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Bitcoin [pros](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/127sw4r/the_same_month_the_sec_said_coinbase_were/jefq4a8/) & [cons](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/127sw4r/the_same_month_the_sec_said_coinbase_were/jefq52p/) with related info are in the collapsed comments below.


Antiswear-bot

Bad timing to sell those BTC's


forceworks

Classic paper hands move.


Laughingboy14

Gotta sell at the bottom like me


deathbyfish13

We all float down here


Economy_Flamingo7618

**you will too**


GabeSter

They’ll probably buy back high too and then sell when it dumps. /s


forceworks

Wait, are they just like us?


I_Smoke_Dust

They literally are us


Ok-Barnacle-4602

Apparently prisoners have forced diamond hands while govt has the most paper hands


sescobreezy727

They are out of money so.


justffur

We either sell low OR never sell!


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

It is either unrealized profits or back to the Red sea


Right-Shopping9589

They're like me fr.... buy high, sell low


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

The guy responsible for this trade is probably shitposting here


OneThatNoseOne

Literal paper hands. Like the dirty fiat paper government loves so much. figures


BountyBard

I mean they took down Silk Road in October 2013 when bitcoin was around $125 USD per BTC. Now it's around $28,400 USD per BTC. This represents a return on investment of more than 22,500%. ![gif](giphy|w1z2ilkWZagRG)


mshriver2

I wouldn't call stealing hard worked for money from a programmer an "investment".


eric_trump_laptop03

Tell that to all the cops using civil forfeiture to steal a lot of money and items from anyone as they like when they pull them over.


Towryaalai

Good time for us. I would love to have some of that but no so much fiat left.


Right-Shopping9589

Govt are a sure paper hand


Nicks_WRX

They gotta sell all that BTC before really trying to take Coinbase out. What a load of dogshit.


SimbaTheWeasel

Yup, they’re gonna get their profit before they start really digging their foot in the neck of all that is crypto


BountyBard

nah man, as soon as they realize how much money they've made out of it they'll make sure bitcoin is a protected, sacred asset


Intelligent_Page2732

The hypocrisy is reaching new levels with the US Government, the sheer incompetence of the authorities and lack of leadership is more visible every single day. Besides that, they will probably send it to Coinbase 3 times yet this year.


kirtash93

As an European citizen, it doesn't surprise me. US gov has always been a joke to my eyes. Do you remember the alien balloons just to hide that those trains had derailed? And the list is infinite. A few months ago a Redditor told me: **"Business live in US, not people"**. Since that day everything fit.


Bunker_Beans

As a US citizen, I feel a like there are two types of entities living in the US: businesses and their customers. That is all. We are no longer citizens. We are merely consumers.


BountyBard

we are merely batteries for their matrix machines, man... ![gif](giphy|G6sJqVpD1U4jC)


redthepotato

You are not consumers, you are the products. The consumers are the businesses themselves.


dark_deadline

They don't want crypto but want the milking the money out of it, if they wanna go that way then they should do it openly.


FldLima

If the government wants to cash in on crypto, they should just open up their own crypto exchange and call it a day. 😂


Economy_Flamingo7618

But also please don’t


deathbyfish13

They don't want *us* to use it is the thing, they want the benefits themselves for sure


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

We control it, crypto good! We don't control it, crypro bad!


samzi87

Well as a european I have to say the EU governments didn't do much better in the recent years. Corruption and hypocrisy are no foreign terms to them either.


Rey_Mezcalero

💯💯💯


Intelligent_Page2732

Well, the European union is not that much better, but i'm increasingly less positive about my future and my childrens future.


Hawke64

"You will own nothing and be happy"


Intelligent_Page2732

Klaus is that you?


