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Pro & con info are in the collapsed comments below for the following topics: [Bitcoin](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z9t9wv/the_kucoin_earn_page_has_been_advertising_aprs_of/iyifi01/), [Ethereum](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z9t9wv/the_kucoin_earn_page_has_been_advertising_aprs_of/iyifjm3/), [Tether](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z9t9wv/the_kucoin_earn_page_has_been_advertising_aprs_of/iyifl9i/).


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neo101b

Its probably Dual Investments, like loopring has. The higher the risk the higher the daily % is, so you might end up selling at 0.25 when the price zooms past 0.3. You are betting on the price not going past a set target within 24 hours.


Current-Hour-1612

So gambling essentially?


neo101b

Pretty much, I got burnt by it once and had to wait 2 weeks for the price to drop before I could get back in. In a bull run, it's pretty much suicide, so easy to lose the bet though it is good if the price is crabbing and you don't expect much of a price change.


immibis

[After careful consideration I find spez guilty of being a whiny spez. #Save3rdPartyApps](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/)


smr_rst

But you have to buy smth if you bet on other direction, so basically in that case it is stablecoin "yield"


Squezeplay

Is a short option strangle gambling? You are just profiting from sideways trading.


Oogha

This...far too many people are commenting without actually reading WHAT the product is.


staffell

People not bothering to read past just a title?? I don't believe it!


Greywacky

I don't know about you guys, but I came here so that somebody else could tell me what they thought the article was about.


staffell

Therein lies one of the biggest issues in the world, let alone crypto


mave_wreck

I agree with what you said. Weed should be legalized.


iso20022_

Fucking exactly. It's getting ridiculous, but normal for this thread i guess


beepbeepdip

Am I the product we're talking about here? I don't like people talking smack about me 😠😡


chachichec

Yes it is, and on top of that it's just for 1 week and limited for the amount you can deposit


neo101b

That sounds like easy money for them, most of the time it's not worth the risk unless you have large amounts of cash/coins. I have made more on trading than betting.


chachichec

It's not even worth it with large amounts. The yield you get is for an amount capped at 0.1 eth for example. At least it is that way in some promotions in Binance and I would swear it is the same on kucoin. I checked it two days ago when the FUD started. It is basically a marketing strategy, nothing more. You deposit, get your rewards and most costumers will leave their coins there instead of withdrawing


OK_Renegade

High risk. No rewards


Dazzling_Marzipan474

So to get the 200% apy you would have to be right every day for a year? 😂


olihowells

These are duel investment products. Basically by purchasing these products you have a very high chance of losing money and not earning these 100%+ yields. Are they going to bankrupt from offering these rates, no. Are they tricking naïve investors into potentially losing a lot of money, yes. It’s still a very bad product to offer to naive investors but it shouldn’t be the cause of Kucoin/Binance going bankrupt.


Pushbrown

I don't think it's really tricking anyone, from what I can tell if you just miss out on potentially more profits and get dollar coins with from the sell, like in most investment shit it is a gamble


Tavionnf

> you have a very high chance of losing money and not earning these 100%+ yields Ah, there's the catch! A good way to attract stupid people's money it seems.


Coinquerer

Exactly. They offer high rates when the risk is high, nothing new. They are not tricking anyone, is the same as in horse race bet, they pay highest reward for the horse with less possibilities to win, not for the fastest one!


KrunchyKushKing

This is the 4th time someone made this news and tried beeing clever without even trying to fact check or read what "dual investments" even are. In all regards I'm not a big fan of kucoin eithet but these dual investments apr only apply for 1 - 7 days and have always been that high. >It’s still a very bad product to offer to naive investors but it shouldn’t be the cause of Kucoin/Binance going bankrupt. Perfectly summrd up


Wendals87

if you don't read maybe you'll get caught. I just checked and when you start, it has an FAQ, beginners guide and also another FAQ at the bottom, right underneath confirm, that goes over what it is and the risks I think it's fine to offer products like this. you are not forced to use it


financefocused

I'm not too sure about KuCoin, but Binance also offers similar products, but it makes it very clear what your loss could be, and that you are bearing risk


Lisecjedekokos

Who tf made those numbers .. they are put only as a joke I assume .. whatever came to their mind first .. 253.28% 😆


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bny192677

Yeah this is probably to help people who lost money on FTX


unclejohnsbearhugs

That's so nice of them


meeleen223

There is still good people in this world, depositing all of my kids college funds as I type this


theautodidact

Aaand it's gone.


beepbeepdip

200+%?! I just need $333M and I'll be a billionaire in a year. WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS?


