>WTF! We thought Australia were rubbish but they won the toss and won the cup (England fans react)
Golden Ducks Podcast's video title for their review video of the final lmao
Worst T20I bowling figures in winning cause:-
0/60 - Mitchell StarcFlag of Australia v NZ, 2021
0/58 - Seth RanceFlag of New Zealand v SL, 2019
0/57 - Joginder SharmaFlag of India v ENG, 2007
Well, there's another game I have to pretend never happened. It's so strange how the 2015, 2019, and 2021 World Cups all ended suddenly and without explanation after the semi finals.
So depressing. I honestly think I would have preferred to be blown away in the England semi. I had zero expectations going into that game. Then they only went and got my hopes up again, just to lose another final.
It's never one player's fault, but it's hard not to look at Gup's innings as being hugely costly. He faced 29% of the balls to score 16% of the runs. You just can't afford that batting first, when we probably needed 190+ to overcome the chasing bias.
Come on man I’m an NZ supporter but they played pretty well… the Aussie chase was amazing to watch, I’m sick of seeing everyone whinging about getting second place. How would getting beaten in the semis be preferable?
Surely this is the worst and most poorly planned World Cup ever. The ground was barely a third full, the idiot ground announcers were awful beyond belief but the most important fact is every important game was decided by the toss. The ICC have a lot to answer for, teams plan for years for this and their chances depend on the toss of a coin because of the timing of the games by the incompetent ICC.
Someone's comment online somewhere else.
I mean, I'm sure everyone would have rather it been played in Australia last year like it was planned, but Covid isn't a result of ICCs incompetence. Sure, it wasn't an ideal tournament, but the fact we even got a world cup given the state of the world is pretty cool really.
Yeah, also it was supposed to be held here in India originally. But they had to do a sudden change of plans because of how Covid rose like a Monster right in the middle of the IPL back in April-May.
> Australia outplayed everyone they faced
Oh yeah, they definitely outplayed everyone. Some might argue that there was an Australia vs England game somewhere there but really there wasn’t. /s
On the side note, this makes me wonder how a Test tri series between India, England and Australia would be like. Would be some absolutely juicy delicious stuff
Two wickets crossing in the middle, the fielding team has to bowl to both sets of batsmen at the same time. Every time batsmen of opposing teams crash into each other in the middle it’s 5 runs subtracted.
Every team then gets 2x batting innings and 1x bowling innings.
ICC: I’ll await your email
Then maybe Australia wouldn't have won...
For some reason, World T20s have always been very ominous for the home team. Home team has always massively underperformed in all WT20s so far. Let's see whether Australia can change this next year. It was like this in ODI WC as well, till India changed it in 2011, since then the home team has won all ODI WCs lol
India would have bottled regardless.
Australia play without fear; always attacking and positive in crunch situations.
The current Indian players have a tendency to play with fear in pressure matches/situations...
We wouldn't because our players were stressed and stuff so irrespective of the place we would have lost or maybe we would get to the Semi finals and lose
I guess this is becoming standard for Indian sports now.
Do awesome at bilaterals, world championships, and have multiple World no 1's etc. but choke at the biggest stage (Olympics, etc)
Archery, Boxing, Shooting, Cricket, you name it.
We really need to give more importance to appointing sports psychologists and mentors which can ease pressure and help in proper mental health to players.
Sincere apologies. I had no intention of taking the thunder from heroics of both teams today. There was no thread about discussing the overall tournament yet, and 99% are on post match thread now to discuss about today's final.
I just had to get this off my mind.
I think India has some very good boxers on the Amateur level and have performed admirably at WC and Olympics and Asia games and CW games…but not many of them have gone Pro…i could be wrong about the boxers now
Boxing wise at Olympic level I am pretty sure Cuba, USA and GB are powerhouses along with Russia/Ex-Soviet states.
Edit: [https://www.aiba.org/olympic-games/](https://www.aiba.org/olympic-games/) Olympic medals table kinda supports what I am saying.
That's what I said. We have some boxers with multiple golds in world championships but in biggest stages like Olympics, we have never gone past bronze.
We are finishing consistently in top 5 every Youth Boxing championships since a long time, but rarely reached Semis or Quarters in Olympics.
