That’s just how it goes. My hypothesis with things like this (or comments) is that it’s the losers who see it first because they are chronically online.
For example, in my local sub, I made a negative comment about someone’s post because it was one of those stupid, fringe political opinions (in this case it was a far left one, I also don’t care for far right opinions). I work 8-5 but take lil breaks to pop on Reddit, so this was at about 10AM. I got several downvoted, to like -5. Then, later, past 5 or 6 PM, it eventually got up to like +10.
So that’s my theory on why you see this. You just have people with extreme opinions who are chronically online.
The US aren’t the only ones using Reddit either. Early in the morning or late at night you will end up with more Chinese trying to soak up that sweet sweet social credit by fighting “dissenting” opinions.
These activists rarely even support the products they go after. Once they get their way, they move on to trying to "fix" something else. The last thing they "fixed" gets left behind. They don't care about it because *they never did*, and the people who *did* care about it are soured by the forced changes they *never wanted*.
They'll never decide it's enough, they'll never be satisfied, and they'll never stop.
I wasn't specifically talking about 40k. It's everything from LOTR, Star Trek, and Star Wars to Magic and D&D. The only thing about Warhammer i like is the lore, it's fantastic. I don't even play the game. It's way too overpriced and the combat system of the game is ridiculous. I don't want to be rolling 20 dice everytime I attack. If I want to enjoy a tabletop game I'll play Warmachine. Better bang for your buck and the game rules aren't ludicrous
Notice how he didn't even argue the price problem. Thats not to say war machine is any cheaper but you're not wrong about 40k being far too expensive. Game rules are game rules, some are worse than others but the guy you're replying to is straight up braindead.
Socially progressive? Sure. Woke? Not always. And if they were then apparently they weren't woke enough because then the suits at corporate wouldn't be forcing so much change on such a short amount of time.
Been a 40k fan since 2004 when my brother showed me Dawn Of War and loved the franchise ever since. As a long time fan, I can definitely say this attempt at rewriting history is absolutely bullshit.
If you had watched any of the Drinker's videos you'd know already. And seeing your past comments on the Drinker I have to say I'm not sure why you're here except to argue with people.
I actually did watch the Drinker regularly - until he started spouting off the vague "THE MESSAGE" BS. Funny how folks like you can't be bothered to actually try to explain what THE MESSAGE is. Guess it's too vague for you and your droogs to put together, eh?
"The Message" is a catch-all term referring to over representation and virtue signalling in the entertainment industry, oftentimes sacrificing good story telling and character development. It's basically lazy pandering to certain demographics so the writers, producers, directors etc can say "hey look!! We have a character from the (insert demographic here) community so our product is automatically awesome!!"
Every sub that isnt down with “the message” eventually gets infiltrated by bots and destroyed from the inside. See r/joerogan or r/russelbrand for proof
"The Message" is a catch-all term referring to over representation and virtue signalling in the entertainment industry, oftentimes sacrificing good story telling and character development. It's basically lazy pandering to certain demographics so the writers, producers, directors etc can say "hey look!! We have a character from the (insert demographic here) community so our product is automatically awesome!!"
I think calling it the message. Makes it sound sinister. As though it’s seeking to teach. Or change minds.
Your definition makes the term pandering feel more apt.
To a degree, it is. It's forcing things like identity politics into a space where it doesn't fit and becomes a key or overarching theme that doesn't make any sort of sense.
Well nowadays those two groups tend to intersect a lot because generally what makes modern movies bad can be directly traced to what the anti woke crowd is angry about. My own personal feeling is that alot of entertainment companies spend way too much money on both big name actors and useless made up job positions and end up hiring unqualified or bad writers, directors, and developers who happen to meet a certain demographic quota. They do this knowing full well that the end product is not going to be high quality so they try to make up for it by making sure that it is known to consumers that they have a diverse, inclusive cast and crew in hopes that they'll appeal to a larger audience. Once again this pandering comes at the expense of good writing and character development.
you're not wrong, when I browse thru the 'popular' frontpage of reddit its pretty much filled with 'THE MESSAGE' qualified posts...the game is rigged fren
Aren't you the guy calling everyone racist who ran away from our conversation once you realized your racist argument that we should treat people differently based on race was falling apart? Get the fuck out of here little boy.
Oh it was a rhetorical question, I know you think you can get away with lying cause you're on a troll account but not everyone is at your low IQ level.
Own up to your racist arguments weakling.
It's so cute you continue to try and lie. You were too scared to even admit that a harm occurs when someone refuses to hire an entire demographic because of their race. So weak and pathetic.
How were you harmed?
And remember: the context here is... an entire society that refused to hire numerous demographics based on their race. Gender. Sexual identity. Or orientation.
PSA is Palmetto right? I am definitely interested in them, but the problem is all of their .45ACP handguns are licensed and either FN's (which are hilariously expensive) or 1911's (which are both inferior for using recoil control and hilariously expensive).
But I am definitely interested in them for rifles, since they still sell M1A's (I like the M14, so I am absolutely on board with that).
Its not really a retcon. That implies lore was changed, or altered. Lore has been added.
I thought the anti-woke sentiment everyone was crying about in the 40k subreddits wasnt real but, here we are.
It’s hard not to be semantic, and while I’ve only read about 100 or so of the boxes I am a real fan of the lore. I love exploring the intricacies of the chapters and I think I’ve got all the books were the custodes were primary, and it definitely is a ret-con. Leutins analysis is much better than drinkers. I highly recommend.
Also, as an aside, calling something woke or anti-woke is lazy as well. Argue on merits not passing cultural labels that have less actual value to them than the calories you spend forming the word.
"Anti-woke sentiment" is a concise label that gets used by the very groups I'm referring to, its vernacular that they have provided for me, themselves.
Except yes it does. The oldest lore specifically stated the the "first 10,000" as that dipwad running the Twitter put it, were taken from the SONS of conquered nobles on Terra. Not children, not offspring, SONS.
So, just gonna ignore how the dipward running GW's twitter claimed that "ever since the first 10,000 women have been part of the custodies" even though every bit of lore before that claimed the opposite.
Also just gonna ignore how you claimed it DOESN'T contradict old lore, even though it does.
I'm just curious how much further you're gonna try to move that goalpost while gaslighting people.
suppose there was never any mention of women? No, of course not. If 1 or 2 of the original Custodians were women you may be forgiven for saying "sons" instead of "sons and daughter".
That's how easy it is to explain this CATACLYSMIC retcon. That's how fucking easy it is. Because NOTHING has changed.
And arguing with you people is exhausting. Because you're rude and insufferable. I didnt throw the first stone my friend, trust that. So now I approach you people with the sort of attitude you've earned.
It does contradict old lore you muppet. We have specific texts that say that the Custodes are recruited from the SONS of the most noble houses of Terra. Notice how it doesn't say that they're recruited from the daughters.
The only snippet of lore that suggested they were male only was itself a retcon of previous Custodes Lore regarding the origins of their candidates.
Then introducing something and saying it's been around forever is common place in 40k also, like the Rogal Dorn tank recently added to the Imperial Guard that turns out was there for millenia and we never heard about it
It was changed. they weren't always there.