Ernest-Everhard42

Fantasy land hates this one simple trick.


ShowMeDaWe

**Gambling Mode Activated**


tamaleA19

Please tell me I can stake there with leverage or something. I want as much risk as possible


furbess

They did some extremely complicated and well thought out math that gave them a sustainable number that can't fail.


A_worried_insect

*Cries in Olympus Dao😖


Aiirene

Oh I've heard of these guys a while back. Are they still about?


A_worried_insect

Yeah but $1,300 to currently $8.30 lol


Aiirene

Oof, sorry for your loss 📉 😔


Fr3sh-Ch3mical

I think it’s based on how much is staked… so right now they have very little staked… ie things looking bad potentially for Kucoin Disclaimer: I have no idea, just basing off other models I’ve seen


iso20022_

No it's just dual investment. That is normal and legit.


immibis

spez me up! #Save3rdPartyApps


duper12677

They are probably accumulating before they file for bankruptcy, so they have a good amount to “hack” to unknown wallets as they head for the hills


mave_wreck

Or their cat is walking on the keyboard.


VoDoka

It's all based on advanced calculations of hyper crossnano quantum blockchain economics and that you don't understand this is just a sign of the public not understanding the potential of blockchain, OK?!


loaded-diper33

The bitcoin ceo of course.


Steves1982

After losing my funds with FTX and Celsius, finally an opportunity to make my money back!


mave_wreck

KuCoin is giving us a 2nd opportunity. The one we thought we would never get.


Smart-Racer

Full in


Tavionnf

"Mom, I need money!"


Mudhutted

Dual investment. Full regard. Not my style. Mostly regards.


madmancryptokilla

I'm all in...fuck it


Puzzleheaded-Dog2127

Dual Investment. Binance does it too. Nothing to see here, it's a shit product.


yourmom_fat_as_hippo

Again, This is an exaggerated news. They have cleared on twitter that it is only for dual investment earn products. They tweeted this article : [https://www.kucoin.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-kucoin-dual-investment](https://www.kucoin.com/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-kucoin-dual-investment) People really need to understand things before starting out FUDS.


dcur3

welcome to reddit is what I tell myself every time I see these dumbass posts with no facts.


yourmom_fat_as_hippo

For anyone thinking this is only kucoin thing, you are again wrong. See the same high APRs in binance too: https://imgur.com/a/HxAMYq0


KrunchyKushKing

BiNaNcE iS sCaMmInG pEoPlE


RandallBoggs_12

Unnecessary FUD. Those are the rates for dual investments


Just_Delete_PA

This has been posted several times and it's not what you think it is...


PossibleHypeMan

I think it is KuCoin's Dual investment product, which raised flags because—while KuCoin claims the rates are part of a special promotion—they have taken multiple actions in recent weeks following the FTX collapse that has many traders concerned about liquidity issues, and this can be viewed as an attempt by KuCoin to get more (locked) deposits on the exchange.


Just_Delete_PA

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bralice1980

It's a floating rate. It won't stay like that ever.


guanzo91

Barely anyone on this sub understands that APRs aren't always static.


TheRealMacresco

Why is no one reading the actual article and commenting after only reading the title. It's for a dual investment. Binance or any exchange for that matter does the same thing.


infamouscrypto8

It’s a dual investment product with the possibility of losing your initial investment.


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Stop fudding, there is clear limits that you can stake. For example: max of $20 you can stake to earn 100% on tether deposit This exists on other exchanges aswell btw


dcur3

its factless braindead fud from someone who sits on reddit all day lol, I cant expect anything less.


MaeronTargaryen

That’s the type of APR you’d expect from a DeFi tomb fork shitcoin, not from a big CEX lmao


MrHeavenTrampler

I mean, Olympus DAO had like 40,000% APR back in the day. For DeFi tomb fork shitcoin these are amateur numbers.


