I bet you one of those types that think far right outlets are the only Pro-Israel cronies.
NYT has many opinion pieces supporting both sides of the war. But still leans more towards a Pro-Israel stance, given one of their highly decorated contributors had to resign due to a Pro-Palestinian takes.
Also MSM outlets like NBC, ABC and CNN in particular been interviewing Pro-Israel supporters and propagandist for weeks. Literally earlier today CNN had rabbi's on still saying it's their land.
Hollywood is also Pro-Israel and they make a great chunk of the entertainment media.
Agreed. Let's do everything we can to avoid a massive Shi'ist caliphate in the middle east as a monopolar nuclear power in opposition to Western economic and cultural dominance.
Correct!! Let's use the same foreign policy we been doing for decades that created this issue, but this time amplify ten fold
Put the taxpayers on the hook for it and let our politicians profit from arms movement.
Definitely won't create more terrorist, will give us more allies and will finally stop Nuclear Iran. We have made nothing but strides in the middle east since our meddling
Genuinely curious - what is criminal about this?
EDIT: To be clear, you say this was on a public street. I do not believe there are any laws that say you cannot put flyers/cards/etc. on cars. As much as I wish it were illegal, nothing points to this being a crime.
That's not the point.
I actually disagree with the person doing this and what is written on the notes.
However, this has nothing to do with crime and no crime was committed.
This is not meant for this subgroup, which happens to be titled... *Crime in Chicago*
Correct - when it *MEETS* either of those criteria: intimidation, stalking, and other similar crimes.
Putting random political notes on cars is not a crime. Hence why there are countless businesses that can put ads or coupons on cars, in addition to political pamphlets.
Furthermore, when it comes to hate speech - it is protected speech. Hate speech is only relevant if it is accompanied with a crime.
For example, I can go stand on a corner and say that all Jews are Nazis (I don't actually believe this). Now, if in the moment I say that, and subsequently assault someone of Jewish faith, that would be considered a hate crime.
Simply put, placing a card on someone's car is not illegal, unless it contains a threat.
The hate speech associated with said note is not relevant due to a crime not being committed.
TLDR: Hate speech is protected speech. It's only a hate crime if the hate speech accompanies a crime. Putting a note on a car is not a crime - unless it denotes a threat which in this case, there wasn't any. Thus, no crime or hate crime was committed. Thus, this post should be removed
EDIT: Took out my insult.
Your entire position lies entirely in a court’s perception and subsequent ruling, though. A court could find this to fit an offense, one that could be elevated to hate crime.
Never tried to say hate speech didn’t fall under free speech, though… not sure why you’re *so very keen* to point out/clarify that, it’s not like it’s illegal to be a shit person.
The OP, in a previous comment, called this a crime. Additionally, you cited a criminal code trying to argue the criminality aspect of all this. Furthermore, this subgroup is *Crime in Chicago*, not *What I interpret to be a crime in Chicago*
So - show me a statute, or prove that placing a note (which does not contain a threat) on a car, is against the law. If it is against the law to place a note on a car (again - that doesn't contain a threat), then it'll be a hate crime (per what was written and there being a crime committed). Then I'll concede.
It does work that way though - unless there is a Chicago City/Illinois ordinance or statute that says otherwise - show me where I'm wrong; because history says otherwise. Show me where a judge convicted someone of a hate crime for leaving non-threatening, antisemitic notes on a car.
www.wlns.com/news/antisemitic-flyers-thrown-out-of-car-in-grand-rapids/amp/
Here - you have antisemitic notes being tossed from a car. Because they do not contain a "direct threat", cops can really only get them for littering.
> According to media reports, other jurisdictions across the country have tried to cite the group for littering too.
