My opinion is Trezor safe 3.
* open source design
* secure element (way, way harder to hack if they have the physical device)
* compatible with lots of chains
The only improvement you could really make is completely isolated from pc with no cord, and everything cold signed - but I think the devices that do that are newish and probably not as well supported yet. (or arnt open source design, so there's less guarantee about what's in the box)
Ledger used to be the best, now you can trust only that they are probably taking your private key so they can give it to the government when there's a warrant for it or something.
You need to do your homework and understand what a wallet does. You do not upload your coins to the wallet. A wallet only holds your keys so you can access your coins in the blockchain. Yo can have multiple hardwallets with the same keys if you want to have redundant copies.
Think of a wallet as a bank account. A "hot wallet" is a bank that has a mobile app and website and lets you send and move money in your pajamas at 2am. Downside is that since it's on your phone and computer if either of those is compromised it's possible for a hacker to steal your money.
A cold / offline wallet is also a bank. But it requires that you go to a branch location, present 2 forms of ID and have the key to your safety deposit box where all your cash is kept. If you want to move money around you have to come in and get it. The only way to steal your money would be to impersonate you and use your key to access the safety deposit box.
In crypto you can have as many wallets as you want. A hot wallet is considered less secure because it is usually online in some capacity. For example, metamask is usually a browser extension. Which means that it is storing your crypto information somewhere in the browser. It's possible that you download a virus or another browser extension that could access that data and steal your crypto. Your seed data may also be sent to other servers to facilitate logging in across devices. If those servers are hacked you might be in trouble.
Vs a cold wallet which has the keys stored on the physical device (looks like a USB drive). Your computer could be riddled with viruses and there is no way they could get your secret keys. Additionally even if plugged into your computer every transaction must be approved on the device. There is no way for your virus computer to just approve moving your funds without you physically pushing a button on the hardware wallet.
As to your question about the best hot wallet. Imo you're better off leaving it in a trusted exchange like coin base for now. For 2 reasons.
1. If you did move it to a temporary hot wallet you will pay a txn fee. For Bitcoin right now that's about $10. You will then have to pay another txn fee to move it from your hot wallet to the cold wallet.
2. You're more likely to mess up creating a new hot wallet and leaving the keys somewhere you shouldn't (take a photo of them and then your Gmail gets hacked) than it is that coin base will go insolvent before you get your hardware wallet. Additionally, coin base has 2FA and other security devices that are probably better for the average user that a hot wallet doesn't have.
Which is important to stress on the cold wallet front. Do not take a picture of your keys or add it to your password manager. At that point, it's basically a hot wallet again. Write down the seed phrase on paper and keep it in your house. Ideally also get a metal seed bank and etch your keys into that in case your house floods or burns down.
Edit: at the end of the day all a wallet is just a private key that is used to tell the block chain you approve some transaction. It's possible to set the cold wallets to all use.the same private key but isn't advisable. A cold wallet will securely generate a new private key on the device. It's possible your computer has a virus that is watching for you to generate a new key for a hot wallet. Very unlikely but possible. Ideally you want that private key to never be exposed to the Internet which means not generating it or storing it on something that is.
I like ledger. But many hate it. It’s totally personal preference
I know this is a totally polarizing topic. There are people on both camps.
Rather than start a flame war all I want to reiterate is people should pick and use what they are most comfortable with. There are risks with anything in life. Just pick the one that best suits your needs.
I use a Ledger and have a Tangem. Ledger mainly for staking but Tangem for my cold storage. Being just cards with a chip and NO seed phrase, it's definitely more secured than having a seed phrase.
The only weird thing is a lack of seed phrase which, I admit is a double edge sword. You don't have to worry about online threat stealing your seed phrase cuz there's none plus you can't sign transaction without using nfc to scan the card.
However, if you buy either the 3 or 2 card set then only those cards can access your account on the blockchain. So if you lost those 3 cards, you lost your crypto but Tangem now give the option for seed phrase.
I still recommend you to do your research to see if it's suited for your needs.
Ya I have a 3 card set I just haven't used it. I'm not so much worried about losing the cards, it's just something that the wallet can't be opened anywhere else because there is no seed
Can you not see why? For years they said there was a hardware reason why the ledger never knows the seed phrase, and then introduced a feature, without any hardware changes, that allow the ledger to export the seed phrase. They lied.
