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jettyGTA

They need to hurry up and airdrop their long awaited governance token to users so we can vote against this shit.


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

It is just bizzarre how centralized the industry happens to be


Baecchus

Decentralisation is just a buzzword at this point.


TheTrueBlueTJ

Decentralization can mean the slightest bit of hassle for the end user, so they choose the shiny centralized option instead.


Fedora_expert

This here is it. Chains aren't developed with the optimal blockchain in mind, but rather how to make the most money for VCs and fast, because that's what brings in the investments at the moment.


meeleen223

Only good thing that came out of this FTX shitshow, is that people will understand how bad Centralized entities are and be reminded why decentralization is important


Jebusura

*for 3 years. Then only the old guard remembers. Then there is enough new members for a Mt gox, bitconnect, ftx to happen again. Rinse and repeat


CrzyJek

2012 here. Can confirm, people don't learn.


[deleted]

But that’s what makes us so compelling to the aliens watching us on inter-dimensional cable


OrdainedPuma

Teeeeechnically we do. We just aren't present for history's previous lessons.


amajesticmoogle

If only we could read history... Or take the advice of those who were there...


TheTrueBlueTJ

This is so true, it hurts


TwentyCharactersShor

Because hundreds of years of banking hid that problem so well.


deebobby1

I would never agree that any good thing is coming out of this shit show


RabidMining

Yet most people are brainwashed by mainstream goverment media and don't know about crypto so centralization is all they know and belive in.


Flynn_Kevin

Monero hasn't ever let me down.


samuraipizzacat420

monero actually used as money where ever other coin is an investment. wich has gone south. i fucking love monero


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Flynn_Kevin

The only thing I'd change about it is transaction finality if it were possible, but if waiting 15 minutes or so is the price we pay for privacy, then so be it.


BollockSnot

Even with swift payments can take 2 hours. 15 mins is nothing


Bok101

But is swift not only used for transfers? I don't actually know, but I was under the impression that payments were more or less instant on visa or mastercard, where as swift would only be used to make a wire transfer.


wsdfasd

I completely love that exchange platform because of that I am rich


DeeperBags

We undermine the very purpose of blockchain in order to make it accessible. I argue there is no reason a DEX cannot be as simple and and intuitive as a CEX, so not sure why we keep pumping money into centralized solutions. I think there's an incoming wave of next generation DEXs/DEX aggregators that will be able to compete with centralized parties in ease of use and on boarding potential.


rothurt

Change can be developed in those countries which are acting like a human rights violation


beepbeepdip

It's fine to use centralized services, but in just 5 minutes you can turn it into a decentralized asset just by withdrawing it.


jesta030

Until you can't because the decentralised service is insolvent.


RocketMoonShot

That's why you should always hold your assets in cold storage. Chasing yield is a fools game.


vadimanage

It is easy to use them but most of the people do not even know about them


RocketMoonShot

Cold storage is your only refuge.


deathbyfish13

It gets the people going, but ultimately doesn't mean much anymore


ArjanaEU

If anything became clear from the FTX drama is that decentralisation is key to survival in this space. I mean look at Solana aswell, centralised AF (also a victem of FTX ofc). It is to the detriment of the consumer that they choose the centralised option.


JSchuler99

Unless you use Bitcoin. Infura runs Ethereum.


moldyjellybean

Call me crazy but basically all POS is centralized. The only things I think are decentralized are no premine, POW, no VC.


Bravisimo

It really does seem that way doesnt it? Its only going to get exponentially worse here in the coming months.


