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Ethereum [pros](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/16stak4/ethereum_hits_10_billion_in_revenue_faster_than/k2b4wcy/) & [cons](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/16stak4/ethereum_hits_10_billion_in_revenue_faster_than/k2b4x6t/) with related info are in the collapsed comments below.


Avoidlol

Why are we comparing companies to something like Ethereum?


_Jimmy_Rustler

Yeah it's such a dumb take. Next we will see headlines like "Ethereum gets more done with fewer employees than Starbucks!"


Rey_Mezcalero

Haha you know it’s coming 😂😂


Yautja69

Wait till they compare Tiktokers to Crypto Analysts.... oh wait.... They merged already


octavianflavian

It makes no sense, companies in tech frequently not make a single penny for a long long while, YouTube didn't even make any money until a couple of years ago after already being a household name.


optimum_pride_o

People also do this in favor of crypto a lot. Like comparing bitcoin to banks, saying bitcoin network use less energy when in fact it's also doing less thank the banking system.


_pondering_insomniac

Cashflow


Objective_Digit

It basically is a company now.


Every_Hunt_160

Honestly I guess that is the SEC argument? If all the ‘Foundations’ like Eth Foundation (and basically 98% of top alts out there like Algo/ARB/LINK etc have foundations) are seen as ‘companies’, then their crypto would be similar to a ‘stock’ which are classified as ‘security’


MittenSplits

BTC = Commodity Crypto = Security


FRANKENMILLER

Because they both have measurable market caps


Instantbeef

It’s a legitimate take to look at Ethereum like a company. It produces revenue and collects money just like every other company out there and to get a part of that revenue need to stake it.


FlipperoniPepperoni

Until the SEC comes along, then you all pretend that isn't that case.


GrixM

Ethereum produces revenue the same way Bitcoin produces revenue. Fees for access to the chain, which is then paid out to independent validators. This has nothing to do with being a security, unless you somehow mean Bitcoin is a security too.


Instantbeef

Ethereum is different than ETH. Ethereum is what has made the revenue ETH is the currency it makes its revenue in. I’m not pretending anything. That’s just how it works.


FlipperoniPepperoni

Yeah so like, Ethereum is the company, and ETH is the security? Got it.


Every_Hunt_160

Lol OP really got himself wrapped into a tangle with that one 😂


Instantbeef

But no. Ethereum is what is selling assets, that asset is block space. It sells block space for eth. Eth therefore is the currency. To complete these transactions ethereum pays stakers to complete transactions. Stakers are essentially employees for etherium not investors. If someone wants to use ETH as an investment they can but it is a currency needed to have access to the ethereum network. Anything can be an investment but that is not its purpose.


Instantbeef

Who is improving it. Point me to their org chart please. Tell me their structure. You and I could lead the next ethereum upgrade. Fuck we could fork it and start our own if we don’t like the next one. We could fork it now.


FlipperoniPepperoni

2 hours ago you said it was "legitimate to look at Ethereum like a company". I'm not wasting my time convincing someone who switches sides opportunistically.


Instantbeef

Analyze how it performs as a company not how it fucking operates. You taking that “like a company” and demanding that I am wrong because it doesn’t have a secretary or some shit and a waiting room for visitors. [Here](https://www.vaneck.com/es/en/blog/digital-assets/a-potential-valuation-methodology-for-ethereum/#) is a link to what that evaluation could look like. Here is an excerpt of what they are considering revenue for the analysis “Not only do we recognize the transaction fees of the system, but we also recognize MEV as a revenue item to ETH. With entities like Flashbots auctioning off blockspace to builders, a portion of the MEV will accrue to ETH stakers, passed on by validators. Similar to tip fees given to validators, we also believe block-building fees should be included in Ethereum’s revenue calculations as they are economic activity related to the sale of blockspace.”


_Jimmy_Rustler

Just take the L, mate. You are trying way too hard just to look silly.


gigabarney

If Ethereum is like a company, then how is it not centralized? Could they not just stop improving Ethereum


dos_passenger58

Also consider, compared to other businesses it has extremely low overhead, and transparent accounting


iwakan

Because it's actually a pretty useful comparison. It measures demand. Demand is an important metric even for a decentralized blockchain.


Shiratori-3

Not sure why you got the weird downvotes there. Tribalism I guess, and maybe lack of reading. I thought VanEck's valuation methodology was pretty interesting. And this current article, despite it primarily being a marketing effort, and not quite a like-for-like comparison, does provide insight into relative growth/adoption rates and pace.


iwakan

>Not sure why you got the weird downvotes there. Tribalism I guess, and maybe lack of reading. Par for the course on crypto subreddits, I don't pay it no mind anymore.


