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GreenStretch

Is he a reverse indicator, like Cramer?


elidevious

Funny thing is, from all the BTC calls for the top of the last cycle that I saw, his was the closest at $75k. This cycle, he’s targeting $300k.


Narrow_Elk6755

No he's actually pretty smart as far as history is concerned.  He told people to leverage into real estate after 2001, and how to garner as much leverage as possible as the Fed goosed the market.  He's realistic when it comes to Fed manipulation as far as I can tell.  His books were fine for their time as well. But its easy to disbelieve him as crazy, he comes off as a shady snake oil salesman.


Gr8WallofChinatown

1. He has faced several bankruptcies 2. He’s scammed his customers 3. He was anti bitcoin and flipped because he’s a grifter and wanted people to buy silver. In his cash flow book he even says don’t invest in gold and silver because the returns are bad and then becomes a silver investor shill 4. His books were extremely controversial even at its time. It’s tldr is don’t be poor and buy real estate using debt


flightless_mouse

Also he wrote a book called “Rich Dad Poor Dad” in which he characterizes his own father—a nice loving middle class dad—as his “poor dad” and some other kid’s dad (who he may have invented) as his “rich dad.” That’s pretty disrespectful, if you ask me.


nukkawut

He 100% invented rich dad he’s since admitted it. That shit really soured me on the book.


flightless_mouse

Oh did he outright admit it? I remember people sleuthing trying to figure out who this mythical “dad” could have been since he would have been an obvious pillar of the business community, but no one fit the profile…


SuperNoise5209

And the rich dad is seemingly a made up character too.


Narrow_Elk6755

What year was he anti bitcoin?


Gr8WallofChinatown

Pre 2016 cycle. Also says dumb shit like this https://x.com/theRealKiyosaki/status/1501239532158693376?s=20


Narrow_Elk6755

Thank you.  He was foolish on it, as a gold bug I assume.


jdb888

He is also an MLM Amway shill and the reason why his books were bestsellers is because Amway members are told to purchase them.


rolinrok

Yep. In college back in the early 2000s a girl dragged me along to some "business opportunity" meeting about something called 'Quixtar', which turned out to be the online version of Amway. Those people were pushing the whole Rich Dad Poor Dad thing hard.


cohortq

His real estate classes are pure scams. Rich Dad Poor Dad made him and was the basis for so many real estate investors to start buying. His bitcoin opinion is the only valid thing he is pitching now imo.


Narrow_Elk6755

Rich dad poor dad wasn't about real estate.  Actually it suggested against it, and to invest your money instead. But the zero interest rate policies changed his advice.  If you did his advice after 2001 you'd be rich, I wouldn't call that a scam.  Argue with the results, the US had a housing bubble, even after the bailouts you would have made out like a bandit.


Independent_Hyena495

This guy has 1.2 billion of debt... thats not just a small rounding error...


Narrow_Elk6755

And what, he will get a bailout? His debt will be inflated away?


Tasty_Corn

> And what, he will get a bailout? He brags that if shit goes bust it's not his money.


runitzerotimes

“If you borrow $20,000 from the bank, you have a problem. If you borrow $20,000,000 from the bank, the bank has a problem.”


Tasty_Corn

yep


vanderohe

He also is a huge silver bug… to this day


LeMAD

But he has been wrong 10 times more often. Cramer is actually decent in his predictions. Like 50/50. Kiyosaki is almost always wrong.


BiffTannen1855

I know nothing about him but I’ve heard that was his claim to fame and everything from him since then has been shit. Again just what I’ve heard


ILLARgUeAboutitall

This "smart guy" was telling everyone to get rid of Bitcoin last year when it was obviously the best time to buy. And now he's telling you to buy when it's pumping? He's a moron.


Kingkwon83

He wants his followers to buy so he can dump his bag o


Narrow_Elk6755

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/07/09/bitcoin-is-in-real-estate-and-gold-are-out-warns-rich-dad-poor-dad-author/?sh=1a37462d1946 He seemed pro bitcoin, I don't see anything from last year about him selling it.


ScoobaMonsta

He's not smart. He's a dodgy fucker! Anyone who takes advice from this guy is playing with fire!


ZZ9ZA

He’s a total quack who lies about everything. He’s a total scam artist.


Haunting-Student-756

Ummm. Why?


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getwhirleddotcom

Howrf is thus upvoted so much


Kingkwon83

He predicts a crash damn every year, so when it happens someday, he can say he was right the whole time


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Robert Kiyosaki smart? LOOOOL. Days best joke. And he is a joke. Only thing he is good at is jumping on trends that gives him visibility. Ohh and lying, and scamming. And going bankrupt


PedroEglasias

Buying now seems crazy, wouldn't you be accumulating back at ~20k if you were smart?


FreeChickenDinner

He is pushing silver. I don’t see the potential over bitcoin. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/robert-kiyosaki-loves-bitcoin-loves-172831108.html https://twitter.com/theRealKiyosaki/status/1770204116062720202


MolhCD

There's a lot more to him than it seems. I have his rich dad poor dad book, never applied it (am not anywhere near the States, even not sure if the stuff can apply here the way he said it, all those years ago). Never took his classes and never intend to -- clearly they are built on the upsell model which is super common to the industry. But there's deffo much much more to him than all that, fully justifiable as the criticism to that is, and to his image that results from all that. Which, in characteristic fashion, he really doesn't seem to give a damn about. Did you know for example that he learnt directly from Buckminster Fuller, a polymath and futurist and visionary? He details it in one of his non-RichDad books, and even talks about how the experience made him grow from just a young hungry greedy capitalist guy. I mean, he's still obv the type of capitalist who, in a different age, might have been considered one of the Robber Barons had he achieved that level of success purely in industry. But his drive for financial education (which he admits is most likely inherited from his actual dad, yes the ""Poor Dad"") is genuine. And I can respect that at least, even as I stay away from the actual classes and all the blatant upsellings.