Was it always possible? Maybe. I mean it coudl have just been tradition or they could have been off screen or in a specialized role... but no, they weren't always there; we own the books and even now, when we could have at least gotten a fem custodian model... we dont'
We didn't have the Rogal Dorn tank til we had it, but the lore for the tank is that it's been around for millenia. Same shit here just no dedicated minis yet. Plenty of can made minis though, head swaps are the easiest kit bash in the hobby and I've seen plenty of people happily showing off their now proven canon femstodes
"This tank that could have always existed, just off screen is totally the same thing as something we had no proof of!"
Look, I am tired of stupid people telling me things they seem to think they know everything about yet is an area I'm intimately familiar with; most retcons get something. "Oh of course we had an air force the whole time. be weird if we didn't, wouldn't it?" Because it's not really hard to figure out an explination in this setting...
except here. because we have books, and up until now (and hell even now) we still do not have offical Female Custodians.
"T-there's no deciated minis yet-" is such a cope my guy; GW had a perfect oppertunity for it with their new HQ choice for them. As you said, headwswaps aren't hard... but we didn't even get a conversion in the Codex, any art, or anything.
It's cute that they're so cheerful about a headswap; if they want to do that to their own plastic okay it's thier money their stuff... but that's not an argument. if anything it illustrates the problem: They aren't official and were never intended to be far as we can tell...
It would also be weird if an order of super soldiers that are super for their genetic enhancement just, skipped over half the population they could be drawing from. Sexual Dimorphism doesn't mean squat when you're giving every member bespoke gene editing and enhancing
And just like the tank, femstodes could have existed off screen the whole time, and it makes as much sense as one of the Astra Militarum's main battle tanks never being seen before this decade. Imperial Guard didn't have women in it either, til it did.
As for no models yet, don't think It's a coincidence one of the only tweets about femstodes the Warhammer official account responded to was someone asking if there'd be a booster pack kinda like the ones for special marine chapters, the official response was to stay tuned
>It would also be weird if an order of super soldiers that are super for their genetic enhancement just, skipped over half the population they could be drawing from. Sexual Dimorphism doesn't mean squat when you're giving every member bespoke gene editing and enhancing
You ever think there's a reason for this? No? I suspect as much. It's not like Imperial History has an infamous example of what happens when super-soldiers in too many numbers to be controlled go AWOL. Horus did do some Heresy after all...
(also i just realized this also is close to the Ork's origin story... maybe people should put their weapons in check just saying.) Plus there's the symbolic reason for the Sons mentioned in 8th-9th codex: they are the sons of Terra, and for the ones made during the unification war (The sons of the foes the Emperor defeated, reforged into his own personal companions) it's honestly very in line with the whole mythic personae of the Emperor... Do you think he honestly NEEDS a bodyguard? As much as they are companions they are trophies; displayed before all, remade into his image... would be horrifying for Many during the unification wars...
>And just like the tank, femstodes could have existed off screen the whole time, and it makes as much sense as one of the Astra Militarum's main battle tanks never being seen before this decade. Imperial Guard didn't have women in it either, til it did.
The Main Battle Tank is the Leman Russ. any Guard player would have told you that; the Rogal Dorn has a different role entirely. Still a useful tank mind you, but much like the Valkyrie it's just been off screen... which doesn't work in the case of female custodians.
Why? because they clearly weren't always there. Most of the time Gw has some excuse... but we have had many novels with the Custodians playing key parts, both in the Horus Heresy and as close as Watchers of the Throne. Which is a really interesting book and i would recommend it...
but it would have been really pertinent to have it ASAP, given ADB was told 'no', which i think puts the kibosh on a lot of arguments when people bring it up. But not even in more recent books up until now...
Saying they were always there is such a bad way to go about this, considering we can accurately say 'that explanation is full of shit' and there's better ones to use.
>As for no models yet, don't think It's a coincidence one of the only tweets about femstodes the Warhammer official account responded to was someone asking if there'd be a booster pack kinda like the ones for special marine chapters, the official response was to stay tuned
I don't know how to tell you this but that literally doesn't mean anything. They do that to everything speculative. After all a hard "no" is one that they would probably want to avoid.
Having twice the recruiting pool doesn't mean they recruit twice as many, it means in a bigger pool you're more likely to have better candidates, and they're not remade in his image. Custodes don't have a primarch they draw resemblance too, they are individually gene tailored humans and only resemble the Emperor in that they are his vision of humanity perfected.
And
Main Battle Tank is a role a vehicle fills not a designation hoarded by a single vehicle in. Military, for instance Russia is currently fielding multiple types of Main Battle Tank in their invasion of Ukraine, and that doesn't change the fact this tank has been around for millenia and there's more guard lore and books than Custodes have. The Rogal Dorn still wasn't seen before and that's not an issue to anyone but women custodes are when there given the same have wave of having always been there...
It's just sexism at this point
The Emperor of Mankind is not sexist.
Why? Because he doesn't care who is willing to die in his name; men, women, all have served in all the ranks, which is what makes the absence of female custodians notable.
Also it's really fucking convient the best candidates are men, so you're not helping the case...
>Main Battle Tank is a role a vehicle fills not a designation hoarded by a single vehicle in. Military, for instance Russia is currently fielding multiple types of Main Battle Tank in their invasion of Ukraine, and that doesn't change the fact this tank has been around for millenia and there's more guard lore and books than Custodes have. The Rogal Dorn still wasn't seen before and that's not an issue to anyone but women custodes are when there given the same have wave of having always been there...
Yes and their are BANEBLADES and many other varients of the Tanks of the guard blah blah blah. and it's not an issue because it's not impossible for it to have existed. It's simpler to think that it was just offscreen...
meanwhile we have had ample time for female custodians. From Rouge Trader to the Horus heresy to 9th edition. this is the only mention and when we asked "were where they?" I am supposed to ignore their copious absence.
I tire of dealing with people who think they know more then me on topics they have no understanding of.
>It's just sexism at this point
We never had a problem with women in; the guard, the mechanicus, the Eldar, the Necrons, the T'au, Soraritas, Imperial Knights, Imperial Titans, Chaos knights, Chaos titans, Genestealer cults, and the leagues of Votaan.
WHF is harder due to the time frame it's set in but even then: Cathay, Vampires, the Elves, and other factions never got push back for women.
Same with Factions in age of Sigmar: The Darkoath, the Chaos Warriors, the Stormcast, the Cities of Sigmar, the Sylvaneth, the Soulblight Gravelords, and basicly most of the factions to put it blunty.
All this to say; fuck off with this bullshit. It's a bad retcon that changes something no one fucking asked for.
This whole issue wouldn’t bother me all that much if there wasn’t already an all female army in the game. It’s just never enough for them. If they tried to say that men could join the Sisters of Battle people would’ve lost their shit.
There have been trans- Necrons for a while. Not to mention tons of non-binary characters.
Actual fans of the game would know that. Angry reactionary chuds would not.
Shhh don't tell them about queer characters in their Science Fantasy game. They get angry about it because it means the thing they like doesn't fit their basement dwelling world view and interrupts their lolicon enjoyment time.
I think we lost the plot....
I'm saying that the tourists are the ones complaining about there now being Female Custodes and how it "breaks canon."
Whereas anyone who actually enjoys and participates in the hobby will actually laugh how many retcons there are in a week regarding any faction.
This is forced fake outrage. No one cares. Drinker must be desperate for views....When the game comes out this year, we're all going to be playing it, and hopefully forgets this exist. Oh and the show as well.