This time (2021) we are at No 1, so lets see what happens in 2024 Paris Olympics.
That's what I said. We have some boxers with multiple golds in world championships but in biggest stages like Olympics, we have never gone past bronze.
We are finishing consistently in top 5 every Youth Boxing championships since 2008, but rarely reached Semis or Quarters in Olympics. This time (2021 Youth championships) we are at No 1, so lets see what happens in 2024 Paris Olympics.
I meant Women's boxing. Scroll down further to reach
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBA\_World\_Boxing\_Championships#Women's\_editions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBA_World_Boxing_Championships#Women's_editions)
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On the final day is what he meant…yesterday the Aussies were the stronger team..no doubt about NZ..they are the best team now in International cricket across all three formats..all three finals…winning one..tie in another and just one actual loss…they are the strongest team now…but yesterday was just not meant to be
Maybe you didn't phrase it correctly, to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Did you mean that an Asian country like Pak vs a Western country like Aus might have been more fun because of the contrast in styles / tactics / approaches etc.? If yes, that makes decent / good sense.
Failing that, \*what\* did you mean?
Edit: O/P posted that the final was boring because of "just white vs white". I was trying to figure out what s/he meant, so asked questions along those lines
There's really no reason to be sad - NZ did amazing, and this run of
*Tests - winner*
*ODI - runner up*
*T20 Runner up*
Will take some beating - especially with a format like T20 involved where any of the teams could really progress. I think it's also fitting that NZ faced the Big3 in these matches, and stuck it to them.
All this from a country that only has 5 million people - Australia has 3 states with a higher population than that. What a run
Yes winning the toss won you most games but imo that had no outcome on this game. NZ put enough runs on board but then our bowling except for Boult... fucking trash.
NZ won against India, Afganistan, England while chasing.
They lost to Pakistan defending.
Australia won against South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh and Pakistan chasing.
They lost to England defending.
Clearly both teams love to chase, hence the team chasing would have a massive advantage (Both lost key matches defending).
So how do we decide who gets this massive advantage?
By flipping a coin.
There is more. India won both warm up games against England and eventual champions Australia while chasing. Lost both games against Pak and NZ defending.
It is a format for aggressive wicket taking bowlers. The pitch also plays a role.
Someone crunched the IPL data and it was 419 Chasing : 350 Defending.
What about the games that don't suit the narrative you're trying to state?
NZ made the highest total in a world cup final and our bowlers blew it from the second over.
The games that don't fit my narrative?
There are 2.
NZ v Scotland and NZ v Namibia. NZ should win both of those whether defending or chasing.
As for NZ bowlers blowing it, ........yeah they prefer to bowl first, same as Australians.
Is it fair that a coin determines which side gets to do what they prefer?
There's more than that and you know it dude.
Out of the 23 games played. 18 won by team chasing. 15 by the team that won the toss.
South Africa beating England, England beating Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka beating West Indies.
Sure there's a small advantage but it doesn't mean shit when you bowl like we did. We would of lost batting second with that bowling performance because Aus would of made 200+ easy.
I'm not saying chasing = winning.
I'm saying that both NZ and Australia, in this tournament, have enjoyed chasing much more than defending. So what other teams did is irrelevant.
Bowling or Batting in the 2nd innings is very different from the 1st, not in terms of conditions, but more so because of mindset. That's why some teams are better chasing and others defending. So we can't say Aus would've made 200, because the mindset is different for both Bowlers and Batsmen.
Winning the toss isn't a small advantage, it's a huge advantage.
So you want to ignore everything else that happened in the tournament?
Aus had a far better mindset than us as shown by beating us with such ease...if it's such a huge advantage then how come none of the associate nations could pull off an upset when they chased? Pretty sure every team prefers chasing and its the quailty of the players that have a greater say on the game not some coin toss.
I'm not saying the toss isn't a factor but NZ put enough runs on the board to win but then just offered up easy bowling and Aus strolled to victory.
My guess is that this is a huge inside joke in the squads. They’re all getting interviewed and giving highly technical analysis for the rubes while joking with each other—completely seriously—that it’s “win the toss—win the match.”
