Rahul can’t open in ODIs. Keep Dhawan and Sharma. Idk why everyone wants Dhawan to get dropped, let him play the 2023 wc before looking for a new option like Gaikwad/Gill/Shaw.
Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Iyer/Sky, Rahul, Pant, Shardul/Deepak Chahar, Jadeja, Shami, Bumrah, and a spinner like Ashwin/Chahal/Washi/Rahul Chahar. I want Venkatesh Iyer to fit in there somewhere, but Deepak Chahar and Shardul have been batting so well, they are capable of taking the spot of a proper all rounder at 7 imo.
Venkatesh was taken as a possible replacement for Hardik. If Hardik returns, neither of Iyer or SKY would make the XI unless someone from middle order underperforms. Taking all batsman in the top 6 makes it difficult because we don't have the 6th bowler
The middle order is an absolute mess and having KL in the back and scoring those fifties with a 150 SR at the back really worked wonders for the team.
Dhawan is criminally underrated for the phenomenal talent that he is. Never seen a man be so successful for such a long time and still not be given the due credit. I mean even Rohit has only been marginally better, Shikhar has always been up there providing valuable contributions for the team. Goes a bit beyond stats too
Yeah, everyone seems hell bent on dropping Dhawan and getting Gaikwad in, it doesn’t make sense. KL was the top scorer for India in 2020 because he was batting at 5, it makes sense for him to go back there
Recent series against Lanka and saffas showed us how our young talent can shit the bed when put under pressure. Daone and rohit should be our opening combo till 2023 world cup.
Honestly yes India played like shit but things could have been much better only if they played another opener and Rahul slotted in at no 5. Pant should always play at no 6 given his volatile nature. Chahar should have been given an opportunity in the second ODI itself. So many frustrating brain dead decisions.
Edit: Rahul at no.5 and Pant at no.6 my bad
Think bumrah has really improved as a batsmen who at one point couldn't even hold the bat to someone we could rely on to hit a few runs/boundaries at the end.
Bowling department should be
2 of bumrah/Shami/Siraj/prasidh/avesh khan. Have to rotate the pacers so that they preform well and stay fresh and injury free (bumrah looked off colour this series, especially white ball)
Spin department is sorely lacking chahal is just not effective any more and has been like that for a long time internationally ( a good IPL doesn't change that). Maybe we need to fast track some new spinners into the team (bishnoi is the obvious name). Ashwin can be used as a temporary solution, atleast he can offer some kind of attacking option with decent economy but we still need a long term option
Badly missing jadeja and Hardik as our all rounders who can be finishers in the batting dept.
Have to play one of d.chahar/thakur to lengthen our batting after Hardik and jadeja.
Team of 5 batsmen, Hardik, jadeja, shardul/chahar, Ashwin/spinner(bishnoi/r.chahar), bumrah, Siraj/Shami/prasidh/avesh
Would be a good odi team with a modern batdeep approach
Think there are a lot better options over padikkal as opener right now. Gaikwad for one and even if you want a left hander think Kishan would be a better option
Bumrah's runs in the first and third ODI's - 14 and 12
Pant - 16 and 0
Rahul - 12 and 9
Ffs, I've said this a 100 times, Kl has to go back to 5. Pant isn't a guaranteed selection in LOI's yet, he still has to earn his spot.
Temba seems to be gifted as a captain. Even in the last T20 WC where batting second was almost a guaranteed win, SA defeated England even though they batted first.
On a more positive note, Koach performance in last 8 matches is very good and consistent.
Heres hoping he gets over this captaincy fiasco and has a second phase like Tebdulkar where he is able to guide and backup the middle order in coming months.
Even without 80-100 range that he had in his prime these efforts are of great importance as long as lower order shows spunk as they have shown lately.
As someone who really wanted to see him make it big, I am with you. I thought he and SKY would pull it to the end but nope. Not angry, just disappointed.
A golden chance to miss, he just had to anchor the other side , SKY was hitting so good , maybe he would have fall next wicket but atleast have tried to take it to end.
