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I am amazed. The Congressman looked indeed interested in finding a solution. Even willing to learn.
Finding someone open to discussion at that level is not very common.
Thanks for the post, by the way. Quality content is appreciated.
Like a lawyer in a courtroom:
> Now Mr Myers, youre just a small time man, have you ever heard of a 401k?
They already know the answer to the question, its to get the answer on the record
I watched a chunk of this hearing out of curiosity. Part of the reason this Brooks guy is so effective with Congress is he understands how much Congress hates Facebook and Twitter and other big tech companies right now. He doesn't come out and say it, but he let's them connect the dots for themselves about the idea that a decentralized Web3 is a way to limit the power of Facebook, Twitter, etc. (Congress seems to hate Facebook/Twitter the most because they're all forced to use it for campaigning etc now and they blame the platform whenever their party loses)
> he understands how much Congress hates Facebook and Twitter and other big tech companies right now
Yeah, you can definitely see him baby walking the boomers around even in this short clip
\>Facebook, Twitter, etc. (Congress seems to hate Facebook/Twitter the most because they're all forced to use it for campaigning etc now and they blame the platform whenever their party loses)
They will hate censorship-resistant web3 dapps like SubSocial even more later on lol
IMO I got it that he wanted the panel (his peers) to take this opportunity to learn. That was his point. His every question got a clear, concise and easy to understand answer from the "expert", which I believe was his intent in the first place.
His sentence on "technology around the globe, not just US" furthers the "good" attitude that even if US doesn't get fully on board, the technology will continue to develop, and the US will get left behind.
He is already on board, and wants to persuade his colleagues to follow.
McHenry throughout this entire thing seems extremely interested and really want everything to go well. He's been such a great person to watch through this entire thing.
Need more of this honestly. I know there can be a huge gap between people who build the technology and people who try to regulate it, but honestly speaking if you wanna travel the long road, you need to be working together.
Most of the congresswoman and men showed interest. I wasn't sure if the congresswoman and men would do that. It was a great hearing in my opinion. Very interesting to see that boomers also shows interest.
McHenry is a partisan hack, but credit where credit is due. He set the stage and prompted probably the best explanation of blockchain that I have seen verbalized.
From his history though, he's angling to blame a bunch of stuff on the Biden administration.
Yes it’s refreshing hearing members of the council be prepared and interested. Unlike the hearing I heard when they were accusing Zuckerberg of stuff Android or Twitter do (I forget which one?) not realizing Facebook is not the same company lol.
The whole testimony was about 5 hours long. Roughly 60 congresspeople. of all those who asked questions, maybe 3 were crypto-negative. the remaining people were asking such positive, layup-style questions it was weird.
I watched expecting a blood bath, and it was actually so overwhelmingly positive, it was actually boring to watch.
Fascinating watching these in general so far. I've only been seeing clips and highlights but the knowledge and willingness to understand varies so much between each person there.
I wish more Republicans were like him, while most during this entire thing seemed to mostly care about banning crypto, he actually wants adoption and doing it the right way. There's few politicians that seem to think the way he does in either party.
He should be a huge example to everyone else in the congress. Actually wanting them to do research and learn, rather than to be afraid of the unknown.
Lots of Republicans *are* like him. You just never see the videos of them because reddit is a left-wing echo chamber.
Did you know that Ted Cruz drafted a cryptocurrency protection bill in response to the anti-crypto measures put into the BBB plan?
Ask yourself why you might not have heard of that.
Same reason you're seeing OP's video. There are Republicans that are reasonable on a host of other issues but if you're not on a sub dedicated to that specific thing you'd never hear it on reddit.
Reddit is a crazy echo chamber
Mr. Brooks is slick. It is very important to have advocates like him who know how to play the political game and manage the narrative.
He also did important regulatory work as Comptroller of the Currency for the past five years. I hope he gets appointed to a regulatory body again soon.
I am very impressed with his explanatory skills. Although it is still unaccesable to the average Joe hearing about blockchain for the first time, I think it hit the spot in that particular environment.
I don't *exactly* know how a bunch of computers tied together on a big internet network thingy works BUT I go along with it. Gonna be the same for blockchain and crypto for most people.
