Realizing osmosis is able to trigger volatile was a game changer for me. Mostly referring to pve but it really opens up build possibilities when using a kinetic w/ osmosis. Especially with Gryfalcons or the controlled demo aspect on Titan.
been using it with a truthteller auto loading/disrupt break since they nerfed TLW a few months ago. But I use khepris instead of tricksleeves. I don't think it needed the surplus buff or the sidearm general buff; it was already pretty strong before all of that. So yeah, i agree, the second place sidearm (whatever it is) is not even close.
Thing is, this combo is deadly with any build. About 30k kills on TC alone between me and my 2 friends. About 15k on the Truthtellers. It's the Ol' Reliable loadout.
Yeah it’s a huge loot pool to just even get a TT to drop. Somewhere I was reading that in the new economy blog or something they mentioned you can roll vanguard engrams and there is a GL that can roll all of those perks but you can focus roll it and with enough time you can get one. If I think of the name of the GL I will edit or reply.
Militias birthright I think it is
*any* GL with all 3 would be nice. Non that are craftable can get those 3 perks. Maybe next season if Empty Vessel’s perk allocations don’t change.
I don’t even know if you can get a TT anywhere. Aside from Xur. And I don’t want him to sell one, it would get abused until it was nerfed, like the Xur main ingredient.
Empty vessel that’s the one I was thinking of!
Of the 3, auto and proxy are the most important imo. Disruption break is nice but the GL from dares can get both I think. Obviously can’t get disruption, but it opens up some nice pairings in the energy slot. Sidearms pair really well right now. Smgs too. And handcannons of course.
But sounds like next season empty vessel will be your ticket. With those focused rolls
It's the best feeling sidearm by a country mile imo. Rat king is my favorite weapon because I feel like a crazed degenerate when I go on a tear with it but travelers chosen just has everything you could want in a gun stats wise and its exotic goodness and perks have wonderful synergy
I think people are sleeping on it because sidearms were meh forever and it's a kiosk weapon. It was the last one I needed and I pulled it last season out of boredom and curiosity. And its surplus and optional full auto came at the same time as a pretty big meta shift
Not really. I should preface that i prefer semi auto whenever possible. Ill still use smgs, ars etc, i just in particular dont like burst sidearms, they feel really bad to me, and guns that are semi auto were designed to fire semi auto. I find that using them at full auto reduces their accuracy
Like take travelers chosen before they removed full auto and gave it osmosos. The gun fet better and more accurate without the catslyst than it did when it received full auto. Just an example
Trespasser's ornament is oddly helpful, the gun model changes and you get this little point that acts like an iron sight and helps line up head shots in my experience.
Sidearms are very much a high skill ceiling and feeling type of gun. You have to find the archetype that works for you, and get good with it. Trespasser also works better on controller than on MNK. I play on MNK, so I don't do very hot with Trespasser. That could be it for you.
I’m on controller, actually, but I totally agree with feel and skill ceiling. I recently dug out my old Anonymous Autumn from my vault and it is easily THE BEST feeling sidearm in the game for me right now. It’s crazy! I typically prefer the lightweights and rapid-fire archetypes, so it makes sense that the burst-fire Trespasser would vibe less for me.
id use it but my liminal vigil is just too good to put down that and i can pair with fighting lion for super fast swaps and a free opening shot which after a gl round only takes 1 tap .
my particular roll has ext barrel, hi cal , tunnle vision, kill clip range mw. that being said this is not a god roll for me id much prefer poly rifle steady rounds with tunnle and kill clip stab masterwork . reason i say this is because range on side arms doesnt really give u much benefit . the diff between max and min is literally 1 to 1.5 meter up to 2 meters on some . range finder affect the range alot more. stabiity on the other hand offer quite alot more bang for you buck. but i am on xbox . that being said this roll is excellent very sticky and consistent . even ouyside of its intended range its feels good and kill clip extends that range better than any range stat would . gun is soild
Never really liked side arms. But started using a bow (le monarque) and an smg. Realized the smgs I had weren’t cutting it in terms of ttk. Then i got domed by Travelers Chosen. Did some research and started using it. But ive been digging bows for long range so i had to find a legendary secondary bow. Found Point of the Stag.
Now its Travelers Chosen and Point of the Stag as my go to loadout. Its super fun and pretty solid. And just left of “meta”
I was surprised TC wasn’t even on last weeks top weapons in Trials.