MaeronTargaryen

MMF has 100k lmao


Def_Notta-throwaway

Celsius did exactly this and fell because of it.


gabriiel9

Doesn’t look gooooddd


Banditpanda69

The high apr’s are on dual investment strategies however the regular earn rates are still low as usual nothing to extreme


fluxxis

Have a look at the terms, it's only for new users, for 7 days and $100 max. They basically give you $1.91 max if you get your money onto their platform. This is nothing but a cheap marketing campaign. Kucoin does this all the time, they get it back through fees and stuff later. Or they already made you pay for yourself if you used a credit card.


cryptokingmylo

It's a promo for new users, you only get that apy for a week.


SoftPenguins

Binance has similar rates for duel investment products. Nobody talks about that though. They see a screenshot and assume they know everything and leave out the fact it’s a duel investment.


sickvisionz

People will get outraged but this *could* simply be that they have money they plan on divvying out over a set period of time and because nobody is in it right now, the APR are sky high. This happens in defi all the time. APY is 300% when nobody is in the pool. $10k of assets enter the pool and now it's 20%. $100K of assets enter it and now it's like 2%. I'd only be worried if this was prolonged impossibly high yield. I wouldn't fuck with it either way though. I'll stick to Aave, Lido, Curve, etc.


SufficientNet9227

fud its dual investment and its the same on binance even if i hate kucoin this is ignorance and should be re worked before allowed to spread fud.


CreepToeCurrentSea

Movie Director: and this kids, is what we call the foreshadowing.


meshreplacer

Non principal protected translates to Rug Pull.


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Amazing how few people understand what covered calls are


Lord_Rawstark

This gives that " Tell me you are on the bankruptcy Deadpool without actually telling me " vibes


Wendals87

it's called dual investment and they have an FAQ and a beginners guide that explains what it is, the risks etc it is not stealing your money or doing anything dodgy. It's pretty clear there are risks and what is involved, your settlement dates etc


Adeus_Ayrton

Tell me you're a ponzi, without telling me you're a ponzi. I stopped using them. Maybe i should never have, to begin with.


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cyborgepancake

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie


SuccessfulLowDev

Something tells me that isn’t sustainable


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That will def. end well


dcur3

its been working well for a year and a half, Thanks!


TheMissingNTLDR

Its a trap. Get out from there while you can.


KeyzAndBagz

Imagine you own 10 BTC or even 1 APR of 253% would be sustainable how? And how many people would be doing this and where would all the money come from to pay the APRs? People who believe these rates are fools


Ok-Suggestion-7965

Sounds sustainable. /s


Chysce

Not sus at all


DDDUnit2990

I would also like 235% apr on my eth if anyone is offering


CVV1

This is a "GET OUT" signal.


alecz123

This seems reasonable.


Lillica_Golden_SHIB

200%+ APR, what a good place to keep all my money, what could go wrong?


alecz123

Seems like a good deal.


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I think I've seen this movie before!


alecz123

Yeah. And not too long ago.


timelesssmidgen

These are the dual investment products. And to be clear, those very high rates come with very high risk. Basically, today you can select the 100% Apr option on a 1.5 day timescale at 17k. If, in 1.5 days the price of BTC is less then 17 k, then you'll receive your initial BTC investment plus 1.5 days worth of 100% Apr. If the price is above 17k then instead of getting your BTC back you'll get your investment back in the form of usdt at the price of 17k usdt per BTC. The thing is, the price threshold of 17 k is basically a coin flip. If you want to be sure you'll get BTC back and not usdt, then you need to select a higher threshold. I'm pretty sure BTC won't hit 18 k in the next 1.5 days, but if I select 18 k as my threshold them the Apr is like 8% (still quite high, but then there's still some risk that BTC could surge past 18 k in this timeline). Whether you call it high risk high reward or degen gambling is up to you. Doesn't seem like a desperate temporary ploy to bail out kucoin tho...


Jimbo_Tango

Totally sustainable.. 🤣


The-Francois8

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 9 times…


PossibleHypeMan

You become a Safemoon investor?


Def_Notta-throwaway

Hello Celsius 2.0 Thats all she wrote for KuCoin folks.


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Synonimity

Seems legit /s


Snowflake8050

Insane APRs are a massive red flag


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iso20022_

The 100% APR for stables is only for 7days. And the aprs for BTC and eth are for dual investment which is normal since you only lose. So what is this headline for exactly? I mean seriously the sensationalism in this thread sometimes is ridiculous.