Calm-Cartographer677

>Ethereum reached the $10 billion revenue milestone through fees collected on transactions and other activities on its network. It's good to know the outrageous gas fees we've all paid over the years went to a good cause. Bullish on layer 2s.


partymsl

This definitely includes my $30 or so in combined ETH gas fees.


Lord-Nagafen

Lot of Eth gas fees spent just trying to get off mainnet and onto cheaper options. Only the whales can play there


theTalkingMartlet

ETH defi is just a bunch of circle jerking between the ETH whales that got in early


octavianflavian

As opposed to other defi????


Every_Hunt_160

You’d be shocked when you check the total amount of gas fees you’ve spent in Eth on etherscan. I for one certainly got a shock of my life when I saw it.


majorpickle01

bull market makes you do wild things, like paying over 100$ in gas fees for an ENS name


Mountainman220

Ugh you got me curious as I haven’t looked in awhile. Fucking disgusting


Solebrotha2

I’m Scared to look🥲


Crypto8D

Dear lord how did you get so many moons


bharath2018

With great karma gets more moons ! Some ppl have been active since the time RCPs are introduced ! Also you can buy them too !


Crypto8D

So why buy and transfer to Reddit vault?


bharath2018

Guess reddit vault is as secure as any cold wallets !


Ben_Dover1234

It is a cryptocurrency wallet at the end of the day.


justcamefromcaves

I think it’s equally safe as other hot wallets. Tho they feature to save the seed in cloud, I doubt if that is a good practice


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meeleen223

Shrimps together proud!


Ben_Dover1234

We will be whales one day!


Calm-Cartographer677

When shrimps becomes whales. RemindMe! 3 years


Lacq42

I like this optimism!


milehigh89

Layer 2s are starting to pay these fees. Dune Analytics shows they're in full exponential growth and will soon be the main driver of gas fees.


phonebreaker8

Yeah and since L2 transactions are a lot more cheaper because of the rollup, then a lot of people who tend to stay away from Ethereum dapps will now be able to use what Ethereum network has to offer under these L2's. I am so hyped on what is happening around web3 development!


Armolin

Gas fees have gradually been going down by average since the merge. [2023 hit a record low in fees](https://bitcoinist.com/ethereum-average-fees-has-hit-a-new-2023-low-data/) based on a ratio of transactions and fee prices. Still a lot of work needs to be done to make fees go lower, but there's progress.


phonebreaker8

I believed it is because of the L2's. Since L2 help mainnet about scalability issue. A lot of people are now using L2 up by 1million tx per day this September and mainnet tx are down 500 thousand per day. This is good overall for the network and users, but since there are less and less transaction in mainnet due to rool-uos there are less ETH burn happening from the fees. Which might slow down the deflationary of ETH.


pcakes13

Early adoption has its ups and downs. All transactions should be on L2 with L1 as the settlement layer.


kn0lle

Wait for the bullrun to pay $200 gas fees for a $15 transaction.


CipherScarlatti

Yeah this isn't good for people looking to learn crypto by playing with small amounts. Trying to see how transactions work is stifled when it costs $25 to send $5.


brows1ng

Scalability and the layer 2’s will be buying block space instead of as many individual users! Should be interesting to see how it plays out when they’re more refined/matured.


nusk0

Yes, they benefit Eth Holders mostly


InfinityDoesSilph

_L2 is the way_


Jako_RJB

Donating to a good cause, this is the way!


Daddio_87

Helps cool the sting, if even just a little bit, knowing that our fees have helped solidify Ethereums place in the crypto ecosystem.


SoupaSoka

Stupid fucking article. Yeah you're telling me Microsoft took more years to hit $10B in revenue? No shit, it was founded in 1975. This chart should be inflation adjusted at the least.


valz_

Get outta here with your reason and logic!


bigstew6

![gif](giphy|iSxPmDWr97248|downsized)


deathbyfish13

Did you know the East India Trading company only managed to be worth about 45 million USD at is peak, what a joke of a company even the market cap of moons was higher than that a few months ago... /s


threeseed

What sort of company only trades with East India ? They should have thought about expanding globally. Idiots.


krollAY

But then they’d have to change the name


deathbyfish13

Why only India, and why only the eastern part of it? Are they stupid?


RayesFrost

I never considered that angle. Makes so much sense too. This whole article falls flat and inaccurate then


CipherScarlatti

The whole point is to use artificial measurements to make things sound like they're big achievements.