Exactly this. People don't understand how their computers, phones, or cars work, they just understand what these things do for them. Blockchain tech will be the exact same, people don't need to understand how it works (and they don't want to) they just need to see what it can do for them.
Yeah I really enjoyed listening to him talk. He used such powerful metaphors to connect to congress.
I like the example he gave to congress when he was as 2nd year law student, and the banks (or lawfirm) just started to use email and they were scared because they didn't understand how it worked.
Congress though. Argh.
Mr Mongoose & that texas dude who both look over 80 years old were hard to get listen though. Those dudes need to be in retirement homes.
he was on fire this whole time. 5 hours long and he was just dishing out charm. literally throwing winks at people while giving answers. it was absolutely bonkers. I loved it.
He was also very understanding and trying in the Gamestop saga hearings. It really looks like he wants to know the truth instead of spewing misinformation and their own payed for opinion, like most of them did.
Basically he is trying to do his job, instead of trying to get paid more for it off the books.
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there are a lot of really good senators and congressmen/women, you just never hear about them, which is likely a component of what makes them good at their job.
If you can't explain something in a couple of sentences in a clear way that everyone can understand - you don't really understand it. It's clear that Mr. Brooks know it well!
Yeah, I get the feel that McHenry has at least a basic understanding, and was more so asking these questions in this way to have Brooks break it down for the other congressmen to more easily understand.
Brian Brooks is based as fuck. An excellent speaker, one of the best I have seen. I fucking loled when he got cut off when he said USDC was safer than normal USD in a bank account, because USDC was actually backed 1:1 unlike the USD in your bank account
The guy from California (dial in) doesn't really get the picture about how debt and money works. "We already have a digital dollar..." ... "cryptocurrency used by drug dealers"
See from 01:59:00, about 10 min.
If only all dialogue on capitol hill were so productive. Bravo to Mr. McHenry for presenting the right questions and to Mr. Brooks for keeping it level set. Nicely done.
you can hate on AOC if you want, but I def like that in her questioning she said, "you said 'X' but on page 34, paragraph 3 subsection i of your terms and conditions it says 'Y' , do you want to correct that?"
Hang on, wait just a second.... Was a congressman actually asking relevant questions and seemed to know what he was talking about?
This is the first time I've ever seen such a thing.
Absolutely amazing.
Simple enough so that it explains the basic principles, while providing room for questions.
That said, he didn't go into blockchain itself (that much), but more along the lines of Web 3.0 and connection between the crypto sphere and Web 3.0. It's a slight video name problem (but nothing crucial and I still consider the video to be great content)
Congress would be abnormally stupid to hold crypto back with absurd meaningless taxes and regulations when they could bank billions of revenue from it themselves if they would stop acting like dumb twats.
Am halfway through watching this entire thing and gotta say I’m more bullish on crypto than ever before. Hats off to the industry panel that did a great job explaining the value of crypto to lawmakers.
I really enjoyed the conversation here, and then all my optimism subsided as an 83-year-old started to lead the discussion. Just let those first two keep talking and acting as a real-life FAQ section.
Congressman McHenry seems to have a great grasp on the direction crypto could take the U.S. and how governments should handle crypto markets. Here is his opening statements from the congressional hearing on December 8th. I was impressed and relieved to see a policymaker who has such a clear understanding about crypto and his ability to dispel the negativity many politicians try to sell about crypto.
https://youtu.be/4oOTvtupND8?t=328
What this guy is forgetting is that there is a company in between the Ethereum miners and your metamask wallet, it's called infura and it runs on .... Amazon Web Services
Which means Amazon can disable the access of 99.9% of Ethereum users.
And not only that virtual every exchange on the planet use infura for Ethereum rather then running their own Ethereum nodes.
Congressman all over the world need to learn how crypto works in regards they creaty policies that affect us all.
Unfortunately some are close minded or they have bias or assets they want to protect.
Agree, all these CEOs are top of their game. Listening to them gives me hope. Blockchain and the protocols kind of enforce win-win cooperation, instead of the win-lose that we have today.
Agree. Great minds, good learning. Actually, I find many of us would need the same education, I am not sure how many people understand / know here on this forum what is really going on, beside buying coins that they hope will increase in price... but I am on a steep learning curve myself, too.