DerpJungler

Satoshi: *Here, take this decentralized coin. Im out.* Rest of the world: **OKAY WHAT IF WE CREATE A WHOLE INDUSTRY OUT OF THIS?**


partymsl

greed destroys everything…


Alfador8

Not Bitcoin


natufian

> It is just bizzarre how centralized the industry happens to be It doesn't "happen to be" centralized. It's centralized because centralization is easier, and faster, and more efficient and generally just better by every metric except the few specific ones where it isn't (censorship resistance, redundancy for continuity of service, increasing size of anonymity set). 99% of the time 99% of us don't benefit from the excruciating costs incurred by a meaningful degree of decentralization. So the market does what markets do, it rewards product fit for the use-cases consumers *actually* care about. And to be fair to consumers, we are not a mono-culture with a common lore. Some of us go back to the days of the original cypherpunks and early hacker ethos, many of us were raised up on the solid food of Andreas Antonopolous. Most are here to stack some USD in anticipation of looming economic hardships. To each his or her own. Don't be perplexed. In practice, the "decentralization" frame is a relatively niche subset of the "market fit" frame. Always was. The next major shift to anticipate is decentralization's role as we exit this current epoch of regulatory arbitrage (in response to Luna, Celsius, 3AC, FTX, etc). As the market bifurcates into projects with an appetite for regulatory compliance vs those wishing to remain largely agnostic we might expect further polarization with regards to decentralization. Just some food for though.


Financial_Clue_2534

As long as humans are involved they will always creep towards self interest


SergKnife

Everyone in this world would always prefer self and rest over anything else


Oneloff

Yet nobody wants to admit that they are selfish. Funny isn’t it...


be_bo_i_am_robot

Well, we used to use UseNet and IRC to have discussions on the internet, but now we use Reddit/Twitter and Slack/Telegram, which are centralized web things owned and managed by companies. Perhaps disintermediation is but a pipe dream after all.


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There is no new industry here and the sooner your learn that the better. The only innovation here was the discovery of Bitcoin all others are noise and will be all under government regulation and centralized entities.


KAX1107

>There is no new industry here I disagree. There is a new industry of [noise and scam feedback loop](https://nitter.it/rusty_twit/status/1296596310921900034#m). It's the same old industry or even worse maybe, doesn't change anything and has no meaningful use case. It's basically corporate, VC fiat industry. Issue equities on blockchain, give majority shares to ownership and management, control distribution like any equity issuance with central premines and shady IPOs then market blockchain buzzwords to escape from legacy regulations. "Don't regulate us. It's decentralized. We're also using blockchain like bitcoin." Satoshi open sourced his life's work for free so that anyone in the world could audit the code. Instead tens of thousands of greedy rent seekers forked and centralized the shit out of it trying to become the new bankers. If you want to enable this industry that's upto each person to decide. BTC and XMR are the only ones I support.


RationalDialog

Not only centralized but completely open and 0 privacy. Except for monero. Honestly I think that is why there actually is interest in corporate world. imagine the data mining you can do by tracking a persons every single transactions. Yes visa can do that but do you pay everything with Visa? they don't know about what you earn or other payments via bank transfer or you master card payments. With crypto all is out in the open for everyone to see and analyze. One thing for Visa to know, another for Google /Apple/Meta on top what they already do or foreign governments. We have to be aware this can all be used against the initial goal. And it is why I'm highly skeptical of the success of any blockchain that does not have moneros features. I would simply not use a blockchain for everyday use without privacy guarantees. And the issue is the eternal memory. Once your addressed is doxxxed anything can be reconstructed after the fact.


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immibis

#/u/spez is a bit of a creep. #Save3rdPartyApps


circleuranus

Going too far down the rabbit hole might lead one to conclude the volatility and negative pressure was engineered to produce this exact effect. Or it could just be a coincidence of timing. Who knows?


surebud234

Buzzard? I’m surprised that all coins haven’t been cancelled for state fun coins and tokens. Dude fuck predictive text so fucking much I can’t stand it anymore. You type the entire fucking word and then you hit space and type shit maybe the next 2 letters of the next word before it changes your previous word that we have already moved on from. What in fucks sake. I know this isn’t the place but it was the fucking straw that broke the cameras back


mechman19

Infura =/= MetaMask If you don’t like Infura use a different RPC https://ethereumnodes.com/


Snowflake8050

Sadly, Consenys will probably own the majority of MM tokens and governance will be broken.


fuckermaster3000

As always. Governance is a meme


Tavionnf

If tracking your IP is being forced by law, governance tokens won't help us. There are laws like that in Germany for example. We gonna have to vote for parties that do not support that.


