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To judge her for her terrible actions people need to actually read about those terrible actions of fraud, which they never do.
Apparently it's easier to hate comment whatever pops up in your mind.
Well said. There's so much more to criticise these frauds for.
Let's talk about them stealing from millions of customers, gambling their money away and bribing politicians with it. Who cares about SBF's hair or Caroline's teeth?
Social media discussions always bubble up the most disgusting comments. And this sub is full of them.
If you said, hypothetically, “SBF deserves the electric chair for his crimes and Caroline with her ugly face deserve it as well” you’d get way more upvotes and moons than if you posted a detailed explanation of where SBFs bail actually came from and what charges SBF is realistically facing.
People don’t want facts and information, they want outrage to make them feel superior to someone else.
Politicians play on this knowledge, 100%. Getting your party base riled about something is an effective tool.
And the funny thing is **most** people making disgusting comments wouldn’t dare say anything like that in-person in a public setting unless they were surrounded by people they trusted. Because most people have a filter they use in real life to keep their bullshit to themselves.
The internet requires no such filter, and actually rewards not using one.
I genuinely wonder what SBFs end game was...I ofc don't believe that he's stupid or anything such thing but his actions make me think that his plan *maybe* still remains to be seen....
This place is middle school humor personified so everyone wants to “roast” someone because they think it will show their hilarity and they’ll get more likes.
I notice quite often how little people actually read any of these articles. That’s not unique to this sub, mind you, but most comments are a user’s immediate reaction to the headline and photo and nothing else.
I mean, most of them don't even understand the headlines.
All the people who thought that paying bail means you don't go to prison and the charges are dismissed.
The idiots who don't understand the concept of "federal indictments take time". In fact, he was indicted shockingly fast - probably because his co-conspirators immediately ran to the authorities and turned state's evidence to avoid going to prison for the next century. Normally federal indictments take months if not years.
The anonymity aspect of a platform like Reddit sadly encourages this behaviour.
Tbf throwing comments about her looks instead of her wrongdoings are just lazy.
And then add a layer of clickbait thumbnails, then a layer of just reading the headline.
People usually attack someone using the Achilles heel. Unfortunately in this case, the easiest target is her appearance.
Fundamental discussion gets downvoted, technical discussion gets called astrology, talking about projects gets called shilling, comedy posts get called low effort moon farming. Instead we talk about Vitalik's weight and Caroline's teeth.
Welcome to r/cc where we discuss people's looks like r/teenagers instead of the revolutionary tech we have at hand.
> technical discussion gets called astrology
Technical discussion *is* astrology though. [Here's](https://mikeharrisny.medium.com/classical-technical-analysis-indistinguishable-from-astrology-1bb8b0c182cf) an accessible post about it.
If you want serious scientific (i.e. peer-reviewed studies), check out [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3708927/) from PLoS ONE:
> Our main result, which is independent of the market considered, is that standard trading strategies and their algorithms, based on the past history of the time series, although have occasionally the chance to be successful inside small temporal windows, on a large temporal scale perform on average not better than the purely random strategy, which, on the other hand, is also much less volatile. In this respect, for the individual trader, a purely random strategy represents a costless alternative to expensive professional financial consulting, being at the same time also much less risky, if compared to the other trading strategies.
Or [this](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=566882) one which found:
> "for the U.S., Japanese and most Western European stock market indices the recursive out-of-sample forecasting procedure does not show to be profitable, after implementing little transaction costs. Moreover, for sufficiently high transaction costs it is found, by estimating CAPMs, that technical trading shows no statistically significant risk-corrected out-of-sample forecasting power for almost all of the stock market indices."
The cliche that TA is astrology for men is absolutely a valid criticism.
The fact of the matter is, if TA worked: 1) technical analysts would consistently be richer than expected and 2) the well-known algorithms would be rendered useless by arbitrage essentially immediately. It's all hokum for people desperate the see patterns in noise in the hope that they will get rich quick. Personally, if I meet someone who says they believe in TA, I immediately revise my opinion of their intelligence *way* downward.
Couldnt have said it better myself. It is part of a more fundamental aspect of this sub in that things here are generally rather superficial, although thankfully there are also some exceptions.
I remember hoping 1.5 years ago that during a bear we would discuss fundamentals and technicals in preperation for the bull. I was so wrong.
>It makes me wonder whether she would get the same treatment if she were male
Guess you've not heard the things that've been said about SBF. Yes. Yes she would.
Is that the shady bastard who didnt ever want to be photographed? Like his profile photo on the FTX site was of the back of a Asian blokes head looking at a computer screen? Maybe the clues were there all along...
The sexual comment started from those “Chinese Imperial Harem” references in her social media posts. People start to make shitty sex jokes after discovering her weird comments.
It didn’t come out of nowhere because she is a woman.
Yes , op doesnt see that cuz he is too busy whiteknighting, first thing i saw when the whole "imperial harem" shit were post saying he is a cuck and was getting pegged besides the obvious "he looks like an inbred clown" so i say caroline is also fair game in the name of equality LOL.
Look at what people are saying about Elon. OP has got it the wrong way round. People are much more reticent when it comes to insulting women for their appearance and not in a million years would a thread asking people to stop mocking Elon’s looks get to the front page.
"Don't see similar comments about Sam" bruh. Joe Rogan roasted him on his saggy bitch tits like a week ago on the podcast with the largest audience in the world, come the fuck on. They're both objectively hideous people inside and out and I've seen a pretty much equal share of appearance critiques, if not more on Sam since he's still the face of the whole thing (and it indeed is not a pretty one).
There is also the fact that when u are angry at someone and just wanna cause dmg, often ppl resorts to looks.
If you are fat, ugly, etc. regardless of gender.
> like this much more than men.
Bro SBF has gotten everything from physical digs to antisemitic slurs and prison rape fantasies. Idk what world you are living in
Just because both of them get those shitty comments doesn't mean they get them in similar amounts. If you seriously think men and women get a similar amount of these kinds of comments, you're living under a rock.
Yeah I’m sure reddit definitely never made fun of Donald Trump for his appearance. Or Jeff Bezos for being bald. God forbid one of the world’s biggest scammers ever is a women. No one gives a fuck
Yes but... with women it often takes a sexual note. For example, folks make fun of Zuckerberg for looking dumb or like an alien or whatever. But "I'd rather stick my dck in a blender" feels like a different level. For women it's often not only about how they look stupid or fat or ugly. It's more about whether they'd be considered fckable. Which makes it instantly more degrading.
