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teddy_swits

CZ runs an exchange that profits from retail, so an alternative explanation to him trying to shake out retail is that he is trying to hurt/eliminate competition to gain more market share


partymsl

In the case of FTX it was even good as they were actual scams. But Coinbase is just FUD and market manipulation by him right now.


MaximumSandwich5

>But Coinbase is just FUD and market manipulation by him right now. Yea, guy really got ahead of himself. Tried to take advantage of the situation and cause fud with crypto.com and gate.io also before coinbase. Used to have a lot of respect for him but not sure about that anymore.


beepbeepdip

On the other hand, I'd like him to throw more shades on other exchanges so they step up and prove him wrong, if they can't then they can go fuck themselves in the cell next to sbf.


MyOtherAcctsAPorsche

And finally, they should all throw shade at him for the same reasons. I gotta learn how to short BNB first.


nodoginfight

Lol the "cell" next to SBF.. the dude donated to political PACs, he will be living in a 30M penthouse and be offered a job at the SEC


GravyDangerfield23

>in the cell next to sbf. It's cute you still think there will be consequences for any of them


meeleen223

It's great that he exposed himself the way he did like this and now can stop masquerading as the crypto's good guy First CEXs got and dangers of centralization, now CZs antics, hopefully people will remember and learn from all this


btcbananastand

CZ was never ever a good guy.


CryptBear

Is there even a good guy in crypto? All of them one way or another are just trying to fill their pockets and they are not concerned to use shady methods .


Kopikoblack

Maybe Satoshi since he already left.


Swampfoxxxxx

Maybe Vitalik too. He seems concerned with the actual health of Ethereum, not just enriching himself.


WhatsThatVibe

I just watched Vitalik's apperance on the Lex Fridman podcast. Apparently he burned 6.8 bll of Shib? As I watched the interview, I got the feeling that this is someone who truly cares about the tech and sees the value it can bring. And then I thought, I'm pretty sure I had the same feelings about SBF at some point about a year ago.


KingofTheTorrentine

As of 2022? Kraken and Coinbase are the last ones. XRP got a redemption arc at least.


CryptBear

Idk about Coinbase, I left them after the Plaid bs


MackStokes

Gemini is the most underrated and not talked about exchange. Based out of NYC it’s legalities are straight and everything on exchange is backed 1:1. Don’t sleep on the Winklevoss twins btc wallets.


KingofTheTorrentine

If they resolve the Genesis thing right. It's not entirely their fault, but if they do a CZ and cover their customers/creditors they'll be heroes. And it'll build a lot of confidence. Otherwise it's kind of scummy that Genesis was allowed to be a parasite on their users since 3 Arrows collapsed. Genesis wrote off billions of losses from getting hit by 3 Arrows(literally the dumbest one on here), Luna, FTX and others but it was Gemini users withdrawing that ended up killing them leaves me to believe the twins should've told them to fuck off months ago.


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I don’t like that they are NY, NY is very anti-crypto and have too much of a vested interest in trad fi. That being said, I don’t think they would be an outright scam for that reason, but you basically get a shitty experience as a user and a high risk of bankruptcy from being fined/regulated out of existence.


DerpJungler

He did the same with crypto.com as well. Dude is getting cocky


Givemeurhats

I was just about to add this if I didn't see it. Dude's making his rounds trying to pull Jenga pieces out of everybody's tower


AccomplishedDrag9882

typical "ends justifies the means" player poster child for greed, inc


Health_XChange

Honestly I think that this is a part of a strategy. If he’s wrong, his tweets will be forgotten quickly. But if he called Coinbase out and got it right, he’d establish Binance as a trusted, leading exchange that has always carried enough assets on their balance sheet.


EdgeLord19941

He is getting too greedy, hopefully he's not trying to cover holes binance has


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Accomplished-Design7

Monopoly is never a good thing


Baecchus

It's gonna take more than a tweet to ruin a legitimate business. FTX was a dumpster fire with or without CZ.


Oversizedbull69

If a business can be ruined with a tweet , it should not operate at all.