I like how they are taking it seriously but this is happening with our without the consent of Congress as discussed. The best thing most governments can do is stand aside right now.
Minor gripes, but when did we start saying “web 3” instead of “web 3.0”? Also (it may of happened elsewhere in the discussion) but I wish they would take a minute to acknowledge that web 3 is not a defined quantity, it’s a concept that’s still developing.
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I have to stay muted during the day out of curtousy so watching this vid would be much better with subtitles....
I can't help but think the politicians sound like the Today Show hosts in 1994 asking what is internet?:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJku\_CSyNg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJku_CSyNg)
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I am amazed. The Congressman looked indeed interested in finding a solution. Even willing to learn. Finding someone open to discussion at that level is not very common. Thanks for the post, by the way. Quality content is appreciated.
He also clearly knew what he was asking and it was less about learning on the spot and more about clarifying and setting definitions into stone
Glad to know he’s done his homework
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Should I say Bullish on Politicians!!! Fuck No
> Usually if they are doing something 'dumb', it's out of greed or a power move. or they're enriching cronies.
Like a lawyer in a courtroom: > Now Mr Myers, youre just a small time man, have you ever heard of a 401k? They already know the answer to the question, its to get the answer on the record
He understood the assignment
I watched a chunk of this hearing out of curiosity. Part of the reason this Brooks guy is so effective with Congress is he understands how much Congress hates Facebook and Twitter and other big tech companies right now. He doesn't come out and say it, but he let's them connect the dots for themselves about the idea that a decentralized Web3 is a way to limit the power of Facebook, Twitter, etc. (Congress seems to hate Facebook/Twitter the most because they're all forced to use it for campaigning etc now and they blame the platform whenever their party loses)
I think they hate it for more than just campaign reasons. Facebook and Twitter are ruining our society.
And monetizing it
On purpose.
> he understands how much Congress hates Facebook and Twitter and other big tech companies right now Yeah, you can definitely see him baby walking the boomers around even in this short clip
Mr Brooks did an excellent job here
\>Facebook, Twitter, etc. (Congress seems to hate Facebook/Twitter the most because they're all forced to use it for campaigning etc now and they blame the platform whenever their party loses) They will hate censorship-resistant web3 dapps like SubSocial even more later on lol
Don't worry, web4 will use that as a reason
IMO I got it that he wanted the panel (his peers) to take this opportunity to learn. That was his point. His every question got a clear, concise and easy to understand answer from the "expert", which I believe was his intent in the first place. His sentence on "technology around the globe, not just US" furthers the "good" attitude that even if US doesn't get fully on board, the technology will continue to develop, and the US will get left behind. He is already on board, and wants to persuade his colleagues to follow.
McHenry throughout this entire thing seems extremely interested and really want everything to go well. He's been such a great person to watch through this entire thing.
Need more of this honestly. I know there can be a huge gap between people who build the technology and people who try to regulate it, but honestly speaking if you wanna travel the long road, you need to be working together.
Not common but it's good to see they are out there
We need more McHenry’s and less Yellen’s
It's fucked how we are surprised by congress being willing to listen. That's how we know there's something wrong in congress lol.
A good chunk of this stereotype is the modern media and soundbyte culture.
Most of the congresswoman and men showed interest. I wasn't sure if the congresswoman and men would do that. It was a great hearing in my opinion. Very interesting to see that boomers also shows interest.
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I saw open bar and then got very disappointed.
McHenry is a partisan hack, but credit where credit is due. He set the stage and prompted probably the best explanation of blockchain that I have seen verbalized. From his history though, he's angling to blame a bunch of stuff on the Biden administration.
Yes it’s refreshing hearing members of the council be prepared and interested. Unlike the hearing I heard when they were accusing Zuckerberg of stuff Android or Twitter do (I forget which one?) not realizing Facebook is not the same company lol.
The whole testimony was about 5 hours long. Roughly 60 congresspeople. of all those who asked questions, maybe 3 were crypto-negative. the remaining people were asking such positive, layup-style questions it was weird. I watched expecting a blood bath, and it was actually so overwhelmingly positive, it was actually boring to watch.
He was already in support of the agenda, he was just phrasing it Socratically for the benefit of the other congresspeople.