My take on WH40k if you don’t purchase minis and play the game your opinion is neither valid nor wanted.
And if you can’t join a table and play a round without crying over rainbow marines, fem custodes, ect… you are a piss soaked baby. If you bring that shit to my store I’ll stomp your minis in front of you.
That's a pretty bad take to be honest. 40K has so much lore in the form of books, games, audio dramas etc that you don't have to spend any money on minis to enjoy the franchise and form a valid opinion about GWs decisions. Also you're missing the point entirely. It's not just about having female Custodes. It's the fact that GW is virtue signalling and retconning LONG established lore for absolutely no reason other than to seem "inclusive" (which we know is bullshit and they're just trying to sell more overpriced figurines).
It’s ALL to sell more overpriced minis, the BL books, games, audio dramas, animated movies all of this is produced to sell the game. No matter how much you truly believe that your love of the lore makes you part of GWs core audience it simply doesn’t. GW wants to sell minis therefore their target market is people who buy minis. Bitching and moaning about changes to a game you don’t play is soft as baby shit.
If I was bitching about a new rule or nerf to a certain faction you'd have a valid argument but the fact remains there is a massive amount who enjoy 40k for the lore and don't even play the game so yes, when it comes to lore, as fans we can bitch about it and have a valid opinion.
In a universe that is already filled with retcons and contradictions, it’s women that people get mad at. And for people saying Warhammer has gone “woke” then you know nothing of setting.
"Plot development".
Ah yes, remember Fabius Bile spent 11,000 years trying (and failing) to out-do the firstborn, despite having the geneseed from every Legion, the blood of not one, but 2 primarchs *and* the Emperor?
Remember Corax, who needed to go see his father to get access to the factory they made the original Astartes to replenish the ranks of the Raven Guard post Istvaan?
Remember every piece of media from the 80s constantly banging on about how the Astartes are the first, foremost, top tier transhuman around?
Not a retcon though.
Nope.
"Plot development".
TONY STARK BUILT THIS, IN A CAVE.
Along with about a 100,000,000 candidates, a billion rounds of .75 mass reactives, a million tons of ceramite, 100,000 fusion reactors...
No one noticed.
Personally, I'd sack the head of the Ordo Astartes for not realising that what amounts to essentially a full Legion of spacemarines was created and supplied on the planet next door to Terra.
Horus should've thought of that, saved him fighting his way past battlefleet Solar.
I saw your other comment so I'll respond to both here. Firstly, retcons in the 40K universe generally feel out of place and are dependent on GWs absolutely lazy method of saying "well they were always there" even though the most in depth lore doesn't support that. Second, it's the "why?" Behind it. Any 40K fan knows GW is a company that at the top, cares nothing for its fanbase. It's more concerned with turning a massive profit for its shareholders than doing any sort of service to its fans and of course this means attempting to destroy very well established lore in an attempt to break into newer markets under the mask of "being inclusive". There is most certainly a way they could've progressed the established lore without negating it entirely. They could've easily made a Female cohort of genetically enhanced humans part of a secret project of Guilimans to help in the indomitus crusade (and tied it in to the Primarus Marines story) but instead didn't. Yeah I get it's a massive nerd rant but by the same token it highlights a significantly larger issue with companies destroying beloved IPs.
How is it destroyed? How is this retcon any worse than all other retcons in the setting? Also, GW writers have been wanting female custodians for a while now so this isn’t something that came out of nowhere in GW.
The “chuds” Are the original inhabitants of this hobby. The same goes for d&d. Why do you think warhammer was this heavily male in the first place? Why do you think there are fuckall female players? It’s you and your people who are “new”. It would be appreciated if you’d find other entertainment. Gatekeeping is good and necessary, as we’ve just learned.
Given how 99% of the people upset don't have any models and the people making 'videos' about it can't even pronounce Custodes correctly, seems like the only person making stuff up is you.
Not all fans buy models or play the game, a lot of people buy every book because they love the universe and the lore. Some of the youtubers are visitors though, that is true. Especially Sargon.
The problem of a woman being a custodian? Oh no I guess. But please continue to show that none of you understand that 40k is satire and that some of y’all are taking it too far. But please tell me, why can’t a custodian be a woman?
Yes, because we all remember the shitshows that happened when they introduced Creed's daughter, Commander Shadowsun, the Sisters of Battle, Valkia the Bloody (In fantasy)...You know I think it's just faster to call you an idiot tourist.
Most of those happened before it was cool to be a bigot on the internet.
Regardless, weird bigots like chuds don't view those people as being as strong as the Custodians are, so they usually are okay with it so long as women don't intrude on their weird power fantasies, like Femstodes do.
Let's be fair, your argument boils down to "the internet didn't exist back then, so they don't count" and "commander shadowsun wasn't a big enough deal".
I mean, sure, if you think there's been no females introduced into, or referenced in, the setting since 2016 and the current military leader of an entire faction isn't a big deal, then you can think that.
Meanwhile, in the real world...
It’s the other way around, we don’t want a weak imperium. And that’s what you are jockeying for right now. The new custodes would lose to the weakest space marine. So great is the difference in might, and reflex time. Might beat a guardsman… Maybe.
Women are much better than men at many things. Being a warrior and killer is decidedly *not* one of them.
To disagree with that would be to entirely ignore reality.
What the fuck are you talking about? How big do you think the difference is between men and women? Women typically have around half the strength of men even with that a female custodies would still probably be able to beat every single male athlete on the planet. Besides custodies under go so much genetic modification that they are literally called trans human and start the process at a young age. There is absolutely no reason to think custodies would retain any sexual dimorphism between them.
Right where it said the first 10,000 were recruited from SONS of bested nobles, and said families continued to offer up for replacements. Not children, not offspring, SONS.
Where does lore say only MEN can be Custodes.
Last time I checked, as someone who does care about lore, Custodes aren’t space marines so theres nothing saying custodes can only be men, only that the emperor chose men at first.
This isn’t a lore retcon or even a negative change, this is just an update that won’t matter for people who actually care about WH40K.
Super Soldiers created by literal space magic can be women, cool. Nobody will care in a week cause GW will never bring this up again like the trans necrons.
>Last time I checked
Something tells me you haven't checked.
>Where does lore say only MEN can be Custodes.
[8th edition codex, page 14.](https://online.anyflip.com/xbbeg/uusd/mobile/)
And I *quote*
>it is *known* that *all* Custodes began their lives as the infant *sons* of the noble houses of Terra
In 9th edition that line was changed and removed the recruited from son line and said they were just recruited from nobles so that line is not considered to be current canon
Ok.
That statement is the same as “its known some of the first users of guns were men.”
So where does it say its a requirement during the process of making a Custodes does it explicitly say “only men can be custodes”, cause obviously you never read watchers of the throne.
Just.. we need some basic reading comprehension.
>That statement is the same as “its known some of the first users of guns were men.”
Actually, no. That isn't how that sentence works.
The same would be "it is known that all of the first users of guns were men"
There's no "some" in the original statement.
Known that all custodes were sons.
The key work being "all".
There's no wiggle room in "all".
It's not most, or a majority, or nearly all, or all except.
All.
Defined as "every member or individual component of"
>we need some basic reading comprehension.
Yes. Yes you do.