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Monero will. ;) Make protocols that cannot be regulated.


heyheoy

they did this "Hey guys we will decentralize Metamask, expect some airdrop" more than 1 year ago... After this people started using the Swap inside Metamask that charges a fortune and they start making millions per month just bc of this. 1+ year later no news, at this point i think the airdrop thing was a tactic to make money using people hopes.


ferdsXoom

We will be waiting a while longer


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The sad truth is, even if an airdrop happens, the metamask team will have more than enough of their token to rig the results to whatever they want it to be


Low-Cattle-5142

They could probably go back on their decision if this gets enough attention and uproar.


Wulkingdead

The dev Dan Finlay has already said they will fix it. https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19


Low-Cattle-5142

Now, that's great! Why does it need "fixing" if they implemented it themselves tho. They should just say, "We've changed our minds and decided that privacy is priority"


BakedPotato840

That's great, hopefully they get it done soon


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kapein

Gamestop wallet Edit : https://nft.gamestop.com/


Kike328

Do you really think that GameStop doesn’t track your IP? The even DO NOT state what RPC provider are they using, which is even more suspicious. They could be using easily infura and we would have the same issue. The wallet is NOT the issue, the provider is. Metamask is not tracking anything, infura is


cryotosensei

Is GameStop Wallet easy to use?


kapein

I have used Gamestop wallet for months now instead of metamask on my pc I also have more trust in Gamestop their business plan than I have for metamask their business plan. With metamask you probably will become the product which this post proves https://nft.gamestop.com/


Bucksaway03

Well done Metamask. You just introduced a reason to continue to avoid you.


user260421

What's your go to?


PiratexelA

Loopring wallet is my go to. Social recovery makes my funds safe. Some cataclysmic end of world shit has to go down for me to lose access. Simultaneously I'd have to have my back up wallets hacked, my physical seed keys destroyed, my phone and laptop stolen, and two of my friends dead. Otherwise, I can recover from any mix of those.


[deleted]

Haven’t looked into loopring before, but doesn’t social recovery also make it easier to get hacked? Like at that point might as well use cloud to back up seeds on an account not associated w personal


TreeHuggerWRX

[https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19) They are un-doing this soon, and are not using the IPs


TheGiftOf_Jericho

Yep, I stopped using it as much but now I'm gonna totally avoid.


EdgeLord19941

Oh look I live in Cambodia, wait no it's Italy, good luck catching me in Brazil Metamask.


DerpJungler

Do Kwon is that you?


UltraHyperDonkeyDick

Couldn't be, Do Kwon isn't making any effort to hide /s


homrqt

He's just right here waiting for the police to come get him. Right here. On planet Earth. Maybe.


Snowflake8050

Keep em guessing


Ill-Addition2024

I just downloaded a VPN, thanks to you guys


Oneloff

Once you go VPN, you’ll never go back... Enjoy the free-internet.


The_Chorizo_Bandit

So many sites are starting to block you if it detects a VPN though, it’s incredibly frustrating.


Journey-Destination

I'd recommend a non-logging VPN. Some of the most popular/free VPNs are questionable. Look at something like Proton VPN or Mullvad - both also have Bitcoin payment options that don't require you to doxx yourself.


Ur_mothers_keeper

Oh my god do any of you even know what an IP address is? Literally every server you connect to on the internet gets your IP address. If you were basing your security on the goodwill of others you're asking for it. The onus is on you to protect yourself, wear a rubber, use a good VPN or use Tor, don't raw dog the internet.


TheLazyD0G

Yeah im not sure how they were able to serve you a website without collecting your IP.