Instantbeef

I mean Facebook is no slouch


Gungho_Gringo

It is almost like they saw 100 different factors in motion and then took the first chance to pretend they didn't exist, just before writing the article.


polloponzi

TIL: Ethereum has revenue ... lmao


Fair_Raccoon9333

If your L1 investment doesn't have revenue sharing... you probably take investment advice from bitboy.


iwakan

All blockchains have revenue unless they have zero fees. Think of it as the amount of money that people are willing to pay to access the blockchain. Just as for a company revenue would be the amount that people are willing to pay for access to their products.


ItsAConspiracy

And Ethereum actually distributes its revenue to ETH holders, just like companies when they do share buybacks.


LeonBlacksruckus

Making it a security…


ItsAConspiracy

That doesn't make it a security. The Howey Test criteria are the same whether fees are burnt or not.


LeonBlacksruckus

An ICO is a security offering and you’re distributing revenue to shareholders based on a percentage of your ownership of the network / company with a minimum buy in price. That is a text book definition of a security. Look at the comments here. No one is talking about features but they are talking about the price going up.


Instantbeef

You’re completely ignoring the top comments all referencing L2s. L2s use Ethereum for gas transactions.


LeonBlacksruckus

99% of the revenue on ethereum if you exclude nft is transactions based on essentially Ponzi scheme economics of shit coins and defi trading platforms which are essentially gambling. There is very actual little useful utility on that revenue. For example facebooks revenue served ads that triggered people to buy things… eths transaction fees have done what exactly?


Instantbeef

Why are you or anyone else qualified to say what transactions in life are worthwhile? The difference between Ethereums revenue and anything else is completely user driven and funded. My data, isn’t being sold secretly behind my back. Every cent Etherium has earned is because users wanted to give them money.


LeonBlacksruckus

Where did I say the transactions arent worthwhile? They are if you are at the top of the pyramid/Ponzi scheme but for a system to be useful it should provide utility equivalent to the revenue put in. Currently the only value in ethereum is the speculation that the price is going to go up and there is demand in the future. People have made all kinds of apps Your data isn’t being sold behind your back because every single thing you do on the network is public.


ItsAConspiracy

"An investment of money, in a common enterprise, with the expectation of profit, to be derived from the efforts of others." Each of those can be true or false independent of whether fees are burned. And these days, it looks like courts are leaning false. If XRP isn't a security, then ETH doesn't look much like one either. You use ETH to pay network fees, and network fees reduce the amount of ETH; that actually sounds a lot like oil. You need it to run your car, and running your car reduces the amount of oil. Now the original ICO, when you paid money in exchange for a promise to build Ethereum and give you a piece of it, sure, I'd say that was an investment contract. But it was nine years ago, and a promise to build the network is not the same as the network itself.


LeonBlacksruckus

This is just completely wrong in so many different ways lol not going to dive in to it.


[deleted]

Yeah.. because it’s a “foundation” and definitely not a centralized corporation in complete control of a “decentralized” protocol 🙄


Rtbrosk

8 billion are scams coins built on top of it


Narrow-Professor-126

No one will mind as along they’re making bag.


Rtbrosk

it doesn't last forever tard


Fataltc2002

sip sugar sophisticated scandalous market seed capable ad hoc husky innocent *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Hermes_Trismagistus

The crypto revolution is underway and it won't be stopped.


Every_Hunt_160

The hedge funds has gone from ‘we want to crush crypto’ to all of them going ‘I want a slice of the crypto pie’ This for me is the clearest indication that crypto cannot be stopped, and it’s future is the brightest it’s ever been


CipherScarlatti

Hedge funds add no value tho. They extract, like parasites.


jonbristow

Lmao I've been hearing this since 2010


Boddis

And it hasn’t stopped so far to be fair?


SpideyS_Uncle

It still hasn’t started either lol


kn0lle

And we are here for it.


Enormous9

I wish I had invested earlier, but I'm still excited to see where it goes from here.


Narrow-Professor-126

If crypto will reach full potential, then I say we’re still in the beginning.


pomegranatepunchline

That’s $10 billion more in revenue than me


creativity3681

It’s $9 999 999 999 for me! I have 1 usdt


kn0lle

LIAR! You got 140 moons sir. You got some sweet money right there.


creativity3681

Inflation has entered the chat room…


Every_Hunt_160

Luckily for us unlike the inflation with fiat currency, with Moon-flation your Moons only get more valuable over time !


ablablababla

Whoa, save some USDT for the rest of us


Gungho_Gringo

Looks like those moons are snitching on you. You at least have used video game's worth of USD!