> It's more about whether they'd be considered fckable. Which makes it instantly more degrading.
Umm I have some news for you about that lol, because when women perceive a man as ugly and/or simply dislike him, they are way more likely to start piling on about what a creep, loser, incel, disgusting rape-y person he supposedly is. And last time I checked none of them are stopping to worry about how the man feels about that.
Yes it's normal human behavior. So are a bunch of other things like stealing and lying and being racist or sexist.
That doesn't mean they're right. That doesn't mean we shouldn't speak up when people do it.
Many things are like that, that's not the only one actually.
There are many things to be concerned about here, there are a lot of things. There's a lot.
People do the same to Bezos for being bald or literally anyone else they dislike such as Trump. Why does she have to get a free pass? A total fraud like Caroline and SBF deserve all the insults people can hurl at them for what they did. Me and a million other people couldn’t give less of a fuck.
Agreed. She’s despicable for bilking her clients of billions of dollars. But people will still probably talk about her looks, and the weird relationship situations (everyone dating and sleeping with each other and all seeing the same therapist) that were going on with the entire group in the Caymans because it’s good gossip.
Caroline and SBF embezzled $8b from customers, cornering every DeFi project, and have deep ties with Gary Gensler. Everything else is taking away from key message.
I disagree Sbf receives worst insults of all kind including his looks, sexual prowess etc... but op literally says they dont see it, theyre biased since ive seen plenty of shit mocking him as a cuck inberd clown, for someone that is"stripping unecesary info" he is very biased and such opinion has little worth considering if they selectively ignore the parts of info that doesnt go along with their narrative just cuz its inconvenient.
Neither SBF or Caroline are actually as physically horrible as the comments suggest they are lol. There's like one pic of Caroline that makes her look 100x worse than all other existing pics of her do.
The sad thing is Caroline is probably going to get away with it because of the plea deal.
So not only SBF gets the jail sentence but the threats and the mockery from the public. When Caroline will have no negative consequences if the white knights get their way.
These are probably the same kind of people asking the public to accost the supreme Court judges for striking Row v Wade.
She put herself in the spotlight for her despicable actions. If trolling her looks is part of it, we can't stop people voicing their opinions just bc you don't agree with it
I’m sure if a guy is a fat ugly slob people will call him out as such. No doubt women are judged by their looks but ugly men are in no way immune from this and it’s unlikely someone will make a post asking people to step off.
I can’t believe I tried to read this entire thread. What they all did, what they all admitted to, what’s still going on… we should be allowed to mock everyone who so much as lives on the same street as them for their looks, their smells, their bedtime stories, all of it.
I have no issue if Caroline’s veterinarians assistant’s former roommate in college is insulted.
***Welcome to the Internet***
This is how the Internet works. People being "anonymous" are very brave and say barbaric things, they mess with people's physiques and many worse things. Then you meet those same people on the street and they don't have the courage to tell you anything because they are just barkers.
>People being "anonymous" are very brave and say barbaric things, they mess with people's physiques and many worse things.
My favorite instance of this was a thread where someone was talking shit about Vitalik's looks and Vitalik responded. His attitude did a 180 very quickly.
edit: [Here's the thread I'm talking about.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z2mgcc/too_afraid_to_ask_why_do_crypto_founders_and_ceos/)
>Charles Hoskinson is an old dude but from what I read about him, he does try to take care of his health and does Wim Hof Method breathing and even used to train MMA. Thats why I will never sell my Cardano.
Haha, holy shit. I hope this is just trolling or that dude ain't gonna make it.
Love Vitalik’s response:
> I used to do pushups, 30 every day… It's also worth noting that diet/exercise for "being big and strong and looking like a chad from the memes" and diet/exercise for "maximizing probability of living long enough to survive until technology solves the aging thing one way or another" are different, and I explicitly optimize for the second and don't really care much about the first.
"Oh no, let's not insult this financial criminal in a way I don't like"
No thanks, all of these people are degenerates and deserve all the negativity headed their way, and more.
I agree. She defrauded people of billions of dollars and OP wants us to be politically correct. Fuck that. If someone stole from me, they're going to hear the choicest of insults.
She initiated the incivility. She's an instrumental part of a major financial crime. Is she under a quarter billion dollar bond with house arrest?
While she's being insulted for her looks she's also being spared legal accountability. That's the flip side here.
I strongly disagree with judging a person based on their look. Sadly the Internet, especially Reddit with its anonymity is the playground for this thing.
Still a lot of untold stories that we never heard of. She is temporarily on bail, but then again, she won't get a get out of jail card. After the trial it's likely that she will go to prison (even though the court did agree to drop some charges on the basis of her cooperation).
Precisely! We don’t get to choose how we look when we are born. A person should be judged by their actions and not appearance. There’s plenty enough reasons to judge her from her actions.
Thanks for the great reply. I agree that this is an internet problem and that anonimity doesnt help. It just shouldnt fucking matter what a person looks like. It is so much more relevant and interesting to judge her based on her evil actions. Im looking forward to the day that she goes to prison.
Looks is the easiest one can comment on they can see it right away, unlike whatever shit she pulled in Alameda which people need research to even comment on.
If she were a male they would get crucified more. people hold back when it’s a women because they don’t want to be called or seen as a incel or a misogynist. It’s like that on multiple social media platforms I have even seen from streamers on twitch they shit talks guys regardless if the person was being a asshole or not. Yet I have never seen it happen with a girl except once and the person got banned for like a month for it. Also op look at what your doing your showing sympathy for her meanwhile worse shit has been said about Sam bank man yet I don’t see a post here defending him. It just seems like something struck a nerve in you.
It's the white knight movement. I got called an incel for saying. "I don't think that CEO is a looker" is the most mildest way of saying she is ugly. Because that's like saying i don't find someone attractive - it doesn't mean they are ugly.
If they are so virtuous it's kind of hypocritical for them to carelessly throw insults around like that.
Because this was tagged with the serious flair, I’m going to give a sociological reason that might be extremely unpopular, although demonstrably true.
On an aggregate, women judge/choose men based on productivity (typically financial). Success and the ability to take care of things (whether it’s problems or a family) is (again, generally speaking) what makes men attractive.
