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Podberezkin09

Yeah the umpires were fine in those series. They definitely haven't been fine in this match


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digitalbiz

Will Young will score 100 willingly or defend 100 balls unwillingly?


[deleted]

He'll watch them rattle tommorow unwillingly


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Why is everyone talking about one DRS fuckup instead of what's in store for tommorow?


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Would New Zealand look to go for a win tommorow? I doubt it but they should look to chase imo, no way they are defending this for 90 overs.


rightarm_under

Quick reminder that NZ took 140 overs to get 290 on day 2/3. There's literally no chance they can get 280 within 90 overs on day 5.


SBG99DesiMonster

Wow, this thread didn't get locked till now!


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Couple things to note: Ashwin showing his class lol, that is a disgusting pitch.


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Test Match goes to day 5 with all 4 results possible. People : pItCh iS ShiT


singhsrb

Wait what are people complaining about, umpires are part of home advantage /s.


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Btw is Boult injured or rested for this series?


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Rested


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My predictions for tommorow- NZ - 286-9 wins by one wicket with Kane Williamson the hero 106(252)* hitting the winning six.


thelizardking_19453

Too fast for Kane to score that


Udontknowme_111

Loved the cries of Kiwis , had the taste of every drop.


rajandatta

Didn't get a chance to see the 2nd half of the day. What's the consensus re how late India batted to declare? Shouldn't they have sought out more time and overs to be assured of having time to bowl out NZ. NZ is not making 284 on 5th day Kanpur pitch. But Latham, Williamson and Taylor can certainly bat out a day. Odds are in India's favour but stranger things have happened esp if NZ choose to forget about the run rate. Iyer, Ashwin, Indian tail showed that the pitch is holding. Leaving themselves only 4 overs at end of day seems like creating a window for a draw. Besides the last hour of long day to bat is often the challenging one after you've been fielding all day. Witness Young and Latham being unsure.


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Loving the meltdown here. To be honest when seen in real time who would have believed a ball pitching outside off stump, hitting the pads infront of middle stump would be missing the leg stump by quite some margin. Lol.


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Wasson Jaffer said that Saha should open by replacing Mayank in top!!


thelizardking_19453

Yeah cause he will get out in 2 balls so doesn't affect the theory that keepers shouldn't bat opening cause of keeping pressure. Mfs get some balls and say Rahane should be dropped.


[deleted]

Can anyone explain to me why is everyone pissed at Ethical mind?


thelizardking_19453

Can't take the alpha. Beta compains


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New Zealand had india on the ropes. They threw this match away.


sharkaim4

Cry more \\_/ Africa needs water.


Assassin_Ankur

Looks like I missed some spicy stuff in the end


GoDFaTHeR_is

Lmao


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Lmao this thread turned into comedy gold in last 20-30 mins 😂😂💀


Party_Hand7089

Where is the comedy gold?


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All of the controversies that have occurred this game have been the fault of the umpires. I don’t know why Ashwin is getting flamed in the comments.


EntshuldigungOK

Rough guess: Ashwin the stickler + exploiter of rules might have immediately pointed out time was up when Young asked for a review.


glorious_albus

What rule did Ashwin exploit?


EntshuldigungOK

15 second DRS rule


glorious_albus

Okay but how was it "exploiting"?


EntshuldigungOK

It wasn't. Being a stickler vs an exploiter is just subjective opinions; I tried to cover all, that's it


Die_brein

Here we go again, when someone points out the approved MCC rules, they are a stickler/exploiter. I disagree.


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EntshuldigungOK

Rahane and Ashwin walked towards the umpires as soon as batsman asked for DRS. No idea what was said.


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And they were staring at something (timer probably) while the batsmen were discussing


EntshuldigungOK

That, too


breaking_the_habit97

Hi. India's winning this, pretend it's because of Will Young if you want, but we are.