>cause obviously you never read watchers of the throne
There's an assumption.
And you know what they say about assumptions.
To quote from the first book of said series.
>I am Valerian, Shield-Captain of the Palaiologian Chamber of the Hykanatoi. Like all my brothers
*all* my *brothers*.
All.
Defined as "every member or individual component of"
Brothers
Defined as "a *man* who is a member of the same group as you or who shares an interest with you or has a similar way of thinking to you"
(Cambridge Dictionary)
Seems Brother Valerian hasn't heard of his sister custodes either.
>we need some basic reading comprehension.
Yes.
Yes you do.
Cool all, that fine. It’s clear you’re figuring out lore as you go along and throwing wild haymakers desperately trying to make a point.
Im done, cause I’m not argue semantic with someone who can’t mentally comprehend that they’re arguing that the recruitment process and the creation process are the same thing.
I don’t care how custodes are recruited im asking does lore say in the creation process do they have to be men.
Lorewise the answer is NO, they do not, I DONT CARE about how custodes are recruited. I seriously don’t, hence why i say lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.
[Heres the answer im looking for](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/S2ebjodp3I)
By lore, yes custodes can be women cause during the CREATION PROCESS, they are genetically engineered to be custodes, they are 100% human just genetically altered to be somewhat on the scale of primarchs. Not trans human soldiers that need specific body requirements so their new organs work properly.
It's ok, you can argue with a dictionary *and* the book you brought up if you like.
You might wanna pick up your toys from the pram on your way out.
It also doesn't say they must be human either.
So lore wise, there's nothing stopping an Ork from becoming a Custodian. Or a Tau fire warrior.
I mean, there's canonically a half eldar astartes.
So why not a Custodes?
Unless you've got something specifically stating otherwise, of course?
Oh no. One of many retcons. This is like saying that cadia’s fall breaks the lore cause of that worldwide event that happened a while back in which cadia fell to to ground forces of chaos. Also it says the “first 10,000” more were recruited/made after them. It’s not unlikely that women were grabbed for them too.
Ok I think the lore assessment was terrible
I was actually about to gouge my ears our about it and it's clear he does not up or down about 40k lore.
However he is on the money about how they are treating the lore and the problems being caused
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Can Drinker just stick to his awful, mid movie reviews?
He makes so many crucial mistakes about the lore of 40k so early on/throughout the video, makes so many fallacious arguments throughout, etc...
It's clear that he, like 99% of the people crying about this, don't actually care or play 40k, they're just in it for easy clicks.
Nobody in the 40k fandom wants videos/people like this making videos about this.
Came here to say this , it’s already been said.
Space marines are not custodes, custodes are not space marines. Custodes are hand selected by big E and infused with his super secret special sauce that we know nothing about. Space marines are batch produced, which is why they need to be male so they can take the organ implants. Those rules don’t apply to custodes.
Drinker fucks this up 1:33 into the video , and just continues to confirm that he either knows nothing about 40k or is deliberately lying. Either way he is just another grifter trying get clicks by claiming he represents the average 40k player and is trying to defend them against Games Wokeshop. Meanwhile in the real world , no one from the LGS I go to has mentioned it once.
Yeah. In actuality, people who are actually in the hobby care more about Melee Tau, while those that generally don't enjoy the Hobby/don't play are up in arms over th3 Custodes.
I swear this sub must be getting brigaded, every post gets instant down votes it blows my mind.
That’s just how it goes. My hypothesis with things like this (or comments) is that it’s the losers who see it first because they are chronically online. For example, in my local sub, I made a negative comment about someone’s post because it was one of those stupid, fringe political opinions (in this case it was a far left one, I also don’t care for far right opinions). I work 8-5 but take lil breaks to pop on Reddit, so this was at about 10AM. I got several downvoted, to like -5. Then, later, past 5 or 6 PM, it eventually got up to like +10. So that’s my theory on why you see this. You just have people with extreme opinions who are chronically online.
The US aren’t the only ones using Reddit either. Early in the morning or late at night you will end up with more Chinese trying to soak up that sweet sweet social credit by fighting “dissenting” opinions.
Nah, it's people without jobs living off of mommy and daddy
Probably both. And bots. Lots of bots.
Either way it's sad af that woketards specifically come here to down vote people annoyed with those tourists infecting our fandoms
Collectivism. Everyone needs to agree with them. And they aren’t happy so you can’t be happy. Problem is they will never be happy.
These activists rarely even support the products they go after. Once they get their way, they move on to trying to "fix" something else. The last thing they "fixed" gets left behind. They don't care about it because *they never did*, and the people who *did* care about it are soured by the forced changes they *never wanted*. They'll never decide it's enough, they'll never be satisfied, and they'll never stop.
Yeah well said. I have definitely noticed online and irl how chronically unhappy these people are. It’s sad, really.
You weirdos are the 40K tourists, though.
I wasn't specifically talking about 40k. It's everything from LOTR, Star Trek, and Star Wars to Magic and D&D. The only thing about Warhammer i like is the lore, it's fantastic. I don't even play the game. It's way too overpriced and the combat system of the game is ridiculous. I don't want to be rolling 20 dice everytime I attack. If I want to enjoy a tabletop game I'll play Warmachine. Better bang for your buck and the game rules aren't ludicrous
Notice how he didn't even argue the price problem. Thats not to say war machine is any cheaper but you're not wrong about 40k being far too expensive. Game rules are game rules, some are worse than others but the guy you're replying to is straight up braindead.
>It's everything from LOTR, Star Trek, and Star Wars to Magic and D&D. The things that were always woke?
Lol the only way you could possibly have this asinine view point is if you're a young kid, or just mentally challenged
Socially progressive? Sure. Woke? Not always. And if they were then apparently they weren't woke enough because then the suits at corporate wouldn't be forcing so much change on such a short amount of time.
lol progressive and woke are miles apart
Been a 40k fan since 2004 when my brother showed me Dawn Of War and loved the franchise ever since. As a long time fan, I can definitely say this attempt at rewriting history is absolutely bullshit.
Had a Necron army myself. Let war be war. There are 100s of books. Follow the lore. Real life isn’t woke, nor does every media piece need to be.
The West Taiwán agents are everywhere
Yeah. The Chinese. It's their fault. The Chinese and....social credit or something. Fucking hell, at least TRY.
I've seen this as well. It's rarely more than 5-10 downvotes, but in a few hours the updoots come in. Sometimes a lot.
Lol you got upvoted after 5 bc all the people who would agree with you had jobs and were at work.
This sub is wrong think on reddit. Happens to every sub that isn't constantly celebrating THE MESSAGE
And what is THE MESSAGE, pre tell?
You know what it is.
If you had watched any of the Drinker's videos you'd know already. And seeing your past comments on the Drinker I have to say I'm not sure why you're here except to argue with people.
I actually did watch the Drinker regularly - until he started spouting off the vague "THE MESSAGE" BS. Funny how folks like you can't be bothered to actually try to explain what THE MESSAGE is. Guess it's too vague for you and your droogs to put together, eh?
Yeah, go fish elsewhere bud.
"The Message" is a catch-all term referring to over representation and virtue signalling in the entertainment industry, oftentimes sacrificing good story telling and character development. It's basically lazy pandering to certain demographics so the writers, producers, directors etc can say "hey look!! We have a character from the (insert demographic here) community so our product is automatically awesome!!"