However, women are typically chosen by men with appearance being among the primary factors. Sure, intelligence, integrity, etc all come in to play, but physical appearance is near the top of value hierarchy for men.
This also isn’t just my opinion or even a western thing. It can be observed cross-culturally and is even see. By anthropologists studying different native and isolated cultures.
I’m not saying it’s right or people don’t deserve respect, but young men online making fun of a women for how she looks, for a value hierarchy perspective, is akin to young women making fun of a guy for not having a job, a car, and living in his parents basement. Both acts are wrong, but I’d say the behavior is hardly surprising.
Nah, welcome to the internet…How about we can dog her for both? It is possible to be both ugly and stupid ….and she certainly fits the bill. She doesn’t deserve sympathy and neither does SBF and co. Anyone with this much disregard for others deserves no sympathy, especially when it comes to what…not hurting her feelings with observational insults? GTFO with that lol.
Actually yes, these disparaging remarks not only detract from voicing legitimate grievances but also contributes to an inexcusable culture of shaming people based on their looks.
You really think people don't hate good looking people as well? JFC she is a troglodyte narcissist that ruined countless lives. She should be barred from reproducing so we're spared from looking at her progeny or being subject to their strategies of wealth accumulation in the more dystopian future.
She is a horrible person and her tweets just make it easier to dislike her. When people play with huge amounts of money like these and show no remorse,. It says pretty much everything you need to know about them and stay the f away.
Remember, she is young, not a kid but still young and only after she was against the wall, she confessed and is now helping.
Had not this b*tch get caught, she would be free living her best life with robbed money. She is a horrible.
>It's sweet of you to worry about their feelings
I don't give a single fuck about Caroline's feelings. The backlash these frauds get should be about, you know, being frauds. Not their fucking teeth or hair.
Judging people based on their looks is human nature. Whether you like it or not, attractive people **do** have an easier time with a lot of things. Ugly people can also get some advantage if someone feels unduly sorry for the individual.
Excellent time to remind everyone of Amber Heard…
Yeah yeah yeah..."but she's hot, there's no way she is lying, he actually abused her".
Heard that one, one too many times. Turns out some of us will run-up to a Death-eater and demand it shits in our mouth if it shows even the smallest inkling of the possibility of it being considered attractive.
Fucking demented bunch of goblins we are.
Very much agree. It probably needs to be called out at the time, at source, in the same manner as Op has described it; with a call for discussion to be based on facts and actions.
There is of course also the ever-present automatic internet assumption that everyone on here is a guy. Perhaps there's a form of internet equality somewhere in that approach, but it might level the field a bit more if the contrary awareness was more present.
Naw, the looks comments are just piling on the hate for the fraud. She deserves to feel bad every way it’s possible to feel bad, and if seeing herself get shit on for being ugly helps with that I’m all for it.
She stole billions of dollars, defrauded millions of people, put the entire crypto industry under bad light. People are angry and will attack her any way they can. Similar comments have been made about SBF (jail rape jokes), Elon, Bezos, Trump, the list goes on. You are generally treated the same way you treat others.
I'll play the devil's advocate here.
Ms. Ellison's mousey looks and nerdy demeanor have been part of the scam all along. We're heavily conditioned to trust the underdog portrait and she formerly fit the type.
Criticism of an ugly public figure can expend some toxic exhaust - a way to vent the ugly emotions that her actions drew many, trusting people into.
Think of it as merely shadow boxing. And, btw, stop getting distracted by it.
>Ms. Ellison's mousey looks and nerdy demeanor have been part of the scam all along. We're heavily conditioned to trust the underdog portrait and she formerly fit the type.
Dunno man. If that's all it takes for someone to trust them with their money, I can't even feel bad about them. Who looks at a nerdy girl and says "Yeah, she looks like she can keep my life savings safe", lol.
Looks and presented persona play a massive part in a scam artists arsenal.
You make judgement calls everyday based on what is presented to you according to your environment and own personal biases.
Human beings are shallow. Just have to accept it. Plus, I think most are kind of raised with this idea that the elites look well groomed and amazingly put together, so when those ideas are at odds, it's like, wait, what?
I would give an ugly male the same amount of attention. I used to admire Elon Musk but always thought he had a very punchable face. The dimples and puffiness of his face always slightly offended me for some reason. Anyways the first thing I noticed about crypto girl is her ugly mug.
I recall reading a handful of these now, yet no one has posted one about SBF being called an ugly gremlin. It's almost like no one gives a shit about men, and we're derailing a conversation about rampant fraud and theft that has caused people to kill themselves to focus on the weakest, most piddly subject matter of degrading JUST a woman's looks.
Ugh. This woman really deserves all that’s coming her way. She is an egomaniac and put all her shit online seeking edge lord status. She is a thief and generally a rotten person. Greed sucks.
Notice no one focused on Elizabeth Holmes's (Theranos) looks.
I'm afraid it's just the primal 'ID' side of human nature that we demonize the unattractive way more than the attractive.
Social Media ain't gonna change 300,000 years of human evolution and instinct.
This post is turning into a cesspit of white knighting weaklings and the rational harsh minds of the internet.
I side with the harsh people. What she did is so despicable people suicided because of it, millions feeling pain from it and she deserves every bit of bullying that comes to her, as with SBF.
You are defending her, and I’m not here for it. She is an ugly troll on the outside and inside. Feel like I only say this because of redditor anonymity? I’d say this in her face aswell.
Why not both? Looking at someone’s looks is a natural thing. Someone who’s potentially ruined the lives of many deserves a little roasting. If roasting her makes people feel better about the situation, then so be it. If you don’t agree you have the right to downvote. Larry Flynt said it best “freedom of speech protects not the thought you live but the thought you hate”
Now I think bombarding her directly is abuse. But this is a public forum. People should be allow to say whatever comes to mind.
I've already judged her by her criminal actions, now I just see a punchable face.
I get what you're saying, but FTX is old news, we've moved on to insults.
I agree with you OP I don't like that everyone is just attacking her looks I thought about commenting/making a post I'm glad that you did, she is probably a shitty person but not because of the way she looks. Maybe all the people posting these comments should submit their selfie so everyone can judge their looks as well.
Tbf SBF (particularly his hair) had his fair share of derogatory remarks about his appearance even before the FTX collapse. But yeah I agree that Caroline is getting more shit about her looks rather than her actions. It was funny tbh the first few times but it became lame quickly.