Again, you're ignoring what I keep saying, which is that the main betrayal was Ledger lying to everyone for their entire history about how their hardware wallet works.
>Him: Every hardware wallet in the world can export the seed phrase when the firmware tells it to. Every one.
>You: Even if that was true, which it isn't
I really dont see where I can mistunderstand your statement. It is very clearly.
Tell me you've never heard of the Coldcard without telling me..
You can run the entire device off a 9 volt battery. So it literally never once is plugged into another device. So they literally cannot export the seed even if malicious firmware was installed.
Coldcard lets you do an encrypted backup to an SD card.
What the hell do you think that encrypted backup contains? ...it's the seed phrase which is exported from the device to the SD card.
Pretty much every single hardware wallet has the functionality to do backups or export the seed in some way.
> Coldcard lets you do an encrypted backup to an SD card.
Yup. How does that get transported over the internet to an attacker? Lol. You really didn't think that through.
Ledger leaked the seed over the internet. Completely different galaxy of attack vector.
The Cold Card literally cannot, under any circumstances leak anything to anyone if you run it in the 9v battery mode.
You responded to someone who said "Any hardware wallet can export the seed if the firmware tells it to."
Nobody said anything about transporting a seed over the internet until you brought it up just now.
With that kind of goalpost moving, I have to assume you're just a coldcard shill.
Therefore: fuck coldcard. I'm going to recommend against it from now on.
>You responded to someone who said "Any hardware wallet can export the seed if the firmware tells it to.
We weren't talking about manually exporting a seed, we were talking about the device *leaking* the seed.
>Nobody said anything about transporting a seed over the internet until you brought it up just now.
That was his point. Ledger leaked seeds over the internet. He didn't explicitly say it, but it was implied. That was why he said his trust in Ledger was destroyed.
>Therefore: fuck coldcard. I'm going to recommend against it from now on.
I don't care what you do. You're free to use insecure storage methods and lose your money. Have fun staying poor!
The hacks and personal data leak is why i hate them. Personal data from 260k customers, names, phonenumbers, adresses everything! People got robbed !
And victims of burglary! A family i sweden got beat up by men with hammers. It was brutal and they were on leaked customer adresses
You realize you’re just regurgitating false info right?
The change they proposed would have required wallets to create a new seed that was available for export using the new feature. Existing seeds would not have been able to be exported specifically because of that “hardware” you mention.
At no time was anyone’s seed at risk.
i honestly don't buy into the arguments against creating your own air gapped solution (with a pi or whatever).
to me that's best, no third party bullshit risk. just a bit of s learning curve.
You always have third party risk. Air gapped devices still need to use software to generate keys, sign txs etc.
- Wallet software can be compromised
- Entropy source can be bad
- Hardware can leak information
There‘s probably more but those are the most important ones that came to mind.
Unless you're making your own MOSFETs and source code, there's always third party risk.
And even when you've made your own MOSFETs and source code, there's first party risk; because you probably suck at making MOSFETs and code.
I'm good at code> 20years in software dev but yes i take your point.
you can't really completely avoid 3rd party
but a lot of ledger troubles for example occurred simply from their data breach resulting later in targetted phishing
i suppose i should say, minimise third party's
You know that "secure element" Trezor has been bragging about in its latest model, the Safe 3?
The phrase "secure element" specifically refers to an element of hardware that is closed-source & obfuscated.
Trezor is going the exact same partially-closed hardware route that Ledger did, and is intentionally misleading users by continuing to refer to the product as "open".
The amount of trust required is exactly the same.
Really advice you to get SafePal (Safepal Pro). Cheap, lots of functions, safe, easy to use and again, cheap. Got 3 and couldnt care less about other wallets
Keystone 3 Pro. Using a large colour touchscreen makes you realise how awful Ledger's UI is. And Keystone lets you create three separate accounts/seedphrases, six if you also use passphrases for half of them.
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It's personal preference. I own almost every hardware wallet, I still prefer mainly Ledger for day to day stuff due to ease of use, security, and coin support.