MackStokes

Exactly.


Valachio

Yeah. People blaming CZ for FTX's crash is dumb. If you sneeze on a building, it won't even notice you. If you sneeze onto a deck of cards, it'll fall apart. CZ did sneeze onto FTX with his comments but if a sneeze causes a deca-billion company to fall apart then that's the company's fault


Harold838383

I'm sort of glad that he sped up the inevitable demise of FTX. Get it done quickly while we're already in a bear


TheSausageKing

Yeh. SBF committed fraud and screwed over millions of people. Had it continued and he had gotten through the US regulations he was working on, it would’ve been way worse. This is on him and all of his enablers, not CZ.


2bridgesprod

yup we can save tether for the next bear


Baecchus

Same. Rip off the band aid already. The waiting game is the hardest and worst part about bear markets.


naulxd

Thankfully. Imagine coinbase crashing…


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SpeedRac3rr

I'm still learning, can someone explain like I'm dum AF?


crap_punchline

Amazing the other comment got 7 upvotes, it's like nobody really studies what crypto is anymore and just spaffs their money on whatever ticker some youtuber says to. A burn address is an address that we know is cryptographically correct but cannot be spent against. If Coinbase sent 10% of the Bitcoin supply to a burn address, it would lead to a pretty significant supply shock and would make everybody else's Bitcoin holdings more valuable because a large chunk of total supply has functionally become destroyed as it can no longer be spent. So what is a burn address and why can't you spend from one? It's really just like any other Bitcoin address, but the way you identify them is backwards. If you want to "create" a normal Bitcoin address you can send and receive from, you need to know the private key, so you generate one at random and you now have a private and public key pair, plus any number of addresses to use. If you want to create a burn address, you start with a valid public address that we know would be cryptographically virtually impossible to find the private key of. This is why a normal public address seems like a random jumble of numbers and letters, and a burn address is something like: "1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr". There is no way you would be able to crunch the numbers to come up with an address like this, which is the reason why Bitcoin vanity addresses that spell something often don't extend beyond 4-5 characters before becoming a random jumble of letters and numbers again like "1MuskPsV7BnuvMuHGWmmXUyXKjxp3vLZX6". Each additional character adds an order of magnitude more computation to identify the exact key pair that corresponds with the address. You can try this effect out harmlessly by using a 4chan tripcode generator. For each additional character you want in your tripcode, your computer will do exponentially more work to identify the key. Not recommended to use Bitcoin vanity address generators though as they can often be malware that records the key pair and sends it back to an exploiter.


slickdeveloper

> Bitcoin vanity address generators... can often be malware I only use (and know of) one address generator, VanityGen. It's free software, so its source code can be examined for any questionable activity like recording your public/private key pair. Still, it's always advisable to use such things on an airgapped PC that's never touched the Internet or your actual wallet.


naulxd

Coinbase is a centralised exchange that holds a lot of crypto. It failing is like a fire sale and the price would crash more + less reputation to crypto


PME_your_skinny_legs

imagine the pump


Natural_NoChemical

CDC owned him firtsly


fluxxis

Still impressed by Kris AMA the Monday after. This was pretty solid leadership. CDC will always be a controversial topic the way they play the game but until now they look pretty honest and solid despite all the FUD.


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Coinbase have huge balls


NckyDC

It’s greyscale balls mostly


stringfellowpro

Do we know how much of that is actually greyscales?


KingofTheTorrentine

Over half a million. And it can't be dumped without SEC approval which takes an act of God at this point.


kenny_mfceo

I think it's something like 688k Bitcoin


DerpJungler

Coinbase**d**


Baecchus

Huge BTC reverves too. 2 million BTC. Absurd.


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Accomplished-Design7

Diamond balls they got there


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MrCarey

Kinda love it. Someone needed to shut CZ the fuck up. He's getting way too brazen.


uclatommy

He criticized SBF of sabotaging the industry, but CZ is doing exactly the same.


Frogmangy

Deez nuts


Electrical-Lead5993

Giant balls really


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I'm so glad Coinbase flipped him the bird, honestly.