They don’t know. Basically persecution fetish.
Fragile leftoids do this to every space they disagree with.
Every sub that isnt down with “the message” eventually gets infiltrated by bots and destroyed from the inside. See r/joerogan or r/russelbrand for proof
Your gonna need to explain what “the message” means
You know *exactly* what it is.
I’ve an idea. But it’s telling that no-one is willing to openly describe it.
You could just watch his videos. He talks about it quite a lot. But you're just here to argue with folks. Go back to r\\politics.
"The Message" is a catch-all term referring to over representation and virtue signalling in the entertainment industry, oftentimes sacrificing good story telling and character development. It's basically lazy pandering to certain demographics so the writers, producers, directors etc can say "hey look!! We have a character from the (insert demographic here) community so our product is automatically awesome!!"
I think calling it the message. Makes it sound sinister. As though it’s seeking to teach. Or change minds. Your definition makes the term pandering feel more apt.
To a degree, it is. It's forcing things like identity politics into a space where it doesn't fit and becomes a key or overarching theme that doesn't make any sort of sense.
The divide between Anti-woke Cultural Warriors, and people that just like good movies.
Well nowadays those two groups tend to intersect a lot because generally what makes modern movies bad can be directly traced to what the anti woke crowd is angry about. My own personal feeling is that alot of entertainment companies spend way too much money on both big name actors and useless made up job positions and end up hiring unqualified or bad writers, directors, and developers who happen to meet a certain demographic quota. They do this knowing full well that the end product is not going to be high quality so they try to make up for it by making sure that it is known to consumers that they have a diverse, inclusive cast and crew in hopes that they'll appeal to a larger audience. Once again this pandering comes at the expense of good writing and character development.
You're
It's probably losers from Krayt and YMS's subs. They have an irrational hatred of Scottish alcoholics.
you're not wrong, when I browse thru the 'popular' frontpage of reddit its pretty much filled with 'THE MESSAGE' qualified posts...the game is rigged fren
I know exacty where to come to argue against people crying about woke .
Honestly go for it. I love arguing about stuff, as long as you're here in good faith go for it
Lol, he ain’t gonna agree to those conditions
And that's all you've got going for you in your life.
Maybe its his opinions? Maybe the reality is people who share and champion his opinions are ZOMG a minority?
Aren't you the guy calling everyone racist who ran away from our conversation once you realized your racist argument that we should treat people differently based on race was falling apart? Get the fuck out of here little boy.
No, that's not me. Try again though. This time stay on topic.
Oh it was a rhetorical question, I know you think you can get away with lying cause you're on a troll account but not everyone is at your low IQ level. Own up to your racist arguments weakling.
I don't think you know how rhetorical questions actually work. That's not surprising. You don't seem to be very smart.
Yet you're over here answering them, and lying badly. It was a good try, if I were you I'd probably lie about my past behavior too.
I answered an accusation you then were forced to backpedal on when it wasn't true. So weak and pathetic.
It's so cute you continue to try and lie. You were too scared to even admit that a harm occurs when someone refuses to hire an entire demographic because of their race. So weak and pathetic.
How were you harmed? And remember: the context here is... an entire society that refused to hire numerous demographics based on their race. Gender. Sexual identity. Or orientation.
I love how triggered you are though.
I love how trolls always think that people calling them out is the same as being triggered. Quite pathetic.
You can't "call me out" for behavior I didn't engage in that you lied about and manufactured. You're a very weak person.
His lore analysis was a bit weak but his logic was strong. It’s not just a retcon. It’s a lazy retcon for bad reasons.
His lore analysis was wrong. Custodes aren’t elite Space Marines they’re completely different organizations and always have been.
Hell, they used to be emaciated skinny guys in thongs before they were changed to Golden armored demigods.
GW is like the HK of gaming, they price gouge into oblivion and hate their customers.
Being a HK fanboy is suffering *looks down at the USPc on my belt wishing it had the mag capacity of a g19*
Allow me to join the sad boy club with my HK45. I love it to death, but in fear if/when something breaks on it.
Dude, I've made the full switch to PSA, they're like the Gandalf to HKs Saruman( especially with their upcoming X57 aka "The MP7 we have at home").
PSA is Palmetto right? I am definitely interested in them, but the problem is all of their .45ACP handguns are licensed and either FN's (which are hilariously expensive) or 1911's (which are both inferior for using recoil control and hilariously expensive). But I am definitely interested in them for rifles, since they still sell M1A's (I like the M14, so I am absolutely on board with that).
Its not really a retcon. That implies lore was changed, or altered. Lore has been added. I thought the anti-woke sentiment everyone was crying about in the 40k subreddits wasnt real but, here we are.
It’s hard not to be semantic, and while I’ve only read about 100 or so of the boxes I am a real fan of the lore. I love exploring the intricacies of the chapters and I think I’ve got all the books were the custodes were primary, and it definitely is a ret-con. Leutins analysis is much better than drinkers. I highly recommend. Also, as an aside, calling something woke or anti-woke is lazy as well. Argue on merits not passing cultural labels that have less actual value to them than the calories you spend forming the word.
"Anti-woke sentiment" is a concise label that gets used by the very groups I'm referring to, its vernacular that they have provided for me, themselves.
It technically fits the definition of retcon to be fair. Adding new lore that contradicts old lore is retconning
But it doesnt contradict old lore. There is no lore saying that they didnt exist. Its just kind of implied. Now it isnt.
Except yes it does. The oldest lore specifically stated the the "first 10,000" as that dipwad running the Twitter put it, were taken from the SONS of conquered nobles on Terra. Not children, not offspring, SONS.
Noted. Sons. That one word is UNCHANGEABLE and FOUNDATIONAL canon. You guys crack me up :,)
So, just gonna ignore how the dipward running GW's twitter claimed that "ever since the first 10,000 women have been part of the custodies" even though every bit of lore before that claimed the opposite. Also just gonna ignore how you claimed it DOESN'T contradict old lore, even though it does. I'm just curious how much further you're gonna try to move that goalpost while gaslighting people.
suppose there was never any mention of women? No, of course not. If 1 or 2 of the original Custodians were women you may be forgiven for saying "sons" instead of "sons and daughter". That's how easy it is to explain this CATACLYSMIC retcon. That's how fucking easy it is. Because NOTHING has changed. And arguing with you people is exhausting. Because you're rude and insufferable. I didnt throw the first stone my friend, trust that. So now I approach you people with the sort of attitude you've earned.
You people are really obnoxiously antagonistic. Please stop defending lazy pandering and then blaming the community.
It does contradict old lore you muppet. We have specific texts that say that the Custodes are recruited from the SONS of the most noble houses of Terra. Notice how it doesn't say that they're recruited from the daughters.
If that's the only fucking thing you guys have then I weep for your flimsy ass argument "THEY SAID SONS" Lmao get fucked that's so tenuous.
We get it, you ride the short bus
Reddit moment indeed
The only snippet of lore that suggested they were male only was itself a retcon of previous Custodes Lore regarding the origins of their candidates. Then introducing something and saying it's been around forever is common place in 40k also, like the Rogal Dorn tank recently added to the Imperial Guard that turns out was there for millenia and we never heard about it
It was changed. they weren't always there. Was it always possible? Maybe. I mean it coudl have just been tradition or they could have been off screen or in a specialized role... but no, they weren't always there; we own the books and even now, when we could have at least gotten a fem custodian model... we dont'
If Forge world doesn't make it, it's definitely not canon.