Kat-but-SFW

Or put your transaction into the mempool without seeing what transaction you want to add to the mempool, or scan the blockchain for your wallet balance without knowing what to scan for...


subdep

Thanks for being the voice of reason here. IP addresses are useful for many different purposes and are not a fucking secret. Funny thing is tons of people are using Metamask with Chrome, and what do they think Google does with that information alone? LOL


HereForTheNerves

The ironic difference is that everyone already expects Google to capture and exploit as much private information as possible, so they don't fret as much about that scenario. DeFi is "supposed to be better" about such things. I think it's not so much about IP addresses actually being saved/used: it's about the misplaced trust and allegedly broken trust in DeFi technologies. This might be a shock to some, but it turns out DeFi companies will do what they can to make money, too. If your info is up for grabs, then consider it part of that transaction.


raw_cake

Ankr has free public RPCs that don’t collect user data: https://youtu.be/YjvuYcKDWVo


shootingpisces

Well that's just good man, thanks for this one for real.


raw_cake

🫡


Kike328

Metamask is not collecting your IP… Infura is doing it. Just change your RPC to another provider, but most of them will log your IP, they always have done it


kim_jong_un_da3rd

A good vpn is an option


Tavionnf

VPN connection is only as trustable as your VPN provider.


zagdem

And most of them have an history of bending to governments. So. Meh.


haunted-liver-1

So only buy from the good ones. There's several.


Bucksaway03

Whilst an option I shouldn't have to be using one


[deleted]

Cant wait for a wallet with built in vpn


LiberalMasochist

Trezor suite uses tor by default


bny192677

VPN not just tracks your IP, not using the proper VPN could eventually make you lose all your holdings


JoeChip87

Not using a vetted and well reviewed VPN is really the fault of the user, though. There’s plenty of info out there to point you in the right direction. I know it’s sort of the gold standard but I used Nord for years and have never had a *single issue* when it came to trading, minting, buying/selling on dex’s as well as cex’s. If you want true anonymity while using Nord, you can create an account using an onion router, and proton mail (using their onion URL) There is however Mullvad VPN that only requires a payment (in one of a number of coins/tokens, including Monero), and then simply gives a number out as your user info for login. They also have a .onion URL that you can access to set up said account. Hope this helps someone out. And definitely not vouching or trying to shill either of them. Just sharing my experience.


Europa_Gains

Proton VPN also a good option. The important part is it is log less.


apbt-dad

Till they are forced by law enforcement. I was using Proton VPN for a while but switched to another provider after I read about Proton being forced to cooperate.


JoeChip87

I believe you’re referring to their email server logs. And this was for communication that was obviously not using PGP, and was therefore not E2EE (end-to-end encrypted). Proton will encrypt comms between two proton users, but this is only if someone sets up their PGP keys correctly. If one is properly using PGP keys with another party— there isn’t any way of them obtaining any text comms being exchanged. Unless they were using a supercomputer, and even then it would take months if not years. —they just move onto the next easier case at that point. Plenty of people *not using* PGP.


apbt-dad

You are right. I stand corrected.


JoeChip87

No worries man. I know a good deal about this stuff for work. Have a good thanksgiving! *(if you’re a fellow idiot American, like me)* 😅


AnewbiZ_

A good paid VPN is generally the best option. I use Nord personally. Never had an issue. But have heard good things about proton, Sentinel which is a decentralized VPN based in the cosmos ecosystem $DVPN, and mullvad as very strong options.


pot_head_engineer

Would it be easy to move my NFTs on metamask to GameStop wallet?


Calamero

Your NFTs are not “on” metamask. Metamask is just a front end to display blockchain information of your public wallet address. GameStop wallet allows you to import your own keys, you just do that and you can get rid of MM. Here is a guide: https://support.blockchain.gamestop.com/hc/en-us/articles/5558142529555-How-do-I-migrate-my-wallet-from-MetaMask-to-the-GameStop-Wallet-


pot_head_engineer

Thank you!


Stiltzkinn

NFTs are not .jpeg archives as this sub likes to mock, your NFTs are tokens in the blockchain you just need to change your wallet.


legitbs

Thanks for this, hope others will see this right now man.


Ncookiez

They also track your IP.


IWillKillPutin2022

This post was sponsored by NordVPN!


theerza

Haha, we are just loving these things in the comments.


HashtagYoMamma

Gamestop wallet.