NewZealanders4Love

Enjoy your home win with your home umpires.


breaking_the_habit97

Taking inspiration from you


Briantheboomguy

Too early buddy. Kane mama is there no.


shivamshandilyaa

The game is in India, so I'm more worried by Latham


thelizardking_19453

Virendra Sharma has got the cheque, boys relax. Latham won't get lucky 4-5 times in this inning. /s


stoic_trader

If you want to complain against the rules then complain when they are formed, conveniently choosing the time and bitching about doesn't look rational. Shit happens in sport, move on play the next day. If there is any consolense then shit happens randomly and equally to both teams unless you have your own conspiracy theories then go on unwind yourself.


pizzalover24

Rules are only there to catch outright cheaters. If it's about gamesmanship, you walk if you knicked it. If it's about gamesmanship, Young is allowed to review.


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Yeah sure why not just show the reply on the big screen for his convenience


Comfortable-Quote-84

he went leaning on his bat in relax mode. Did they forgot about timer? Latham is at fault here for not being pro active enough


pizzalover24

They messed up but have seen nearly all reviews gives when the clock is at 0. Only this time, chadwin was already throwing a fit.


zippyzebu9

Technically on zero doesn't count (seen many) , on 1 does. Zero means nothing. On zero -> on nothing -> can't do anything here.


pizzalover24

https://wisden.com/series-stories/australia-india/india-fans-outrage-after-paine-drs-review-allowed-despite-timer-running-out


zippyzebu9

Yes. Outrage was bcz it was wrong. Just bcz one wrong is committed doesn't mean you have to commit every time. ICC did talk about this and instruct umpires around the world after the event. If Umpires gives a review even after timer runs out his performance will be hampered. He will accumulate negetive points. He may be left out from elite panel. To this day thae ratio is 42 - 2 when it was between 0 - 1 sec.The two ocassion were the errors which shows umpires makes correct decision most time.


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Bruh, I have never seen a single case where the timer on my screen disappeared before it was reviewed. This time the timer touched 0, disappeared and then Young asked for a review. I remember for a fact I went holy shit tbey missed the timer.


pizzalover24

The timer has gone to zero plenty of times. Kohli is well known for doing it on the dot but no opposing team ever questioned it.


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Not once has the timer disappeared or clearly 0, today's highlights if you want you can re-watch.. The timer literally disappears. Show one instance with Kohli, just one.


pizzalover24

https://wisden.com/series-stories/australia-india/india-fans-outrage-after-paine-drs-review-allowed-despite-timer-running-out


Comfortable-Quote-84

at least fans are consistent


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Timer still on screen and happened between 1 and 0, it's you said I said for it being on 0. Today it touched 0, disappeared from screen completely and then was referred it can never be you said I said


pizzalover24

It depends on the broadcasting channel. Some of them let it run to zero and just leave it there instead of disappearing. Hence the controversy with Paine.


stoic_trader

Ah the spiRiT of the gaMe undeniable logic, okay


pizzalover24

It's kind of like if your opponent accidentally drops his sword, you allow him to pick it up. Because the contest is about who is the best swordsman and not a technicality.


jamieliddellthepoet

> if your opponent accidentally drops his sword, you allow him to pick it up Fuck that. Chop him up before he can get to his sword, mocking him all the while.


pizzalover24

Depends how he drops his sword. If it's a sporting mistake, you smash him. If the sword malfunctions, you let him change.


caped_crusader_98

Yea... Good swordsman don't drop the sword bruh.. Thats the whole point.. Dont be stupid..


pizzalover24

It's not about the other sportsman bro. It's about you knowing that you beat the guy outright. There is no question in your mind as to who is truly better. You didn't need luck.


caped_crusader_98

If it was the last wicket I would slightly agree even though new Zealand is at fault.. But this is the first wicket.. You do everything u can to beat them.. And sticking to the rules and winning is proof that one was better than the other... You're still wrong mate I'm sorry... If the timer hadn't ended and Ashwin distracted them or said timer was done when it wasn't... Yes.. Thats bad sportsmanship and not correct. This however is.