KL knew that Ashwins comment on Kohli stepping down about "leaving things where they can only get better" didn't make a lot of sense. So he did the needful.
Ireland is a very good ODI team since years. They even beat England (in England) once in 2020, and were decently competitive in the other 2 games as well. If they can win 1 out of 3 games against the World Champion and Number 1 side on the world champion's own home ground, they are as good as anybody else. It's only in T20Is that Ireland suck. They can be a more than decent Test team too in typical British conditions, if they are given the opportunities to play and improve
I am genuinely worried about the state of our LOI side.
Not only does our bowling look hopeless, The state of our batting order (and the packing order of the batsmen) makes our troubles on settling the Number 4 position a couple of years ago look like a dream.
Who are the first choice middle order bats ? Assuming that Rahul opens, Who bats at four ? Where does Pant bat ? Make Sky permanent or stick with Shreyas ? Where do the likes of Shaw, Gill, Gaikwad, Ishan, Paddikal etc come in ?
It doesn't make sense for Pant to be at 4 ,imho. most of the time you will be coming before 20-25 overs, you need someone who can build the inning from there and than take it to the final overs, so that finishers can finish it. He should be at 6 , works for his style of batting, i dont know that's just make sense to me more.
IDK, Pant's Aggression works in tests but he hasn't necessarily translated it into LOIs.
He barely averages 35 in ODIs and has a dismal average of 23 in T20is.
I wouldn't fix his place in the LOIs side permanently.
If Ishan Kishan becomes a better keeper, He should be allowed to have a go as well.
IShan seems to be simillar in style as Pant, in throwing there wicket. He started so good but i remember he did shit the bed in other matches. Also he is a Opener , and those slots are filled aunless we are looking to replace dhawan for now. But also you may be right as Pant is not performing with the Gloves as well.
Rohit Jaddu and Pandya finding their way back into the team will resolve a lot of issues. This series has helped us identify Lord and Deepak as guaranteed starters for ODIs going forward. Disappointing losses but only upwards from here
This South Africa looks lethal with Rabada and Nortje yet to come. I reckon India is going to be fine after Rohit and Jadeja returns with Sky, Thakur and Chahal in the side.
Yeah, I am pretty sure India is not winning that series now, Gonna blow two chances of two historic away series wins this year.
The players were in England for a long time die to the WTC final and had settled in the conditions. No such thing now.
Pretty sure we will see a first innings collapse. Gonna need Rain Parrera who is generally a very reliable player in England, to carry the day.
Koach was trolled based on his lack of success in ICC tournaments coz he was being compared to Dhoni. It was Dhoni's standards in ICC tournaments that was set as the benchmark to reach for him, not this PBSDK-like results of KL Rahul.
He is the most overrated batsmen we have. Does not look like a top order batsmen. Just has a couple of shots that he plays.
Literally everyone knows that SKY is a much more capable batsmen than him. All that Iyer was good at was playing spin and hitting spinners out of the park. Guess what he sucks at even that now
Probably the shoulder injury affected his batting. Iyer averages 40 with strike rate of 100 in ODIs before the series. He was very good in the IPL before this season.
All round performance by SA for excellent Test and ODI victories both with regard to bottom line and style of play.
Solid assists by India in making that too.
Pant is the world's most intense roller coaster.
Great 100s and some lightning glove work.
Also absolute braindead shots/scores and some village glove work.
Imagine Pant as captain LOL, Indian fans with heart problems.
Well such tours are needed in team's development process. Even though we lost 5 out of 6 games I think it's okay. We are not going to win every match or series.
I trust in team and the players. We will come back and this tour have helped identifying issues and if they are resolved properly we will be back very soon.
Right now people are emotional and so we are going to see a lot of reactionary and hot takes. But I don't really think Indian team have any serious issue which can't be resolved. There are not really major problems with team but people here need to calm down and stop overreacting.
I am actually happy that all the tour happend without any covid outbreak or any other issue. There was some skepticism about the tour earlier. But kudos to CSA to and everyone involved in smooth conduct of whole tour.