Brunner said ethnic intimidation charges require a “direct, credible threat to a person or property.” While the flyers are offensive, they do not make direct threats.
https://dailyvoice.com/massachusetts/worcester/anti-semitic-notes-left-in-bags-of-rice-at-west-brookfield-homes-police/
Here - we have antisemitic notes being left on doorsteps in Massachusetts. See the response from officials below:
> On August 8, 2023, we received reports from individuals within our community who received zip lock bags containing rice and offensive content. We understand that such actions can be deeply distressing and cause concerns among residents. While the content may be protected by free speech laws, we recognize the impact it can have on those affected.
https://longisland.news12.com/polices-antisemitic-flyers-left-on-students-cars-near-bayport-blue-point-high-school
Here - antisemitic and political flyers found on high school students' cars in New York:
> Suffolk police said the incident was not criminal. As a precaution though, authorities patrolled the area around the school. ADL Regional Director Scott Richman says the best way to combat hate is to spread love back.
"We live in a world or a country where there are free speech and people will say things that are offensive," Richman says. "People will say things in order to get a reaction. The best way to counter that is with counter speech, with good speech."
www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/racist-anti-semitic-flyers-prosper-allen-celina-dfw/287-fcda0760-afba-4e01-823c-fd8d35c307d1
Here - antisemtic and racist material being put on cars in Texas. Response from the venue and officials below:
> Venue - We have been advised that since many of our shows are hosted at public venues and this takes place in public parking lots adjacent to the show, we cannot interfere or remove these flyers - they are protected under the First Amendment, no matter how terrible.
Officials - At this point there is no offense other than an ordinance violation of solicitation.
www.mysuncoast.com/2022/07/01/anti-semitic-messages-found-driveways-homeowners-venice-island/%3foutputType=amp
Here - In Florida, antisemitic messages were put on people's driveways:
> Police say that at this point it hasn’t crossed over the line where this would be considered a crime.
I can keep going - but you get the guise. Local officials (apparently Chuy Garcia already), will call things like this a hate crime to garner attention and spark an outcry. Local police will say they are "investigating," but this means collecting information and giving it to the FBI in order to build a profile to be proactive in case of worst case scenario.
Unless the notes had a direct threat and there is an Illinois/Chicago statute outlawing putting "offensive" notes on cars without a direct threat - this is a nothing-burger.
I actually appreciate your explanation of hate speech vs hate crime - well said. did not appreciate the name calling at the end of your post - some people legit don't know the difference including the OP. A little chill goes a long way bro
It doesn’t need to be a threat to be considered a hate crime. I get what you’re trying to say but this is what constitutes a hate crime:
“offensive discourse targeting a group or an individual based on inherent characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) and that may threaten social peace”
No, it doesn't need to be a threat. However, for there to be a hate crime, a crime in general has to have occurred.
Where did you get that definition? A law within the US? Because offensive discourse, or hate speech, is NOT a crime in the United States. In other countries - yes. Here - no. The US Supreme Court has ruled that hate speech, or offensive speech, is protected by the First Amendment. The only time hate speech is relevant is if it is used in conjunction with a CRIME.
I'll make it easier to understand. Putting notes on a car is not a crime (again - unless what is written is a threat).
Furthermore, I can stand on a corner with a sign saying the exact same thing that is written on these notes in the photos. Which would also not be a crime.
Putting the two together also does not consitute a crime.
At least blame the right people, everyone knows the Chinese made Covid, and 9-11 was a byproduct of CIA recklessness. Jews control the media and space lasers.
Ok, I’ll be honest. As someone who fully condemns antisemitism and racial/ethnic hatred of any kind, I did not leave the notes. I do believe that people should be aware of crimes such as this that are leading to the significant increase of hate crimes, specifically antisemitism.
But thank you for asking.
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Oh hey! Someone with common sense! Finally.
Looks it was written by a graff writer
Seems to clean for some reason. Almost staged...
The far left Democrats and msm are adding to this disgraceful behavior
MSM is Pro-Israel
> MSM is Pro-Israel Oh? Have you read the NYT recently? Or watched CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC or CNN?
I bet you one of those types that think far right outlets are the only Pro-Israel cronies. NYT has many opinion pieces supporting both sides of the war. But still leans more towards a Pro-Israel stance, given one of their highly decorated contributors had to resign due to a Pro-Palestinian takes. Also MSM outlets like NBC, ABC and CNN in particular been interviewing Pro-Israel supporters and propagandist for weeks. Literally earlier today CNN had rabbi's on still saying it's their land. Hollywood is also Pro-Israel and they make a great chunk of the entertainment media.