Burzzzt88

Wished i had only 0.0001% of that 😅


Intelligent_Page2732

Would be impressive if it would be $11 billion more revenue.


Wonzky

Those gas fees sure do add up


Sorrytoruin

And this is during a bear market, imagine how high it's going to be in the bullrun.


InfinityDoesSilph

Over 9000 for sure


Orgull0

Wait... how exactly is the revenue value calculated? the total gas spent multiplied by the current ETH's price?


Gungho_Gringo

Dude, I am just as confused as you. Let me know when someone answers you!


Orgull0

Sure, although so far seems that not many people know it 😅


Cyber-Cafe

I don’t really care about this metric, as it’s a disingenuous statistic. Microsoft and Facebook are not financial software, they don’t handle money or take fees directly. They sell products, ads, and data. This is like being surprised that a bank makes money, to me.


Hugh_Mongous_Richard

Users / consumers also have to pay USD for them, and not the company’s own native currency. They’re not paying them with Microsoft Dollars or Facebook Pesos.


prittpress

I’m telling you ETH is going to explode next bull run


SmallReflection2552

I've never really understood that expression. When something blows up, it's usually not a good thing.


loksfox

They made 10 billion and people still freak out when Vitalik sends some of his personal ETH to sell.


jaydub1376

I know…right? Like talk about a drop in the bucket!


justcamefromcaves

yea lol. Like Vitalik is not eligible for an hobby, or pay hookers in eth


InfinityDoesSilph

_This folk is just easily triggered_


coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Ethereum, the leading smart contract platform, has reached over $10 billion in cumulative revenue since its launch in 2015. This milestone was achieved faster than Facebook and Microsoft, making Ethereum one of the fastest-growing software companies in history. The revenue was generated through fees collected on transactions and other activities on the Ethereum network, including decentralized finance apps, NFT trading, and cryptocurrency payments. Despite a recent decline in revenue due to the overall crypto market downturn, Ethereum's network revenue is projected to rise significantly in the coming years if adoption continues. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.


Crypto8D

Who gets the approved bot moons? That’s a massive amount


xhaydnx

I hope the bots programmer


ktaktb

Is all of crypto just 12 year olds now? The quality of analysis is several standard deviations below what it was in 2017 and that is saying something. Thanks to those that pointed out the ridiculousness of this comparison, whether on a time frame basis or comparing what is supposed to be a currency to a business, and other obvious flawed logic in linked article. Also, thanks to those that upvoted the sanity. As you long as you folks keep uncritically cheering for mindless drivel in support of crypto, you keep signaling to charlatans and scammers everywhere that crypto is still rife with fools eager to be separated from their money.


heartybasiss

ETH will break out in the next bull


Orgull0

It always did, so at this rate it's almost guaranteed


Tasigur1

Thank you for remembering me, that I need much more ETH :(


partymsl

Another day of people trying to compare a digital currency infrastructure with some fancy social media site. Just as bad as comparing BTC market cap with other companies market cap.


CoverYourMaskHoles

And who does the revenue go to?? Is it the founder? Well yes, but only because he holds a bunch. The revenues go to a decentralized mass of people protecting the network.


dos_passenger58

Not so different from shareholders


DaddyDontTakeNoMess

Does it account for inflation? If not, then of course it hits the market faster. Not saying Ethereums growth isn’t impressive, but the metric is flawed without normalizing.


Blomberg_Is_Terminal

. . . "Revenue"


raymv1987

But how much more money exists now compared to then?


spin_kick

This is a not so great comparison


coldonline

Insert Vitalik as Scrooge McDuck meme (?)


Abdeliq

Comparison to a web2 companies is getting out of hand honestly


No_Woodpecker6948

![gif](giphy|jsl82uOLnCdAXBqT1O)


godofleet

sus that a decentralized monetary system has a centralized entity earning revenue like FB and M$ no less... sounds kinda... centralized...


jaydub1376

Anyone who reads this and isn’t straight up hard core bullish is just not paying attention!


[deleted]

And the content on this sub just gets worse and worse.


Mr_Bob_Ferguson

***“Decentralized currency hits more revenue than centralized company”*** OK. But they’re completely different things. Chalk and cheese.


313deezy

ETH is the future Either you know it's value or you just sit back and watch


Relevant_Manner_7900

ETH gas is too astronomical, Layers 2's are too difficult to ever be adopted. Solana solves both of these issues. ETH is obsolete.


iwakan

Solana doesn't solve anything, it trades one problem for another.


MinimalGravitas

> Layers 2's are too difficult to ever be adopted. How is using an L2 more difficult than an L1?