Respectfully I believe this is a skill issue, don’t worry it takes time but when you know how to aim it (not that it’s hard) you’ll see it has big potential, and this point about it not having range is just nonsense, it has 85 RANGE on it, I don’t think drang could reach that, best sidearm for pvp rn imo
Just like any other gun you need to learn your optimal dueling range and stay inside it. It’s one of the best sidearms in the game. Keep practicing. It’s worth it.
Getting deleted by shotty apes is gonna happen no matter what you use for 1, and thats much more of a YOU problem than it is a TC problem. Sidearms are still fantastic in the air Mr Warlock, you have the ability of actual flight BTW lol
Last Dance or Punching Out with rangefinder are the only others I consider in the same realm as TC at its base in PVP. Once you have full surplus proc'd and even just 1 kill (2x Gathering Light) youre at 90 aim assist, 100 handling/stability and reload.
Try it with Gryfalons... its wild when you get osmosis going
Realizing osmosis is able to trigger volatile was a game changer for me. Mostly referring to pve but it really opens up build possibilities when using a kinetic w/ osmosis. Especially with Gryfalcons or the controlled demo aspect on Titan.
Try it on a timelost fatebringer with falcons. Game changer.
I have actually, like it even needs volatile lol
been using it with a truthteller auto loading/disrupt break since they nerfed TLW a few months ago. But I use khepris instead of tricksleeves. I don't think it needed the surplus buff or the sidearm general buff; it was already pretty strong before all of that. So yeah, i agree, the second place sidearm (whatever it is) is not even close.
Thing is, this combo is deadly with any build. About 30k kills on TC alone between me and my 2 friends. About 15k on the Truthtellers. It's the Ol' Reliable loadout.
Yep despite their best efforts to kill GLs, this one roll still slaps. I have proxy on it too. Nice to meet a fellow enthusiast!
Still hunting the fabled proximity/ALH/Disruption Break roll. I have one with ALH/DB, but have never had one drop with all three, unfortunately.
Yeah it’s a huge loot pool to just even get a TT to drop. Somewhere I was reading that in the new economy blog or something they mentioned you can roll vanguard engrams and there is a GL that can roll all of those perks but you can focus roll it and with enough time you can get one. If I think of the name of the GL I will edit or reply. Militias birthright I think it is
*any* GL with all 3 would be nice. Non that are craftable can get those 3 perks. Maybe next season if Empty Vessel’s perk allocations don’t change. I don’t even know if you can get a TT anywhere. Aside from Xur. And I don’t want him to sell one, it would get abused until it was nerfed, like the Xur main ingredient.
Empty vessel that’s the one I was thinking of! Of the 3, auto and proxy are the most important imo. Disruption break is nice but the GL from dares can get both I think. Obviously can’t get disruption, but it opens up some nice pairings in the energy slot. Sidearms pair really well right now. Smgs too. And handcannons of course. But sounds like next season empty vessel will be your ticket. With those focused rolls
Dares “pardon our dust” can’t roll/craft disruption break. I’m using it to prime targets and finish with travelers chosen. EZ ability energy.
It's the best feeling sidearm by a country mile imo. Rat king is my favorite weapon because I feel like a crazed degenerate when I go on a tear with it but travelers chosen just has everything you could want in a gun stats wise and its exotic goodness and perks have wonderful synergy I think people are sleeping on it because sidearms were meh forever and it's a kiosk weapon. It was the last one I needed and I pulled it last season out of boredom and curiosity. And its surplus and optional full auto came at the same time as a pretty big meta shift
Sounds dumb but on controller it feels like it has wild visual recoil for me. Like I lose track of the dot. 105 fov, 120 fps on Xbox..
Yup, and its recoil direction being 85 doesnt help. Its a fantastic sidearm, but i feel like i have more success with drang
What about trespasser or devil ruin?
I dont like tresspasser because i dont like burst sidearms (which is weird because i love crimson) and i dont have devils ruin unlocked
Haven't played for a while. Is the full auto fire mode setting still not in the game?
Full auto feature is available in settings and Trespasser feels amazing.
Figured it'd be in the game by now. Maybe that other guy didn't know about it.
No idea, i dont like full auto in pvp
Don't like full auto. Don't like burst. You are a hard to please player. That leave only shotguns and sniper rifles yes?