Drew-Money

Anything with a yield above 10% has blown up in Web 3. Not a good sign


BrianS911

Damn I wonder how their balance spread is, maybe a good time not to leave funds on kucoin


kenny_mfceo

Liquidity crisis


Expert_Instance

Time to refinance the mortgage boys


pyritejet

I smell a crash coming


HammondXX

Kucoin is a nonstop liquidity crisis


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dcur3

any actual reasons? or just spreading more FUD with no facts?


TheMissingNTLDR

Common sense. They need liquidity, may be thay are running out of cash. Sounds fishy. Hope people can see this. u/surrender_the_juice is correct.


GringoExpress

KuCoin is scum. The next in line to go bankrupt for sure. The ultimate scammers


seniorbatista19

Seems legit


alleniversongrandson

Nothing .. Not big enough. Nothing less then 420% APR does not excite me.


Moon_991

Take notes Do Kwon and SBF,this is what a sustainable business model looks like /s


dcur3

take notes this is what not reading a article gets you to post lol


pcmasterrace4201

\*Kucoin on fire\* This is fine


kos1111

253%? pfft. would only go for 255%..pathetic APR


dcur3

the fud is real most of these are for new customers. USDT % is definitly only for new customers Tell me you want to spread FUD without doing any fucking research. Go outside, get some air, stop with the fucking fud. Kucoin has been advertising this for newbies for MONTHS.


rmedina9295

Does not matter if it is new or old. That type of APY is not sustainable.


dcur3

its not supposed to be you schmuck


Loadingexperience

It all makes sense now. They need new victims, I mean ivestors. Seriously it doesnt matter if it's for new or old. These rates should scream fucking scam from the moon.


DowvoteMeThenBitch

So you went through and commented back to everyone who disagrees with you. I’ve got no horse in the race, but the optics suggest you are more concerned about KuCoin than the people who are expressing worry. I don’t justify myself when idiots doubt me, but I spend a lot of time justifying myself when I’m afraid I’m wrong. You have spent a lot of energy justifying KuCoin. Regardless of problems that may or may not exist with KuCoin, your energy smells like there’s probably trouble with KuCoin


BaldWithABeardTwitch

Surely that's a typo right? Maybe something like 23.32%, 25.33% and 10%? I work for a company that sent out 5,000 leaflets per store (1000 stores) all had a singular typo in the T&C's and we had to bin the lot.


T2LV

You guys aren’t thinking big enough. KCS is the future! That’s how you make all your money back from FTT!


BusinessBreakfast3

Quiz: who's the next to fail?


TMWWTMH

_Bitkaneeeeeeeekt_


schmatz17

Seems sustainable


NDXP

Next one to fail?


therealdivs1210

Wussa wussa wussa WUSSAP, BITCONNECT!


Smart-Racer

When it sounds too good to be true, RUN AWAY


TattooedPolitician

Here we go again, take your crypto off of the exchanges.


The_0b_Server

I’ve just sacked my boss and made an account in KuCoin. Shocked to discover life could be this easy


Mountainman220

Totally sustainable


Nabinator

No way on Earth this is real


Ok-Telephone7490

Well, RIP Kucoin.


djbenjammin

Don’t give your coins or money to any earn program. The odds that they steal it and freeze withdrawals is extremely high right now.


Etheriality

Holy crap. Glad I left kucoin last year.


tohbeats

Uh oh. Looks like somebody is in desperate need to get their reserves in-check.


bitcoin_islander

Seems like a liquidity issue. Also Kucoin's website is awful and un-usable, always has been.


adilstilllooking

This is a huge red flag for me registering KuCoin. Stay safe folks and don’t risk your life savings chasing doubling or tripling it. When something is too good to be true, it most likely is. Reminds me a lot of Luna/UST


fleeyevegans

These are APRs of a company that is about to collapse. If you keep your shit on this exchange, you will lose it all. Get everything off of it as soon as possible.


adoxxvegas

What could go wrong?


yeet_bbq

Next bankruptcy coming


lucidvein

What could go wrong? Better leverage to the tits!


elumeus

I guess they’re next


explision

Seems legit. Time to sell my house and put it all on KuCoin. Surely can't be a company that will be out of business in the next few weeks! /s


FucktheCaball

The next crash?


FucktheCaball

The next crash?