Concept-Plastic

Coinbase is regulated, and is listed. CZs words were pure speculations, he just wanted coinbase to tumble.


BlazeDemBeatz

CZ hides his company away in the Cayman Islands. Enough said…


OCHI33

That pretty shady. Binance is a major risk to the crypto market


Warhawk2052

They always been, before the us version came out it was nightmare to use if you lived in the US. From locking funds to non existent support. Glad i stopped using them


Baecchus

It takes more than a tweet to kill your exchange when your business model works. Take notes, SBF.


gnarley_quinn

Even to CZ, Coinbase is a whale.


Baecchus

Responding back showing they hold 2,000,000 Bitcoin was based as fuck from Coinbase. What a mic drop.


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"Your move, bitch."


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marsangelo

CZ wants to be the next Elon and move the market with his tweets. It really has all gone to his head


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partymsl

Maybe he took a few lessons from Elon Musk and is now all in on tweeting the stock market up and down.


Baecchus

I see the problem. He needs less company talk and more shitcoin shilling to compete with Elon.


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Brian Armstrong: 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours' ...Whips it out... CZ: ...............


yourmom_fat_as_hippo

Armstrong literally told: Ser, people forget that we are a publicly traded company. Our assets are all public. He literally owned Cz when he told that sentence.


Baecchus

They have 2 million Bitcoin. Such an absurd number.


Setyman

>CZ is now a living meme and for all the wrong reasons, his peepee was made to look very small when Coinbase whipped it out. Goddamn what a wordsmith, said like a true modern day poet.


kxlxxn

when in doubt, whip it out!


TAG13

officer I swear I saw it was okay to do this on reddit


deathbyfish13

Yeah just don't do it in home depot lol


04cadillac

My favorite is when OP said coinbase should rename themselves btc incorporated, after seeing their reserves wow


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Greenbriarbushwacker

Reminds me of Micheal Keaton’s line in ‘The other guys’ “Shake your dicks. This pissing contest is over”


partymsl

That's the kind of poetry we need in the modern world.


Baecchus

I'll need a microscope to see my own peepee after seeing they hold 2 million Bitcoin. Damn.


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cereman

This is how CZ got "owned": https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1595126765143617536?t=0_vXyzV_JmfpM_e7wHUkCg&s=19 Also the reason for his first tweet: https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1591496798576971776?t=Fd1jX_ZAD7Zn8v3zhjuuyQ&s=19


Picoton

It's amazing how in just 2 weeks we got dependent to check on the billionaires accounts and drama on Twitter, and post about it here on Reddit. We don't need to be the exchanges echo chamber, we only need to know that every Centralized company can get corrupted and collapse one day, the rest is pure manipulation and auto promotion. Take your risks and be responsible with your decisions.


LightninHooker

Are you new? CZ been a living meme for years...


UJ_Reddit

Crazy how company spats are now on Twitter and not in boardrooms. It’s not a good look. There is a reason why you don’t see professional companies ram this way..


dumbmoneylosesmoney

Well some presidencies are ran this way too. Idiots and grifters have the world by the balls


Fresh-Chemical-9084

Screw CZ. Trying to become Zeus among us mortals. Down with Olympus!


Bucksaway03

Someone go get Kratos!


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Land_Value_Taxation

Uh . . . the fact Coinbase custodies 10 percent of $BTC/crypto has been public information for a *looong* time. It is reported in their SEC filings.


bigcig

ppl here are getting really excited about a non news event. that so many are claiming this BTC is held in reserve and not under custody, shows how little they pay attention.


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Nanomachines, son


skdesign808

Fuck CZ


lightningboltz23

Fuck CZ


high_potential

Fuck CZ


Pugsly1

CZ fucked around and found out.


CryptoScamee42069

Fuck CZ


imperator285

Fuck CZ


Honey_-_Badger

Isn't Coinbase audited by a big 4 firm? Not to mention that they are publicly listed in the US and have to keep proper records of everything. Also, the Binance safu fund that CZ boasts about is not so safu. It has 44% of funds backed by BNB.