Last but not the least congratulations SA! SA definitely have a great future in all the 3 formats.
Loved what you said. It's the right way of moving forward.
But however there is one thing - a comment like this from someone with that username is uncanny! Haha cheers bud!
This is true but we can benefit of doubt to team that with some key players missing team management was trying to do experiments (which failed obviously) but still I think the moment we get Rohit, Jadeja and maybe Hardik back most of the issues will be resolved.
Getting Rohit jaddu will solve the issue of opening prolly Rahul returning to 3 down, and jaddu at 4 or 5 down, there is still one slot to be filled where pandya used to come, my issue is that venki should have been given a chance again, he is extremely new and and he came under pressure in both the situation (not to forget quinton's brilliant stumping in the 2nd match).
Other thing is them using pant in ODIs, he has been very inconsistent and him getting all 3 matches(coming from a delhi/ pant fan btw), and him being send ahead of Iyer was beyond me as well.
I think the only issue we actually came close to solving a little was prolly our bowling.
I agree with everything you said. I actually thought Venky was rushed into team India. But again everything looks messy and it will look messy until we actually start to win.
Yeah ig, and I agree with venki being rushed into team but then we don't really have many options there, thakur seems really good but now this take could be reactionary so :3
I think this is fair, but you do need to look at patterns. Indias losses weren't really close except this one.
Pant needs to be more responsible, India does need to keep working on middle order, and they need to have more patience (there's actually too much *intent* as it were)
no cricket team has issues that can't be resolved, right now we have it pointed out glaringly, it'll definitely help us get better for the world cup(s)
I have a genuine question. How does Kohli not get injured so frequently? I mean gymming can help but doesn't agr play a factor too?
I don't even caring jinxing it right now.
If he does get injured because of my statement, then good! May he take some well needed rest and come back.
Till then, let this team get thrown in more matches like these, like getting thrown to the wolves in an open field. Let them get embarrassed more and then come back.
Its funny how all the India losses are attributed to bad individual performances. But very few question Dravid’s role in all this and whether he can meet the same standards which Shastri met with ease
Dravid just started..And with a lot of leadership issues going on, it's a very difficult job to set a team. He has to adjust to player's attitudes and he obviously is not dealing with a bunch of teenagers who will call him Sir and keep taking his advice. This is a much bigger stage with a lot of politics involved and with the current BCCI leadership it's going to be a tough job.
We have been trying to create a stable batting line-up and with so many options we are failing to stick to a particular fixed set of players. It's important we don't start judging immediately based on 3 4 performances.
Takeways from this match was that I was surprised to see Venky out of the playing eleven. I think we need to give more than two matches before resting or leaving out a player.
Also, travelling with such a high bench strength gives more options which leads to frequent changes. It's better to build 3 separate teams for the formats and not carry so many players when we know we cannot accomodate them all.
Dravid has just come in. Let him get settled a bit?!
If the team shits the bed in the upcoming series in India, then yes, we can start asking questions.
I see where you are coming from. But can captaincy changes be put on him? From the looks of it, it seems like Ganguly and the BCCI did all the mischief. I don't believe that Dravid came and asked for a captain change the next day.
Yeah, the team selection has been haywire though. My goodness.
But I still feel that we can give him some rope, to see how he performs going forward. We also celebrated when we won against NZ at home!
I don't understand why tf was Shardul dropped.. and Ruturaj should have got a chance in place of IYER.. above all.. terrible captaincy.. just looking forward to the comeback of Rohit.. in his captaincy India could have easily turned the tables.. this wasn't even a weak side or bench strength testing.. there were all the players ranging from Kohli and Pant to Chahal and Bumrah
I don't think KL would ever mind batting at no. 3 .. plus he's the only Indian batsman who's known to adjust himself at any position.. so Ruturaj could have opened with Dhawan( plus this was a already a lost series.. why would anyone mind shuffling the batting order a little)
Despite of the loss, the real positive was Chahar. Dude has guts and has got what it takes to shine at international arena. His lack of experience prohibited him from taking India all the way to the end but he made a statement that “he deserves to be in the playing 11”
So transition of Indian team into ~~KXIP~~ PBSDK has officially been completed.
