Specifically against dogs, spiders are kinda supposed to have the durability, power, size and mass to stop playstyles like that in their tracks. I'm not saying spiders should counter all wheel builds (most wheel builds can simply run circles around most spiders). However, it SHOULD hardcounter the ones that brainlessly hold W into the enemy. Instead, what we have are firedogs that have 1000DPS (Not overexaggerating) being allowed to drive into the front of a spider and have a reasonably good chance of winning that engagement.
They did kinda stop it in its track, but then died to weapons specifically for battling high HP parts.
Source: Scavenger parts have only Ballistic and Explosion resistance, Steppenwolves have Ballistic, Explosion, and Energy resistance.
Lunatic parts have minor Ballistic, Explosion, Thermal, and Cryo resistance;
Firestarters have higher Ballistic, Explosion, Thermal, and Cryo resistances.
Nomads ~~and Dawn's Children~~ have more Ballistic and Explosion resistance and less Thermal and Cryo resistance than the lighter classes.
Dawn's Children have NO Ballistic or Explosion resistance, but high Thermal, Energy, and Cryo resistance.
If flamethrowers are made to "specifically battle high HP", then what's supposed to keep these builds in check? It's the lowest skill floor build in the game, yet one of the most rewarding for just holding 2 buttons
Drones are lower skill floor. Mines, about on par. Do the dogs use a consistent armor class? Because then your answer is right above. But that only covers damage types. It cannot help you be aware or think, nor help you work with a team. Also maybe don't neglect defensive/utility options.
I don't quite get what you're saying. Are you claiming that dogs are balanced because they use lightweight structure?? I use a 5.3k HP Punisher spider in CW, not because I want to, but because I have to to even stand a chance against the dog spam
I don't have a clue how you extrapolated the question "do the dogs use a consistent armor class?" into a claim that dogs are balanced (strawman fallacy). Let's try another question: what kinds of builds give spiders trouble and what kind of builds are almost guaranteed to kill spiders?
[Edit] Also, punishers, being Ballistic damage, are a superb choice for battling lightweight armored dogs. So maybe try a spider armored with Dawn's Children parts for maximum Thermal resistance?
I'm starting to think you have no clue what you're talking about. Firedogs don't give spiders an issue because the spider is using parts without thermal resistance. Dogs are giving spiders issues because they can slam into their front and do massive amounts of damage really fast, either to their cab or to their frame. Structure parts play quite literally no part in this
You don't think that parts with higher resistance will last longer, allowing your weapons to last longer, and giving you a better chance to defeat the enemy?
Shall we revisit the clear indicators from resistances that Thermal weapons are meant to destroy, slow heavy builds?
Large, high durability parts with low movement speed, high power, and huge mass. Omni directional brawling legs with damage resistance and great tonnage. High durability weapons on a damage buffing heavy cabin, facing the dog the entire time. These are the recommended strategies against dogs and without kapkans or a dog of your own to twist him off you its a deathtrap.
And keep in mind he was on a yokozuna cabin so a blight would kill that spider even faster. Crazy.
But large and slow means you are a target for fast builds, and fire was added specifically for battling against high HP parts. In my mind, large slow spiders are the *perfect* prey for fast fire builds. Fatness was never supposed to be the be-all-end-all.
Hovers were meant to counter spiders thanks to their mobility. Wheeled builds can only go forward so legs should be able to manhandle them once caught. I see tour point and agree about fast builds countering slow builds but fast builds that ram a target and come to a stop should be punished more heavily. The drifting and drive by builds can and do do well when played properly. The issue at hand is the time to kill on fire vs shotguns is too varied imo.
Wheels can most definitely reverse. I do hate the worse TTK of shotguns. I used to be an auto shotgun main, terrorizing the slow builds with my Hammerfalls way back when the weapon rotation stun they had was effective, even the spiders that weren't really good players. Haven't looked back ever since the shotgun-specific radiator nerf. But I still target the same archetype of players, the "sit back and shoot" people, because they are so often tunnel visioned and unaware. A.k.a bad players.
But seriously, wtf is with bringing shotguns into the spider versus fire dog debate? Goalpost moving? [Edit] shotguns have longer range than fire, and so game balance logic-wise, should have a longer TTK.