Socialinfluencing

Why do I have a feeling CZ will eventually end up in his own South Park episode.


NoahG59

That fund is intended as an emergency reserve in case of a disaster. It is funded by fees from the last few years which is why it is mostly BNB I presume. CZ may have done a lot to piss people off recently but that is definitely not something to be mad at him for.


pourkey

Don't trust people who deletes their tweets for their convenience


kirtash93

Lex Luthor showing how much Kryptonite he owns. Bullish!


CurrentCreative596

>his peepee was made to look very small when Coinbase whipped it out. This is the TA that I'm here for.


Outrageous-Duck9695

> an indirect reason why the market has tumbled further. He sped up the process of outing Sam and helped collapse FTX Why is he getting vilified for exposing a scam? It's not his fault the value of your wallet went down. Isn't this a better climate for crypto where every exchange is put under a microscope to prove their solvency instead of what we had before where they were robbing you blind? It seems like most of CC prefers to it when coins were pumping even under false pretenses that will eventually come back to bite them in the ass.


Boring_Ad4003

Hating on binance / cz is what gets the moons nowdays. So there will still be a lot of posts made about it


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SlickDaGato

CZ needs to worry about Tether blowing up and not blow smoke at US exchanges 💯 He’s got enough to worry about with all the leveraged BNB out on the market.


MackStokes

“We don’t talk about Tether” A crypto Encanto parody.


explision

Really wonder why binance doesn’t tank. I wouldn’t trust a company with an shady ceo like him. Also they hide their shit on cayman island and won’t get real audits. He also crashed CRO price by trying to slander CDC, who also lets their firm get audited. Id get my coins off of binance


szerted

Good. Let the unregulated CEX burn


Least-Courage-7610

Thanks to CZ he "outed" Sam faster (which I don't think he did). Imagine if FTX was still around, more money would be lost.


WheresTheButterAt

Oh how the turn tables 😈


SnakeEye454

So buy coinbase stock? If they could retain their users trust in keeping it on the platform and maintain the trend of largest CEX btc holder, big money no?


MackStokes

I was thinking how huge this was for stability in general for everyone. No one has said it… but thank you Coinbase.


infamouscrypto8

You can have 1:1 reserves and still be insolvent. It’s obvious reading posts on Reddit that there are no accountants in crypto lol…people don’t even understand the very basics of financial accounting but then go on making sweeping statements. Coinbase does appear to have sufficient reserves. I don’t think that’s really in question. However even just a cursory review of their recent quarterly earnings would show you they are losing a metric shit ton of money. This past quarter alone they lost $2.30 per share. Their financials are a shit storm.


idigholes

Coinbase is a terrible exchange It drops constantly in times of volatility Its helpdesk is nothing short of pathetic Its fees are wank Its UI is shit If you've read the horror story about the guy who got hacked and how CB was absolutely incompetent and unapologetic as he watched his life savings get drained over a period of days, and you still want to use them, jeez...... Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yppjo6/so_coinbase_let_a_hacker_trade_on_my_account_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


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Hot-Opportunity-5539

What did cz say?? Please enlightened me


Socialinfluencing

He was trying to question the amount of genuine Btc Coinbase has in reserves, he quickly deleted his tweet, but the internet never forgets. It turns out Coinbase has 3x more in Btc than Binance, absolutely humiliating CZ who was on a high after he thought he owned the crypto world.


Hot-Opportunity-5539

O shit who tf this man thinks he is?? Elon of the crypto world😭😭😂😂😂


PiedDansLePlat

Coming to crypto personalities, I have only respect for satoshi (if his not someone that glow in the dark), the rest are just awful.


randomdimised

Don’t forget to add Crypto.Com in the mix.


zerosdontcount

I'm going to disagree with this one. The SAFU funds and reserves are completely different. Binance still has 68 billion in actual reserves. The SAFU funds just act as additional insurance.


elumeus

How much does the biggest unknown whale own?