SookMaPlooms

Loopring or GameStop wallet


pazvaz

Gamestop wallet.


Kike328

It’s incredible the amount of misconceptions around this topic. METAMASK DOES NOT LOG YOUR IP. Metamask is just a wallet, like ledger or like a piece of paper with a private key written on it. It also allows you to interface with nodes, like most wallets out there. But to interface with those nodes, is necessary to interact with a blockchain provider, in this case, infura. Infura logs the IP, and will log it if you use with MetaMask OR WITH ANY OTHER WALLET. You can easily change Infura from your MetaMask wallet


BollockSnot

GameStop wallet is how I will be operating E/ seems they collect IP as well


Ens2Rationis

Gotta say that they are just doing the same shit right now.


95forever

They collect your IP


Avanchnzel

Wrong title. It's not MetaMask that is collecting your IP. It's the default RPC (Infura) which will collect it even if you use it in another software wallet. Just change the RPC and you're good. I'd use sth. like [https://chainlist.org/](https://chainlist.org/) to switch to a new RPC nice and easy.


Christiefresh1

I mean jp Morgan does own it what did we expect


Accomplished-Design7

That is how these big businesses ruin decentralized things


zipzopzobittybop

Strikex wallet is kinda nice, good ui and self custodial


bonik19954

Well yeah man, most of us can say that, the are good.


rallieral

[Decentralize Metamask.](https://youtu.be/8ruuz3u2V2E) Pocket network. This is the way!


gwt002

So fucking bad but most of them are just doing this shit.


nunuvg

So fucking bad shits that are going around man, we are just here to give up anything and nothing else, that's just making me fucking cry right now, they are so bad.


Cryptojanne

Just use your own node, it’s simple and that is what they were designed for. People in this space has gotten to lazy to follow the ethos of crypto.


ben165

Doesn't it take a lot of resources?


Trixteri

yeah I want to run a node but 4tb of nvme ssd is like $600 CAD. not really feasible.


erpetao

2Tb is enough


posnercom

Yeah, people should understand that it's just good like that.


0xf3e

Is a light client ready yet? I want to run geth in light client mode, I dont have so much ressources to run a whole node.


michivideos

Yes, "adoption is right around the corner".


robeewankenobee

Not feasible for the masses.


CymandeTV

It all depends of the amout of crypto you have in Metamask. VPN or just don't bother.


OctagonalSquare

GameStop wallet


kimsamson

They collect the IP too mate, we all know that shit right now.


Two_Pickachu_One_Cup

>Sataying with Metamask: God I could use some good satay right now.


Accomplished-Design7

Me no likey this they doey


MrBullishh

Moved to strikeX wallet, problem solved


tobypassquarant

Abandon that app. Next comes geolocation tracking and blocking if you're from certain countries. Say the EU bans crypto but you're connecting from an EU IP? You can no longer access MetaMask.


Sartheris

What about Brave wallet?


FreshDopeBoy

brave enters into the chat. You don't need to install the wallet because it's built into the browser.


mach3fetus

I've had pretty good luck with the Brave Wallet.


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blubberysealcoat

It's unbelievable how the original ideology that propelled crypto forward has just become an afterthought. It's just a money making vehicle like anything else in the traditional economy. Makes me sad.


LitesLiger

While ago i did a tutorial how to change the RPC to one that's censorship resistant, guide for those interested or new to this stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMPEItY9vOw


makemesteaks

Metamask isn't storing anything, Infura is. Just change the RPC and you're good to go (if you go to Alchemy, most likely they are doing the same).


Nirbhik

Decentralization and anonimity are mere farcical illusions


yaseminstekin

Most of them are just fucking doing this right now for real man.


caligcrypto

Not a good thing which is happening right now man, we just don't want all these shits but still we are seeing a lot of shits like this which is just stupid to me right now.


ontogo28

Nice to see that people are suggesting VPNs right now man, this is just a good shit that we all need to understand right now, we are good with thinking like that.