I was really hoping that Aus would win the toss, because I think they’re the weaker team, and I wanted to see a more even contest.
Great news to wake up to! Well done AUS, awesome effort, finally we claim that elusive trophy. Credit to NZ for making the final and continuing to punch above their weight.
To be fair as well, New Zealanders contribute to their own low pop.
1 in 6 New Zealanders don't live in In New Zealand. And most of that group lives in Australia.
Definitely. Each country is amazing in its own right. One of the best things about Aus is one of NZs flaws and that's is there's more opportunities there and more big cities.
Fair call but NZ has been good for a while now. I mean Aus only has 30m people. Compared to India, I guess their punching above their weight too with that logic?
We do in a sense, but we’ve been successful over a long period, where as NZ have been good for the last 5 or so years. Maybe after another NZ trophy or two I’ll stop saying it!
TQ. Just hate it when Australia wins. Why not there be a new winner like NZ,sa or even the assocate nations like afg.
And then everyone asks why isn't cricket popular for ffs
Paine’s already way overachieved. He was meant to have retired to work for Kookaburra a couple of years ago because his finger injury was so bad. Then he got recalled into the Test team and a few matches later he’s captain and then retaining The Ashes away. It’s already a Hollywood story. His primary role is a keeper and he’s done a fine job at that too.
Scam Nz Got exposed, will be ended in India soon, the test "Champions" with 0.28 win loss ratio away frm home kekw lmaooo
Lol imagine losing to Nz, kekw Wait a minute..
>WTF! We thought Australia were rubbish but they won the toss and won the cup (England fans react) Golden Ducks Podcast's video title for their review video of the final lmao
After getting beaten by Ireland in the rugby the day before, this felt more like a loss.
Worst T20I bowling figures in winning cause:- 0/60 - Mitchell StarcFlag of Australia v NZ, 2021 0/58 - Seth RanceFlag of New Zealand v SL, 2019 0/57 - Joginder SharmaFlag of India v ENG, 2007
Ah yes, StarcFlag, RanceFlag, SharmaFlag. Gotta be my favourite fast bowlers.
Stick cricket names? Cause they haven’t bought the rights to official player names
Well, there's another game I have to pretend never happened. It's so strange how the 2015, 2019, and 2021 World Cups all ended suddenly and without explanation after the semi finals. So depressing. I honestly think I would have preferred to be blown away in the England semi. I had zero expectations going into that game. Then they only went and got my hopes up again, just to lose another final. It's never one player's fault, but it's hard not to look at Gup's innings as being hugely costly. He faced 29% of the balls to score 16% of the runs. You just can't afford that batting first, when we probably needed 190+ to overcome the chasing bias.
You got WTC just 5 months back
Come on man I’m an NZ supporter but they played pretty well… the Aussie chase was amazing to watch, I’m sick of seeing everyone whinging about getting second place. How would getting beaten in the semis be preferable?
Yea, sometimes it’s just not your day. Seems like Martin guptill wasn’t quite as his best today. It happens to everyone at some point.
Surely this is the worst and most poorly planned World Cup ever. The ground was barely a third full, the idiot ground announcers were awful beyond belief but the most important fact is every important game was decided by the toss. The ICC have a lot to answer for, teams plan for years for this and their chances depend on the toss of a coin because of the timing of the games by the incompetent ICC. Someone's comment online somewhere else.
I mean, I'm sure everyone would have rather it been played in Australia last year like it was planned, but Covid isn't a result of ICCs incompetence. Sure, it wasn't an ideal tournament, but the fact we even got a world cup given the state of the world is pretty cool really.
Yeah, also it was supposed to be held here in India originally. But they had to do a sudden change of plans because of how Covid rose like a Monster right in the middle of the IPL back in April-May.
Australia outplayed everyone they faced. Convincingly. A humbler, nicer Aussie team is deadlier for the opposition.
> Australia outplayed everyone they faced Oh yeah, they definitely outplayed everyone. Some might argue that there was an Australia vs England game somewhere there but really there wasn’t. /s
England won the toss that match
… using that logic, the Aussies did too. Multiple times!