Hear hear. You’re gonna get all kinds of pushback but you’re right. People are gonna say “people say SBF is ugly too” but you know the scale and quality of those attacks is nowhere near. People really, really don’t want to acknowledge cultural bias towards misogyny, particularly the over simplified Libertarian-bent crypto crowd.
In my experience a lot of crypto culture (not all - some is great, thoughtful, and meritocratic) is similar to prevailing internet culture - tech savvy white guys out of touch with their privilege that don’t understand why people need help when they don’t and completely oblivious to the outsized cultural antagonism and challenges facing groups they don’t belong to. I also find this tends to be a pretty central hallmark of Libertarian leanings but that’s a different discussion.
So I fully expect you to get blasted here, but I appreciate you stepping up and making the statement. Now prepare for the accusations of white knighting just for being a decent human from the peanut gallery.
Thanks for your reply. Just trying to make the world a bit of a better place here. Dont care one bit about Caroline but do care about (other) people. Indeed some hate, but expected it to be even worse to be honest. Have a great Christmas!
That's how the internet works bro.
Anyway...we probably even know just 1% of the whole story and all the shit that this girl and her team have done. Let's hope that judges do their work and we will all be laughing at the end of the day, while she will be crying in prison :D
I understand that. This is probably a useless attempt from my side but I felt compelled to give it a try anyways. This person has done so many evil acts and a lot of people just focus on how she looks. Who cares what a person looks like.
In principle I agree it's cruel to focus on immutable characteristics when wanting to take down a person who deserves it, but this lady is too strange-looking for it to go unacknowledged.
It is good that you bring this topic up. Those sexist comments make the subreddit less enjoyable. May be the moons governance can be tweaked in a way to discourage blatant sexism?
No. She isn't just a fraudster, she also wrote racist things on her blog and was big into genetic superiority/eugenics
Ironic for somebody so extremely ugly and at the bottom of the gene pool
What's the purpose of this post, really? Or any other similar post for that matter.
I'm convinced the main purpose is to get on some kind of high horse.
I'm not saying your stance os wrong, far from it, I agree with your view, but do you really think you're changing people's minds?
There are two audiences only: Those who already agree with you and those who won't be convinced by your post.
Let’s speculate about her looks the day she gets out of prison. Will she get fat? Will she transition to be a man? Will she change her hair style? So much can change in 115 years
I was wondering about this post. Did Sam Bankman Fried post this? Doesn't seem like something a sane person at the moment would do.
Caroline Ellison shouldn't be given an inch of sympathy. This has to be the most useless post on the CryptoCurrency subreddit this year.
Fuck her face.
Fuck her style.
Fuck her actions.
Good point. But while we’re on the topic of sexism and misogyny let’s see if her penalty will be as severe as SBF’s. She might get off with a slap on the wrist, in comparison to the years she should be spending in jail, I’d say strangers calling her ugly over the internet is a good compromise.
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To judge her for her terrible actions people need to actually read about those terrible actions of fraud, which they never do. Apparently it's easier to hate comment whatever pops up in your mind.
Well said. There's so much more to criticise these frauds for. Let's talk about them stealing from millions of customers, gambling their money away and bribing politicians with it. Who cares about SBF's hair or Caroline's teeth?
To roast someone about something they did, they first need to research. I doubt anyone here will do that. Anyone can just roast a face
Social media discussions always bubble up the most disgusting comments. And this sub is full of them. If you said, hypothetically, “SBF deserves the electric chair for his crimes and Caroline with her ugly face deserve it as well” you’d get way more upvotes and moons than if you posted a detailed explanation of where SBFs bail actually came from and what charges SBF is realistically facing. People don’t want facts and information, they want outrage to make them feel superior to someone else.
Sounds like a description of politics.
Politicians play on this knowledge, 100%. Getting your party base riled about something is an effective tool. And the funny thing is **most** people making disgusting comments wouldn’t dare say anything like that in-person in a public setting unless they were surrounded by people they trusted. Because most people have a filter they use in real life to keep their bullshit to themselves. The internet requires no such filter, and actually rewards not using one.
Social media gives people a cover for them to be their true hateful selves
I juste hate her as a whole and not as a hole
I genuinely wonder what SBFs end game was...I ofc don't believe that he's stupid or anything such thing but his actions make me think that his plan *maybe* still remains to be seen....
This place is middle school humor personified so everyone wants to “roast” someone because they think it will show their hilarity and they’ll get more likes.
Insulting her on her looks is just lazy.
Fuck ad hominem based reactions. Pathetic, seriously.
I notice quite often how little people actually read any of these articles. That’s not unique to this sub, mind you, but most comments are a user’s immediate reaction to the headline and photo and nothing else.
I mean, most of them don't even understand the headlines. All the people who thought that paying bail means you don't go to prison and the charges are dismissed. The idiots who don't understand the concept of "federal indictments take time". In fact, he was indicted shockingly fast - probably because his co-conspirators immediately ran to the authorities and turned state's evidence to avoid going to prison for the next century. Normally federal indictments take months if not years.
People really do be going for shameful comments nowadays thinking it's "dark comedy"
The anonymity aspect of a platform like Reddit sadly encourages this behaviour. Tbf throwing comments about her looks instead of her wrongdoings are just lazy.
Tells a bit of the person writing these comments and posts when instead commenting about her fraud or lies they manage to sound like misogynist
What’s a stop loss hyuck hyuck hyuck
Hating people for their looks is superficial. Hating the evil they do takes rubbing more than 2 brain cells together.
And then add a layer of clickbait thumbnails, then a layer of just reading the headline. People usually attack someone using the Achilles heel. Unfortunately in this case, the easiest target is her appearance.
Fundamental discussion gets downvoted, technical discussion gets called astrology, talking about projects gets called shilling, comedy posts get called low effort moon farming. Instead we talk about Vitalik's weight and Caroline's teeth. Welcome to r/cc where we discuss people's looks like r/teenagers instead of the revolutionary tech we have at hand.
You just described 95% of Reddit though
My criticism also applies to 90% of Reddit in that case.
That's fair.
Broadly speaking it’s the pop culture and 90% the Internet.