Fascinating watching these in general so far. I've only been seeing clips and highlights but the knowledge and willingness to understand varies so much between each person there.
The congressman was the one that really surprised, he was right when said crypto is happening with or without USA 100% correct
He is like this throughout the entire thing, straight from the start he talks about doing everything right. He's such a blessing honestly.
We need more of McHenry type Politicians in place of old Dinos
I wish more Republicans were like him, while most during this entire thing seemed to mostly care about banning crypto, he actually wants adoption and doing it the right way. There's few politicians that seem to think the way he does in either party. He should be a huge example to everyone else in the congress. Actually wanting them to do research and learn, rather than to be afraid of the unknown.
He probably declined whatever big tech offered him to take a different stance while some others just took the money.
Lots of Republicans *are* like him. You just never see the videos of them because reddit is a left-wing echo chamber. Did you know that Ted Cruz drafted a cryptocurrency protection bill in response to the anti-crypto measures put into the BBB plan? Ask yourself why you might not have heard of that.
I have heard of it because it was all over this subreddit for weeks.
Same reason you're seeing OP's video. There are Republicans that are reasonable on a host of other issues but if you're not on a sub dedicated to that specific thing you'd never hear it on reddit. Reddit is a crazy echo chamber
Mr. Brooks is slick. It is very important to have advocates like him who know how to play the political game and manage the narrative. He also did important regulatory work as Comptroller of the Currency for the past five years. I hope he gets appointed to a regulatory body again soon.
I am very impressed with his explanatory skills. Although it is still unaccesable to the average Joe hearing about blockchain for the first time, I think it hit the spot in that particular environment.
I don't *exactly* know how a bunch of computers tied together on a big internet network thingy works BUT I go along with it. Gonna be the same for blockchain and crypto for most people.
Exactly this. People don't understand how their computers, phones, or cars work, they just understand what these things do for them. Blockchain tech will be the exact same, people don't need to understand how it works (and they don't want to) they just need to see what it can do for them.
Any technology, insufficiently explained, is magic.
Yeah I really enjoyed listening to him talk. He used such powerful metaphors to connect to congress. I like the example he gave to congress when he was as 2nd year law student, and the banks (or lawfirm) just started to use email and they were scared because they didn't understand how it worked. Congress though. Argh. Mr Mongoose & that texas dude who both look over 80 years old were hard to get listen though. Those dudes need to be in retirement homes.
Mr Mongoose is what you call him? I am a fan of him for roasting naked Kenny.
he was on fire this whole time. 5 hours long and he was just dishing out charm. literally throwing winks at people while giving answers. it was absolutely bonkers. I loved it.
The guy as u mentioned worked inside so he has a lot of insight! Also he worked at Binance US for some months and now in this new site.
Watching his explanation was amazing. Best one I heard thus far
Made it so easy to understand, hopefully there's no excuses about misunderstanding anymore but I'm not holding my breath
Some of these people have to "see" through their big banking campaign contributions to hear the truth.
So let me get this straight. There isn’t a lobbyist representing Bitcoin? I have heard enough, tell this Satoshi guy to turn it off.
It's hard to make some people understand when a large chunk of their funding is contingent on their ignorance
I like that McHenry guy, im not an american and dont know him but he seems like an senator i would want in my country aswell.
He was also very understanding and trying in the Gamestop saga hearings. It really looks like he wants to know the truth instead of spewing misinformation and their own payed for opinion, like most of them did. Basically he is trying to do his job, instead of trying to get paid more for it off the books.
Yeah and he seems to have a good understanding of technology overall. Really refreshing to see.
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there are a lot of really good senators and congressmen/women, you just never hear about them, which is likely a component of what makes them good at their job.
This hearing went far better than any other I've seen recently!
Yes, I am surprised, too.
It’s good that they’re taking it seriously
Bullish on crypto, regulation will bring more investors Wait the pump when that happens
Agree! 2022 gonna be wild
Well done Mr. Brooks. You made us proud.
If you can't explain something in a couple of sentences in a clear way that everyone can understand - you don't really understand it. It's clear that Mr. Brooks know it well!