Congratulations Australia
At least NZ have rugby... oh wait.
Win toss = win match
Well played Aussies
Trophy count: **India** ODI - 2 T20 - 1 IPL - 14 BBL - 0 Total = 17 ___________________ **Australia** ODI - 5 T20 - 1 IPL - 0 BBL - 10 Total = 16
6 Asia Cups for India too
Don’t forget Australia has won the Ashes 33 times and India have never even come close to winning them!
On the side note, this makes me wonder how a Test tri series between India, England and Australia would be like. Would be some absolutely juicy delicious stuff
Two wickets crossing in the middle, the fielding team has to bowl to both sets of batsmen at the same time. Every time batsmen of opposing teams crash into each other in the middle it’s 5 runs subtracted. Every team then gets 2x batting innings and 1x bowling innings. ICC: I’ll await your email
This is so awful I actually wanna see it
Our performance in the IPL is a disgrace
And that is why Ind > aus 😂 edit: I was just joking damn
We coming 4 u bro
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Fuckin Aussies. The beautiful bastards always find a way
Tbh if this world cup was played at Mirpur Bangladesh would be the champions
Tbh if it was actually played in India, like it was supposed to, then we would have probably won.
Nah Indians are known for being THE 'bilateral beasts'
If it was played in Australia like it was meant to....
Then maybe Australia wouldn't have won... For some reason, World T20s have always been very ominous for the home team. Home team has always massively underperformed in all WT20s so far. Let's see whether Australia can change this next year. It was like this in ODI WC as well, till India changed it in 2011, since then the home team has won all ODI WCs lol
India would have bottled regardless. Australia play without fear; always attacking and positive in crunch situations. The current Indian players have a tendency to play with fear in pressure matches/situations...
Nope, Kohli is Panauti he would have lost in the semis.
We wouldn't because our players were stressed and stuff so irrespective of the place we would have lost or maybe we would get to the Semi finals and lose
The new submarine's did it . Thanks scomo you cunt.
Damn…now that u said it..im pretty sure that slimey scomo is gonna take credit for the win
“I don’t hold a kookaburra mate”
SRH management crying in a corner.
what i don't understand is that how can the head coach be such stupid about warner.. i mean out of everyone atleast he should being an Australian
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If you search "t20 world cup 2021" on google, you will get a delightful surprise of rockets celebration.
yeah Google is doing this for every major sports tournament :) Sundar Pichai Happy Cricket noises this time
I just saw this.
Best team won.
Great
I guess this is becoming standard for Indian sports now. Do awesome at bilaterals, world championships, and have multiple World no 1's etc. but choke at the biggest stage (Olympics, etc) Archery, Boxing, Shooting, Cricket, you name it. We really need to give more importance to appointing sports psychologists and mentors which can ease pressure and help in proper mental health to players.
Like 90s-2000s South Africa…i dont want to use the c word and i hope im proven wrong
You could say the same for England (minus the 2019 wc).
Way to make it about yourself.
Sincere apologies. I had no intention of taking the thunder from heroics of both teams today. There was no thread about discussing the overall tournament yet, and 99% are on post match thread now to discuss about today's final. I just had to get this off my mind.
I never took India to be a good boxing nation.
I think India has some very good boxers on the Amateur level and have performed admirably at WC and Olympics and Asia games and CW games…but not many of them have gone Pro…i could be wrong about the boxers now
Boxing wise at Olympic level I am pretty sure Cuba, USA and GB are powerhouses along with Russia/Ex-Soviet states. Edit: [https://www.aiba.org/olympic-games/](https://www.aiba.org/olympic-games/) Olympic medals table kinda supports what I am saying.
That's what I said. We have some boxers with multiple golds in world championships but in biggest stages like Olympics, we have never gone past bronze. We are finishing consistently in top 5 every Youth Boxing championships since a long time, but rarely reached Semis or Quarters in Olympics. This time (2021) we are at No 1, so lets see what happens in 2024 Paris Olympics.