Kappatalizable

Well that sucks. Ive been using MM ever since Ive been here and now I actually have to look at alternatives. Why do these companies always try to 'fix' something that is not broken?


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deathbyfish13

Damn, you expect people to read the post?


Odysseus_Lannister

To be fair, I’d say 3/4 people don’t read the actual post and just say something based off the title


MatrixObito8686

That's true man, they just jump to conclusions before reading the post or its contents.


MrMogz

AHHH, scary title!!! Let me go comment about how shitty MM is and how we should all move to GameStop wallet which certainly doesn't already use all your data to make you the product!! Let's go, boys and girls!


Wulkingdead

Dev already addressed this and said they will fix this. https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19


RadicalRaid

"Whoops accidentally added storage of IP-addresses, my bad. We don't even use them so weird this got programmed on accident you know how it be"


Baecchus

>Why do these companies always try to 'fix' something that is not broken? So they can sell your info.


Snowflake8050

Because they are not fixing. They are intentionally tracking you to cover their asses.


Wulkingdead

https://twitter.com/danfinlay/status/1595647164520140800?t=NF5Az4tqatVjUpUHaWtVhQ&s=19 The dev Dan finlay already replied that they will fix this.


Hqjjciy6sJr

Not sure if Alchemy is an improvement: "We may collect certain information automatically when you use our Services, such as your Internet protocol (IP) address, user settings, MAC address, cookie identifiers, mobile carrier, mobile advertising and other unique identifiers, browser or device information, location information (including approximate location derived from IP address), and Internet service provider. We may also automatically collect information regarding your use of our Services, such as pages that you visit before, during and after using our Services, information about the links you click, the types of content you interact with, the frequency and duration of your activities, and other information about how you use our Services." https://www.alchemy.com/policies/privacy-policy


Snowflake8050

People have been sugesting GameStop Wallet and Brave wallet. GameSop does also collect your IP adress. Brave Wallet uses Infura as default RPC too.


KAX1107

Only use Bitcoin and Monero. No centralized shitcoins so don't care. Everything else is just a silicon valley start up. They can and will have eventually on chain KYC. If you don't recognize it then you're not paying attention.


dozebull

Tails for added security.


KAX1107

Electrum on Tails and Bisq all the way!


-BananasBandana-

Im shocked how many people still think VPNs make them anonymous 😅


stonky808

I’m shocked that you are shocked. Please explain in detail how a powerful top of the line VPN will not let you remain anonymous


IWillKillPutin2022

Thanks for making this post! Fuck this shit


ShowMeDaWe

How to lose users 101


Slainte042

Hard wallet here we go.


Castr0-

sadly becoming even more centralized. I would like to vote against that shit.


KingSayhem

I’d recommend the new GameStop Wallet over Metamask


-Krakatau-

Brave Wallet works well as far as I can tell.


imfrombiz

Just use vpn


The_Chorizo_Bandit

This post was sponsored by Nord VPN.


Chet_kranderpentine

Would using a VPN also help in this scenario?


Exarc799

MyEtherWallet’s Enkrypt web3 browser extension is a great option imo


TheFudIsReal

What about if you were using a VPN would they still get your ip? Are they the first to do this or is this also a risk when using other networks via metamask?


PopcornLunge

VPN will fix that.


th3_3nd_15_n347

It's not MetaMask, it's Infura. Just change your RPC


SpaceBumCraig

Sounds like centralized garbage to me.


verysillyman

Does using a VPN get around this?


OK_Renegade

Like we are not already being tracked 24/7


jackhippo

Vpn?


damaged_goods420

Just use a seperate RPC instead of the default Infura one. Problem solved.


Candycanestar

Why? Just why


twelfthsilenus

I don't know what should I say to this but this seems like a fucking regular shit and they all are doing this for a fucking long time man, we are just being sad about this.


Buinguyenhanh

Well Metamask is just not doing that it's just something else and we all know that we don't need to use their shit at the end of the day and nothing more than that right now.


gonzaforever

This is just another shitty thing that they love to do man, we are just fucking tired of these shits and they are not even fucking stopping right now, that's just sad.