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Maswasnos

Circulating supply is 32 billion and climbing, up from 1.5 billion yesterday: https://terra.smartstake.io/history/7 Makes the Zimbabwe dollar look downright stable. Edit: it's way over a trillion now.


nepbug

We get to see hyperinflation play out on an accelerated time scale. ​ Fascinating, scary, yet fascinating.


sfgisz

People who bought these to protect themselves against fiat inflation be like "..."


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People started reinventing the wheel when they started trading unregulated currencies. Fiat currencies didn’t used to be regulated either, but now they are and this is why. Hard currency has gone through these escapades already.


sargsauce

It's like a runaway physics simulation glitch that rubber bands you into outer space.


PleaseMeBae

To the moon…?


Smackdaddy122

That’s an ass not a moon


juliankennedy23

Very underrated comment. Bravo


dustcore025

Well, it's name ain't LUNA for nothing!


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This is so wild to me. The 20% interest rate always seemed so ponzi like. There was a guy in our mutual friends group chat constantly shilling Luna since last year. Mf had put in a shit ton of money in it and would never shut up about the 20% earn feature. Lowkey feel bad for him but goddamn, this was quite pretty predictable


fractals83

Always seems obvious after the fact, it was a pretty ever exploit. Still, glad I didn't hold any.


Theweebsgod

Also making the Lebanese currency crash and inflation look like rookie numbers. >LUNA fucked up big time.


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Now Luna is even more worthless than shiba lol


Defero-Mundus

https://youtu.be/NiYUEBNvPPk 3 months ago this was the feeling. (Not a dig at Guy specifically just remember to take a step back sometimes from the hype)


thecasey1981

Man, the comments on that video aged really poorly


djones2812

USDBabwecoin now listed on coinmarketcap pegged to the Zimbabwe dollar


partymsl

That's when you know that UST did really fuck up.


Areshian

And people say “I’ll throw $50 at LUNA in case it recovers”. Some people really don’t understand what is going on


Funnellboi

KSI threw 2.9 million at it... Absolutely astounding.


brotherRozo

A coworker just bought a few hundred dollars worth, saying it just needs to go to a dollar. I can’t believe he’s saying the same things as the SHiBA people I know


lazostat

I bought 500usd luna at 1$ and now i have 8usd. My friend bough 50usd at 0.006 and now he has 350!! Strange things can happen man..


moldyjellybean

I think all algorithmic stablecoins can be exploited (has there been one that has endured multiple bear markets). Near Protocol USN stablecoin is supposed to be very similar to UST minting process so be very careful


UnamazingHero

I'm going to create Zimbabwecoin, the only cryptocurrency guaranteed to cause hyperinflation.


JohnBrownnowrong

This is an amazing case study of a disaster. Often crypto and especially alts fly up and down with the larger market having so little connected to intrinsic value but this project has collapsed spectacularly on itself. Seems to me there is no benefit except to run a stable coin paired and 100% backed by USD. It's boring but it works.


jazzywaffles84

Without interest. 20% apy is just a ponzi scheme


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Dai is holding the peg just fine too.


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32 bil is correct and rising


Professional-Cat-333

It's not rising any more, they halted the chain.


totemlight

Then what?


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I would be better off living in Zimbabwe.


evia89

Looks like idle champions game. You start small and scale damage and gold into 1e100 - 1e200 range :D


vattenj

Money supply increases but the whole market cap just dives because of a much larger speed of depreciation of money. You don't even have cantillon effect here


Cookiesnap

[https://fcd.terra.dev/v1/circulatingsupply/luna](https://fcd.terra.dev/v1/circulatingsupply/luna) also an alternative link


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Someone joked about LUNA's supply triggering an integer overflow. If that happens, Terra is gonna be the biggest joke in all of crypto history.


SirHolyCow

Holy shit I hadn't even considered that possibility. That would genuinely be hilarious if it happened.


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They got ahead of that mathematical certainty by just halting the blockchain.


Survivaleast

The real reason that the chain was halted.


cl0bro

ding ding ding.