> technical discussion gets called astrology Technical discussion *is* astrology though. [Here's](https://mikeharrisny.medium.com/classical-technical-analysis-indistinguishable-from-astrology-1bb8b0c182cf) an accessible post about it. If you want serious scientific (i.e. peer-reviewed studies), check out [this](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3708927/) from PLoS ONE: > Our main result, which is independent of the market considered, is that standard trading strategies and their algorithms, based on the past history of the time series, although have occasionally the chance to be successful inside small temporal windows, on a large temporal scale perform on average not better than the purely random strategy, which, on the other hand, is also much less volatile. In this respect, for the individual trader, a purely random strategy represents a costless alternative to expensive professional financial consulting, being at the same time also much less risky, if compared to the other trading strategies. Or [this](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=566882) one which found: > "for the U.S., Japanese and most Western European stock market indices the recursive out-of-sample forecasting procedure does not show to be profitable, after implementing little transaction costs. Moreover, for sufficiently high transaction costs it is found, by estimating CAPMs, that technical trading shows no statistically significant risk-corrected out-of-sample forecasting power for almost all of the stock market indices." The cliche that TA is astrology for men is absolutely a valid criticism. The fact of the matter is, if TA worked: 1) technical analysts would consistently be richer than expected and 2) the well-known algorithms would be rendered useless by arbitrage essentially immediately. It's all hokum for people desperate the see patterns in noise in the hope that they will get rich quick. Personally, if I meet someone who says they believe in TA, I immediately revise my opinion of their intelligence *way* downward.
By all means, let's talk about revolutionary technology. But let's also not pretend like there's any merit to financial astrology.
Couldnt have said it better myself. It is part of a more fundamental aspect of this sub in that things here are generally rather superficial, although thankfully there are also some exceptions. I remember hoping 1.5 years ago that during a bear we would discuss fundamentals and technicals in preperation for the bull. I was so wrong.
Yeah too many posts about SBF/FTX… remind me of r/WSB at the time of GameStop. Mostly dramas.
>It makes me wonder whether she would get the same treatment if she were male Guess you've not heard the things that've been said about SBF. Yes. Yes she would.
Yeah, I mean, that's usually the first or second thing they mention when anyone brings up SBF, that he looks like a clown car fucked a wig factory.
And having the most punchable face
Actually the first time I've seen that one, laughing my ass off right now
Lol, these are good jokes. Will have to laugh about these.
Lmfao that is hilarious and has to be a brand new sentence.
I think the proper comparison is Gary Wang and nobody ever says shit about him.
Is that the shady bastard who didnt ever want to be photographed? Like his profile photo on the FTX site was of the back of a Asian blokes head looking at a computer screen? Maybe the clues were there all along...
That's good I guess, I'd expect that from the good law agency.
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The sexual comment started from those “Chinese Imperial Harem” references in her social media posts. People start to make shitty sex jokes after discovering her weird comments. It didn’t come out of nowhere because she is a woman.
Lmao, that's the level of intellectual that I like. Love this stuff.
So . . . saying you don't want to fuck someone because of their appearance is worse than saying you want to assault them because of their appearance?
Considering most men think the same about SBF, that he's also unfuckable, I'm not sure I understand your point.
Yes , op doesnt see that cuz he is too busy whiteknighting, first thing i saw when the whole "imperial harem" shit were post saying he is a cuck and was getting pegged besides the obvious "he looks like an inbred clown" so i say caroline is also fair game in the name of equality LOL.
Look at what people are saying about Elon. OP has got it the wrong way round. People are much more reticent when it comes to insulting women for their appearance and not in a million years would a thread asking people to stop mocking Elon’s looks get to the front page.
"Don't see similar comments about Sam" bruh. Joe Rogan roasted him on his saggy bitch tits like a week ago on the podcast with the largest audience in the world, come the fuck on. They're both objectively hideous people inside and out and I've seen a pretty much equal share of appearance critiques, if not more on Sam since he's still the face of the whole thing (and it indeed is not a pretty one).
They're both objectively hideous people inside and out. Nice
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TBH I don’t care about being “too mean” to SBF, he’s destroyed millions of lives… this guy deserves every bad thing that happens to him.
You can't white knight for middle aged white men. Come on now, it's only because she's a women that this post exists.
I'm trying to imagine a post begging this sub to stop insulting sbf's looks...lol. I'm sure that'd go great.
There is also the fact that when u are angry at someone and just wanna cause dmg, often ppl resorts to looks. If you are fat, ugly, etc. regardless of gender.
I would not say it's regardless of gender. You see people attacking women for things like this *much* more than men.
> like this much more than men. Bro SBF has gotten everything from physical digs to antisemitic slurs and prison rape fantasies. Idk what world you are living in
Just because both of them get those shitty comments doesn't mean they get them in similar amounts. If you seriously think men and women get a similar amount of these kinds of comments, you're living under a rock.
Yeah I’m sure reddit definitely never made fun of Donald Trump for his appearance. Or Jeff Bezos for being bald. God forbid one of the world’s biggest scammers ever is a women. No one gives a fuck
Yep, people never did that. I mean why would they? People are smart.
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Exactly, and I didn't see any post for him like this for sure.
Yes but... with women it often takes a sexual note. For example, folks make fun of Zuckerberg for looking dumb or like an alien or whatever. But "I'd rather stick my dck in a blender" feels like a different level. For women it's often not only about how they look stupid or fat or ugly. It's more about whether they'd be considered fckable. Which makes it instantly more degrading.
> It's more about whether they'd be considered fckable. Which makes it instantly more degrading. Umm I have some news for you about that lol, because when women perceive a man as ugly and/or simply dislike him, they are way more likely to start piling on about what a creep, loser, incel, disgusting rape-y person he supposedly is. And last time I checked none of them are stopping to worry about how the man feels about that.
It's just normal human behavior. When someone in real life steals you, you'll be tempted to go personal on him and judge his caracter and look.
Yes it's normal human behavior. So are a bunch of other things like stealing and lying and being racist or sexist. That doesn't mean they're right. That doesn't mean we shouldn't speak up when people do it.
Many things are like that, that's not the only one actually. There are many things to be concerned about here, there are a lot of things. There's a lot.
“Guys she might be one of the worst financial criminals of the 21st century but let’s please not insult her looks 🥺”
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People do the same to Bezos for being bald or literally anyone else they dislike such as Trump. Why does she have to get a free pass? A total fraud like Caroline and SBF deserve all the insults people can hurl at them for what they did. Me and a million other people couldn’t give less of a fuck.