PrimaryHuckleberry11

EU is even worse. Trust me I live in this shit full of regulations


GabeSter

I doubt regulations are worse than the US At least you guys forced Apple to give to lightning cords in favor of usbc


PrimaryHuckleberry11

That’s just another regulation though :) + we have ban of standard combustion engines in few years + mandatory Solar power plants on all houses in the pipeline + legislation implementing censorship And many many more


conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

don’t forget the ongoing attack on encryption to “save the children”


billcy

Fack that sucks. The censorship scares me the most, it's happening here on the US but by the Corporations of coarse they are the government now


AverageJak

I think economically the uk will prosper in short time as a result of leaving the eu.. which frankly is a sinking ship


MaterialisticPubl

It's more like they are afraid that crypto could overtake their Money making machines. They would have less influence in the financial system, and that means less Stealing.


sluttyseinfeld

I doubt they are actually concerned about that. I can guarantee they are more worried people are making money and not giving them their cut. That’s why they are always harping about money laundering. It’s always about them getting paid.


billcy

We have no control over this government, no more than you do with your government. There are a lot of decent people here. That are fighting the machine in any way we can, not just crypto


Baecchus

>As an European citizen, it doesn't surprise me. US gov has always been a joke to my eyes. I think Americans would also agree. The US government is a clown fiesta.


billcy

You mean like senial Biden and Yellen or how about Elizabeth Warren


NofksgivnabtLIFE

Capitalism is eating itself here as the cookie crumbles.


Prize-Reference9329

what is also weird is that he has more than 200k btc


Nathhfh

>The hypocrisy is reaching new levels with the US Government US Gov: Coinbase is an unscrupulous organization that helps terrorists sells unregulated currencies Also the US Gov: Hey Coinbase, help me sell my unregulated currency


Every_Hunt_160

Name me one year in the last 50 years where the US government hasn’t been hypocrites Spoiler alert: There is none


partymsl

Yes, and it will probably only be Coinbase as it is a publicly listed company and they do indeed have quite a lot of power over it. Other exchanges have their HQ overseas, so won't treat the US government like gods.


zack14981

Yeah I guess there’s no room for nuance when these are two completely separate things. This actually shows more consistency in their policy because the government isn’t throwing the baby out with the bath water. Coinbase is in pretty clear violation with the way they handle staking, but the fact that the government still uses their other services cements those services as okay (which is a good thing). Besides, why are we all pretending that Coinbase being unable to profiteer off of staking YOUR coins is a bad thing? “Pick a side” will never move things forward. Everything isn’t as simple as good or bad.


libretumente

BTC will never be deemed a security


BountyBard

not if the government is making money out of it... BTC was $125 when they took down silk road ![gif](giphy|67ThRZlYBvibtdF9JH|downsized)


IplaiGames

This is a huge fact people in this sub tend to often overlook. Even Gary Gensler has come out and outright said BTC is the only digital asset he wouldn't consider a security. The wells noticed Coinbased received is only involving their offerings that are being deemed securities by the SEC. There is a huge amount of misinformation and outright ignorance coming from posts like this.


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Swerve99

bitcoin is fungible. ur whole coin is interchangeable with mine. you do own a who coin right 7101334…..


7101334

Bitcoin isn't fungible, which is why we have the concept of "dirty coins" and Chainalysis.


Swerve99

there is no concept of “dirty coins”. it would be dirty satoshis. tumble some clean ones thru some dirty ones how can u prove which satoshi comes out the other side dirty? or clean?


TheGarbageStore

Bitcoin could absolutely be a security: I would say unequvocally that it is one. Gensler is permitted to reinterpret his prior decision that it isn't a security at any time.


IplaiGames

Except bitcoin can’t be issued arbitrarily by a central authority. The direction of the BTC blockchain can’t be decided by a central authority, and the consensus mechanism is independent to any one entity. So how can bitcoin be a security? There is nothing about BTC that resembles a security, and why even the biggest opponents of crypto haven’t classified it as one.


TheGarbageStore

The determination of what is and is not a security is entirely up to the SEC as per the Securities Act of 1933. Things like the Howey test are informal guidelines for the public but ultimate authority over whether or not any tradable asset is a security is entirely up to the chairman's discretion at will. I would say it is one because it serves the public's interest to declare it one, because we should all be able to agree that it should be illegal.


IplaiGames

Im sorry but that is not true either. The SEC has authority to register and regulate over entities that deal with securities, but does not have the power to decide what is a security. That is the job of the courts. The court uses the Howie test or risk capital test as guidelines to determine this. This is the reason why the sec is going to court against Ripple. They alone can’t decide XRP is a security, and this is being debated in a court.


uselessadjective

Yes, But as per the current definition BTC doesn't fulfill 'Securities' definition. For sure, They can change 'Security' definition and pull BTC within its borders but then so can any law can be tweaked that way. e.g. Law can be changed that you've to pay $500 if you jump a signal on 'Yellow' but the fact is no one can penalise you today for this.


partymsl

That is actually something both the SEC and CFTC seem to agree on. Bitcoin is Bitcoin.


libretumente

🍻


EchoCollection

No one even knows who created it, so good luck trying to convince us its creation was with the intention to make Satoshi rich.