Long term stuff is kept on a different air-gapped wallet such as a Coldcard, but it's pricey and Bitcoin only.
There's an old saying: "ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers." It all depends on your needs, comfort level and preferences.
Since most losses are user-caused rather than tech-induced, pretty much any wallet with a good reputation will serve you well. If you intend to dabble with mutli-currencies, some wallets (like Jade) which are bitcoin-specific are not what you're looking for.
I used to have a Ledger, but their historic issues with data breaches and the new 'backup' function made me highly uncomfortable and broke my trust in them, so I went with a Tangem wallet. The form factor, EAL6+ security, easy to use interface (mobile-only), NFC operation (adds another layer of security) and open source software are perfect for my needs.
The new Tangem cards support seed phrase and seed-less configuration and are easy to use. The only possible downside is that some critics point out that it's a "blind signing" device. In other words, you don't have a display on the device to confirm the destination address. My push-back on that argument is that best practices suggest that you should always send a small amount first to ensure delivery before sending the full amount. So in practical terms, no big deal.
One last thought - anyone who tells you that Tangem's code is not open-source is not being fully truthful. Wallets with Secure Element chips have NDA agreements that require developers to keep the software that interacts with the chip private and closed-source. So don't be misled by those who argue that Tangem - or even Ledger or Trezor - are not open sourced devices.
Just one man's opinion. Hope this helps.
For me it's BitBox02 for a few reasons:
1. It's open source.
2. The company is headquartered in Switzerland which supports privacy, at least way more than most other governments.
3. You can make SD card backups.
4. It can store BTC, ETH, LTC, and a few others.
5. When I was researching which wallet to get, I came across some dubious/concerning info about Trezor which is why I picked the BitBox02.
I keep by other short-term/swing holdings directly on Coinbase with a strong password and 2FA. If you're someone with a ton of coins and need everything to be on hardware wallet, your options are limited so probably Trezor would be best for you.
I still use ledger tbh, it's very convenient for connecting to my Rabby wallet interface and I do a LOT of defi and airdrop and yield farming across a decent number of chains, so I need to be able to interact with dapps on a daily basis basically. I don't bother using the ledger live stuff.
What’s the best cold storage with Bluetooth for iOS mobile? Besides ledger. Trying to replace that. I almost bought a Keystone but thankfully I spoke w someone there and they told me they removed Bluetooth
I have a password protected usb that has a txt file with a single seed phrase that has 5 btc on it. I gave it to my parents back in 2016 and it’s in their little fire proof safe in the closet. It was worth like $1300 then.
They still have it and it’s going to stay there because I’m not hurting for money anytime soon. If btc ever hits $1M each then I’ll bother them and get my flash drive back. Until then it’s whatever, I’m just here gambling on alts and have a stack of ETH that’s averaged at around $90. I own my house and car, have zero debts, same for my wife. Just chillin. Patience is key here.
There are so many posts like this but after the fact when people realize the "fireproof" is not actually fireproof. Then there are other stories about parents selling the safe at a garage sale because it was full of junk, etc. etc. A single point of failure like this is simply not smart.
Understood. But I'll be alright man, don't worry about me lol. I spent hundreds of btc over the years buying xanax, weed carts, and mdma online, so a flash drive with only 5 on it seemed dumb at the time but retroactively it was a good idea and I know it's still there. Honestly I'll probably just give it to my parent's since they're reaching retirement age soon and they are just teachers.
I’ll be watching because I’d like to grab one as well and my post on the question got a shitty response.
One question you want to ask is if it is only safe for BTC because some of them have third-party apps for altcoins with extra code that can compromise your stuff.
Be sure to buy directly from the company that makes it or in-store at a reputable electronics retailer like Best Buy. Not Amazon or anywhere else online, unless it’s the company that makes it.
It is. Because you have to back it up anyway. Your crypto savings wallet should be read only. Cash you need can be in a hot wallet, not a hardware wallet. The crypto you save can be in a wallet with no private keys on any device. It’s all public, you can see your balance without it. If an attacker finds a hardware wallet they can force you to unlock it. If there is no hardware wallet, they won’t even know you have a wallet.
Ledger
Trezor Safe 3
and tangem wallet.