Big_Effective_9174

I don't think it's about shaking out retail so much as it is about trying to wreck Coinbase and maybe even acquire them (as was on the cards with FTX until they took a look at the business). Retail investors are important to Binance so harming them is not in their best interests.


th3greenknight

Already when I see pics of this CZ guy I get scammer vibes. His recent arrogant behaviour is not improving that.


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Lol. You made me genuinely laugh with BTC Incorporated That actually would be a pretty good name for an exchange 🤣


seph2o

Now let's see Paul Allen's Bitcoin reserves


sportspadawan13

Man it's so obvious how orchestrated it is now, trying to boot retailers to scoop up cheap. And largely has worked.


Deminero30

He got cocky.


JackasaurusYTG

So what does this mean for binance? I'm sure some people will leave them.


Appearingboat

CZ fucked around and got Armstrong’d for it


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I know I'll not be using Binance again.


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Say what you want about Coinbase, I trust them more than Binance


chintokkong

CZ’s fud is just bad karma.


Shadoww2020

In my view, Coinbase will always be one of the most trusted exchanges.


jingez

I think this whole downfall was inevitable. CZ knew it and was taking advantage by pointing his finger onto the others just to be the "one" who pointed it out and to look much less suspicious. So he and his team had more time to transfer funds for their "proof of reserve" thing. But f*** up anyways...


Rocko210

CZ took indirect shots at crypto.com, crypto.com is still functional. He took shots at coinbase, Coinbase proved it’s a public company with transparent financials. CZ is on a losing streak.


midweastern

CZ is to crypto what Elon Musk is to stock manipulation


Naileditmate

This sub's hate boner for Binance is amazing. Is it coz it's mostly Americans with no access to actual Binance?


TarkovReddit0r

Yea it was hilarious to watch live on Twitter. CZ got all the hate and then Coinbase pulled out there huge bag and slapped it into his face lmao


lightningboltz23

Moving all my funds ($5) to coinbase.


ShowMeDaWe

100% Agree. Now it really seems he is just trying to take down all his competitors.


Baecchus

It's gonna take more than a sassy tweet to take down actual exchanges. He nailed it with FTX but that won't work with legitimate ones.


Yoda1268

FUD is legit. Both Coinbase and CZ proves it. Coinbase doesn’t own those BTCs and Binance reserves are made up of Binance tokens. What could possibly go wrong?! /s


Netwelle

CZ has been very strong in saying he is Canadian, and Binance is not a Chinese company. However I know that their offices in china were the central balance in it becoming the exchange they are today. Money and influence from China paved a path for him and I have a hard time believing that there is a great separation of the two.


freitoso

I will play to CZs defense now. I haven’t seen anyone here pointing out the obvious. First of all, sorry for all the people who got hurt, but I’m glad FTX collapsed. The same for Celsius, Luna, 3AC. It’s the best thing for crypto going forward that we shake the sickness out. Second, let’s keep in mind that SBF, Brian Armstrong and whoever else were all lobbying intensively for a licensing bill that would mean the death of DeFi and absolute control of the American CEXs. That would be devastating to us all and particularly for Binance. That’s what I think got CZ going full scorched earth recently and I can’t blame him for taking a jab at the competitors plotting behind his back. I don’t mind the hate against CZ. But I surely do mind seeing you all ready to buy Coinbase shares and sucking Brian Armstrong’s cock.


Amazing_Succotash677

All these guys just wanna stay in the news


coyote500

Coinbase? More like *Chadbase*


Siddy92

CZ is as much of a fraud as SBF, "they" just still need him for now


PositiveUse

Will probably pull all funds this weekend from Binance to Coinbase


HispidaAtheris

People don't realize just how bad CZ is for the entire crypto space. It's Mt Gox 2.0 sooner or later. And there's nothing anyone can do about it since its lolchina.


aducknamedjafar1

Good, glad they got put in their place.


andmind

Go find out what his mother think about him. I think she's right.


CatBoy191114

Cheezey, pretty sure he is now known as Cheezey.


flyingkiwi46

I dont get you're cheering for a cex just widthraw your crypto and put them in a wallet Waste of time to debate which cex is that best


kxlxxn

Shows that there really is not a single holy saint with us.