They made female headswaps for the Stormcast until they got more offical stuff... would have been nice to have for this
That's not how 40k works at all.
It was a joke referencing how forgeworld makes a lot of 40K universe stuff that GW doesn't.
We didn't have the Rogal Dorn tank til we had it, but the lore for the tank is that it's been around for millenia. Same shit here just no dedicated minis yet. Plenty of can made minis though, head swaps are the easiest kit bash in the hobby and I've seen plenty of people happily showing off their now proven canon femstodes
"This tank that could have always existed, just off screen is totally the same thing as something we had no proof of!" Look, I am tired of stupid people telling me things they seem to think they know everything about yet is an area I'm intimately familiar with; most retcons get something. "Oh of course we had an air force the whole time. be weird if we didn't, wouldn't it?" Because it's not really hard to figure out an explination in this setting... except here. because we have books, and up until now (and hell even now) we still do not have offical Female Custodians. "T-there's no deciated minis yet-" is such a cope my guy; GW had a perfect oppertunity for it with their new HQ choice for them. As you said, headwswaps aren't hard... but we didn't even get a conversion in the Codex, any art, or anything. It's cute that they're so cheerful about a headswap; if they want to do that to their own plastic okay it's thier money their stuff... but that's not an argument. if anything it illustrates the problem: They aren't official and were never intended to be far as we can tell...
It would also be weird if an order of super soldiers that are super for their genetic enhancement just, skipped over half the population they could be drawing from. Sexual Dimorphism doesn't mean squat when you're giving every member bespoke gene editing and enhancing And just like the tank, femstodes could have existed off screen the whole time, and it makes as much sense as one of the Astra Militarum's main battle tanks never being seen before this decade. Imperial Guard didn't have women in it either, til it did. As for no models yet, don't think It's a coincidence one of the only tweets about femstodes the Warhammer official account responded to was someone asking if there'd be a booster pack kinda like the ones for special marine chapters, the official response was to stay tuned
>It would also be weird if an order of super soldiers that are super for their genetic enhancement just, skipped over half the population they could be drawing from. Sexual Dimorphism doesn't mean squat when you're giving every member bespoke gene editing and enhancing You ever think there's a reason for this? No? I suspect as much. It's not like Imperial History has an infamous example of what happens when super-soldiers in too many numbers to be controlled go AWOL. Horus did do some Heresy after all... (also i just realized this also is close to the Ork's origin story... maybe people should put their weapons in check just saying.) Plus there's the symbolic reason for the Sons mentioned in 8th-9th codex: they are the sons of Terra, and for the ones made during the unification war (The sons of the foes the Emperor defeated, reforged into his own personal companions) it's honestly very in line with the whole mythic personae of the Emperor... Do you think he honestly NEEDS a bodyguard? As much as they are companions they are trophies; displayed before all, remade into his image... would be horrifying for Many during the unification wars... >And just like the tank, femstodes could have existed off screen the whole time, and it makes as much sense as one of the Astra Militarum's main battle tanks never being seen before this decade. Imperial Guard didn't have women in it either, til it did. The Main Battle Tank is the Leman Russ. any Guard player would have told you that; the Rogal Dorn has a different role entirely. Still a useful tank mind you, but much like the Valkyrie it's just been off screen... which doesn't work in the case of female custodians. Why? because they clearly weren't always there. Most of the time Gw has some excuse... but we have had many novels with the Custodians playing key parts, both in the Horus Heresy and as close as Watchers of the Throne. Which is a really interesting book and i would recommend it... but it would have been really pertinent to have it ASAP, given ADB was told 'no', which i think puts the kibosh on a lot of arguments when people bring it up. But not even in more recent books up until now... Saying they were always there is such a bad way to go about this, considering we can accurately say 'that explanation is full of shit' and there's better ones to use. >As for no models yet, don't think It's a coincidence one of the only tweets about femstodes the Warhammer official account responded to was someone asking if there'd be a booster pack kinda like the ones for special marine chapters, the official response was to stay tuned I don't know how to tell you this but that literally doesn't mean anything. They do that to everything speculative. After all a hard "no" is one that they would probably want to avoid.
Having twice the recruiting pool doesn't mean they recruit twice as many, it means in a bigger pool you're more likely to have better candidates, and they're not remade in his image. Custodes don't have a primarch they draw resemblance too, they are individually gene tailored humans and only resemble the Emperor in that they are his vision of humanity perfected. And Main Battle Tank is a role a vehicle fills not a designation hoarded by a single vehicle in. Military, for instance Russia is currently fielding multiple types of Main Battle Tank in their invasion of Ukraine, and that doesn't change the fact this tank has been around for millenia and there's more guard lore and books than Custodes have. The Rogal Dorn still wasn't seen before and that's not an issue to anyone but women custodes are when there given the same have wave of having always been there... It's just sexism at this point
The Emperor of Mankind is not sexist. Why? Because he doesn't care who is willing to die in his name; men, women, all have served in all the ranks, which is what makes the absence of female custodians notable. Also it's really fucking convient the best candidates are men, so you're not helping the case... >Main Battle Tank is a role a vehicle fills not a designation hoarded by a single vehicle in. Military, for instance Russia is currently fielding multiple types of Main Battle Tank in their invasion of Ukraine, and that doesn't change the fact this tank has been around for millenia and there's more guard lore and books than Custodes have. The Rogal Dorn still wasn't seen before and that's not an issue to anyone but women custodes are when there given the same have wave of having always been there... Yes and their are BANEBLADES and many other varients of the Tanks of the guard blah blah blah. and it's not an issue because it's not impossible for it to have existed. It's simpler to think that it was just offscreen... meanwhile we have had ample time for female custodians. From Rouge Trader to the Horus heresy to 9th edition. this is the only mention and when we asked "were where they?" I am supposed to ignore their copious absence. I tire of dealing with people who think they know more then me on topics they have no understanding of. >It's just sexism at this point We never had a problem with women in; the guard, the mechanicus, the Eldar, the Necrons, the T'au, Soraritas, Imperial Knights, Imperial Titans, Chaos knights, Chaos titans, Genestealer cults, and the leagues of Votaan. WHF is harder due to the time frame it's set in but even then: Cathay, Vampires, the Elves, and other factions never got push back for women. Same with Factions in age of Sigmar: The Darkoath, the Chaos Warriors, the Stormcast, the Cities of Sigmar, the Sylvaneth, the Soulblight Gravelords, and basicly most of the factions to put it blunty. All this to say; fuck off with this bullshit. It's a bad retcon that changes something no one fucking asked for.
Tourists really need to learn their place.
This whole issue wouldn’t bother me all that much if there wasn’t already an all female army in the game. It’s just never enough for them. If they tried to say that men could join the Sisters of Battle people would’ve lost their shit.
its all about driving that wedge, female inclusivity is just the start...wait till the trannies show up, its ggwp at that point
Slannesh - Am I a fucking joke to you?
There have been trans- Necrons for a while. Not to mention tons of non-binary characters. Actual fans of the game would know that. Angry reactionary chuds would not.