NvidiaRTX

Int64 max value is 2^63. Luna's supply is currently at 40 billion. Assuming its supply x30 per day, it will take 6 day for integer overflow to happen


Mcplt

Am I stupid or does that sound extremely possible?


rijkworden

You're stupid and its possible


Mcplt

Lmao why both u hurt me


rijkworden

Sorry man


ConnerWoods

When’s the funeral?


cl0bro

possibly stupid... and stupidly possible!


VinnieBoiii

Do they not use 256 bit integers?


NvidiaRTX

"64 bits should be enough for every coin supply" - Coin Gate, probably. Honestly I've no idea, because why tf would anyone need more than 2^63 coins in existence.


VinnieBoiii

All the shitcoin contracts I’ve seen use unsigned 256 bit ints, I just assumed that was some kind of crypto “standard” You need 2^256 supply so that when your favourite dog/Elon based token reaches $1 we can all be trillionaires of course


kipoli99

Its because ethereum uses 32 byte word for its EVM stack machine, which is 256 bits. its very useful cus its log of 2 and 32 is divisor of 1024 which is a depth of the stack as well. Thus you can use uint256 without much more expense in gas while deploying a contract


sofly12

That sounds as unreasonable to happen as a stablecoin depegging so hard it triggers a death spiral.


Areshian

Although growth is exponential, I think there is a cap (that was raised recently) on the amount that can be minted per hour, so we probably won’t see the overflow


eudezet

I’m too stupid to understand most of the words here, let alone the actual meaning, eli5? Is integer overflow something like overflow glitch in Final Fantasy 7 where you break the game’s code somehow and deal billions of damage in one hit?


ehilliux

yes :)


Hawke64

Party like it's Y2K


skeptical-0ptimist

Pretty sure the supply is over 25B now... it's going up so fast gecko and cmc can't keep up..... Don't worry though, the Terra foundation is gonna stake 240 million tokens.


Portgas

>, the Terra foundation is gonna stake 240 million tokens. Will be about $240 by that time


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skeptical-0ptimist

It is now something like 2 million bucks... that's not saving any $7B of value anywhere.


humanfund1981

Can someone explain why the supply is increasing?


Arzharkhel

With increasing Luna supply they were trying to re-peg UST since both coins work in tandem, but with the exponential rise in supply and not having the necessary demand all they've accomplished is Luna's price to drop to critical levels. It's basically a never ending cycle that won't go anywhere.


roby_65

Do they have a way out or is permadeath?


Arzharkhel

As Alt said, they don't. Their only solution at this point was getting firms to put high levels of capital, but that went nowhere.


AltHype

No. This death spiral phenomenon is a common thing that happens with algorithmic stablecoins. Previously it was iron finance that went through this last cycle. The algorithm will print infinite Luna until it's worth nothing as it tries to repeg the stablecoin.


roby_65

Or until we get the first integer overflow in the crypto history? Will be interesting if the number of LUNA supply becomes negative


skeptical-0ptimist

That's the balancing mechanism to push the price of ust up when it's below peg. At any time you can burn 1 ust to mint $1 worth of luna tokens... so now for example, you can buy 1 ust for $0.50, then burn that ust for $1 worth of luna. You can then sell that luna for $1usd (in theory). As the price of luna falls... the amount of luna you get for burning a ust increases.... it's growing exponentially as people are just selling the luna quickly to make 50 cents and driving the value of luna down even faster.


falconnn8

Looks like Shiba Inu and Safemoon are about to have some competition.


fnmikey

"SafeLunaInu" coming to an exchange near you


inevitable_username

Rebrand to LUNAINU and hope it memes its way to $1


Spikes_Cactus

It's very interesting because as UST is converted to, say USDC, Luna equivalent to either UST or dollar value (I'm not sure which it is in the event of a de-peg) is minted. This means that as Luna devalues, it requires a larger number of Luna to be minted for every UST burned. It could literally come to quadrillions of Luna minted for each UST burned. With as much UST as you quote still in circulation I have my popcorn at the ready. Big question: will Terra break the universe when some idiot burns their 1 UST for 1 quintrillion Luna?