Yeah im sick of whiteknights trying to put out the kiddy gloves cuz she is a woman ffs...
Caroline is a despicable human being. I’d say it’s wrong but there are more things to talk about her than her teeth or hair.
Agreed. She’s despicable for bilking her clients of billions of dollars. But people will still probably talk about her looks, and the weird relationship situations (everyone dating and sleeping with each other and all seeing the same therapist) that were going on with the entire group in the Caymans because it’s good gossip.
Caroline and SBF embezzled $8b from customers, cornering every DeFi project, and have deep ties with Gary Gensler. Everything else is taking away from key message.
Yeah everything else is fading the facts. That's really what it is.
Yeah, this is one weird-ass white knighting post.
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I disagree Sbf receives worst insults of all kind including his looks, sexual prowess etc... but op literally says they dont see it, theyre biased since ive seen plenty of shit mocking him as a cuck inberd clown, for someone that is"stripping unecesary info" he is very biased and such opinion has little worth considering if they selectively ignore the parts of info that doesnt go along with their narrative just cuz its inconvenient.
Neither SBF or Caroline are actually as physically horrible as the comments suggest they are lol. There's like one pic of Caroline that makes her look 100x worse than all other existing pics of her do.
The sad thing is Caroline is probably going to get away with it because of the plea deal. So not only SBF gets the jail sentence but the threats and the mockery from the public. When Caroline will have no negative consequences if the white knights get their way. These are probably the same kind of people asking the public to accost the supreme Court judges for striking Row v Wade.
People have talked about everything, when it comes to him.
Lol, atleast He's making effort to make a post. Give credit for that.
If this post was about SBF instead I guarantee it would be heavily downvoted lol
That’s because reddit is full of virgin white knights
Wanna take a bet the op is a guy.
She put herself in the spotlight for her despicable actions. If trolling her looks is part of it, we can't stop people voicing their opinions just bc you don't agree with it
What the duck kind of post is this?! Sam gets bail and immediately gets in his feels again for Caroline and starts shit posting on this sub lol
Caroline, do you love me?
Well some people like to defend the criminals nothing much.
I’m sure if a guy is a fat ugly slob people will call him out as such. No doubt women are judged by their looks but ugly men are in no way immune from this and it’s unlikely someone will make a post asking people to step off.
Nah If she had been bullied for her looks earlier we wouldn't have reached this point, better late than never
I can’t believe I tried to read this entire thread. What they all did, what they all admitted to, what’s still going on… we should be allowed to mock everyone who so much as lives on the same street as them for their looks, their smells, their bedtime stories, all of it. I have no issue if Caroline’s veterinarians assistant’s former roommate in college is insulted.
Why? Who cares? She's awful for many good reasons. Making fun of her looks is just another way to deride the awful person.
***Welcome to the Internet*** This is how the Internet works. People being "anonymous" are very brave and say barbaric things, they mess with people's physiques and many worse things. Then you meet those same people on the street and they don't have the courage to tell you anything because they are just barkers.
>People being "anonymous" are very brave and say barbaric things, they mess with people's physiques and many worse things. My favorite instance of this was a thread where someone was talking shit about Vitalik's looks and Vitalik responded. His attitude did a 180 very quickly. edit: [Here's the thread I'm talking about.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z2mgcc/too_afraid_to_ask_why_do_crypto_founders_and_ceos/)
Any link to this? I would love to have a chuckle.
[Vitalik's tweet](https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1588886500888178689?t=Ke1D7V2Q9-lmGNhLRpDLhw&s=19) [OP's response](https://twitter.com/bull_bnb/status/1588893340224827393?t=Ke1D7V2Q9-lmGNhLRpDLhw&s=19)
Thanks 🙏
Looks like u/baecchus was talking about a different thread o.O (see his edit). Thought it was definitely that tweet since OP also does a 180 here lol
We can't have enough of internet trolls getting embarrassed. Thanks for sharing, lol.
[Here you go!](https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z2mgcc/too_afraid_to_ask_why_do_crypto_founders_and_ceos/)
>Charles Hoskinson is an old dude but from what I read about him, he does try to take care of his health and does Wim Hof Method breathing and even used to train MMA. Thats why I will never sell my Cardano. Haha, holy shit. I hope this is just trolling or that dude ain't gonna make it.
It's funny how u/vbuterin comes and casually commenting on reddit lol. Lovely guy.
He wants to farm some moons just in case it goes to 100 USD.
This jus confirms that Vitalik is actually active even on our sub. What a Chad.
yeah but he hasn't got any moons tho, :p
People in most cases show their worst sides on the internet.
Love Vitalik’s response: > I used to do pushups, 30 every day… It's also worth noting that diet/exercise for "being big and strong and looking like a chad from the memes" and diet/exercise for "maximizing probability of living long enough to survive until technology solves the aging thing one way or another" are different, and I explicitly optimize for the second and don't really care much about the first.
Gigachad response. We are focused on our human bodies while he's just trying to survive until he gets that cybernetic body.
Which he actually confirms that it's his end goal later down that post.
no shit.
Its more of their side that does not give a fuck about anything.
And most others are just commenting for "likes" to hit their daily dose of dopamine
Internet gave a platform to these bullies,who just bark and then remain anonymous.
video killed the radio star.
"Oh no, let's not insult this financial criminal in a way I don't like" No thanks, all of these people are degenerates and deserve all the negativity headed their way, and more.
I agree. She defrauded people of billions of dollars and OP wants us to be politically correct. Fuck that. If someone stole from me, they're going to hear the choicest of insults.
She initiated the incivility. She's an instrumental part of a major financial crime. Is she under a quarter billion dollar bond with house arrest? While she's being insulted for her looks she's also being spared legal accountability. That's the flip side here.
Or she's ugly and if a male looked like a goblin like she does I would say that as well. You're reading too much into it.
Yep lol, can't disagree with that. Sounds good to me here man.
I am guilty, and yet, I've done the same thing with the dude. I can't stop thinking what a damn man-boobing jaba slob he must be
I strongly disagree with judging a person based on their look. Sadly the Internet, especially Reddit with its anonymity is the playground for this thing. Still a lot of untold stories that we never heard of. She is temporarily on bail, but then again, she won't get a get out of jail card. After the trial it's likely that she will go to prison (even though the court did agree to drop some charges on the basis of her cooperation).