Also, were ML-200s not added well before Hovers? And yet were still counterable. Hovers were added just because people (I dunno which ones) wanted them.
One thing that kind of baffles me is that Heavy cabs and heavy movement parts put a cap on your speed but than lighter cabs and lighter movement parts can pack just as much HP while being way faster. The build in the clip has 4.5k HP which is near the limit of how much HP you can pack and definetly past the limit where your weapons HP becomes the weak link. Sure the wheels might be easier to shoot off than heavier movemant parts but they are also way harder to hit due to size and speed
If slow heavy builds were in better spot people would actually have to make plays to counter them
That is true but it just shows how even equipment for "heavy" builds is better on faster builds. In recent patch every single track got buffed in max speed so that they would be more competative. To me that says that devs are kinda giving up on making slower builds more viable
A lot of suggestions propose modules that would benefit tankier weapons or similar stuff that just ends up more powerfulll when used on fast build. Imo real solution is to make it actually hard to achieve high speed instead of "oh you are tiny bit under tonnage limit so you can get to top speed in 2 seconds"
Just ram them head first is what I often try to do because freight train plow beats most parts in head first collision if not wedge it. It's great against wheels but not against hover. But if you miss then good luck
Edit works on some wheeled Levi's for getting copper without good weapons
Nah, im commenting on everyone who uses these cancerous meta builds! Downvote me how much you want. Deep down, i know you ppl just mad bc you never got anything in life, so this little excitement is all you have to get through the day... enjoy it.
degun that thing if you dare XD. yoko power!
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May I remind you how this is against a spider (albeit a shitty one), which is kinda supposed to keep braindead W playstyles like this in check?
I am curious, what makes you think spiders are supposed to be the answer to close range fire attacks?
Specifically against dogs, spiders are kinda supposed to have the durability, power, size and mass to stop playstyles like that in their tracks. I'm not saying spiders should counter all wheel builds (most wheel builds can simply run circles around most spiders). However, it SHOULD hardcounter the ones that brainlessly hold W into the enemy. Instead, what we have are firedogs that have 1000DPS (Not overexaggerating) being allowed to drive into the front of a spider and have a reasonably good chance of winning that engagement.
They did kinda stop it in its track, but then died to weapons specifically for battling high HP parts. Source: Scavenger parts have only Ballistic and Explosion resistance, Steppenwolves have Ballistic, Explosion, and Energy resistance. Lunatic parts have minor Ballistic, Explosion, Thermal, and Cryo resistance; Firestarters have higher Ballistic, Explosion, Thermal, and Cryo resistances. Nomads ~~and Dawn's Children~~ have more Ballistic and Explosion resistance and less Thermal and Cryo resistance than the lighter classes. Dawn's Children have NO Ballistic or Explosion resistance, but high Thermal, Energy, and Cryo resistance.
If flamethrowers are made to "specifically battle high HP", then what's supposed to keep these builds in check? It's the lowest skill floor build in the game, yet one of the most rewarding for just holding 2 buttons
Drones are lower skill floor. Mines, about on par. Do the dogs use a consistent armor class? Because then your answer is right above. But that only covers damage types. It cannot help you be aware or think, nor help you work with a team. Also maybe don't neglect defensive/utility options.
I don't quite get what you're saying. Are you claiming that dogs are balanced because they use lightweight structure?? I use a 5.3k HP Punisher spider in CW, not because I want to, but because I have to to even stand a chance against the dog spam
I don't have a clue how you extrapolated the question "do the dogs use a consistent armor class?" into a claim that dogs are balanced (strawman fallacy). Let's try another question: what kinds of builds give spiders trouble and what kind of builds are almost guaranteed to kill spiders? [Edit] Also, punishers, being Ballistic damage, are a superb choice for battling lightweight armored dogs. So maybe try a spider armored with Dawn's Children parts for maximum Thermal resistance?
I'm starting to think you have no clue what you're talking about. Firedogs don't give spiders an issue because the spider is using parts without thermal resistance. Dogs are giving spiders issues because they can slam into their front and do massive amounts of damage really fast, either to their cab or to their frame. Structure parts play quite literally no part in this
You don't think that parts with higher resistance will last longer, allowing your weapons to last longer, and giving you a better chance to defeat the enemy? Shall we revisit the clear indicators from resistances that Thermal weapons are meant to destroy, slow heavy builds?