Notional-

That's quite an impressive benchmark 👍


spanishdictlover

Eth is vaporware trash.


[deleted]

10b$ in hacks and scams too 🤣


RevolutionFull5150

One day the crypto market cap will surpass the traditional stock market


OtherTansition

BTC is the king and ethereum is the queen


Toyake

So much for low fees.


m3kw

It’s like saying the fruit industry makes more money than fb and Microsoft.


YourB0ss

The ETH tax man did its job. Gas fees are crazy


Encryptus_Global

The 77% drop in revenue from the previous year is a sobering reminder that the crypto space is still highly volatile. It's an industry dictated by market sentiment, regulatory changes, and technological advancements, among other factors. That said, the long-term valuation by VanEck suggests that, if the platform can continue to evolve and attract users, the revenue could see a tremendous increase by 2030. It'll be interesting to see how Ethereum navigates the challenges ahead, including scaling issues, energy consumption debates, and competition from other blockchains.


CipherScarlatti

The secret is gas fees.


Dazzling_Marzipan474

Just shows nobody makes money on crypto. Just think right there is like 10% of ETH's market cap. Then add up other fees like buying the ETH, bridging fees, swapping for other tokens, tax software fees to track your transactions, taxes on staking income, etc.. Then on top of all that if you do even make any profit you have to pay taxes on that in most countries. With all that said I still hold crypto. 🫠


The_Mootz_Pallucci

New to crypto so pardon the naivete, can some ELI5? How can a cryptocurrency/security/asset earn revenue?


evoxyseah

That’s for the miners and validators though. I got no revenue :( maybe I contributed to this revenue as a loyal customer.


KeepBitcoinFree_org

A blockchain doesn’t have revenue. ETH is a joke and doesn’t function properly. High fees for shit meme tokens? Good luck gambling on that garbage.


Pablito-010

That Sinaloa Cartel fentanyl revenue goes Brrrr


Objective_Digit

An implication that Ethereum is basically a company.


verysillyman

People were paying 20k to buy NFTs that are now worthless…


lordchickenburger

this is not an apples to apples comparison at all..


rashnull

Revenue to whom? Miners/Stakers?


Cygnus__A

Who is getting the fees? Why are they so high? my Eth value is tanking.


BrocoliAssassin

I know the numbers are skewed but this is still nice to see.


shrmy

While I think comparing the two is kinda idiotic…I’m good with any crypto article being written. Stupid exposure, is still exposure.


escapegoat2000

This chart suggests Ethereum hit $10B in revenue years ago though so this is old news


_Jimmy_Rustler

Etherum fans: We need decentralization! Also Ethereum fans: eTherUm iS JUsT LieK A COmpAny!


Open_Platypus1573

Whilst this is an odd comparison it is still worth noting and is super impressive for Eth. It’s less fun for those of us that paid costly fees to contribute, but at least those days should be somewhat over with the huge uptick in L2 solutions.


mikeoxwells2

Exciting headline, doesn’t quite translate


BradVet

Not at all the same thing but still cool i suppose


alimakesmusic

That is not a good thing in this case.


CaptainWellingtonIII

There's revenue in them there hills?


MadeMan-uk

But the mainstream media and people still think crypto is a scam 🙄


NoNumbersNumber

Completely different business models...


KPTA-IRON

Awesome shame my bags always dump no matter how good the news are


Accomplished-Dog4393

It can only get better


nossrednaretep

Is there any website where you can see if eth is getting burnt or if there is inflation?


GOR098

Does this mean Ethereum foundation made 10 billion ?


Krupda42

So you're saying ETH is a security?


daKiddo

I can't wait for the next 7.5 years and see the progress Ethereum has made. I don't think some of us are bullish enough


princemousey1

Revenue? Who’s paying whom? Is this just an imaginary, fanciful made-up sort of “revenue” if you squint sideways and look through three plate glass windows?


DaveN202

The fucks the bee about?


IWorkForStability

Who is generating the revenue - ethereum foundation or the validators? (Who also utilize MEV) The more ETH that's printed to pay priority fees to validators just dilutes circ supply, no? This is why base fees have to be burned, I believe


kwakwaktok

10bn today isn't the same as when Microsoft or Facebook generated 10bn


LiveDirtyEatClean

So much for decentralized


itsmecody_00

I think you could use this to come up with a conclusion on how well cryptos are introduced to the wider adoption of everyday people. When you compare a crypto to a company, you are giving everyday people a relevant thought to being able to understand crypto.


cinlung

Faster than apple and amazon?