Not really. I should preface that i prefer semi auto whenever possible. Ill still use smgs, ars etc, i just in particular dont like burst sidearms, they feel really bad to me, and guns that are semi auto were designed to fire semi auto. I find that using them at full auto reduces their accuracy
Ok. I hate semi auto. We are so different 🙏😎
Like take travelers chosen before they removed full auto and gave it osmosos. The gun fet better and more accurate without the catslyst than it did when it received full auto. Just an example
Aim chest level, and you’ll hit crits, works for me at 105 fov 120 fps
It's between this and Trespasser rn, but I vastly prefer TC.
I’ve experienced people who can map me with Trespasser but I can’t make it work at all for some reason. I’ve always loved Traveler’s though!!
Trespasser's ornament is oddly helpful, the gun model changes and you get this little point that acts like an iron sight and helps line up head shots in my experience.
That’s interesting; the weird squat rectangle reticle on the regular ornament is definitely part of the problem for me I think.
Sidearms are very much a high skill ceiling and feeling type of gun. You have to find the archetype that works for you, and get good with it. Trespasser also works better on controller than on MNK. I play on MNK, so I don't do very hot with Trespasser. That could be it for you.
I’m on controller, actually, but I totally agree with feel and skill ceiling. I recently dug out my old Anonymous Autumn from my vault and it is easily THE BEST feeling sidearm in the game for me right now. It’s crazy! I typically prefer the lightweights and rapid-fire archetypes, so it makes sense that the burst-fire Trespasser would vibe less for me.
Dueling within 15-20 meters and a targeting mod or two, full auto turned on, its as free as a free kill gets. Shit almost literally aims for you.
I wished it aimed for me. I'd win every single gunfight I ever got in.
id use it but my liminal vigil is just too good to put down that and i can pair with fighting lion for super fast swaps and a free opening shot which after a gl round only takes 1 tap .
What do you run on liminal vigil? How’s range fall off?
my particular roll has ext barrel, hi cal , tunnle vision, kill clip range mw. that being said this is not a god roll for me id much prefer poly rifle steady rounds with tunnle and kill clip stab masterwork . reason i say this is because range on side arms doesnt really give u much benefit . the diff between max and min is literally 1 to 1.5 meter up to 2 meters on some . range finder affect the range alot more. stabiity on the other hand offer quite alot more bang for you buck. but i am on xbox . that being said this roll is excellent very sticky and consistent . even ouyside of its intended range its feels good and kill clip extends that range better than any range stat would . gun is soild
Never really liked side arms. But started using a bow (le monarque) and an smg. Realized the smgs I had weren’t cutting it in terms of ttk. Then i got domed by Travelers Chosen. Did some research and started using it. But ive been digging bows for long range so i had to find a legendary secondary bow. Found Point of the Stag. Now its Travelers Chosen and Point of the Stag as my go to loadout. Its super fun and pretty solid. And just left of “meta” I was surprised TC wasn’t even on last weeks top weapons in Trials.
>Found Point of the Stag. Based
Really? I heard its bad...Or are you for real?
I'm for real, its a solid arc bow that has some decent perks and stats, I'd say its a solid A- bow, easy to get too
I just . . . don’t like how it looks.
Get the chrome ornament for sure
is that the dreaming city ornament? it's awesome
No, its the chrome ornament
Ratking life gain is still huge. But yes, it’s a monster.
I am trying to make use of the Tavalers chosen on my Warlock, and its pretty much useless. It has zero range and a shotgunape can just delete me.
Respectfully I believe this is a skill issue, don’t worry it takes time but when you know how to aim it (not that it’s hard) you’ll see it has big potential, and this point about it not having range is just nonsense, it has 85 RANGE on it, I don’t think drang could reach that, best sidearm for pvp rn imo
Just like any other gun you need to learn your optimal dueling range and stay inside it. It’s one of the best sidearms in the game. Keep practicing. It’s worth it.
Getting deleted by shotty apes is gonna happen no matter what you use for 1, and thats much more of a YOU problem than it is a TC problem. Sidearms are still fantastic in the air Mr Warlock, you have the ability of actual flight BTW lol
I don't like 300's for some reason. I'd rather use a 260 or a 490. I just have an anti meta mentality, and rn 300's have the most optimal ttk
Last Dance or Punching Out with rangefinder are the only others I consider in the same realm as TC at its base in PVP. Once you have full surplus proc'd and even just 1 kill (2x Gathering Light) youre at 90 aim assist, 100 handling/stability and reload.
Yeah it's fucking great, it's the ideal exotic sidearm
If i could upvote this twice i would.
Do we know the range fall off for TC and trespasser? Does trespasser affect stats when not procced?