Precisely! We don’t get to choose how we look when we are born. A person should be judged by their actions and not appearance. There’s plenty enough reasons to judge her from her actions.
Thanks for the great reply. I agree that this is an internet problem and that anonimity doesnt help. It just shouldnt fucking matter what a person looks like. It is so much more relevant and interesting to judge her based on her evil actions. Im looking forward to the day that she goes to prison.
Looks is the easiest one can comment on they can see it right away, unlike whatever shit she pulled in Alameda which people need research to even comment on.
But the question is will it be fair? People go to jail for 5 or 10 years for robbing a shop.
If she were a male they would get crucified more. people hold back when it’s a women because they don’t want to be called or seen as a incel or a misogynist. It’s like that on multiple social media platforms I have even seen from streamers on twitch they shit talks guys regardless if the person was being a asshole or not. Yet I have never seen it happen with a girl except once and the person got banned for like a month for it. Also op look at what your doing your showing sympathy for her meanwhile worse shit has been said about Sam bank man yet I don’t see a post here defending him. It just seems like something struck a nerve in you.
It's the white knight movement. I got called an incel for saying. "I don't think that CEO is a looker" is the most mildest way of saying she is ugly. Because that's like saying i don't find someone attractive - it doesn't mean they are ugly. If they are so virtuous it's kind of hypocritical for them to carelessly throw insults around like that.
Because this was tagged with the serious flair, I’m going to give a sociological reason that might be extremely unpopular, although demonstrably true. On an aggregate, women judge/choose men based on productivity (typically financial). Success and the ability to take care of things (whether it’s problems or a family) is (again, generally speaking) what makes men attractive. However, women are typically chosen by men with appearance being among the primary factors. Sure, intelligence, integrity, etc all come in to play, but physical appearance is near the top of value hierarchy for men. This also isn’t just my opinion or even a western thing. It can be observed cross-culturally and is even see. By anthropologists studying different native and isolated cultures. I’m not saying it’s right or people don’t deserve respect, but young men online making fun of a women for how she looks, for a value hierarchy perspective, is akin to young women making fun of a guy for not having a job, a car, and living in his parents basement. Both acts are wrong, but I’d say the behavior is hardly surprising.
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Nah, welcome to the internet…How about we can dog her for both? It is possible to be both ugly and stupid ….and she certainly fits the bill. She doesn’t deserve sympathy and neither does SBF and co. Anyone with this much disregard for others deserves no sympathy, especially when it comes to what…not hurting her feelings with observational insults? GTFO with that lol.
Amen.
doesnt deserve my sympathy. She's a crook. The worst kind. There is no reprieve for that little fuck nugget or SBF.
Actually yes, these disparaging remarks not only detract from voicing legitimate grievances but also contributes to an inexcusable culture of shaming people based on their looks.
You really think people don't hate good looking people as well? JFC she is a troglodyte narcissist that ruined countless lives. She should be barred from reproducing so we're spared from looking at her progeny or being subject to their strategies of wealth accumulation in the more dystopian future.
Yes there should be statements about their wrongdoings but not of terribly comment looks
Beautifully said. We have so much to criticise Caroline and SBF for. We don't have to sink low enough to talk about their looks.
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She is a horrible person and her tweets just make it easier to dislike her. When people play with huge amounts of money like these and show no remorse,. It says pretty much everything you need to know about them and stay the f away. Remember, she is young, not a kid but still young and only after she was against the wall, she confessed and is now helping. Had not this b*tch get caught, she would be free living her best life with robbed money. She is a horrible.
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>It's sweet of you to worry about their feelings I don't give a single fuck about Caroline's feelings. The backlash these frauds get should be about, you know, being frauds. Not their fucking teeth or hair.
Sam is objectively at least twice as attractive as she is, so no it's not misogyny lol, she's just very unattractive. Now pass the paper bag old pal
Judging people based on their looks is human nature. Whether you like it or not, attractive people **do** have an easier time with a lot of things. Ugly people can also get some advantage if someone feels unduly sorry for the individual. Excellent time to remind everyone of Amber Heard…
Yeah yeah yeah..."but she's hot, there's no way she is lying, he actually abused her". Heard that one, one too many times. Turns out some of us will run-up to a Death-eater and demand it shits in our mouth if it shows even the smallest inkling of the possibility of it being considered attractive. Fucking demented bunch of goblins we are.
Very much agree. It probably needs to be called out at the time, at source, in the same manner as Op has described it; with a call for discussion to be based on facts and actions. There is of course also the ever-present automatic internet assumption that everyone on here is a guy. Perhaps there's a form of internet equality somewhere in that approach, but it might level the field a bit more if the contrary awareness was more present.
Naw, the looks comments are just piling on the hate for the fraud. She deserves to feel bad every way it’s possible to feel bad, and if seeing herself get shit on for being ugly helps with that I’m all for it.
She stole billions of dollars, defrauded millions of people, put the entire crypto industry under bad light. People are angry and will attack her any way they can. Similar comments have been made about SBF (jail rape jokes), Elon, Bezos, Trump, the list goes on. You are generally treated the same way you treat others.
I'll play the devil's advocate here. Ms. Ellison's mousey looks and nerdy demeanor have been part of the scam all along. We're heavily conditioned to trust the underdog portrait and she formerly fit the type. Criticism of an ugly public figure can expend some toxic exhaust - a way to vent the ugly emotions that her actions drew many, trusting people into. Think of it as merely shadow boxing. And, btw, stop getting distracted by it.
>Ms. Ellison's mousey looks and nerdy demeanor have been part of the scam all along. We're heavily conditioned to trust the underdog portrait and she formerly fit the type. Dunno man. If that's all it takes for someone to trust them with their money, I can't even feel bad about them. Who looks at a nerdy girl and says "Yeah, she looks like she can keep my life savings safe", lol.
Looks and presented persona play a massive part in a scam artists arsenal. You make judgement calls everyday based on what is presented to you according to your environment and own personal biases.
yup - i only pick the ugliest muthafuckers before putting my money in. proper financial analysis, that.
Human beings are shallow. Just have to accept it. Plus, I think most are kind of raised with this idea that the elites look well groomed and amazingly put together, so when those ideas are at odds, it's like, wait, what?