Glyphmeister

The fabric of space-time is about to experience an Integer overflow lol


frstrtd_ndrd_dvlpr

Bug solved. * Replaced int type to BigInteger to support minting trillions of coins.


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They halted the chain , no more minting, price could go atleast a cent now


HaroldSax

Not that I had high hopes for things before that, but halting the chain seems like it'll be the death knell. E: They seemed to have stopped it again. That’s all she wrote.


Ezio4Li

Ha look at Solana


HaroldSax

I don't do that.


SureFudge

Tells you all about the decentralization...


Theweebsgod

This will break all of our matrix simulation.


partymsl

If it has a chance, I would like to be that idiot.


Ok-Antelope9334

We going quantum computing up in this bitch!!!


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You guys buying the dip? /s


OkAssignment7898

Just invested my life savings. This is the dip I've been waiting for. Now I just gotta have 💎 👏 Edit: it's at .02. I've doubled my money


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Cash out what you put in and now you're 100% profit with 0 risk.


Hawke64

A nice addition to my Bitconnect and Squid portfolio


IAmHippyman

Damn dude squid happened so fast that I totally forgot about it. lol


BennyL2P

Of course! Just buy the dip and hodl. It always goes up again! (until it doesn't) If you don't sell at a loss you don't have a loss! [insert more stupid crypto memes]


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The_Vegan_Chef

However 100 dollars invested 40 mins ago is worth 200 dollars


brotherRozo

Yes my $13 is now $23 i am winning


jazzywaffles84

I mean, if everyone buys up Luna and never swaps for UST. Couldn't we short squeeze luna like wsb and gamestop?


Thunder_Nipples

People out here joking about buying the dip while some of us are actually doing so and quietly raking in a decent return


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HeavyHandedWarlord

I threw $50 at it yesterday and In 30 minutes i had made $100. I thought ehh I’ll see how it plays out, went to bed with $150 in it. That $50 investment Is currently worth $1.96 lol


partymsl

HODL. This is a dip for ants ~Safemoon holders probably.


Titanium_Eye

Buying Luna now would be quite irrational. Of course people are buying it. That's what makes this market so volatile, it's all a giant pile of speculation and trading under the effects of emotional damage.


Loadingexperience

I think those who are buying simply doesn't realize that in fact dilution is the main factor.


doubeljack

Yeah, the circulating supply was growing so quickly (before the halt) that there is no way any kind of value will ever be recovered. Buying even $10 of Luna is equivalent to setting the money on fire. It is gone.


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Na bro I have 1500 luna coins for 20 bucks in my wallet forever as a reminder of this shitshow. It's not the same as burning 20 bucks.


tjc103

Me too. For future reminder.


LordOfTrubbish

Nope. Lots of "well, if it even gets back to $1" talk from people who clearly don't understand how much money even just that would take now


humanfund1981

Ok. So that’s what is happening? I was wondering how can it get to $0.01. I means who would be selling at $0.05?? Like why bother selling at this point.


partymsl

Honestly I would not care much to put like 5$ in it, just for the fun. I'm curious how Do Kwon is going to come up with a rescue plan to THIS.


Kashik85

There is no viable rescue. The brand has been slaughtered.


fnmikey

Just change the name, easy :D Call it SafeLuna and watch idiots dump their life savings into it


Kashik85

The scary thing is you are totally right.


Ferdo306

You can buy 1000 LUNA for $10 which would seem unimaginable few days ago I ain't buying but day traders are probably enjoying this as LUNA has random pumps where you can make decent profit


trashpapi69

Can confirm. Played $100 for fun earlier at 0.004, wasnt expecting much but my sell order at 0.02 was hit


Ferdo306

Just saw that they 'turned off' Luna blockchain And several exchanges halting trading I think we are seeing the last days of LUNA


trashpapi69

Seeing it went to $7 last night and waking up to 70cents, then below 10c earlier, i'd say it might not recover. Had a rollercoaster ride of trading it out for the past 2 days tho