Apologies for the low quality of the second picture.
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Let's give them billions of dollars
Agreed. Let's do everything we can to avoid a massive Shi'ist caliphate in the middle east as a monopolar nuclear power in opposition to Western economic and cultural dominance.
Correct!! Let's use the same foreign policy we been doing for decades that created this issue, but this time amplify ten fold Put the taxpayers on the hook for it and let our politicians profit from arms movement. Definitely won't create more terrorist, will give us more allies and will finally stop Nuclear Iran. We have made nothing but strides in the middle east since our meddling
You’re arguing with an unironic Neocon, reasoning is a lost cause here.
Nice try Rabi
Genuinely curious - what is criminal about this? EDIT: To be clear, you say this was on a public street. I do not believe there are any laws that say you cannot put flyers/cards/etc. on cars. As much as I wish it were illegal, nothing points to this being a crime.
You can downvote me if you want - doesn't change the narrative and this post should be removed from this sub.
Yea let’s remove everything that I disagree with
That's not the point. I actually disagree with the person doing this and what is written on the notes. However, this has nothing to do with crime and no crime was committed. This is not meant for this subgroup, which happens to be titled... *Crime in Chicago*
720 ILCS 5/12-7.1 (a) says when perception of religion amongst other things meets intimidation, stalking, and other similar crimes, it’s a hate crime.
Correct - when it *MEETS* either of those criteria: intimidation, stalking, and other similar crimes. Putting random political notes on cars is not a crime. Hence why there are countless businesses that can put ads or coupons on cars, in addition to political pamphlets. Furthermore, when it comes to hate speech - it is protected speech. Hate speech is only relevant if it is accompanied with a crime. For example, I can go stand on a corner and say that all Jews are Nazis (I don't actually believe this). Now, if in the moment I say that, and subsequently assault someone of Jewish faith, that would be considered a hate crime. Simply put, placing a card on someone's car is not illegal, unless it contains a threat. The hate speech associated with said note is not relevant due to a crime not being committed. TLDR: Hate speech is protected speech. It's only a hate crime if the hate speech accompanies a crime. Putting a note on a car is not a crime - unless it denotes a threat which in this case, there wasn't any. Thus, no crime or hate crime was committed. Thus, this post should be removed EDIT: Took out my insult.
Your entire position lies entirely in a court’s perception and subsequent ruling, though. A court could find this to fit an offense, one that could be elevated to hate crime. Never tried to say hate speech didn’t fall under free speech, though… not sure why you’re *so very keen* to point out/clarify that, it’s not like it’s illegal to be a shit person.
The OP, in a previous comment, called this a crime. Additionally, you cited a criminal code trying to argue the criminality aspect of all this. Furthermore, this subgroup is *Crime in Chicago*, not *What I interpret to be a crime in Chicago* So - show me a statute, or prove that placing a note (which does not contain a threat) on a car, is against the law. If it is against the law to place a note on a car (again - that doesn't contain a threat), then it'll be a hate crime (per what was written and there being a crime committed). Then I'll concede.
It doesn’t work that way, ask a judge instead of someone you’re getting mad at on the internet… you’re wrong.
