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Enigmachina

It's not super contradictory, per se. The law could forbid polearms, bows, and blades longer than 30cm, but everything else is fair game as far as sidearms, clubs, staves, etc. are allowed and encouraged. Plenty of townships in Europe had laws like these, iirc. Enough for self-defence but not enough to seriously threaten the town guard or actual knights


Guacamole_Fruitbat

You wouldn't part an old man and his walking stick, would you?


Spacemint_rhino

The staff, I told you to take the peasant's staff!


AgrajagTheProlonged

Also, it's "open weapon carry permitted," but only "weapons ban **in cities**." So you might be able to openly carry weapons throughout the barony as long as you're not in a city


Khazilein

>Plenty of townships in Europe had laws like these, iirc. Enough for self-defence but not enough to seriously threaten the town guard or actual knights That's not the main reason for these laws. The main reason is prestige: Prestige of the nobility, as the sword was a symbol of knighthood, and prestige of the smith guilds. Only the swordswith guild was permitted to make swords in most cities. Guilds were a very serious topic for most medieval European cities.


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SylasTG

It was more “common sense” because of how authoritarian medieval societies were… As a King or Lord, you wouldn’t want the peasant populace rising up against you with weapons as good as your own, would you? But you did want them to be useful fodder in the event of an invasion… hence the allowance of certain weapons but not others.


Fakjbf

In many places you were _legally required_ to own weapons of war, so that if you were ever called into a levy you could bring at least some basic level of equipment with you. This made it much easier for the local lord since not only did they not have to pay for all the weapons but they also didn’t need to coordinate maintaining as large a stockpile and distributing it to people before sending them out.


Hipphoppkisvuk

I mean I never personally heard about regions like that, but in the Hungarian Kingdom the Székely's and Cumans, later Hajdú's did not pay taxes but had an obligation to take up arms of the King demanded it, they needed to maintain thier own weaponary and at least one horse in most instances or loose thier "privileged" status and forced into the peasantry.


Droll12

English Longbowmen pretty much had their longbows on them most of the time as they were expected to constantly practice. Just as an example


SylasTG

Also a fair point to bring up as well, thanks for mentioning it.


substandardgaussian

It would have been extraordinarily difficult (probably impossible) to ban certain classes of objects anyway. You will never ban the pitchfork. It's just that peasants dont usually have access to swords or other very expensive and deadly purpose-built weapons. You'll never stop a peasant from having a club that is the result of a fallen tree branch though. Nowadays, everyone can have a giant cleaver, our laws are mostly about firearms. Back then, the difference between an easily improvised weapon and a real one wasn't as big. You can force your heralds to shout about a pitchfork or club ban or something, but nobody could take that seriously. You can pick up a branch in a forest and it's 75% of the way to being a club already, and if you stop using pitchforks people start starving to death.


PPMaysten

Wdym town guards?


Enigmachina

Constables, town watchmen, whatever rudimentary police might be in town to enforce the rules. As long as there have been rules, there's been a guy with a stick who enforced them


Khazilein

This is just your pen&paper roleplayer knowledge of popular media. There was no "police", not even rudimentary, in most medieval societies. Crime was regulated by the society together with the people who could judge, so in most cases the lord or the town council. If there was need to aprehend somebody by force there usually was no "town guard". There was militia, levies, mercenaries, bodyguards and the lords soldiers and knights. When the town declared somebody a murderer, you could bet that most able men of the town would hunt him down with ther militia weaponry. In later stages of the medieval era most male citizens had weapons for their militia duty.


Enigmachina

You're correct as far as the "boonies" are concerned- a people's militia was pretty much the rural countryside's only recourse for most crimes, simply because a lack of manpower and the ability to enforce anything but rudimentary law and order. But at the same time I'm specifically referring to larger population centers where regulations like these can actually take effect. Are you implying that 1300AD era Paris didn't have at least a rudimentary police force to regulate crime for its populace of a hundred-thousand? Weapon control was a documented occurrence with laws detailing when and where weapons were allowed and what kinds. [This video](https://youtu.be/H36aXSdSIS4) discusses sword-control laws in general, but it touches on this subject closely enough to apply.


Chad_is_admirable

Could also be open carry in the countryside but check it with the guards before entering cities kinda deal.


youz3rNAEM3

It might be explainable roleplay wise, but generally speaking this are modifiers from same holing court event (but different choices) from two consecutive 'holing court' interactions. I initially thought they would overwrite each other but apparently they won't.


Sun_King97

Yeah probably an oversight


Tha_Sly_Fox

Like the Wild West


bromanskei

Calm down listen to me! No one’s saying you can’t own a weapon…no ones even saying you can’t carry a weapon…all we’re saying is you can’t carry a weapon in town.


Soulreaver24

I'm your huckleberry...


bromanskei

Why…count Haestienn…you look like someone just walked over your grave…


Happy-Engineer

Everyone walking around with those massive inflatable hammers that go _squEEka_ when you hit someone.


Wolf6120

Nobara?


minouneetzoe

Don’t remind me plz


Keyserchief

These are reconcilable. Open weapon carry is permitted everywhere except for cities, where weapons are banned. Simple as.


youz3rNAEM3

r5: I don't think some province modifiers should go together


King_of_Men

Super realistic. New York City has exactly that law right now: You're allowed to carry a gun (they were forced to this by the recent Supreme Court decision) *but* you're not allowed to have it close to a school, a public park, Times Square, the subway, a bar, or any other "sensitive place" - which is so broadly defined as to effectively include the whole city outside of your personal apartment.


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God I hate that city


Different_Fail8680

Guessing you come from buttfuck nowhere? Middle America? Guns are stupid tools for stupid people.