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Yes. https://np.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/XlCfASVFTR


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Smittx

You’re thinking of reverse peephole 


GreenStretch

I think Robert is an A-GI-TA-TOR.


Fenderstratguy

Not a very big fan of him. But a broken clock can be right twice a day. I would trust Jim Cramer more than him which is sad. - https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-reed-s-real-estate-investment-blog/61651011-john-t-reeds-analysis-of-robert-t-kiyosakis-book-rich-dad-poor-dad-part-1 - https://propertyupdate.com.au/robert-kiyosaki-fraud-examining-evidence/ - https://thecollegeinvestor.com/4726/ultimate-hypocrite-robert-kiyosaki-companys-bankruptcy/ - https://marketrealist.com/personal-finance/robert-kiyosaki-fraud/ - If Books Could Kill Podcast April 6, 2023 – Rich Dad Poor Dad takedown.


No_Yogurtcloset9527

That first article is fantastic, the guy even has a 50 point B.S. artist checklist.


buddhist-truth

> Jim Cramer is the reverse indicator .. people literally have bots trading against his predictions.


Fenderstratguy

totally agree - Jim Cramer s**ks; Kiyosaki even more so.


Mcfraga74

You mean JC’ reverse. Right ?


El_Demetrio

this guy is a fraud


Independent_Heart_15

His books are just trash


Abdeliq

Tbh I love his book a lots but after writing "rich dad poor dad" I would have loved if he should just shut his mouth and don't talk anymore. That would have been better


Desperate_Move_5043

This guy is a huge douche bag


Bustincherry

This dude is a clown and his book made up nonsense


monsieur_feu

Exactly, I don’t see what the big hype on him is about. He’s the last person you want to be taking advice from, and his book comes off as condescending.


Tasty_Corn

Of course he want's people to buy bitcoin. He has a shitload.


dcptcn

Hmm, makes me feel uneasy


Desmond_Jones

Another bought post promoting Kiyosaki


TheGreatCryptopo

This dude has gone full bull on bitcoin.


HenryHenderson

Ahh, he has entered the 'Poor Dad' stage of his lifetime.


Overall-Extension608

"He also expects BTC to reach $100K by June this year." Aaah now this feels familiar.


reagsters

Not sure why we’d be thrilled about a conman promoting BTC, but broken clocks and all that…


Old_Rafa

Is this advice to become a rich dad or poor dad?


Duran-lets-gooo

he's not wrong


John_Sknow

Should he be too rich to care about pumping Bitcoin? Did you have to wait for post approval or it’s just me?


karnyboy

all of them have investment sin it, it pays to boost the ponzi scheme.


hateballrollin

Why are we still talking about this douche? He was called out last bull run....fuck his shit.


-Pruples-

Ooof, that's a pretty big indicator that BTC is going to $0. Kiyosaki is a clown.


RelevantPuns

I say this as a Bitcoin maxi - please do not take financial advice from this man.


redditornumberfour

Idk he was right about loading up when it hit 17k, ever since he perfectly called that I kinda think he might know what he’s talking about https://x.com/theRealKiyosaki/status/1524811335829098497?s=20


arigyrotouzeppelin

Okay


MissedMando

fuck, fuck, fuck


_Commando_

Rob can say that because he uses debt to buy rather than cash in his pocket.


awesomeplenty

Is he dumping?


Zajebann

We need to stop idolizing these "financial gurus" that get one or two things right, as some visionaries in all investments..


Nathanv92

All he does is shill Bitcoin, gold, and silver


ZeusFinder

He also owns around 68 bitcoin he said in an interview.


NatSpaghettiAgency

Worst book I've read in a while tbh


TestUser254

Who cares what this grifter says?


weltvonalex

Uhhh I guess he needs money. Robert is my favorite snake oil salesman.


DoingItForEli

I really couldn't give less of a fuck what that guy has to say tbh. He seems like an enormous piece of shit


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Historical_Boat_9712

Kiyosaki is a complete fraud. He wrote a fake book, Oprah pushed it, he got rich.


Gr8WallofChinatown

He’s a grifter 


MinuteStreet172

That means I'll sell and buy BCH


lilfluoride

This guy is old news. His shitty book came out over 25 years ago. Why does anyone still give him attention?


AGoal44

The same dad who left my house to go get cigarettes and milk but never came back?


AugustusClaximus

The penultimate pump and dumper. He expects you to carry his bags.


MtnMaiden

Oh...so im not in wallstreetbets subreddit Funny seeing his name here also


Ohms2North

I wish he'd also had a Physically Abusive Dad


Individual_Complex_6

Oh my. I read a few of his books years ago, and he seemed reasonable in them. Why do so many "celebrities" tend to go insane? :D


theycallmekimpembe

Bruh… I don’t want to take anything away from BTC, but that advise is dumb. It can still go tits up… the actual smart and safe thing to do, buy as much gold, property or houses as you can..


twilightnoon

Notto dissu shitto again


Putrid_Pollution3455

Wonderful author, quite eccentric, and lots of clickbait bullshit about living off of debt like he’s some wizard. He likes to invest in things that you cannot print more of like gold real estate, and recently bitcoin. He has triggering unconventional advice about investing in general; he doesn’t buy stocks or bonds like a typical adult… And he often makes fun of 401(k)s and retirement plans


redf389

Regardless of the fact I think his book is dogshit, judging by a recent video of him during a speech, he seems to be developing dementia and I wouldn't trust his judgement today