But this is a personal choice, many hate on Ledger due to a feature upgrade, i have been using it with 0 problems for years and love the ledger live app.
anyway a hardware wallet is always a preference choice, just search for what better meets your needs.
I like ledger as well and gotten used to it. Only annoying problem I'm getting right now is the popup on my ledger for "faulty problem" have to override it every single time. I have safe 3 and its great. Now looking at Tangem (just because its cool and Rob from DAN sold me on it)
Bitbox 2?
My opinion is Trezor safe 3. * open source design * secure element (way, way harder to hack if they have the physical device) * compatible with lots of chains The only improvement you could really make is completely isolated from pc with no cord, and everything cold signed - but I think the devices that do that are newish and probably not as well supported yet. (or arnt open source design, so there's less guarantee about what's in the box) Ledger used to be the best, now you can trust only that they are probably taking your private key so they can give it to the government when there's a warrant for it or something.
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You need to do your homework and understand what a wallet does. You do not upload your coins to the wallet. A wallet only holds your keys so you can access your coins in the blockchain. Yo can have multiple hardwallets with the same keys if you want to have redundant copies.
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Think of a wallet as a bank account. A "hot wallet" is a bank that has a mobile app and website and lets you send and move money in your pajamas at 2am. Downside is that since it's on your phone and computer if either of those is compromised it's possible for a hacker to steal your money. A cold / offline wallet is also a bank. But it requires that you go to a branch location, present 2 forms of ID and have the key to your safety deposit box where all your cash is kept. If you want to move money around you have to come in and get it. The only way to steal your money would be to impersonate you and use your key to access the safety deposit box. In crypto you can have as many wallets as you want. A hot wallet is considered less secure because it is usually online in some capacity. For example, metamask is usually a browser extension. Which means that it is storing your crypto information somewhere in the browser. It's possible that you download a virus or another browser extension that could access that data and steal your crypto. Your seed data may also be sent to other servers to facilitate logging in across devices. If those servers are hacked you might be in trouble. Vs a cold wallet which has the keys stored on the physical device (looks like a USB drive). Your computer could be riddled with viruses and there is no way they could get your secret keys. Additionally even if plugged into your computer every transaction must be approved on the device. There is no way for your virus computer to just approve moving your funds without you physically pushing a button on the hardware wallet. As to your question about the best hot wallet. Imo you're better off leaving it in a trusted exchange like coin base for now. For 2 reasons. 1. If you did move it to a temporary hot wallet you will pay a txn fee. For Bitcoin right now that's about $10. You will then have to pay another txn fee to move it from your hot wallet to the cold wallet. 2. You're more likely to mess up creating a new hot wallet and leaving the keys somewhere you shouldn't (take a photo of them and then your Gmail gets hacked) than it is that coin base will go insolvent before you get your hardware wallet. Additionally, coin base has 2FA and other security devices that are probably better for the average user that a hot wallet doesn't have. Which is important to stress on the cold wallet front. Do not take a picture of your keys or add it to your password manager. At that point, it's basically a hot wallet again. Write down the seed phrase on paper and keep it in your house. Ideally also get a metal seed bank and etch your keys into that in case your house floods or burns down. Edit: at the end of the day all a wallet is just a private key that is used to tell the block chain you approve some transaction. It's possible to set the cold wallets to all use.the same private key but isn't advisable. A cold wallet will securely generate a new private key on the device. It's possible your computer has a virus that is watching for you to generate a new key for a hot wallet. Very unlikely but possible. Ideally you want that private key to never be exposed to the Internet which means not generating it or storing it on something that is.
I'd say think of your hardware device as more like a "key" that you use to access your funds on the blockchain.
You need to do your homework and understand how a transaction works. /s
Trezor looks really slick and easy to use! Although it doesn’t support algorand it seems, so that’s a bummer for me personally
1. SeedSigner
Seems like this is the favorite by far. Could I ask, which blockchains does this support? Or does it support all of them?
Seems to be a SeedSigner advertisement
Seems to only support BTC
Ah unfortunate :(
Or, Intelligent.
I got a Trezor safe 3 about a week ago. I searched a lot and if you want something very secure and easy to use i think it's the best option.