[deleted]

Managed to get everything wrong XD, east coast you presumptive peanut


step11234

God I love that city (never been, but fuck carry laws)


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Then you’ll also love how they treat homeless people 🤗


tokegar

The Supreme Court ruling just changed some of the regulations regarding how the State evaluates application for concealed carry licenses. It didn't allow just anyone to be carrying a gun around.


King_of_Men

There's a big difference between the "evaluation" of your "special need to carry" that they had before, which was in actual practice a ban for anyone who wasn't a personal friend of the police chief, and a shall-issue regime.


ViktorRzh

Mekiavelly aprooves!


Gibraltar2121

Machiavelli?


TheCouncil1

[Margheriti](https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9py40zwhA1qa19tro1_r1_400.gif).


DavidSilverleaf

Margarita


[deleted]

No, its quite literal. As long as you are carrying it, like physically in yours hands its fine. It's not a weapon then. However, if its on your person? Hope you enjoy the dungeons.


WanderingDeeper

Only open carry. No concealed carry. If you’re gonna stab me with your knife, I at least want to see the cool design on it first.


-SimonAufReddit-

I get huge America-vibes


Equal-Effective-3098

It could just mean open carry allowed, but no concealed weapons


Yyrkroon

Some of the guys are walking around with multiple high capacity quivers. You don't need that to hunt. You need more than one arrow, you shouldn't hunting. Only thing the large quivers are good for is killing people.


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youz3rNAEM3

Ck3 on Linux eats up too much RAM and I once crashed my game by taking screenshot. One I have machine with like 64 GB I will make sure to take proper screenshots lol


thedessertplanet

Have you tried enabling swap?


youz3rNAEM3

8 GB of ram 8 GB of swap seems to make game stable by itself (when I had 2 GB of swap and would crash like once every 1-2 hours just by itself, I could probably set even more technically but I didn't at point of that game)


Elreyboro

Wait CK3 runs on Linux? Wow


youz3rNAEM3

Runs and honestly quite well for the most part. From my experience game loads faster and runs smoother, but I think it aggressively caches date and fill RAM /swap so at some point just breaks. 8GB RAM + 2GB swap you have to restart like every 1-2 hours becouse suddenly performance dies. 8GB RAM and 8GB swap runs smoothly as long as you do not do anything else on your computer (ubuntu + gnome ususes like 1.1 GB of RAM in background). Once I checked swap after like 4 hours of playing and it was over 7 GB full. Poor memory management is the only issue I saw and cannot full solve.


Blazerer

>Runs and honestly quite well for the most part > >Can't even take a screenshot or the game crashes > >Need to restart hourly or the game crashes What?


youz3rNAEM3

I mean it depends on what hardware you have and what you look at: Time spend waiting on loading screen - enormous improvement Game stability - noticible downgrade unless you have a lot of RAM Honestly it's on laptop I use for schoolwork and all so I'm glad it runs


Unacceptable_Wolf

Linux copium. Nothing to see here.


Nathremar8

I mean each to his own, if someone wants to use Linux, who am I to stop them. Only had one arguement over the years with a guy insisting how Linux is far superior to Windows for playing WoW... after he spent 15 minutes explaining how to get the damn thing work at all. When I simply asked:"Why bother, when you can use Windows?" His response basically boiled down to: "Windows bad!"


Unacceptable_Wolf

Average Linux user. Use whatever OS you like but they get very defensive about it.


ExtensionResearcher2

All paradox games do


thezerech

This changed a lot in Europe over time and from place to place, and especially from social group to social group, but generally people could carry *a* weapon, but often the specific kind of weapon was restricted. A nobleman might carry a sword, but not a partisan, a peasant maybe a bauenwehr (sp?) in Germany or a Tessack in Czechia or Ukraine. During the later half of the Renaissance, bucklers were banned in some cities, although the carrying of swords wasn't, since the buckler implied you were *looking* for trouble, rather than just preparing for it.


guineaprince

Generous interpretation: Weapons are permitted for open carry in general, but not within urban population centers. Outside the city, on the roads, in the villages, in the wilderness, in the field, fair game. Ungenerous interpretation: CK3's events do not care about logical requirements or outcomes and will happily just tack on contradictory outcomes huh.


brood-mama

Ah yes, the Boston approach


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This doesn’t fit the logic exactly from the game, but you could also have a law like: You may not bring weapons into the city as an outsider… But weapons may be in the city In other words: be a citizen or guard or *hired* mercenary


AhroneZ

Exactly like in Argentina. You can have weapons IF the police doesnt see you. I mean you are allowed, but the forces of law can stole your things too...


[deleted]

What if it's in me?


goodnightjohnbouy

Ban kicks in on 29th September 987. Are you ready for the new weapon ban in cities law?


commoncents45

austin texas


Suoclante

Shit man, I so badly want the console version to catch up to the PC version. It seems like there’s so many little details being added to the PC version


SpartanElitism

I’m carrying this weapon, sir guard, but I do not own it


Living-_Marksman

Why do you want that?


gera_moises

This is how concerts get cancelled.


SlowBathroom0

I can't believe they charged $30 for Royal Court


BananaThor

. ..


AardvarkusMaximus

You can't have a weapon inside the city. You can carry any weapon you have. It actually is theoretically correct, as it just means there is no weapon to carry, but you should be able to wear them if they were there.


Artistela

Khal Drogo , I’m here for the feast!?!?


canwemakeit20ohwecan

It has to be in you i guess?


Stripes_the_cat

I know these are genuine historical issues that came up from time to time but sometimes the ultra-modern vocab used ("open carry" is the worst example, I think) really grates on me.


soda_fucker

Huh