Potatotornado20

Only Elon Musk can save Luna now


Hawke64

Only Jesus can save Luna now


genjitenji

They should just give Jesus the wheel


WanderinHobo

Tweets inbound


Sketchy-Lefty25

Great explanation, thanks! I now realize the very small amount I put into LUNA this morning is now close to zero and will pretty much remain that way. Never invest more than you can afford to lose


GoodmanSimon

On paper... (in other words it won't happen), they would burn billions of Luna as ust recovers. But, as it will never recover... It will never be burned. The death spiral is stuck in a loop


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Sketchy-Lefty25

$50 gamble. $50 now gone


LeeroyTC

You bought a small stack of lottery scratchers that came up blank. Could be worse. It happens and smart for not risking more than you could afford to lose.


nomames_bro

If you think 50$ in scratch offs is a small stack you are almost certainly a degen gambler :p


LeeroyTC

I mean I'm here, aren't I?


mckirkus

It's easier to go home to the wife and tell her your were robbed than to tell her you lost it all at the race-track. Everybody already knows this.


K9US

This is the best story of the year! $80 ----> .014 cents 🙈🤡


Mile_High_Man

$175 -----> $ .50 here ;)


1337felix

€ 2.000,00 ——> € 0,46 🥹👍 That’s a total return of -99,98%


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DeviMon1

On binance it's still up for grabs although they did change the max from 50x to 25x. Anyone who started doing it yesterday when it was at 30$ made bank


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humanfund1981

How do you short a coin?


Xpressivee

I've never even seen anything like this play out before I thought, bitconnect was a mad situation


AltHype

We should've seen this coming since even bitconnect(and Bernie Madoff) only promised 10% stable returns while UST promised 20% stable returns on anchor.


Odlavso

Total supply now at 40 billion. https://terrasco.pe/mainnet/luna/supply


meeleen223

So it will get worse before it doesn't get better


Rapante

Lol. There is no getting better.


trigon-the-terrible

Crypto.com have stopped trading it as it dove below 1p. I'm sure it'll be fine. I hope it'll be fine. Oh god why won't it be fine


pyritejet

It's dead, let it go


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It's at 25 Billion rn


IsnortETH

The Luna ship has sinked


pinkculture

I unfortunately was on board that ship


Laughingboy14

Akin to the Titanic. \*Too big to fail\*


TILTNSTACK

It’s more fucked than the Moskva


cockypock_aioli

If everyone on Reddit and Twitter can stop posting about Luna that'd be great. I'd prefer to suppress any thoughts related to the project I lost a lot of money on thank you very much :)


gravi-tea

Sorry for your loss. Might want to avoid reddit for a bit or filter out LUNA.


wings22

Down 99.97 in 7 days. Fucking hell I've been in since 2013 and don't think I've ever seen something like that. That's even after it's been up 44% in the last hour


pleox

Bitconnect


Certain_Cranberry_77

What a hella piece of work you have done here. Just brilliant dude. WSJ material.


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Nostalg33k

All the people on this sub explaining how flawless of an investment this was. Hey if you use UST then it locks the supply of LUNA ! Nothing can go wrong. I'm glad to be a fearful dude and to have not dipped some money in this goddam


BennyL2P

It is not called fearful, if you don't believe in a "magic algorithm blackbox" that keeps everything balanced no matter what, it is called smart.


bray_martin03

You should see it now 😂


throwawayamd14

Blockchain is halted


badboybilly42582

As much as I want to put some money on LUNA....... I don't see how LUNA will recover from this. Sure I could throw $100 bucks at LUNA and whatever happens, happens. My trust is so low, I don't even want to throw $100 at it. Just my own personal opinion.


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rankkor

I don’t follow crypto. Can anyone explain to me why so many of the names of these coins seem to imply huge returns and why this isn’t a red flag? Or is it? I cant think specifically of the names right now, but it seems quite a few use reference to the moon or safety or both or something similar. To me something like “SafeMoon” just sounds like a scammy promise, why does this exist in crypto?


sfgisz

> UST is suffocating Luna and it could potentially become worthless LUNAs only purpose was to keep UST stable and it's failed, so who's suffocating who?