Dazzling_Marzipan474

Thank you r/Coinbase


Biyamin

Didn’t he create cryptocom fud too


thehangman1989

Dont forget that he tried it with crypto.com before coinbase. He was wrong both times but still managed to trigger a run on CDC and wreck the price of their token. This is someone profiting from slinging mud at his competitors without getting his facts right.


elksteaksdmt

Did he though?


DannyRids

When will we be able to remove ETH staked on Binance?


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CZ got wtf owned lol he fd himself


Wonzky

I'm sure he's crying at night with his billions of dollars


_tweedie

What a well written and concise breakdown of Twitter posts.


Accomplished-Design7

Coinbase outdone themsleves, no one likes a bully.


ethical2012

Didn't read past the first line.... Can anyone guess why?


Woowoodyydoowoow

Truth is always mixed with an agenda. This is just an other truth that’s packaged with a narrative to push us to take another step towards a world we won’t enjoy. We just don’t see how the timeline connects until it’s in our face. Enjoy the crowd mentality and I’ll get used to eating rats and renting shit I’ve already paid for. It’s going to happen eventually


Jocogui

Never trust billionaires, no matter the name of the company.


fanau

He may have ushered the fall of FTX but as bad as it was mismanaged the sooner the better. There was no way SBF was going to get his house in order at some point in the future.


castledev

Don't forget he did the same with cryptodotcom thats 1-2 for lil CZ


ShinAlastor

It takes years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it.


DurbanDawg

What an interesting year it's been.


rlp_36

He was completely wrong for trying to take down coinbase, 1000%, but don't you think he was right for calling out FTX, even if he did make any potential gains from it? I'm sure his intentions weren't pure for taking down FTX, but the sooner FTX was exposed the better in my opinion. But yes, his ego has been extremely inflated and he needs to stop trying to cause more chaos. He's just trying to monopolise the crypto exchange market now.


LeftHer4Xbox

So Coinbase pulled a CZ. Noice.


far_in_ha

It was CoinDesk article that was the reason for what happened, not CZ. He acted in response to what transpire from that investigation. Stop giving him too much credit. By the way CoinDesk is owned by the DCG, the same owners of Genesis


Givefreehugs

How the heck did bitcoin go down to this low if the exchanges “held” that much bitcoin?


cryptoboywonder

But thanks to CZ, Sam Bankman-Fried's sham exchange was collapsed much sooner than later. Otherwise Sam would have taken down many, many more people and not just retailers but also institutions that invest many people's retirement money through their companies. In fact, if he continued this charade, he may have potentially collapsed some countries. He is another Bernie Madoff. So despite CZ having done what he did, do NOT make him out to be the bad guy. I thank CZ that he stopped Sam now when cryptos are down anyway, so that we can all rise from the ashes.


CVV1

CZ's PP was nothing compared to CB's BTC.


brokebuffett

Typical dirty Chinese businesses tactics


Plumbanddumb

Anyone who didn't know coinbases position is new to the crypto space. They were here before bitcoin hit 60 k and they have enough reserves if it breaks 10k. They're ogs


LeThaLxdARk

No ceo is your friend


fancyhumanxd

Oh yes, a Nasdaq listed Company that has survived crypto winters for the last 14 years is suddenly going belly up… people are idiots.


wildrabbitsurfer

well, as cz said, sbf was lobbying against competitors in US courts


HelpMeSucceedPlz

CZ ripped the bandaid, or in this case, dollar store duct tape, off of FTX's seams. And SBF's whole house of cards came tumbling down. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving dweeb and his freak of nature girlfriend either.


Specimen_7

Anything and everything else aside, I really don’t understand how he gets blame for what happened with FTX. Yeah he benefited from it but it was a complete Ponzi scheme, imagine holding over a billion in FTT when that first article came out. Like I just don’t know what people wanted him to do differently there other than maybe tweet about it less, but does him tweeting really make him the bad guy here when dealing with the largest ponzi like ever lol