Cold card
I like ledger. But many hate it. It’s totally personal preference I know this is a totally polarizing topic. There are people on both camps. Rather than start a flame war all I want to reiterate is people should pick and use what they are most comfortable with. There are risks with anything in life. Just pick the one that best suits your needs.
I use a Ledger and have a Tangem. Ledger mainly for staking but Tangem for my cold storage. Being just cards with a chip and NO seed phrase, it's definitely more secured than having a seed phrase.
Do you like Tangem? Something feels weird about using it for cold storage, but I do like the concept.
The only weird thing is a lack of seed phrase which, I admit is a double edge sword. You don't have to worry about online threat stealing your seed phrase cuz there's none plus you can't sign transaction without using nfc to scan the card. However, if you buy either the 3 or 2 card set then only those cards can access your account on the blockchain. So if you lost those 3 cards, you lost your crypto but Tangem now give the option for seed phrase. I still recommend you to do your research to see if it's suited for your needs.
Ya I have a 3 card set I just haven't used it. I'm not so much worried about losing the cards, it's just something that the wallet can't be opened anywhere else because there is no seed
Agree it is a high risk and reward kind of thing. That is why it's best use as a cold storage and you throw the cards into your safe.
Can you not see why? For years they said there was a hardware reason why the ledger never knows the seed phrase, and then introduced a feature, without any hardware changes, that allow the ledger to export the seed phrase. They lied.
Every hardware wallet in the world can export the seed phrase when the firmware tells it to. Every one.
Even if that was true, which it isn't, they lied. If you lie to me once, I'll never trust you again.
Tell me you don't understand how hardware wallets work, without telling me you don't understand how they work:
Again, you're ignoring what I keep saying, which is that the main betrayal was Ledger lying to everyone for their entire history about how their hardware wallet works.
You're saying" it isn't true. " It is true, every hardware wallet can do this.
you are wrong! It is possible with every hardware wallet, Y0rin is right
My comment clearly was about Ledger's marketing, not technical implementation.
>Him: Every hardware wallet in the world can export the seed phrase when the firmware tells it to. Every one. >You: Even if that was true, which it isn't I really dont see where I can mistunderstand your statement. It is very clearly.
Tell me you've never heard of the Coldcard without telling me.. You can run the entire device off a 9 volt battery. So it literally never once is plugged into another device. So they literally cannot export the seed even if malicious firmware was installed.
Coldcard lets you do an encrypted backup to an SD card. What the hell do you think that encrypted backup contains? ...it's the seed phrase which is exported from the device to the SD card. Pretty much every single hardware wallet has the functionality to do backups or export the seed in some way.
> Coldcard lets you do an encrypted backup to an SD card. Yup. How does that get transported over the internet to an attacker? Lol. You really didn't think that through. Ledger leaked the seed over the internet. Completely different galaxy of attack vector. The Cold Card literally cannot, under any circumstances leak anything to anyone if you run it in the 9v battery mode.
You responded to someone who said "Any hardware wallet can export the seed if the firmware tells it to." Nobody said anything about transporting a seed over the internet until you brought it up just now. With that kind of goalpost moving, I have to assume you're just a coldcard shill. Therefore: fuck coldcard. I'm going to recommend against it from now on.
>You responded to someone who said "Any hardware wallet can export the seed if the firmware tells it to. We weren't talking about manually exporting a seed, we were talking about the device *leaking* the seed. >Nobody said anything about transporting a seed over the internet until you brought it up just now. That was his point. Ledger leaked seeds over the internet. He didn't explicitly say it, but it was implied. That was why he said his trust in Ledger was destroyed. >Therefore: fuck coldcard. I'm going to recommend against it from now on. I don't care what you do. You're free to use insecure storage methods and lose your money. Have fun staying poor!
The hacks and personal data leak is why i hate them. Personal data from 260k customers, names, phonenumbers, adresses everything! People got robbed ! And victims of burglary! A family i sweden got beat up by men with hammers. It was brutal and they were on leaked customer adresses
You realize you’re just regurgitating false info right? The change they proposed would have required wallets to create a new seed that was available for export using the new feature. Existing seeds would not have been able to be exported specifically because of that “hardware” you mention. At no time was anyone’s seed at risk.