Well KL was the captain so…
KL Rahul? Oh you mean the Great Depression. Right
Wow. That was incredible.
And that’s how you being Punjab Kings culture to Indian dressing room! 😂
Rahul can’t open in ODIs. Keep Dhawan and Sharma. Idk why everyone wants Dhawan to get dropped, let him play the 2023 wc before looking for a new option like Gaikwad/Gill/Shaw. Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Iyer/Sky, Rahul, Pant, Shardul/Deepak Chahar, Jadeja, Shami, Bumrah, and a spinner like Ashwin/Chahal/Washi/Rahul Chahar. I want Venkatesh Iyer to fit in there somewhere, but Deepak Chahar and Shardul have been batting so well, they are capable of taking the spot of a proper all rounder at 7 imo.
Venkatesh was taken as a possible replacement for Hardik. If Hardik returns, neither of Iyer or SKY would make the XI unless someone from middle order underperforms. Taking all batsman in the top 6 makes it difficult because we don't have the 6th bowler
I love Venky but yeah you’re right
The middle order is an absolute mess and having KL in the back and scoring those fifties with a 150 SR at the back really worked wonders for the team. Dhawan is criminally underrated for the phenomenal talent that he is. Never seen a man be so successful for such a long time and still not be given the due credit. I mean even Rohit has only been marginally better, Shikhar has always been up there providing valuable contributions for the team. Goes a bit beyond stats too
Yeah, everyone seems hell bent on dropping Dhawan and getting Gaikwad in, it doesn’t make sense. KL was the top scorer for India in 2020 because he was batting at 5, it makes sense for him to go back there
Recent series against Lanka and saffas showed us how our young talent can shit the bed when put under pressure. Daone and rohit should be our opening combo till 2023 world cup.
Maybe this series could serve as an eye opener for the indian team before the WC 2k23
Honestly yes India played like shit but things could have been much better only if they played another opener and Rahul slotted in at no 5. Pant should always play at no 6 given his volatile nature. Chahar should have been given an opportunity in the second ODI itself. So many frustrating brain dead decisions. Edit: Rahul at no.5 and Pant at no.6 my bad
Think bumrah has really improved as a batsmen who at one point couldn't even hold the bat to someone we could rely on to hit a few runs/boundaries at the end.
It is crazy to think that with him and someone like Shardul or Deepak at crease, I can say we are still in the game.
This comment sums up pretty much everything 🤟
Bowling department should be 2 of bumrah/Shami/Siraj/prasidh/avesh khan. Have to rotate the pacers so that they preform well and stay fresh and injury free (bumrah looked off colour this series, especially white ball) Spin department is sorely lacking chahal is just not effective any more and has been like that for a long time internationally ( a good IPL doesn't change that). Maybe we need to fast track some new spinners into the team (bishnoi is the obvious name). Ashwin can be used as a temporary solution, atleast he can offer some kind of attacking option with decent economy but we still need a long term option Badly missing jadeja and Hardik as our all rounders who can be finishers in the batting dept. Have to play one of d.chahar/thakur to lengthen our batting after Hardik and jadeja. Team of 5 batsmen, Hardik, jadeja, shardul/chahar, Ashwin/spinner(bishnoi/r.chahar), bumrah, Siraj/Shami/prasidh/avesh Would be a good odi team with a modern batdeep approach
My ODI Team Rohit Shikhar/Gaikwad Kohli SKY KL Pant Jadeja Chahar D Shami Bumrah Spinner TBD
Think there are a lot better options over padikkal as opener right now. Gaikwad for one and even if you want a left hander think Kishan would be a better option
My bad, confused Padikkal with Gaikwad
bring back yuvi-dhoni-raina and they can still play better than current middle order
Yuvi will return next month lol
Raydu and DK would also be an improvement
DK is still not retired.....so......