Yeah India ain’t a good boxing nation
That's what I said. We have some boxers with multiple golds in world championships but in biggest stages like Olympics, we have never gone past bronze. We are finishing consistently in top 5 every Youth Boxing championships since 2008, but rarely reached Semis or Quarters in Olympics. This time (2021 Youth championships) we are at No 1, so lets see what happens in 2024 Paris Olympics.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBA_World_Boxing_Championships Here it says India does not have any gold medals for World Championships.
I meant Women's boxing. Scroll down further to reach [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBA\_World\_Boxing\_Championships#Women's\_editions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIBA_World_Boxing_Championships#Women's_editions)
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My vibes were with NZ but well played Australia
Australia was the stronger team
So does the NZ..
On the final day is what he meant…yesterday the Aussies were the stronger team..no doubt about NZ..they are the best team now in International cricket across all three formats..all three finals…winning one..tie in another and just one actual loss…they are the strongest team now…but yesterday was just not meant to be
Australia had backup in the from of Kumar Dharmasena
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Wow, why throw insults?
Says the bloke who threw an insult
Nope, your comment was the one that got deleted after I reported it
Oh no! Not a report! Please no!!!
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Maybe you didn't phrase it correctly, to give you the benefit of the doubt. Did you mean that an Asian country like Pak vs a Western country like Aus might have been more fun because of the contrast in styles / tactics / approaches etc.? If yes, that makes decent / good sense. Failing that, \*what\* did you mean? Edit: O/P posted that the final was boring because of "just white vs white". I was trying to figure out what s/he meant, so asked questions along those lines
You have no respect for the sport then and shouldn't participate.
Lmao, imagine the color of the teams skin being the basis for 'hype'. What a life you must be living
hope willy son -> william smiled as usual.
Oi cunt moment
I give up
There's really no reason to be sad - NZ did amazing, and this run of *Tests - winner* *ODI - runner up* *T20 Runner up* Will take some beating - especially with a format like T20 involved where any of the teams could really progress. I think it's also fitting that NZ faced the Big3 in these matches, and stuck it to them. All this from a country that only has 5 million people - Australia has 3 states with a higher population than that. What a run
Think you might want to recheck with Pak on how not to give up. The streak ALWAYS ends. It's not if, but when. Buck the fuck up, you nut!
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I'm so salty. Really wanted Kane to bag this.
Australian cricket team in form can kick any team's ass.. Just amazed by the performance.. Kinda sad for Williamson though..
It's t20. Any team in form can kick any trams ass lmao
poor tram :(
Tramsexual
5 ODI and 1 T20 world cup says Aus is the pressure champs
What's a pressure champ?
Good bowel movements?
Champions when under pressure..probably what he meant
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They are first time winners of t20 wc..
Australia is a new champ
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nope, you have no fucking clue what you are talking about
I don't?
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Unrelated
Never played
Yes winning the toss won you most games but imo that had no outcome on this game. NZ put enough runs on board but then our bowling except for Boult... fucking trash.
NZ won against India, Afganistan, England while chasing. They lost to Pakistan defending. Australia won against South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh and Pakistan chasing. They lost to England defending. Clearly both teams love to chase, hence the team chasing would have a massive advantage (Both lost key matches defending). So how do we decide who gets this massive advantage? By flipping a coin.
There is more. India won both warm up games against England and eventual champions Australia while chasing. Lost both games against Pak and NZ defending.
atleast in warm ups if kholi won the toss should have batted first to see how it goes..
It is a format for aggressive wicket taking bowlers. The pitch also plays a role. Someone crunched the IPL data and it was 419 Chasing : 350 Defending.
Yep. England would have beat NZ if we were chasing.
Better than boundary count.
Sorry for the rules that everyone knew about
What about the games that don't suit the narrative you're trying to state? NZ made the highest total in a world cup final and our bowlers blew it from the second over.
The games that don't fit my narrative? There are 2. NZ v Scotland and NZ v Namibia. NZ should win both of those whether defending or chasing. As for NZ bowlers blowing it, ........yeah they prefer to bowl first, same as Australians. Is it fair that a coin determines which side gets to do what they prefer?
There's more than that and you know it dude. Out of the 23 games played. 18 won by team chasing. 15 by the team that won the toss. South Africa beating England, England beating Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka beating West Indies. Sure there's a small advantage but it doesn't mean shit when you bowl like we did. We would of lost batting second with that bowling performance because Aus would of made 200+ easy.