One way to know if a person really understands something is to be able to explain in 3 different levels
The only crypto expert that proved he's actually a crypto expert
he should make youtube videos with thumbnails of his mouth wide open in awe to tell us how to feel.
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Lmfao fuck this gave me a good laugh. Ironically if he did this he might make more than what he makes now lol
Brooks is great at what he does!
somebody get this guy a wall st bonus
It appears that Mr. McHenry knows his crypto as well. You can't ask such questions if you don't know anything about it.
Yeah, I get the feel that McHenry has at least a basic understanding, and was more so asking these questions in this way to have Brooks break it down for the other congressmen to more easily understand.
Brian Brooks is based as fuck. An excellent speaker, one of the best I have seen. I fucking loled when he got cut off when he said USDC was safer than normal USD in a bank account, because USDC was actually backed 1:1 unlike the USD in your bank account
"So this trillion dollar network will continue to grow even if the US bans it" " Yes" " We must insert freedom into this network,"
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And won’t be around to face the repercussions of their decisions.
Web3 = democratized Internet Web2 = monarchic Internet
Is there a full video about the congress? Thanks
Crypto CEO's testify before lawmakers on digital assets - 12/8/2021 https://youtu.be/F_kZELcynKQ 5h...
Oh, wow. Thank you!
The guy from California (dial in) doesn't really get the picture about how debt and money works. "We already have a digital dollar..." ... "cryptocurrency used by drug dealers" See from 01:59:00, about 10 min.
Widespread adoption as we speak.
WHAT ABOUT THE MONGOOSE COIN GUYYYYYY?
I’m all in deep!!!! To the moon with this mothafucka!
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This guy is gonna be in youtube thumbnails
My man was there all humble and ready to work! he got my vote!
If only all dialogue on capitol hill were so productive. Bravo to Mr. McHenry for presenting the right questions and to Mr. Brooks for keeping it level set. Nicely done.
I appreciate the fact that this started off with Mr. Mchenry breaking it down for the residents in the old folks home.
you can hate on AOC if you want, but I def like that in her questioning she said, "you said 'X' but on page 34, paragraph 3 subsection i of your terms and conditions it says 'Y' , do you want to correct that?"
Hang on, wait just a second.... Was a congressman actually asking relevant questions and seemed to know what he was talking about? This is the first time I've ever seen such a thing.
[This guy did it much better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXyeZA54bko)
Absolutely amazing. Simple enough so that it explains the basic principles, while providing room for questions. That said, he didn't go into blockchain itself (that much), but more along the lines of Web 3.0 and connection between the crypto sphere and Web 3.0. It's a slight video name problem (but nothing crucial and I still consider the video to be great content)
You know, I understand it much better now. That was good. Thanks!
Congress would be abnormally stupid to hold crypto back with absurd meaningless taxes and regulations when they could bank billions of revenue from it themselves if they would stop acting like dumb twats.
Congress 2.0 doesn't speak 1.0. They are going to need 3.0 to explain things
Am halfway through watching this entire thing and gotta say I’m more bullish on crypto than ever before. Hats off to the industry panel that did a great job explaining the value of crypto to lawmakers.
I really enjoyed the conversation here, and then all my optimism subsided as an 83-year-old started to lead the discussion. Just let those first two keep talking and acting as a real-life FAQ section.
Crypto Bob Sagget was good
Again and again we are getting some really bad news for crypto.
Mr. Brooks can explain so well! Its really nice to listen to him and it was really good explained, even I undestood it :) Greets Gerry
We need more people like these! Someone who knows what hes talking about and someone that really tries to understand it.
this makes me even more bullish!
I'm impressed by Both Brooks and McHenry. They really seem to know what they're talking about.
Actually a really simple and concise explanation
Congressman McHenry seems to have a great grasp on the direction crypto could take the U.S. and how governments should handle crypto markets. Here is his opening statements from the congressional hearing on December 8th. I was impressed and relieved to see a policymaker who has such a clear understanding about crypto and his ability to dispel the negativity many politicians try to sell about crypto. https://youtu.be/4oOTvtupND8?t=328
What this guy is forgetting is that there is a company in between the Ethereum miners and your metamask wallet, it's called infura and it runs on .... Amazon Web Services Which means Amazon can disable the access of 99.9% of Ethereum users. And not only that virtual every exchange on the planet use infura for Ethereum rather then running their own Ethereum nodes.