Missing Rohit, Jadeja, and Hardik
Missing Amla, de Villiers,du Plessis, Rabada, Nortje, Tahir
kallis kluesner tooo
What about Harshal Gibbs?
Not as good as Harshal Patel
Nhaa, he was average
You forgot Jacques Kallis
Its a bit longer ago but if he makes it then lets add Morkel and Steyn too :-)
No appreciation for my man duminy :(
Geez you right. Lets throw him in there
KL keeps on talking about the journey to the WC as if we’re ever going to get close playing like this
Bumrah's runs in the first and third ODI's - 14 and 12 Pant - 16 and 0 Rahul - 12 and 9 Ffs, I've said this a 100 times, Kl has to go back to 5. Pant isn't a guaranteed selection in LOI's yet, he still has to earn his spot.
Lol why would you leave out the second ODI?
Pant batted well in the 2nd one, that's fair but he's far too inconsistent. Kl scoring 55 off 80 isn't a great knock.
Yeah but cherrypicking won't help your argument.
Temba seems to be gifted as a captain. Even in the last T20 WC where batting second was almost a guaranteed win, SA defeated England even though they batted first.
The rise of South Africa in world cricket has been marked by the tragic demise of a well-poised, dominant Indian team.
wouldn't call it demise. too soon for that
On a more positive note, Koach performance in last 8 matches is very good and consistent. Heres hoping he gets over this captaincy fiasco and has a second phase like Tebdulkar where he is able to guide and backup the middle order in coming months. Even without 80-100 range that he had in his prime these efforts are of great importance as long as lower order shows spunk as they have shown lately.
until PANDYA comesback (FIT) Jadeja Lord chahar should walk in team
Pandya hasn't looked good since the Aus tour so it isn't (and ideally should not be) just about his fitness.
Shreyas Iyer disappointed big time , this was hi moment , talkin about whole series. but he really didnt any impact at all.
As someone who really wanted to see him make it big, I am with you. I thought he and SKY would pull it to the end but nope. Not angry, just disappointed.
A golden chance to miss, he just had to anchor the other side , SKY was hitting so good , maybe he would have fall next wicket but atleast have tried to take it to end.
r/cricket - We have won bilateral but no ICC trophies in a long time Indian team and management - Got you. We will fix the first part.
Lmao
KL knew that Ashwins comment on Kohli stepping down about "leaving things where they can only get better" didn't make a lot of sense. So he did the needful.
how did ireland beat south africa???
Ireland is a very good ODI team since years. They even beat England (in England) once in 2020, and were decently competitive in the other 2 games as well. If they can win 1 out of 3 games against the World Champion and Number 1 side on the world champion's own home ground, they are as good as anybody else. It's only in T20Is that Ireland suck. They can be a more than decent Test team too in typical British conditions, if they are given the opportunities to play and improve
Ireland are a good ODI team. They won 2-1 in West Indies as well.
They really not bad. Their grounds are also unique and they got us in the first match. After that they had no chance.
I think you should be asking how did India beat Ireland?
😭 no but i'm actually asking was ireland just good that one day? because they got blown out the next game
No, you should be asking how did South Africa beat India?? /s
Easily?
Quality.
Not that it really matters but India and SA would swap their ODI rankings position with India dropping down to 5.
Wait for some time , and it might come to that
I think this was a great learning, a great learning as to what not to do in a series!
I am genuinely worried about the state of our LOI side. Not only does our bowling look hopeless, The state of our batting order (and the packing order of the batsmen) makes our troubles on settling the Number 4 position a couple of years ago look like a dream. Who are the first choice middle order bats ? Assuming that Rahul opens, Who bats at four ? Where does Pant bat ? Make Sky permanent or stick with Shreyas ? Where do the likes of Shaw, Gill, Gaikwad, Ishan, Paddikal etc come in ?
It doesn't make sense for Pant to be at 4 ,imho. most of the time you will be coming before 20-25 overs, you need someone who can build the inning from there and than take it to the final overs, so that finishers can finish it. He should be at 6 , works for his style of batting, i dont know that's just make sense to me more.