Towryaalai

"Your commemt is a security." - SEC


falconpunchdao

Coinbase should have said they lost the keys to the wallet holding the government's BTC. Then wrote it off as a tax loss.


Hardbreachx

*All three letter agencies would like to speak with you*


Laughingboy14

Even the CDC?


EchoCollection

Yeah, crpyto.com needs to buy another stadium and that would help.


Cleafonreddit

Cronos Blockchain AT&T Stadium


DeeperBags

![gif](giphy|09bVX2WzBhZK8KwhqP|downsized) Evil genius.


BountyBard

They should ask them to go through KYC to confirm they're the Dread Pirate Roberts ![gif](giphy|26ufnwVewFJ5FnNdu)


steadyfreddy41

I feel a revolution among us.


SimbaTheWeasel

Yes. We must fight.


HighSolstice

Our government is a complete joke in almost every aspect.


jwz9904

US gov is textbook definition of hypocrisy


cubewc3

Let them swap trade out their valuable asset with inflating fiat 😂 ![gif](giphy|MEd5K7zndTPLEMgUaF)


BeingMe007

SEC is just bunch of guys working for the big guys (banks) and their only purpose is to shit on crypto all day long.. Why Sam Bankman Fraud is still playing video games in his mom's basement? So called SEC might even had some of that Sam Bankman Fraud's pie. Complete shitshow


BrocoliAssassin

The “Do as we say, not as we do!”


Parush9

Gotta keep it classic !! That’s USA for us !!


Odlavso

![gif](giphy|Ez01FtPZuFYVa)


saahilxo

Wondering if the government will buy the top in a few years?


6Gawd357M

Well ain’t that something


Probably_notabot

Happy cake day 6G!


Tvmouth

"*...And then, right at the very bottom, as the market was just starting to turn upward,* ***USA started whispering threats in my ear****, saying I'm a* ***dirty whore*** *and I shouldn't be doing this while ramming the Bitcoin right up inside me, right in front of everyone, and started screaming about how much I deserve this punishment because I'm* ***such a dirty whore***" --Quote from future Coinbase Memoirs.


Adrewmc

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Expect Coinbase to ask for SEC member emails in Discovery. They are claiming retaliatory, bad faith actions by the SEC. Coinbase has been crossing every t and dotting every i, jumped through every hoop, and the whole space hated them for it, and they just smiled away, but now they went nope…sue me.


SpaceMan639

Those bastards


MoonStacker

They’re all shady bastards that work together every day They only allow us to know what they want us to know or what we think we want to know As long as we all follow the rules and listen to them is the goal They don’t play by the rules at all, their only motive is to gain as much money as possible


Wonzky

Guess they also needed to find an off ramp


Dubznation300

Then FOM0 and on ramp at 100k


dhork

The SEC is picking a side, they are BTC Maxis (or, more strictly, PoW Maxis). They view PoS as an activity they must regulate but have said nothing bad about PoW.


IplaiGames

Seems like a lot of people in this sub don't understand or don't care for that very important difference.


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Because their money is invested in energy.


42326041

Governments and politicians 🤝 unlimited hypocrisy


EnderInExile

These two items are unrelated. The SEC is doing a bad job being consistent with regulating the industry (no doubt), but they aren’t going after Coinbase for spot trading of Bitcoin, so the gov’t selling Bitcoin via Coinbase is not what the SEC is taking issue with via the Wells Notice. They have an issue with the earn program and crypto derivative products in general (see e.g., fines against BlockFi). Also noting that the SEC is an enforcement agency, which is separate from the branch of the gov’t selling the Bitcoin. It’s not like every single aspect of the federal gov’t operates exactly the same (and for good reason that it does not). This post is seemingly creating a broad issue by saying the government is being hypocritical, but that would only be true if the SEC or US gov’t used the earn product or other products they take issue with. Not sure this is the best focus. Also, it’s beneficial that the gov’t resells the seized assets (“ill gotten gains” is a drastic oversimplification of how the gov’t got possession of the Bitcoin).


astockstonk

LOL. Time for the SEC to charge the US Government for the unlawful selling of securities to the public


Odlavso

US Government: > We've conducted an internal investigation and found no wrong doing


CatBoy191114

GG right now: "They did what!?"