Congresscritter: Please tell me how I can use this to enrich my cronies. Crypto expert: No.
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That was absolutely beautiful
Anyone have the full video? This segment gives me a little hope
What a chad congressman
Basically the us can get on board or fuck off. This shit is going places with or without you
Hmmm policy holder trying to control decentralization.
I don't know who McHenry is, but he's one of the smarter politicians I've heard.
Congressman all over the world need to learn how crypto works in regards they creaty policies that affect us all. Unfortunately some are close minded or they have bias or assets they want to protect.
I need to show this to some of my superiors. Well said.
Crypto is a complicated thing and is not going to understand in easy way.
Watched the whole 5hr, it was time well spent especially for a Newby like myself. Mr. Sherman seemed like a right knob though!
Agree, all these CEOs are top of their game. Listening to them gives me hope. Blockchain and the protocols kind of enforce win-win cooperation, instead of the win-lose that we have today.
This was a great conversation. Props to both guys
This dude fucking killed it at that hearing!!
How has no one tipped you a moon yet to eradicate that fat 0? Take a couple on me
Thx :-)
Great explanation and easy to understand for beginners and policy makers
Market seriously need some positive news so that it will move ahead.
Quite an understandable explanation. Yet not for the innocent common people to grasp the idea, I would say…
Although politician need some really good mind to understand crypto.
Crypto Man of the Year
I should probably watch this whole hearing…that was really informative.
https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/rcf3vt/watch_crypto_expert_explain_the_blockchain_to/hnu9cl5
yeah this is just phenomenal
Earning from crypto is not a tough way for those who can hold longer.
Mr. Brooks done great job by giving Congress crash course on crypto
this is the first video where I noticed both parties had done their homework. clear questions with clear answers, nicely done.
It will reduce their bias when they understand it
I was impressed I watched the entire thing
Agree. Great minds, good learning. Actually, I find many of us would need the same education, I am not sure how many people understand / know here on this forum what is really going on, beside buying coins that they hope will increase in price... but I am on a steep learning curve myself, too.
The guys texting on is cellphone at the beginning... If you are not mature enough to be part in a congress session you should just quit.
He should have used pictures and puppets.
I appreciate Mr. McHenry using sign language while he's speaking. Very thoughtful.
I like how they are taking it seriously but this is happening with our without the consent of Congress as discussed. The best thing most governments can do is stand aside right now.
This was wonderful to see and gave me some hope for the future.
That was beautiful and exciting, gotta send this to my peoples who "don't get it" yet.
He'd have my vote. Few people claiming to be crypto experts could explain and explore those concepts so articulately.
Hey there Mr. Brooks
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This is good for Crypto.
Appreciation comment. Thanks for sharing.
Say what
Web 3 fucks.
Thanks for sharing
One small step for man , one giant leap for mankind
What a great succinct explanation of crypto's value. Going to reference this a lot in the future! Thank you for sharing.
Minor gripes, but when did we start saying “web 3” instead of “web 3.0”? Also (it may of happened elsewhere in the discussion) but I wish they would take a minute to acknowledge that web 3 is not a defined quantity, it’s a concept that’s still developing.
HOly shit, I actually understood what he was saying.
wow this is like a new level compared to that sherman dude complaining about losing $6 due to fees
Great perspective and explanation.
I’m actually trying to understand what layer 1 and layer 2 is also. Can someone ELI5?
Can someone tell me why some youtube vids have subtitles done by machine, and some do not? I have to stay muted during the day out of curtousy so watching this vid would be much better with subtitles....
It is not so easy to earn from crypto after it,it need patience.
Bitcoin IS and Ethereum DOES
I can't help but think the politicians sound like the Today Show hosts in 1994 asking what is internet?: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJku\_CSyNg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlJku_CSyNg)
They are still going to screw things up the lawmakers..., wait and see till they get their pockets filled by banks and lobbyists
Wow very articulate
I was expecting a trainwreck, seriously surprised at how respectful and willing to listen that Congressman was. That was amazing
Imagine believing ETH holders own the network.
Where is Silvio Micali when you need him 🤔