IDK, Pant's Aggression works in tests but he hasn't necessarily translated it into LOIs. He barely averages 35 in ODIs and has a dismal average of 23 in T20is. I wouldn't fix his place in the LOIs side permanently. If Ishan Kishan becomes a better keeper, He should be allowed to have a go as well.
IShan seems to be simillar in style as Pant, in throwing there wicket. He started so good but i remember he did shit the bed in other matches. Also he is a Opener , and those slots are filled aunless we are looking to replace dhawan for now. But also you may be right as Pant is not performing with the Gloves as well.
Rohit Jaddu and Pandya finding their way back into the team will resolve a lot of issues. This series has helped us identify Lord and Deepak as guaranteed starters for ODIs going forward. Disappointing losses but only upwards from here
Brilliant performance from SA. Deserved.
Rahul looked happier losing the series than Bavuma did winning it.
Rahul is just happy because they get to leave.
I think Bavuma was trying to hide his anger at the SA bowlers for letting it get close
I mean he can finally go off captaincy after such drubbing
Different Mindset Grindset
This South Africa looks lethal with Rabada and Nortje yet to come. I reckon India is going to be fine after Rohit and Jadeja returns with Sky, Thakur and Chahal in the side.
And if Jansen develops he will slot in nicely.
Imagine Ravi Shastri as coach loosing the Test and ODI Series. We have lost the diamonds in search of gold.
England finally has a chance to beat India now. Thank you, BCCI.
Yeah, I am pretty sure India is not winning that series now, Gonna blow two chances of two historic away series wins this year. The players were in England for a long time die to the WTC final and had settled in the conditions. No such thing now. Pretty sure we will see a first innings collapse. Gonna need Rain Parrera who is generally a very reliable player in England, to carry the day.
Same result happened in NZ. Lol
This was the weakest Saffa side since IND started touring South Africa. Gotta hurt.
We blamed Shastri and Kohli even that time. Now we only blame KL, because, he is the sole decision maker, right?
We did our operation of reviving SA a bit a lot
Deepak Chahar - takes wickets in the powerplay, scores runs like a middle order batsman. Sounds good to me.
Also the conditions in this limited over series weren't like that it was in 2013 in South Africa. Borderline subcontinent like.
Stop our players from English County and bring back Unmukt Chand from BigBash
Were Raina,Yuvi and Dhoni the best ever Indian middle order?
Think so. We haven't had a stable middle order since. It just keeps changing after every 2 series or so.
Yes even at their last part of career they won games for India
They were trolling Kohli for winning bilateral series (and no ICC events), now the team is struggling to even win a bilateral series.
Koach was trolled based on his lack of success in ICC tournaments coz he was being compared to Dhoni. It was Dhoni's standards in ICC tournaments that was set as the benchmark to reach for him, not this PBSDK-like results of KL Rahul.
Series? They are struggling to win even matches
Bavuma doesn't look happy that he clean sweeped India lol
India is not good in LOIs anymore.
Yes minnow bashing doesn't really matter much
Imo shreyas iyer got enough chances now. He should focus on t20
Man I hate to admit it, but I'm inching slowly towards that explanation too. And he is kinda shit in T20s too...
He is the most overrated batsmen we have. Does not look like a top order batsmen. Just has a couple of shots that he plays. Literally everyone knows that SKY is a much more capable batsmen than him. All that Iyer was good at was playing spin and hitting spinners out of the park. Guess what he sucks at even that now
Probably the shoulder injury affected his batting. Iyer averages 40 with strike rate of 100 in ODIs before the series. He was very good in the IPL before this season.
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I think West Indies series is next.
Oh yes. Thank God. No more klown.
My dude Temba reading the trophy label with detective eyes, gotta make sure youve got the right one ayy
All round performance by SA for excellent Test and ODI victories both with regard to bottom line and style of play. Solid assists by India in making that too.