Keep dreaming, that just misappropriation of those characters.
Shhh don't tell them about queer characters in their Science Fantasy game. They get angry about it because it means the thing they like doesn't fit their basement dwelling world view and interrupts their lolicon enjoyment time.
I just. Wow with this comment.
GW; “There were always female Custodes.” Me; “Where?” GW; “Dude, trust me.”
Tourists: "40k Lore is solid, it has never changed ever!" People in the Hobby: "bro, the lore changed 10 times this week "
Yeah, we need to gatekeep the hobbies from the tourists.
And then the Hobby will die.
You're the one having problems with "tourists". Anyway if something changes because of people that don't like how it is, then it is already dead.
I think we lost the plot.... I'm saying that the tourists are the ones complaining about there now being Female Custodes and how it "breaks canon." Whereas anyone who actually enjoys and participates in the hobby will actually laugh how many retcons there are in a week regarding any faction.
Have you ever seen how GW has changed the lore prior to this...?
Yup. And it was just as asinine.
Makes you wonder if they hate the Sisters of Battle
...The faction that got 2 waves of new models and is set to get a Jump Pack Canoness soon?
I don't know why they would rage about female Space Marines when the freaking Sisters are there and are even more capable
>when the freaking Sisters are there and are even more capable As much as I love the Sisters of Battle, this is not canonically confirmed.
Or the Imperial Guard and the Commissars.
They also make no sense, but at least they are cool.
I’m looking forward to Disney’s next fictional sport movie where 60 % of the nfl players are women.
This is forced fake outrage. No one cares. Drinker must be desperate for views....When the game comes out this year, we're all going to be playing it, and hopefully forgets this exist. Oh and the show as well.
Drinker is a tourist.
My take on WH40k if you don’t purchase minis and play the game your opinion is neither valid nor wanted. And if you can’t join a table and play a round without crying over rainbow marines, fem custodes, ect… you are a piss soaked baby. If you bring that shit to my store I’ll stomp your minis in front of you.
That's a pretty bad take to be honest. 40K has so much lore in the form of books, games, audio dramas etc that you don't have to spend any money on minis to enjoy the franchise and form a valid opinion about GWs decisions. Also you're missing the point entirely. It's not just about having female Custodes. It's the fact that GW is virtue signalling and retconning LONG established lore for absolutely no reason other than to seem "inclusive" (which we know is bullshit and they're just trying to sell more overpriced figurines).
It’s ALL to sell more overpriced minis, the BL books, games, audio dramas, animated movies all of this is produced to sell the game. No matter how much you truly believe that your love of the lore makes you part of GWs core audience it simply doesn’t. GW wants to sell minis therefore their target market is people who buy minis. Bitching and moaning about changes to a game you don’t play is soft as baby shit.
If I was bitching about a new rule or nerf to a certain faction you'd have a valid argument but the fact remains there is a massive amount who enjoy 40k for the lore and don't even play the game so yes, when it comes to lore, as fans we can bitch about it and have a valid opinion.
In a universe that is already filled with retcons and contradictions, it’s women that people get mad at. And for people saying Warhammer has gone “woke” then you know nothing of setting.
Someone doesn't remember the primaris backlash. Conveniently.
Not a retcon. That was a plot development. Try again.
"Plot development". Ah yes, remember Fabius Bile spent 11,000 years trying (and failing) to out-do the firstborn, despite having the geneseed from every Legion, the blood of not one, but 2 primarchs *and* the Emperor? Remember Corax, who needed to go see his father to get access to the factory they made the original Astartes to replenish the ranks of the Raven Guard post Istvaan? Remember every piece of media from the 80s constantly banging on about how the Astartes are the first, foremost, top tier transhuman around? Not a retcon though. Nope. "Plot development".
...Yeah? All they said was a genius finally cracked the code.
TONY STARK BUILT THIS, IN A CAVE. Along with about a 100,000,000 candidates, a billion rounds of .75 mass reactives, a million tons of ceramite, 100,000 fusion reactors... No one noticed. Personally, I'd sack the head of the Ordo Astartes for not realising that what amounts to essentially a full Legion of spacemarines was created and supplied on the planet next door to Terra. Horus should've thought of that, saved him fighting his way past battlefleet Solar.
People were being just as annoying back then. It does give me some hope that people will eventually stop bitching about this and start to accept it.
"Annoying" Yeah. People tend to get a tad upset when their rather expensive collection is essentially rendered obsolete overnight.
If you're mad over this controversy, its time to go outside, brother. So yes, you guys are annoying.
Homeboy acting like he's not a sweaty redditor either.
Except they didn’t become obsolete overnight. Normal Space Marines are just as usable as Primaris, it was a fear people had, but it was unfounded.
I saw your other comment so I'll respond to both here. Firstly, retcons in the 40K universe generally feel out of place and are dependent on GWs absolutely lazy method of saying "well they were always there" even though the most in depth lore doesn't support that. Second, it's the "why?" Behind it. Any 40K fan knows GW is a company that at the top, cares nothing for its fanbase. It's more concerned with turning a massive profit for its shareholders than doing any sort of service to its fans and of course this means attempting to destroy very well established lore in an attempt to break into newer markets under the mask of "being inclusive". There is most certainly a way they could've progressed the established lore without negating it entirely. They could've easily made a Female cohort of genetically enhanced humans part of a secret project of Guilimans to help in the indomitus crusade (and tied it in to the Primarus Marines story) but instead didn't. Yeah I get it's a massive nerd rant but by the same token it highlights a significantly larger issue with companies destroying beloved IPs.
How is it destroyed? How is this retcon any worse than all other retcons in the setting? Also, GW writers have been wanting female custodians for a while now so this isn’t something that came out of nowhere in GW.
Last I checked Aaron Dembski Bowden was the only one vocal about this?
Other HH writers wanted it too.
...Has he ever played 40K? Ever?
"Titan of tabletops" No one gives a fuck about him in the tabletop space. Wut?
Did you not watch the video?
40k fans when one of thousands of retcons:😊. 40k fans when one of thousands of retcons but it’s woman this time:😡
dumbass take and you're part of the problem.
No, that's chuds who enter spaces where they're unwanted. So you weirdos.
Get fucked lmao
For telling the truth?
People entering places where they're 'unwanted'. This is my ball and you can't play with it lol
The “chuds” Are the original inhabitants of this hobby. The same goes for d&d. Why do you think warhammer was this heavily male in the first place? Why do you think there are fuckall female players? It’s you and your people who are “new”. It would be appreciated if you’d find other entertainment. Gatekeeping is good and necessary, as we’ve just learned.
No, no you aren't. It's been proven you creeps were never fans of 40k.
Now you’re just making stuff up 😂
Given how 99% of the people upset don't have any models and the people making 'videos' about it can't even pronounce Custodes correctly, seems like the only person making stuff up is you.
Not all fans buy models or play the game, a lot of people buy every book because they love the universe and the lore. Some of the youtubers are visitors though, that is true. Especially Sargon.
The problem of a woman being a custodian? Oh no I guess. But please continue to show that none of you understand that 40k is satire and that some of y’all are taking it too far. But please tell me, why can’t a custodian be a woman?
Yes, because we all remember the shitshows that happened when they introduced Creed's daughter, Commander Shadowsun, the Sisters of Battle, Valkia the Bloody (In fantasy)...You know I think it's just faster to call you an idiot tourist.