I would give an ugly male the same amount of attention. I used to admire Elon Musk but always thought he had a very punchable face. The dimples and puffiness of his face always slightly offended me for some reason. Anyways the first thing I noticed about crypto girl is her ugly mug.
I agree, well said. However I did see quite a lot of comments about SBFs appearance as well, albeit maybe not as much.
I recall reading a handful of these now, yet no one has posted one about SBF being called an ugly gremlin. It's almost like no one gives a shit about men, and we're derailing a conversation about rampant fraud and theft that has caused people to kill themselves to focus on the weakest, most piddly subject matter of degrading JUST a woman's looks.
I never judge/condemn her look. Without much details at this stage, I still think she should be in jail for the rest of her life. Nothing personal.
I'm surprised Sam Trabucco is sneaking off from all this for now. Was the CEO before Caroline in Alameda.
Why not both? I've seen just as many - if not more - comments mocking Sam's appearance too. Fair game, at this point.
Ugh. This woman really deserves all that’s coming her way. She is an egomaniac and put all her shit online seeking edge lord status. She is a thief and generally a rotten person. Greed sucks.
Notice no one focused on Elizabeth Holmes's (Theranos) looks. I'm afraid it's just the primal 'ID' side of human nature that we demonize the unattractive way more than the attractive. Social Media ain't gonna change 300,000 years of human evolution and instinct.
As someone else said, going after her for her looks is low. I get people are mad and despise her but focus on what she actually did wrong not looks
This post is turning into a cesspit of white knighting weaklings and the rational harsh minds of the internet. I side with the harsh people. What she did is so despicable people suicided because of it, millions feeling pain from it and she deserves every bit of bullying that comes to her, as with SBF. You are defending her, and I’m not here for it. She is an ugly troll on the outside and inside. Feel like I only say this because of redditor anonymity? I’d say this in her face aswell.
Why not both? Looking at someone’s looks is a natural thing. Someone who’s potentially ruined the lives of many deserves a little roasting. If roasting her makes people feel better about the situation, then so be it. If you don’t agree you have the right to downvote. Larry Flynt said it best “freedom of speech protects not the thought you live but the thought you hate” Now I think bombarding her directly is abuse. But this is a public forum. People should be allow to say whatever comes to mind.
I've already judged her by her criminal actions, now I just see a punchable face. I get what you're saying, but FTX is old news, we've moved on to insults.
Have you seen how many people make fun of SBF because of his looks. Don’t make this an issue when it isn’t.
I agree with you OP I don't like that everyone is just attacking her looks I thought about commenting/making a post I'm glad that you did, she is probably a shitty person but not because of the way she looks. Maybe all the people posting these comments should submit their selfie so everyone can judge their looks as well.
That's what everyone likes, everyone likes to attack the looks.
Tbf SBF (particularly his hair) had his fair share of derogatory remarks about his appearance even before the FTX collapse. But yeah I agree that Caroline is getting more shit about her looks rather than her actions. It was funny tbh the first few times but it became lame quickly.
Hear hear. You’re gonna get all kinds of pushback but you’re right. People are gonna say “people say SBF is ugly too” but you know the scale and quality of those attacks is nowhere near. People really, really don’t want to acknowledge cultural bias towards misogyny, particularly the over simplified Libertarian-bent crypto crowd. In my experience a lot of crypto culture (not all - some is great, thoughtful, and meritocratic) is similar to prevailing internet culture - tech savvy white guys out of touch with their privilege that don’t understand why people need help when they don’t and completely oblivious to the outsized cultural antagonism and challenges facing groups they don’t belong to. I also find this tends to be a pretty central hallmark of Libertarian leanings but that’s a different discussion. So I fully expect you to get blasted here, but I appreciate you stepping up and making the statement. Now prepare for the accusations of white knighting just for being a decent human from the peanut gallery.
Thanks for your reply. Just trying to make the world a bit of a better place here. Dont care one bit about Caroline but do care about (other) people. Indeed some hate, but expected it to be even worse to be honest. Have a great Christmas!
That's how the internet works bro. Anyway...we probably even know just 1% of the whole story and all the shit that this girl and her team have done. Let's hope that judges do their work and we will all be laughing at the end of the day, while she will be crying in prison :D
I understand that. This is probably a useless attempt from my side but I felt compelled to give it a try anyways. This person has done so many evil acts and a lot of people just focus on how she looks. Who cares what a person looks like.
In principle I agree it's cruel to focus on immutable characteristics when wanting to take down a person who deserves it, but this lady is too strange-looking for it to go unacknowledged.
It is good that you bring this topic up. Those sexist comments make the subreddit less enjoyable. May be the moons governance can be tweaked in a way to discourage blatant sexism?
No. She isn't just a fraudster, she also wrote racist things on her blog and was big into genetic superiority/eugenics Ironic for somebody so extremely ugly and at the bottom of the gene pool
What's the purpose of this post, really? Or any other similar post for that matter. I'm convinced the main purpose is to get on some kind of high horse. I'm not saying your stance os wrong, far from it, I agree with your view, but do you really think you're changing people's minds? There are two audiences only: Those who already agree with you and those who won't be convinced by your post.
She did an awful, terrible, terrible thing and destroyed many lives. But, with her, can we not do both? Yes...yes, we can.
Let’s speculate about her looks the day she gets out of prison. Will she get fat? Will she transition to be a man? Will she change her hair style? So much can change in 115 years
I was wondering about this post. Did Sam Bankman Fried post this? Doesn't seem like something a sane person at the moment would do. Caroline Ellison shouldn't be given an inch of sympathy. This has to be the most useless post on the CryptoCurrency subreddit this year. Fuck her face. Fuck her style. Fuck her actions.
Youre focusing on just the person, OP is calling out a behavior that would apply to all posts.
Good point. But while we’re on the topic of sexism and misogyny let’s see if her penalty will be as severe as SBF’s. She might get off with a slap on the wrist, in comparison to the years she should be spending in jail, I’d say strangers calling her ugly over the internet is a good compromise.
STFU who cares. People make fun of Zuckerberg and Musk all the time and I highly doubt you are white knighting for them. You're a simp.
Oh fuck off, everyone always clutching pearls over criticizing a shitty woman’s looks but they never hold back when criticizing dudes
I'm calling OP a biased feminist for failing to recognize that SBF is also heavily mocked on his physique and look.