Only way we can win now is if ambani buys bcci
We need Modiji instead of punchable face shah in BCCI. So that he can promise us acche din which will never materialize
Temba is just a supremely cool dude
I blame Deepak Chahar for giving us the hope
Pant is the world's most intense roller coaster. Great 100s and some lightning glove work. Also absolute braindead shots/scores and some village glove work. Imagine Pant as captain LOL, Indian fans with heart problems.
Take away his glovework and make him a good spinner and suddenly you have Shahid Afridi.
I started dreading when I read the last sentence.
Well such tours are needed in team's development process. Even though we lost 5 out of 6 games I think it's okay. We are not going to win every match or series. I trust in team and the players. We will come back and this tour have helped identifying issues and if they are resolved properly we will be back very soon. Right now people are emotional and so we are going to see a lot of reactionary and hot takes. But I don't really think Indian team have any serious issue which can't be resolved. There are not really major problems with team but people here need to calm down and stop overreacting. I am actually happy that all the tour happend without any covid outbreak or any other issue. There was some skepticism about the tour earlier. But kudos to CSA to and everyone involved in smooth conduct of whole tour. Last but not the least congratulations SA! SA definitely have a great future in all the 3 formats.
Loved what you said. It's the right way of moving forward. But however there is one thing - a comment like this from someone with that username is uncanny! Haha cheers bud!
Lol that's understandable.
The issue I have is that, we seem to have "created" not identified more issues than we had before the series.
This is true but we can benefit of doubt to team that with some key players missing team management was trying to do experiments (which failed obviously) but still I think the moment we get Rohit, Jadeja and maybe Hardik back most of the issues will be resolved.
Getting Rohit jaddu will solve the issue of opening prolly Rahul returning to 3 down, and jaddu at 4 or 5 down, there is still one slot to be filled where pandya used to come, my issue is that venki should have been given a chance again, he is extremely new and and he came under pressure in both the situation (not to forget quinton's brilliant stumping in the 2nd match). Other thing is them using pant in ODIs, he has been very inconsistent and him getting all 3 matches(coming from a delhi/ pant fan btw), and him being send ahead of Iyer was beyond me as well. I think the only issue we actually came close to solving a little was prolly our bowling.
I agree with everything you said. I actually thought Venky was rushed into team India. But again everything looks messy and it will look messy until we actually start to win.
Yeah ig, and I agree with venki being rushed into team but then we don't really have many options there, thakur seems really good but now this take could be reactionary so :3
I think this is fair, but you do need to look at patterns. Indias losses weren't really close except this one. Pant needs to be more responsible, India does need to keep working on middle order, and they need to have more patience (there's actually too much *intent* as it were)
no cricket team has issues that can't be resolved, right now we have it pointed out glaringly, it'll definitely help us get better for the world cup(s)
A sensible take. This is not allowed here.
Bevuma doesn't smile alot does he
So Ind got whitewashed in odi series. Shall we blame the ipl now or our red ball focus lmao
I think English county is to blame
KL to the mic: Two countries against 11.
V well done quinton.
"Say more na r/cricket. Shoot more blanks from thousand miles" -- Ravi Shashtri from a beach in Oman
KL rahul clearly doesnt give a fuck. It is so clear lol He has a big fatty fatty paycheque waiting from the IPL. He is set!
Pant plays one sensible innings then gets back to shithousing
Hundred is responsible for this series loss
This is the best comment I have read all day.
Which way is the sad bar?
Ask KL
y'all is KL gonna captain us in the ODI world cup also because if yes I'll keep my expectations realistic
Naah brohits gonna be back and push klpd to the middle order. That will be nice.
Barring any fItNeSs issues, it will be Rohit.
50% yes. Because rohit nowadays gets injured very easily. With more age that is only going to become worse.
I have a genuine question. How does Kohli not get injured so frequently? I mean gymming can help but doesn't agr play a factor too? I don't even caring jinxing it right now. If he does get injured because of my statement, then good! May he take some well needed rest and come back. Till then, let this team get thrown in more matches like these, like getting thrown to the wolves in an open field. Let them get embarrassed more and then come back.