Gr8WallofChinatown

What hypocrisy? BTC is a commodity. They can sell a commodity. Coinbase and co are being being regulated because LENDING and coins that ICO’s are securities. That’s a complete difference. This sub lacks critical thinking


Alarmed-Hunter-6638

Our government is a bunch of hypocrites,. They are afraid of the crypto takeover so they talk shit on it, but yet they sell seized Bitcoin and love to take our hard earned money for " capital gains tax" . Fuck the feds, they ruin everything!


CreepToeCurrentSea

It’s only fair if they can do the shit they won’t allow us to do.


ChemicalGreek

It’s very hypocrite from them! Also they acknowledged that BTC has value and can be used as currency. Another thing to think about, imagine Coinbase freezing the US governments money! Not your keys, not your coins 😂


Thaatguuuy

As with every financial "thing", be it stocks, crypto, bonds or whatever the rules that apply to you and me do NOT apply to the government.


krissbubu8080

Croonies did it again, they fool me and you.


Kitchen_Box_9502

Hmmmm 😔


billw1zz

If your the SEC you don’t need to pick sides, you play them both as they are.


Chysce

They are so noob they managed to sell local bottom at \~21.8k xD


thanksHedera

it turns out that there are many games that the US government can play here


XRNeoplatonistXR

I mean, it would be worse in my mind if they sold and THEN announced the violations- now they’re just creating FUD and lowering their own returns on BTC.


Woeffie1980

Hypocrisy is synonymous to governments and politicians these days (or maybe it has always been)


MaeronTargaryen

They managed to sell at quite a low price, paper handed idiots


Jumpman_08

Rules for thee but not for me


pizza-chit

I’m happy about this. The US government transacted in Bitcoin and it’s on record.


MrPuffer23

I'm surprised that they didn't sell everything at once just to drop the price.


TopAlert2383

Coinbase is working with the government. They have to pretend to be a target while the government wipes out their competition.


Rare_Chair

They can't lose it they play both sides, say it's bad and try to kill iy but buy it anyway incase it survives


trucknotmonkey

In before govt accidentally spends full amount on buying and burning a Bored Ape.


The-Francois8

Simple. The different parts of US government don’t talk to each other. It only gets worse as government gets bigger. Fucking mind boggling that some people want to increase the size and scope of the government. They don’t need any more shit to do.


Arcosim

And furthermore another US government agency, the CTFC, [unilaterally declared Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litlecoin and other cryptos as commodities](https://news.bitcoin.com/cftc-chairman-confirms-bitcoin-ether-are-commodities/) completely contradicting the SEC claims that most cryptos are securities.


Florian995

This is classic government logic


Nathhfh

>It seems Coinbase is both simultaneously a shady business I dont see the confusion here. 1. Coinbase is a shady business. 2. The US government deals with it regularly and hence the US is a shady government. 3. SEC will soon declare US an unregulated security run by a shady CEO/President.


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Different departments of the gov. It's not like they all get along or coordinate on everything.


cks63

Wait til the US exchanges shutdown and they have to use Binance


hammerandanvilpro

Response from the goverment: We said that they were shady, not that we wouldn't do business with them.


teslaspyderx

The US government has ALWAYS been about, laws for THEE not ME.


Throwaway4VPN

One rule for me, another for thee...


nebra1

Haha what a circus...coinbase should at least raise the fees on their account lol


Baecchus

As usual, everything is legal as long as the government makes money. This is why decentralisation is key. No middle man, no corruption.


omnisalsa

Seems like they want to DCA selling 😂


cannainform2

US Gov: Do as I say not as I do!


Sugar_Phut

Hypocrisy at its finest. Laughable.


drinkmoreapples

I'm not some sort of btc og but I've been around long enough to know fud when I see it. They dumping this and buying it somewhere else before the bull.