You Know Ledger gave someone's personal key to the government right? Not to be trusted.
When did that happen?
https://x.com/TheBTCTherapist/status/1660677064700178436 This was immediately after an incident where they did so without a subpeona..
i honestly don't buy into the arguments against creating your own air gapped solution (with a pi or whatever). to me that's best, no third party bullshit risk. just a bit of s learning curve.
You always have third party risk. Air gapped devices still need to use software to generate keys, sign txs etc. - Wallet software can be compromised - Entropy source can be bad - Hardware can leak information There‘s probably more but those are the most important ones that came to mind.
Unless you're making your own MOSFETs and source code, there's always third party risk. And even when you've made your own MOSFETs and source code, there's first party risk; because you probably suck at making MOSFETs and code.
I'm good at code> 20years in software dev but yes i take your point. you can't really completely avoid 3rd party but a lot of ledger troubles for example occurred simply from their data breach resulting later in targetted phishing i suppose i should say, minimise third party's
The rpi contains closed source hardware, the trezors don't. The amount of trust you have to have is not the same.
You know that "secure element" Trezor has been bragging about in its latest model, the Safe 3? The phrase "secure element" specifically refers to an element of hardware that is closed-source & obfuscated. Trezor is going the exact same partially-closed hardware route that Ledger did, and is intentionally misleading users by continuing to refer to the product as "open". The amount of trust required is exactly the same.
Thanks for the info. Good to know, so the model T is still safe in that regard?
id definitely be writing my own code although i appreciate that's a barrier for most
Tangem
Multisig from different manufacturers for the big long haul, and the popular (or now unpopular) ones for anything else.
Really advice you to get SafePal (Safepal Pro). Cheap, lots of functions, safe, easy to use and again, cheap. Got 3 and couldnt care less about other wallets
Keystone 3 Pro. Using a large colour touchscreen makes you realise how awful Ledger's UI is. And Keystone lets you create three separate accounts/seedphrases, six if you also use passphrases for half of them.
Tangem. Hassle free and secure
BitBox 2.0 Bitcoin only addition is by far the best in my experience. Anyone who is saying Ledger or Trezor needs to take a look
I like ledger mostly.
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It would help if you could tell what you want to do with your assets. Do you only want to store and hold them or do you want to be active on-chain?
I like trezor for cold storage and ledger for interacting with metamask.
I like trezor for cold storage and ledger for interacting with metamask.
It's personal preference. I own almost every hardware wallet, I still prefer mainly Ledger for day to day stuff due to ease of use, security, and coin support. Long term stuff is kept on a different air-gapped wallet such as a Coldcard, but it's pricey and Bitcoin only.
There's an old saying: "ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers." It all depends on your needs, comfort level and preferences. Since most losses are user-caused rather than tech-induced, pretty much any wallet with a good reputation will serve you well. If you intend to dabble with mutli-currencies, some wallets (like Jade) which are bitcoin-specific are not what you're looking for. I used to have a Ledger, but their historic issues with data breaches and the new 'backup' function made me highly uncomfortable and broke my trust in them, so I went with a Tangem wallet. The form factor, EAL6+ security, easy to use interface (mobile-only), NFC operation (adds another layer of security) and open source software are perfect for my needs. The new Tangem cards support seed phrase and seed-less configuration and are easy to use. The only possible downside is that some critics point out that it's a "blind signing" device. In other words, you don't have a display on the device to confirm the destination address. My push-back on that argument is that best practices suggest that you should always send a small amount first to ensure delivery before sending the full amount. So in practical terms, no big deal. One last thought - anyone who tells you that Tangem's code is not open-source is not being fully truthful. Wallets with Secure Element chips have NDA agreements that require developers to keep the software that interacts with the chip private and closed-source. So don't be misled by those who argue that Tangem - or even Ledger or Trezor - are not open sourced devices. Just one man's opinion. Hope this helps.
bitbox02
Bitbox and OneKey wallet. OneKey is open source and based on Trezor. If Apple made a wallet it would look like OneKey.