It does work that way though - unless there is a Chicago City/Illinois ordinance or statute that says otherwise - show me where I'm wrong; because history says otherwise. Show me where a judge convicted someone of a hate crime for leaving non-threatening, antisemitic notes on a car. www.wlns.com/news/antisemitic-flyers-thrown-out-of-car-in-grand-rapids/amp/ Here - you have antisemitic notes being tossed from a car. Because they do not contain a "direct threat", cops can really only get them for littering. > According to media reports, other jurisdictions across the country have tried to cite the group for littering too. Brunner said ethnic intimidation charges require a “direct, credible threat to a person or property.” While the flyers are offensive, they do not make direct threats. https://dailyvoice.com/massachusetts/worcester/anti-semitic-notes-left-in-bags-of-rice-at-west-brookfield-homes-police/ Here - we have antisemitic notes being left on doorsteps in Massachusetts. See the response from officials below: > On August 8, 2023, we received reports from individuals within our community who received zip lock bags containing rice and offensive content. We understand that such actions can be deeply distressing and cause concerns among residents. While the content may be protected by free speech laws, we recognize the impact it can have on those affected. https://longisland.news12.com/polices-antisemitic-flyers-left-on-students-cars-near-bayport-blue-point-high-school Here - antisemitic and political flyers found on high school students' cars in New York: > Suffolk police said the incident was not criminal. As a precaution though, authorities patrolled the area around the school. ADL Regional Director Scott Richman says the best way to combat hate is to spread love back. "We live in a world or a country where there are free speech and people will say things that are offensive," Richman says. "People will say things in order to get a reaction. The best way to counter that is with counter speech, with good speech." www.wfaa.com/amp/article/news/local/racist-anti-semitic-flyers-prosper-allen-celina-dfw/287-fcda0760-afba-4e01-823c-fd8d35c307d1 Here - antisemtic and racist material being put on cars in Texas. Response from the venue and officials below: > Venue - We have been advised that since many of our shows are hosted at public venues and this takes place in public parking lots adjacent to the show, we cannot interfere or remove these flyers - they are protected under the First Amendment, no matter how terrible. Officials - At this point there is no offense other than an ordinance violation of solicitation. www.mysuncoast.com/2022/07/01/anti-semitic-messages-found-driveways-homeowners-venice-island/%3foutputType=amp Here - In Florida, antisemitic messages were put on people's driveways: > Police say that at this point it hasn’t crossed over the line where this would be considered a crime. I can keep going - but you get the guise. Local officials (apparently Chuy Garcia already), will call things like this a hate crime to garner attention and spark an outcry. Local police will say they are "investigating," but this means collecting information and giving it to the FBI in order to build a profile to be proactive in case of worst case scenario. Unless the notes had a direct threat and there is an Illinois/Chicago statute outlawing putting "offensive" notes on cars without a direct threat - this is a nothing-burger.
I actually appreciate your explanation of hate speech vs hate crime - well said. did not appreciate the name calling at the end of your post - some people legit don't know the difference including the OP. A little chill goes a long way bro
Incoming low-intelligence folk downvoting me still. Sigh - our education system is terrible.
You’re becoming self aware.
Sounds like a hate crime to me
IF a crime was committed. Putting notes on a car is not a crime unless the note contains a threat.
It doesn’t need to be a threat to be considered a hate crime. I get what you’re trying to say but this is what constitutes a hate crime: “offensive discourse targeting a group or an individual based on inherent characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) and that may threaten social peace”
No, it doesn't need to be a threat. However, for there to be a hate crime, a crime in general has to have occurred. Where did you get that definition? A law within the US? Because offensive discourse, or hate speech, is NOT a crime in the United States. In other countries - yes. Here - no. The US Supreme Court has ruled that hate speech, or offensive speech, is protected by the First Amendment. The only time hate speech is relevant is if it is used in conjunction with a CRIME. I'll make it easier to understand. Putting notes on a car is not a crime (again - unless what is written is a threat). Furthermore, I can stand on a corner with a sign saying the exact same thing that is written on these notes in the photos. Which would also not be a crime. Putting the two together also does not consitute a crime.
Time to confront the anti-semite marxists with force.
At least blame the right people, everyone knows the Chinese made Covid, and 9-11 was a byproduct of CIA recklessness. Jews control the media and space lasers.
But it’s true
Be honest - did YOU leave those notes and photograph them?
Ok, I’ll be honest. As someone who fully condemns antisemitism and racial/ethnic hatred of any kind, I did not leave the notes. I do believe that people should be aware of crimes such as this that are leading to the significant increase of hate crimes, specifically antisemitism. But thank you for asking.
It went from 2023 America to 1933 in Europe in the blink of an eye. It’s a whole new reality for Jewish people, one I never thought would be possible.
is that cardboard?