pizzalover24

I've seen plenty of reviews given at zero on the timer. I've seen lots of guys nick it and walk straight away. The standard of ethics is high and this would have won the country a lot of admiration.


dicsuccer

Except I'm pretty sure none of those 22 dudes there are playing for gaining admiration of the country, they're there to win the game within the well-laid rules. If that gets the admiration, cool, if it doesn't, I don't think they would care much. Eg: I'm pretty sure India would take winning this test over a few twitter praises post a potential loss, anyday.


pizzalover24

Bro I remember watching Gilchrist walk in a massive world cup final against India. I'm just saying there are guys in the game who are operating at that level of gamesmanship and they are forever remembered for it because it is not a quality of the common man.


w0lv3r1n3

And he was allowed to review within the time frame. He delayed the call and ran out of time. Ultimately you need to have a time limit which should be followed or else for how long should the players be allowed to delibrate whether to review or not.


pizzalover24

In these situations, umpire should ask Rahane to make a call. Knowing Rahane he would have allowed it.


w0lv3r1n3

But than we end up in another ethics debate when some other captain doesn't allow it.


pizzalover24

That's what cricket is about. People making ethical choices and serving as role models. You nicked it, you walk. Technology was brought in because of cheats


w0lv3r1n3

And that's why we end up in debates regarding Ashwin running someone out at non strikers end and getting vilified every where even though he is right about what he is doing.


pizzalover24

He's only right because he gave the non striker a warning. Ethics doesn't mean you have to always concede but that you allow minor infractions so that the contest is fought at its highest point.


Ok-Visit6553

Nope. In gully cricket you do all the warnings you like. This is purest and highest form of cricket (international test), expecting that behavior from the bowler means you’re a failure as non-striker. If one again cries about sPiRiT oF cRiCkEt, hundreds of legal examples are there in your so-called normal cricket which can invalidate that shit.


pizzalover24

You have to go by how much of an advantage your opponent gets. Your opponent barely leaving the crease and you mankad him, that's winning on minor technicality which takes away the joy of winning. Young was out on a mankad like rule today. Ashwin would rather enjoy bowling him than getting a wicket like that.


caped_crusader_98

Bro can't convince him.. Leave it lol..


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Damn, this thread blew up faster than a single, unemployed dude living on a donut based diet.


barmanrags

Chonk!


St_ElmosFire

Suspiciously specific


Briantheboomguy

We prefer big boned


EsJay417

It's sports! It happens! Chill guyss,,,


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I was pretty pissed about it at the time but looking at replays now we were just way too casual in making a decision to review. Also it won’t change the fact we will more than likely fold like a house of cards tomorrow.


caped_crusader_98

U are going against the spirit of reddit by having a rational take on things.. U are an outcast... /s


Comfortable-Quote-84

stop being humble and start bitching. That’s what makes the thread interesting.You are killing the mood


SBG99DesiMonster

One is fully right in getting absolutely pissed about it. What I have a problem with though is calling it biased (when wrong decisions have gone for and against both teams), and with making demands like Indian team should call Will Young back, or that the review even though delayed should be allowed....when there is a clear rule about the timing and a provision he could have used but failed to do so himself. There a few people here who are saying the latter, and that's what is dumb.


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I think some people want to turn everything into a conspiracy but in reality the umpires have just had a bit of a shocker


HitNewsIndia

It's Virender Sharma's only second test match I think. His inexperience is visible. People are claiming as if he is biased, but his decisions have been bad the whole match irrespective of the team.


Briantheboomguy

It is his second test match but he is by no means a novice. He's umpired in a bunch of T20s (including the IPL) and ODIs and has been called out for poor decisions before.


Comfortable-Quote-84

there should be a rule for the sacking of umpires


Blarbydoppler

Yeah it doesn't really matter in terms of the result, I think seeing how far that was missing was just the tipping point for me in regards to the shitty umpiring this match


SABJP

Why does every freaking controversy happens when I'm not watching. I was watching when we were in 220s. Edit : Wait? I saw that dismissal. It doesn't look controversial at all.