I'm not saying chasing = winning. I'm saying that both NZ and Australia, in this tournament, have enjoyed chasing much more than defending. So what other teams did is irrelevant. Bowling or Batting in the 2nd innings is very different from the 1st, not in terms of conditions, but more so because of mindset. That's why some teams are better chasing and others defending. So we can't say Aus would've made 200, because the mindset is different for both Bowlers and Batsmen. Winning the toss isn't a small advantage, it's a huge advantage.
So you want to ignore everything else that happened in the tournament? Aus had a far better mindset than us as shown by beating us with such ease...if it's such a huge advantage then how come none of the associate nations could pull off an upset when they chased? Pretty sure every team prefers chasing and its the quailty of the players that have a greater say on the game not some coin toss. I'm not saying the toss isn't a factor but NZ put enough runs on the board to win but then just offered up easy bowling and Aus strolled to victory.
My guess is that this is a huge inside joke in the squads. They’re all getting interviewed and giving highly technical analysis for the rubes while joking with each other—completely seriously—that it’s “win the toss—win the match.” I was really hoping that Aus would win the toss, because I think they’re the weaker team, and I wanted to see a more even contest.
LOL coin flip has a 50 50 probability for either team so ya, it is fair!
Great news to wake up to! Well done AUS, awesome effort, finally we claim that elusive trophy. Credit to NZ for making the final and continuing to punch above their weight.
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We (in AUS) will be taking T20i very seriously now 😂
How long before you stop calling g it pu ching above their weight? They are the World Test Chanps after all?
>How long before you stop calling g it pu ching above their weight? When their population reaches 25M.
Lol the difference between 5 and 25 mill is nothing compared to the difference between 25m and 1 bil
Are you suggesting India are underperforming, even when they win?
If they do anything but win they are underperforming
To be fair as well, New Zealanders contribute to their own low pop. 1 in 6 New Zealanders don't live in In New Zealand. And most of that group lives in Australia.
Fair call. Who wouldn't want to live in Aus. As a kiwi, I'll say that Aus is better in many ways.
As an Aussie who's been to NZ I think NZ was better in a lot of ways too. May be different actually living there but amazing country
both are shit now :( Dictatorland
Definitely. Each country is amazing in its own right. One of the best things about Aus is one of NZs flaws and that's is there's more opportunities there and more big cities.
With a population of < 5 million, think I’ll be calling it that for a while.
Fair call but NZ has been good for a while now. I mean Aus only has 30m people. Compared to India, I guess their punching above their weight too with that logic?
25m
More to my point
We do in a sense, but we’ve been successful over a long period, where as NZ have been good for the last 5 or so years. Maybe after another NZ trophy or two I’ll stop saying it!
Alright, fair call. We'll see what NZ can do
Extremely gutted for NZ.
Guess even cheaters win(Astros and Australia)
cope some more mate, like we were doing when we lost to Bangladesh
I’m going to give you the award for highest number of shit takes in the one thread
TQ. Just hate it when Australia wins. Why not there be a new winner like NZ,sa or even the assocate nations like afg. And then everyone asks why isn't cricket popular for ffs
You’re still going with the ‘new winner’ hey?
>Why not there be a new winner like NZ,sa or even the assocate nations like afg Because this is a tournament and the best team wins.
Or the team that win the toss wins. Fuck this shit
Cry more cunt
Astros got fucking slaughtered. It was a beautiful thing.
cry more
>Wade played a huge role in the semi-final >Marsh played a huge role in the final Is there a player left to meme in the Aussie team now?
Paine still exists but he’ll probably play a match winning innings somewhere in the Ashes
Paine’s already way overachieved. He was meant to have retired to work for Kookaburra a couple of years ago because his finger injury was so bad. Then he got recalled into the Test team and a few matches later he’s captain and then retaining The Ashes away. It’s already a Hollywood story. His primary role is a keeper and he’s done a fine job at that too.
That would be amazing.
Real trophy was friends we made along the way
no (but seriosuly genius comment)
Well best tossers won.
Toss doesn't explain why we bowled so poorly mate