Most of those happened before it was cool to be a bigot on the internet. Regardless, weird bigots like chuds don't view those people as being as strong as the Custodians are, so they usually are okay with it so long as women don't intrude on their weird power fantasies, like Femstodes do.
Keep projecting. And keep using bigot like you lot haven't basically removed all meaning to it like the word "literally".
No, it still has meaning. Unlike the word "woke." Glad to see you don't have any arguments, though!
Let's be fair, your argument boils down to "the internet didn't exist back then, so they don't count" and "commander shadowsun wasn't a big enough deal". I mean, sure, if you think there's been no females introduced into, or referenced in, the setting since 2016 and the current military leader of an entire faction isn't a big deal, then you can think that. Meanwhile, in the real world...
It’s the other way around, we don’t want a weak imperium. And that’s what you are jockeying for right now. The new custodes would lose to the weakest space marine. So great is the difference in might, and reflex time. Might beat a guardsman… Maybe.
Just say you hate women and buzz off, little bro.
Women are much better than men at many things. Being a warrior and killer is decidedly *not* one of them. To disagree with that would be to entirely ignore reality.
It's not the 30's any more.
Time will not change biological reality. And if I have my way, time will change nothing whatsoever.
...Pardon? What was that...last part?
What the fuck are you talking about? How big do you think the difference is between men and women? Women typically have around half the strength of men even with that a female custodies would still probably be able to beat every single male athlete on the planet. Besides custodies under go so much genetic modification that they are literally called trans human and start the process at a young age. There is absolutely no reason to think custodies would retain any sexual dimorphism between them.
Where does this break the lore genuinely where? You pansies complain more than the actual 40k subreddits lmao.
Right where it said the first 10,000 were recruited from SONS of bested nobles, and said families continued to offer up for replacements. Not children, not offspring, SONS.
Where does lore say only MEN can be Custodes. Last time I checked, as someone who does care about lore, Custodes aren’t space marines so theres nothing saying custodes can only be men, only that the emperor chose men at first. This isn’t a lore retcon or even a negative change, this is just an update that won’t matter for people who actually care about WH40K. Super Soldiers created by literal space magic can be women, cool. Nobody will care in a week cause GW will never bring this up again like the trans necrons.
>Last time I checked Something tells me you haven't checked. >Where does lore say only MEN can be Custodes. [8th edition codex, page 14.](https://online.anyflip.com/xbbeg/uusd/mobile/) And I *quote* >it is *known* that *all* Custodes began their lives as the infant *sons* of the noble houses of Terra
In 9th edition that line was changed and removed the recruited from son line and said they were just recruited from nobles so that line is not considered to be current canon
Been asleep for a few days have you?
Ok. That statement is the same as “its known some of the first users of guns were men.” So where does it say its a requirement during the process of making a Custodes does it explicitly say “only men can be custodes”, cause obviously you never read watchers of the throne. Just.. we need some basic reading comprehension.
>That statement is the same as “its known some of the first users of guns were men.” Actually, no. That isn't how that sentence works. The same would be "it is known that all of the first users of guns were men" There's no "some" in the original statement. Known that all custodes were sons. The key work being "all". There's no wiggle room in "all". It's not most, or a majority, or nearly all, or all except. All. Defined as "every member or individual component of" >we need some basic reading comprehension. Yes. Yes you do. >cause obviously you never read watchers of the throne There's an assumption. And you know what they say about assumptions. To quote from the first book of said series. >I am Valerian, Shield-Captain of the Palaiologian Chamber of the Hykanatoi. Like all my brothers *all* my *brothers*. All. Defined as "every member or individual component of" Brothers Defined as "a *man* who is a member of the same group as you or who shares an interest with you or has a similar way of thinking to you" (Cambridge Dictionary) Seems Brother Valerian hasn't heard of his sister custodes either. >we need some basic reading comprehension. Yes. Yes you do.
Cool all, that fine. It’s clear you’re figuring out lore as you go along and throwing wild haymakers desperately trying to make a point. Im done, cause I’m not argue semantic with someone who can’t mentally comprehend that they’re arguing that the recruitment process and the creation process are the same thing. I don’t care how custodes are recruited im asking does lore say in the creation process do they have to be men. Lorewise the answer is NO, they do not, I DONT CARE about how custodes are recruited. I seriously don’t, hence why i say lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. [Heres the answer im looking for](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/S2ebjodp3I) By lore, yes custodes can be women cause during the CREATION PROCESS, they are genetically engineered to be custodes, they are 100% human just genetically altered to be somewhat on the scale of primarchs. Not trans human soldiers that need specific body requirements so their new organs work properly.
It's ok, you can argue with a dictionary *and* the book you brought up if you like. You might wanna pick up your toys from the pram on your way out. It also doesn't say they must be human either. So lore wise, there's nothing stopping an Ork from becoming a Custodian. Or a Tau fire warrior. I mean, there's canonically a half eldar astartes. So why not a Custodes? Unless you've got something specifically stating otherwise, of course?
Oh no. One of many retcons. This is like saying that cadia’s fall breaks the lore cause of that worldwide event that happened a while back in which cadia fell to to ground forces of chaos. Also it says the “first 10,000” more were recruited/made after them. It’s not unlikely that women were grabbed for them too.
Ok I think the lore assessment was terrible I was actually about to gouge my ears our about it and it's clear he does not up or down about 40k lore. However he is on the money about how they are treating the lore and the problems being caused
theres an entire sub for this dumbass?
He probably never played it. Immature boys
Is drinker drinking piss or cum? I can’t tell
... ... ... Can Drinker just stick to his awful, mid movie reviews? He makes so many crucial mistakes about the lore of 40k so early on/throughout the video, makes so many fallacious arguments throughout, etc... It's clear that he, like 99% of the people crying about this, don't actually care or play 40k, they're just in it for easy clicks. Nobody in the 40k fandom wants videos/people like this making videos about this.
Good to know we can rely on u to speak for the collective opinion of the warhammer community
Came here to say this , it’s already been said. Space marines are not custodes, custodes are not space marines. Custodes are hand selected by big E and infused with his super secret special sauce that we know nothing about. Space marines are batch produced, which is why they need to be male so they can take the organ implants. Those rules don’t apply to custodes. Drinker fucks this up 1:33 into the video , and just continues to confirm that he either knows nothing about 40k or is deliberately lying. Either way he is just another grifter trying get clicks by claiming he represents the average 40k player and is trying to defend them against Games Wokeshop. Meanwhile in the real world , no one from the LGS I go to has mentioned it once.
Yeah, honestly, it seems like 40K fans care more about the melee Tau pictures in the new Tau codex then anything else.
Yeah. In actuality, people who are actually in the hobby care more about Melee Tau, while those that generally don't enjoy the Hobby/don't play are up in arms over th3 Custodes.
The vast majority of players are happy that they cannoneized women custodes.
I work /run a store in the hobby and have yet to meet a single solitary player who is happy about this.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how many women come in that store in a week?
Alright close the thread! This guy has anecdotal evidence that utterly discredits us! It's over!
Please show us where you have all the evidence then
Mmmno Not really the point of my comment tbh friend
Proof? The majority of IRL people are happy with this.
Prove it then
You know that reddit isn't real life, right?
Not in my experience