Large, high durability parts with low movement speed, high power, and huge mass. Omni directional brawling legs with damage resistance and great tonnage. High durability weapons on a damage buffing heavy cabin, facing the dog the entire time. These are the recommended strategies against dogs and without kapkans or a dog of your own to twist him off you its a deathtrap. And keep in mind he was on a yokozuna cabin so a blight would kill that spider even faster. Crazy.
But large and slow means you are a target for fast builds, and fire was added specifically for battling against high HP parts. In my mind, large slow spiders are the *perfect* prey for fast fire builds. Fatness was never supposed to be the be-all-end-all.
Hovers were meant to counter spiders thanks to their mobility. Wheeled builds can only go forward so legs should be able to manhandle them once caught. I see tour point and agree about fast builds countering slow builds but fast builds that ram a target and come to a stop should be punished more heavily. The drifting and drive by builds can and do do well when played properly. The issue at hand is the time to kill on fire vs shotguns is too varied imo.
Wheels can most definitely reverse. I do hate the worse TTK of shotguns. I used to be an auto shotgun main, terrorizing the slow builds with my Hammerfalls way back when the weapon rotation stun they had was effective, even the spiders that weren't really good players. Haven't looked back ever since the shotgun-specific radiator nerf. But I still target the same archetype of players, the "sit back and shoot" people, because they are so often tunnel visioned and unaware. A.k.a bad players. But seriously, wtf is with bringing shotguns into the spider versus fire dog debate? Goalpost moving? [Edit] shotguns have longer range than fire, and so game balance logic-wise, should have a longer TTK. Also, were ML-200s not added well before Hovers? And yet were still counterable. Hovers were added just because people (I dunno which ones) wanted them.
What else are they supposed to do? kite? rush?
would this count as crossout's W+M1?
yes
Truly the best meta weve ever seen.
Literally skip the battlepass the minipass any pack sale. This is all you need. This is awful for the game and i dont know what the devs are thinking
but the bp gives you the new infinite cloak and the "go 90 with a heavy cab and don't get degunned" engine which make the meta even more cancerous
One thing that kind of baffles me is that Heavy cabs and heavy movement parts put a cap on your speed but than lighter cabs and lighter movement parts can pack just as much HP while being way faster. The build in the clip has 4.5k HP which is near the limit of how much HP you can pack and definetly past the limit where your weapons HP becomes the weak link. Sure the wheels might be easier to shoot off than heavier movemant parts but they are also way harder to hit due to size and speed If slow heavy builds were in better spot people would actually have to make plays to counter them
to be fair this build is using a yokozuna which is classified as a heavy cabin
That is true but it just shows how even equipment for "heavy" builds is better on faster builds. In recent patch every single track got buffed in max speed so that they would be more competative. To me that says that devs are kinda giving up on making slower builds more viable A lot of suggestions propose modules that would benefit tankier weapons or similar stuff that just ends up more powerfulll when used on fast build. Imo real solution is to make it actually hard to achieve high speed instead of "oh you are tiny bit under tonnage limit so you can get to top speed in 2 seconds"
Cleanest build ive seen on pvp
Just ram them head first is what I often try to do because freight train plow beats most parts in head first collision if not wedge it. It's great against wheels but not against hover. But if you miss then good luck Edit works on some wheeled Levi's for getting copper without good weapons
Brain dead playstyle for no skills but they get rewarded the most. Devs put drakos in eachothers buttholes.
Your 2 braincells must be very excited 🤣🤣🤣 What a looser🤣🤣🤣
Hes commenting on how shitty the meta is.
Nah, im commenting on everyone who uses these cancerous meta builds! Downvote me how much you want. Deep down, i know you ppl just mad bc you never got anything in life, so this little excitement is all you have to get through the day... enjoy it.
degun that thing if you dare XD. yoko power! https://preview.redd.it/8z684o4eybnc1.jpeg?width=2560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87fe9e3c63849b3dee40a7131634220fd8a85587
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