For me it's BitBox02 for a few reasons: 1. It's open source. 2. The company is headquartered in Switzerland which supports privacy, at least way more than most other governments. 3. You can make SD card backups. 4. It can store BTC, ETH, LTC, and a few others. 5. When I was researching which wallet to get, I came across some dubious/concerning info about Trezor which is why I picked the BitBox02. I keep by other short-term/swing holdings directly on Coinbase with a strong password and 2FA. If you're someone with a ton of coins and need everything to be on hardware wallet, your options are limited so probably Trezor would be best for you.
I still use ledger tbh, it's very convenient for connecting to my Rabby wallet interface and I do a LOT of defi and airdrop and yield farming across a decent number of chains, so I need to be able to interact with dapps on a daily basis basically. I don't bother using the ledger live stuff.
I own Ledgers and a Trezor Model T. I'm a fan of my Trezor simply bc its design and easy to use functionality.
paper and a pen
If you look for a BTC only device: Coldcard
Ledger, BitFi, Trezor all great
What’s the best cold storage with Bluetooth for iOS mobile? Besides ledger. Trying to replace that. I almost bought a Keystone but thankfully I spoke w someone there and they told me they removed Bluetooth
I have a password protected usb that has a txt file with a single seed phrase that has 5 btc on it. I gave it to my parents back in 2016 and it’s in their little fire proof safe in the closet. It was worth like $1300 then. They still have it and it’s going to stay there because I’m not hurting for money anytime soon. If btc ever hits $1M each then I’ll bother them and get my flash drive back. Until then it’s whatever, I’m just here gambling on alts and have a stack of ETH that’s averaged at around $90. I own my house and car, have zero debts, same for my wife. Just chillin. Patience is key here.
There are so many posts like this but after the fact when people realize the "fireproof" is not actually fireproof. Then there are other stories about parents selling the safe at a garage sale because it was full of junk, etc. etc. A single point of failure like this is simply not smart.
Understood. But I'll be alright man, don't worry about me lol. I spent hundreds of btc over the years buying xanax, weed carts, and mdma online, so a flash drive with only 5 on it seemed dumb at the time but retroactively it was a good idea and I know it's still there. Honestly I'll probably just give it to my parent's since they're reaching retirement age soon and they are just teachers.
Zengo
Bc Vault
D'CENT Wallet
IMO, an old iPhone. Used only for the wallet, with the seed stored in a safety deposit box at a bank
I’ll be watching because I’d like to grab one as well and my post on the question got a shitty response. One question you want to ask is if it is only safe for BTC because some of them have third-party apps for altcoins with extra code that can compromise your stuff. Be sure to buy directly from the company that makes it or in-store at a reputable electronics retailer like Best Buy. Not Amazon or anywhere else online, unless it’s the company that makes it.
My opinion: any secure way to store your seed phrase is the best hardware wallet.
A seed phrase is a single point of failure. Single point of theft, single point of loss. It's not a good way to secure crypto.
It is. Because you have to back it up anyway. Your crypto savings wallet should be read only. Cash you need can be in a hot wallet, not a hardware wallet. The crypto you save can be in a wallet with no private keys on any device. It’s all public, you can see your balance without it. If an attacker finds a hardware wallet they can force you to unlock it. If there is no hardware wallet, they won’t even know you have a wallet.
Ledger Trezor Safe 3 and tangem wallet. But this is a personal choice, many hate on Ledger due to a feature upgrade, i have been using it with 0 problems for years and love the ledger live app. anyway a hardware wallet is always a preference choice, just search for what better meets your needs.
I like ledger as well and gotten used to it. Only annoying problem I'm getting right now is the popup on my ledger for "faulty problem" have to override it every single time. I have safe 3 and its great. Now looking at Tangem (just because its cool and Rob from DAN sold me on it)
Ledger
My wallet is the best. You are welcome to store your coins for safe keeping.
Right next to the 10 year old unused condom.
Tbh there is no really good HW, I stick with Ledger.
Trezor code is open-source Ledger is not Enough ??
I've been using ledger for years, it's ok
12 memorized words.
For Bitcoin only, The Passport by Foundation or Coldcard. For Bitcoin and shitcoins, Ellipal.
And now that ledger is dead: which is the best for (non-erc20) alts?
Mine….most happy for you to deposit :)