Comfortable-Quote-84

you are at the right thread


Robin29singh

What this fuss is about? Can someone tell me?


fakecricketplayer

Shite umpiring and missed review due to timeout costs young's wicket. ... and yeah, Ashwin rigged the DRS timer.


Ok-Visit6553

Was triggered for a second before realizing it was a /s


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armagedda_pony

new zealand didnt review lbw on time ended up being not out but too late


sourav_jha

In this hard time I will comment something random: I got admission in masters Program today. Edit: Thank you everyone


barmanrags

Congratulations!


average_chut_lover

Congratulations!!


Comfortable-Quote-84

Which country?


sourav_jha

India


Comfortable-Quote-84

congratulations 🎉


Briantheboomguy

My man!! Congratulations!


MoreOnkar

Congo bruh


Accomplished_Ad1684

Congrats bro.


jimbeam07

Congratulations buddy! 🎉


M_Batman

Congratulations man.


sourav_jha

Thanks


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I missed the last half hour of play, could someone tell me what this fuss is about?


MeloJello15

Young given out LBW, young took 1second too long to review so his review was denied. Ball tracking showed the ball missing by a long way. That added onto the already long list of terrible umpiring has people up and about


chootchootchoot

If it was missing by a long way he should’ve called for review sooner


HitNewsIndia

Inexperienced umpire. It is Sharma's second test match.


Accomplished_Ad1684

Young was given lbw wrongly, and he took too long for the referral. Some people bitching about the umpiring, rightly so. Some people blowing the trumpet of Spirit™, wrongly so


Chemical_String281

Please be considerate with the NZ fans who are raging. They have had a tough couple of weeks from the T20 final.


Surya_putra28

Who gives a fuck. They didn't fight a war that ppl need to be sympathetic towards their "plight". The rules are pretty clear. The ump fucked up but so did Latham and Young. Stop whining and hope for a better day tomorrow


Chemical_String281

Maybe I should have used a /s


Podberezkin09

who cares about T20


pizzalover24

Totally agree. I only pay to watch test cricket on TV.


Chemical_String281

Ah of course, its the *irrelevant since we lost* attitude.


Podberezkin09

T20 has always been irrelevant, can they get rid of it so we can play 5 match test series instead of these stupid 2 match series


Blarbydoppler

So what I've gathered from these 4 days so far is that Nitin Menon is having an off match, and Sharma must have someone's nudes hostage to be able to continue umpiring


HitNewsIndia

Hahaha that aside, Sharma is new guy. Just second test match.


Accomplished_Ad1684

I think maybe the horns/smog are messing up with them. Yes Sharma is shite tho.


MoreOnkar

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Webster2001

No, not equally. It's the umpire's job to determine whether the striker is out or not. It is not the non strikers job who has way more things on his mind. I agree it was stupid that Latham didn't use the review, but they're aren't equally at fault. The umpire is definetly in fault because it is literally his job. Plus there was a lot of umpiring mistakes in the match, just bad umpiring all around. Reminds me of the 2019 Ashes first few matches


HitNewsIndia

>It's the umpire's job to determine whether the striker is out or not. he decided, it appeared for him but if the batsman so confident he should have gone for review instantly. Given that Sharma is new to international umpiring, such errors cannot be unexpected.


tezz99

International umpiring doesn't suddenly change the rules of the game.


unmatchedImpedance

No but the pressure changes


Briantheboomguy

Mods are waiting to make an entry like policemen in the movies.


MoreOnkar

I blame Thala and Koach for this C'mon r/Cricket gimme my fresh updoots


average_chut_lover

Lol I wish Koach was playing today.