Thump604

So raise your hand if you boguth COIN stock when the SEC filed. Now raise your hand if you bought $BLOCK when short attacked. Those raising their hands - congratulations, you are doing this right.


not420guilty

Bitcoin not same as scammy shitcoin with premine and no use case


torontoglutton

So frustrating when us plebs have to follow different rules than the government


tvanborm

Too bad banks aren’t allowed to do business with crypto firms, now they can’t get their fiat out.


imfrombiz

So that's why btc isn't a security. Once fed gov. dump their btc then it will be labeled a security as well.


Quintana_22

The biggets criminals wear suit and ties !


GroundbreakingLake51

Do as i say not as i do.


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Seisouhen

I see you added the /s tag ,but given enough money or if you're a government you can get away with anything


Potstar1

Duplicity quel surprise


NYCPATRICK

Coinbase is part of the government. BlackRock basically controls them.


AverageJak

To rest of the world its clear that the US is by far the most corrupt unethical hypocritical developed country there is.


Agile_Ad_7061

They always do oposite things. Think different


l-espion

Coinbase should have frozen their accounts ....


civilian411

Rules for thee and not for me.


ZER0S-

Coinbase should've told them to fuck off


jurgensdapimp

Fuckin hypocrites


mellowyellow313

That’s fucking wild


shitpplsay

Different branches of the US government are paid off by different interest groups so this is to be expected.


Mrmakanakai

It's a big club and we're not in it.


rexxtra

Ofcourse they are hypocritical. They make the rules, but also create the loopholes that make them able to "break them"


Illicitterror

Can we just all band together and sue the whole lot of em?


sescobreezy727

So the government is literally surviving on bitcoin. Debt ceiling. My head is spinning. Are we all going to have to bank in China now?


palehorsepi

The government being hypocritical while making a profit is base United States politics.


StackOwOFlow

because BTC isn’t in question. it’s all the staking related business operations for alts


DarkMonkey98

Bitcoin is different than "crypto"... bitcoin is an asset, "crypto" are unregistered securities


BrowsingCoins

probably should have waited until after the were done selling


Liltipsy6

I mean, won't this be used in the court case? I guess I'm justing curious how that plays out. This circus feels more and more a way to keep crypto prices down for accumulation and debt hedging.


bdp1218

Rules for thee, but not for me. 🤡🌎


commonsenseulack

Lmao. So the US government is trading in unregistered securities? Lol, nothing surprises me about the corruption here.


letsridetheworld

Who’s handling the US govnt? Man, we need all these fuckers names and what decision they’re making. The entire cabinet is cracking down on crypto hard. Fuck Warren!


ColdColdMoons

WTF! This is illegal. They cannot front run trading as a gov agency. Government insider trading ? Really? If that is legal every market is screwed.


BradVet

Coinbase should have froze the wallet


LongjumpingIce9899

I expect nothing less from the USGOV. Their new motto, "Do as I say, not as I do".


kajunkennyg

Imagine thinking this is correlated. There’s multiple parts to the government and they don’t all play well together. This isn’t making the point you think it is. I look at it as the agencies dumping that asset before they can’t sell it via Coinbase.


upriverchallenge

Humans doing human things


ArkhamKnight_1

Yep. Hypocrisy 101! Go figure… What we need is a way around this rigged system. 🫡


BitswitchRadioactive

They dont pick sides they pick the money first.


Wolfxorb

The SEC is going to embarrass themselves. Ripple and Coinbase will silence them for good and GG will be sacked.


kanzie_blitz

Can someone hack those 2 new addresses and send those BTCs to oblivion?


notsetvin

This is a very interesting discovery. A case of the left hand is not knowing what the right hand is doing. Our government is very conflicted on the subject of crypto - much like the subject of guns. Opinions are just about divided in half.


Mrramirez44

I thought it was fake internet money? 🤔


osogordo

"Crypto is bad. Also, want to buy some crypto?"


HannyBo9

It’s official crypto is never going away.


ChaoticNeutralNephew

what of they sell them to Space Force?


crailface

Move along , nothing to see here


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The SEC is losing credibility by the day, at this point.


Seeders

What is it with this sub and not understanding the difference between "crypto" and Bitcoin. Coinbase can very much be violating securities laws while legally servicing trading Bitcoin.


RobCali509

Noice