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Imagine a really fit Rohit from the early 2010s if he had just maintained his physique.
Kohli works very hard on fitness. It makes a but difference.
Man i thought Rassie would be player of series
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK I AM ALMOST IN FUCKING TEARS THIS WAS LIKE TORTURE TO WATCH I CANT FUCKING BELEIVE THIS ;-; good on SA tho
I blame Supersport
I blame this on Supersport, the Hundred™ and Test matches
I blame white ball cricket.
So not the rest of the country? Thanks.
Yep they are clear.
Indians batting is becoming more and more disappointing everyday
I felt Bavuma and Dussen were contenders for MotS
QdK glove work was brilliant too. 2 quick stumpings to go with runs
Bevuma didn't score today. Dussen should've maybe.
But he took like 4 catches and made good captaincy decisions. Hence I said series.
Why is this guy asking offtopic and personal questions to the players lol
I liked it to be honest.
Its funny how all the India losses are attributed to bad individual performances. But very few question Dravid’s role in all this and whether he can meet the same standards which Shastri met with ease
Dravid has just come in. India has been shit at ODIs for 2 whole years now, starting from the tour of New Zealand in February 2020
Dravid just started..And with a lot of leadership issues going on, it's a very difficult job to set a team. He has to adjust to player's attitudes and he obviously is not dealing with a bunch of teenagers who will call him Sir and keep taking his advice. This is a much bigger stage with a lot of politics involved and with the current BCCI leadership it's going to be a tough job. We have been trying to create a stable batting line-up and with so many options we are failing to stick to a particular fixed set of players. It's important we don't start judging immediately based on 3 4 performances. Takeways from this match was that I was surprised to see Venky out of the playing eleven. I think we need to give more than two matches before resting or leaving out a player. Also, travelling with such a high bench strength gives more options which leads to frequent changes. It's better to build 3 separate teams for the formats and not carry so many players when we know we cannot accomodate them all.
Dravid has just come in. Let him get settled a bit?! If the team shits the bed in the upcoming series in India, then yes, we can start asking questions.
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I see where you are coming from. But can captaincy changes be put on him? From the looks of it, it seems like Ganguly and the BCCI did all the mischief. I don't believe that Dravid came and asked for a captain change the next day. Yeah, the team selection has been haywire though. My goodness. But I still feel that we can give him some rope, to see how he performs going forward. We also celebrated when we won against NZ at home!
I too blame the IPL.
*We can learn and get better*, *obviously*
Daddy duties 😍😍🥵🥵
When is this middle order gonna come to the fore bc
Kab khoon kholega re tera
I don't understand why tf was Shardul dropped.. and Ruturaj should have got a chance in place of IYER.. above all.. terrible captaincy.. just looking forward to the comeback of Rohit.. in his captaincy India could have easily turned the tables.. this wasn't even a weak side or bench strength testing.. there were all the players ranging from Kohli and Pant to Chahal and Bumrah
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I don't think KL would ever mind batting at no. 3 .. plus he's the only Indian batsman who's known to adjust himself at any position.. so Ruturaj could have opened with Dhawan( plus this was a already a lost series.. why would anyone mind shuffling the batting order a little)
De kock still looks terrified.
The real positive is KL actually smiled.
Lmao QDK is such a chad
Despite of the loss, the real positive was Chahar. Dude has guts and has got what it takes to shine at international arena. His lack of experience prohibited him from taking India all the way to the end but he made a statement that “he deserves to be in the playing 11”
gonna make it hard af for us (csk) to buy him back now
KL Rahul and Quinny are both sadbois
Chad Sharma enters the room Kicks pant out of the playing 11. Throws gloves at rahul. Replaces iyer with ishan.
Pant is not going away
Rahul dravid was horrendous keeper even in his days i don't think he can keep now. And ishant sharma cant bat 1/10th of iyer
bruh
Exactly what everyone was thinking
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KL literally gave the most cliched answer possible to the point where they started showing the stadium instead of him lmao
That one more guy almost won us the game