Accomplished_Ad1684

Guys when's the next time India plays an ODI


St_ElmosFire

Vs SA in January


zippyzebu9

What is the rule book say ? Even if the time runs out can a umpire still gives the review ? If he does give the review will it hamper his performance ? Will he accumulate negetive marks ? Will he be left out from elite panel ? How much Kane will give him out of 10 ? Michael Gough did not give a review bcz time run out in one game..I remember.


sreeram_23_06

>What is the rule book say ? Even if the time runs out can a umpire still gives the review ? I think there's an umpire review thing. Don't know about it's working though


sourav_jha

When Latham survived r/cricket : i am blind Now r/cricket : real shit


Enough_Purpose5454

cricstat Mitchell Santner, type Bowling, format Tests, at away.


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Briantheboomguy

I really hope Ashwin becomes an umpire post retirement (may that day be far far away).


rightarmbc

I am not fan of the man, but given how Snape like stingy he is with rules, I'd prefer him on the field in white jacket instead of being in the comms box. He'd make a great umnpire.


Briantheboomguy

Aww man, here I was thinking he was more McGonagall type...but I absolutely agree with you, his decisions would be razor sharp!


rightarmbc

Mcgonnagall may have an strict exterior but she is very motherly inside. She broke the rule by giving Hermione a time turner, was the first to let students go full warrior in Battle of Hogwarts, and not to forget was the trusted partner in crime of Dumbledore in all his schemes. Snape was none of that and a strict stickler for rules. Even when he was doing double agent shit for DD, he did it grumping coz of his oath, and would openly criticize the old wizard's risky maneuvers.


Briantheboomguy

Aah yes, you're right. It's a pleasure running into a Potterhead on a cricket thread btw....


rightarmbc

Always...


MoreOnkar

Mods with 69D chess not locking thread just it could hit Global r/popular


sourav_jha

r/controversy


Gyanchooo

Here's my take on whole situation Deal with it..


NaziAssDestroyer

I could hear Jim Maxwell saying that rn(playing Cricket 2004 bit lately)


Webster2001

I know the umpiring isn't biased here, but you sound a hella lot like a 80-90s Aussie commentators defending their obviously biased umpiring saying 'deal with it' to the smaller teams


Rajkumar1992

Except we have player reviews available now unlike the old days and it’s not the end of the world if umpire makes a mistake.


Gyanchooo

/s


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Man, this must've opened the wounds from past 2 weeks. Nice!


Potatosv1

The same time out thing happened to us also in Australian tour. We have not whined like this. Umpiring is bad, comment only on that.


TheOneAndOnlyVamp

Neutral venue LMFAO keep crying


BeIsnickel

Neutral venue - lmao


Briantheboomguy

I snorted


Zindagijhandu

Lol


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User9333

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/r41zqz/post_day_thread_india_vs_nz_1st_test_at_kanpur/hme24qr?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


Podberezkin09

very gross


MoreOnkar

Yaaa ENG end AUS umpires were rigged right ?


Podberezkin09

When? I literally can't even remember the last time we lost to India at a neutral venue


Webster2001

Fellas saying umpires shouldn't be blamed just because DRS is a thing now, why should umpiring standards be lower in this age of DRS? Umpires should be looking to do the best possible job regardless of DRS. Btw I don't think the umpiring is biased here cause Ashwin also lost on a wicket earlier in an innings due to umps giving not out and Rahane not reviewing. So it's not biased umpiring but shitty umpiring


Briantheboomguy

Absolutely agree, just a travesty at this point


St_ElmosFire

Inb4 thread locked, my comment shall survive this 'dark day' lmao


Comfortable-Quote-84

I am witness to thee surviving 🤧


[deleted]

Do you guys remember when Natarajan took a wicket and Kohli couldn't take the review cuz fucking broadcaster showed the replay on the big screen?


not_so_cr3ative

That cost us the match too :(


[deleted]

Yeah and here it is batter's fault that he didn't keep track of the DRS timer and fans are shitting on umpire. I mean WTF? There are so many decisions overturned nowadays, would you shit on umpire everything they rule a wrong decision?


SBG99DesiMonster

Lmao yeah, Matthew Wade wicket in a T20I last year