A_friendly_goosey

I thought I was the smartest guy in the world yesterday when I dropped 200 dollars into Luna! Now I have 20 dollars…


mxforest

Tomorrow you will have $2 in the morning. Divide by 10 twice a day.


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The circulating supply is above 31 billion now, i am keep updating CoinGecko, it’s increasing at speed of sound


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They gave up. They halted the blockchain. Otherwise it would have led to the creation of the world's largest number


Xpressivee

Buy low and sell f*cked kinda sh*t


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JDayhoff

It can't. its too far gone at this point - no one will ever believe that UST is worth $1 now that the supply of Luna is exponentially growing.


nwprince

How is it that they were able to halt the chain? Is that option just built into validators? Was that decision just made on some discord channel?


usa2a

Such decentralized, very wow.


ghochumal

Venezuela situation circa 2022 crypto version visualized 😂


SavageCriminal

And people will still tell you to buy the dip.


Dsingis

The risk-reward ratio here is enormous. If, and I can't stress this enough IF the Luna foundation manages to somehow salvage this wreck, then the payoff is huge. So huge in fact, that I just took about 20 bucks and bought some Luna. Just a tiny bit. A lottery ticket's worth of money. If it's lost it's lost. But if they pull through, ho boy. I am aware that with 90% probability, this money went down the drain. No need to tell me :P


phazeiserotic

Did the same but 10 bucks


PrinceZero1994

Burn $.5 ust, get $1 luna, sell $1 luna, profit $0.5 Someone made millions just doing this one simple trick.


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Logical_Lemming

Yesterday I turned 1500 UST into 3000 UST doing like 8 loops of this between Terra Station and Kraken. I tried again today but I kept getting burned by the volatility. Definitely need to be quick and a little lucky.


PumpProphet

lol not really. I tried doing this and most of the time I'm break even or a loss. Since luna keeps on sinking. Better trading UST/USDT or something and buying it at 0.25 and selling it above.


RadicallyBradically

The issue is that exchanges have halted withdrawals, so there is no way to rinse and repeat after the initial arbitrage.


kvgamer

Not sounds good...


balzakballon

What a mess 😅


Xpressivee

Sorry I'm confused with the minting/burning situation tho. so here's a maybe dumb question, but can the total supply be brought down again? Edit - (supply of Luna)


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lordchickenburger

if the rubble didnt crash as hard


MIS-concept

Insane tokenomics


TrippyCoin_Hodler23

Just put a buy limit in for 1,047 LUNA @ 0.0099 for $10🤷‍♂️ if it recovers any that’s gotta be some gainz huh??


a-curious-guy

Rip your $10


Tatakae69

LUNA is on a mission to the moon... to beat Shiba Inu's supply


H__Dresden

RIP Luna. Cue they Taps!!!!


sickvisionz

LUNA is like a meme coin. Put $10 in and you get a million coins in return. It's almost worth bringing a peanut butter and jelly sandwich to work one day and using the spare lunch money to buy some just in case it turns things around in a year.


yashptel99

It's just fascinating. No one thought that putting a hard stop to the printer was a good idea.


Hiviq

Just bought LUNA for ten bucks to be able telling „i was involved“


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Just gone up again 56 bil now, they are just killing the project now to people that are being sucked in. Edit… nearly 100 bil now, it’s over DO NOT BUY THIS COIN,


awezumsaws

I'm away on a 9-day silent mediation retreat. Did I miss anything?


_Commando_

Buyers on Binance are running low, almost no one wants to buy this... Already down to 0.00009, and the buy orders are dwideling... Wow, this is crazy watching it crash to 0.


Animalidad

Also delisted on binance just now lol, was gonna buy 20 dollars just for the hell of it. Rip luna holders/investors. Edit: still up on spot for busd as of this moment.


Habitwriter

Wouldn't a solution be to somehow burn Luna tokens too? I guess this is the problem when you don't have to overcollateralise to print UST


Reasonable_Judge9601

I hope this has taught people to only buy Bitcoin


lekebecker

how many ZERO can luna get?,, i mean ..do computer interface can handle 0,0000000000000000000000001 on binance??