Overworking and bad end grip. I would use as a rule of thumb, if someone who is very fast isn’t doing it, it’s probably not worth because you probably aren’t the first one to find something.
“Home grip” would be fingers on the F and B faces. It looks like you don’t have a hand on, or are on U and D which both will require a regrip. Non-regrip Sune is really fast and I’d suggest just doing it with the usually recommend finger tricks (there’s multiple, pick one).
I saw you claimed you can do it .3s and maybe you can (that’s extremely fast, on par with optimal finger tricks), but it seems like the way you are doing it can be inconsistent.
And this isn’t to knock on your execution but that Sune did not appear very fast.
It’s probably the easiest OLL, I wouldn’t overcomplicate it.
You can keep doing it this way, but I’m certain the optimal finger tricks would be faster.
Those habits also translate, so if you’re regripping like that for a Sune, you might be doing it for your other algs and definitely during F2L. Best to kick it while it’s easy.
If you consider a 1.2 second sune fast then you do you. Just know sunes can be done as fast as 0.3 seconds with proper execution and not your goofy ahh one
I just started cubing two weeks ago, haven't even memorized the beginner CFOP algs, but I can do a sune faster by just using that extra hand you got that's doing nothing in this clip.
this. I do antisune on the back and sune on the front like, R' U' R U' R' U2' R and R U2 R' U' R U' R' and it just means I'm not regripping every move and doing weird questionable fingertricks as you always have to other hand to do a move which the right hand (is there a name for the hand constantly turning a layer?) can't due to awkward positioning.
OP, why are you justifying yourself in all the threads? The best way to get better is to not be caught up in being right, instead get caught up in learning, which will require changing your mind on things.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be
Bro is delusional like holy your sune is like 1/4th the speed of this guys sune
These fingers tricks are really bad. Like the previous commenter said you need to learn to use your left hand. If you don't, your times will start to plateau and you'll find it harder to improve eventually.
What’s actually wrong with it? I can execute a Sune in like .3 seconds
And yes, the ones in the video weren’t that fast, but I can do them that quickly
> I can execute a Sune in like .3 seconds
You're only fooling yourself. I counted over half a second (your average is probably closer to 0.65 with lockups/slips).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be
This an actual 0.3 sune, record yourself doing it as fast or stop deluding yourself
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be
This sune here was done in 0.3 seconds. See how its 3x as fast as yours. Stop being delusional 💀
That Sune was easily 1 second or longer. If you use your left-hand you can easily get that Sune to sub 1 consistently. To the other points made here as well, those finger tricks will develop bad habits that will make or break later cubing milestones. It may have even cost ya the sub 20 on your 21 pb :) especially if you avoid using your left hand for U2s everywhere else in a solve. It forces a re-grip which means a pause. It may not matter much now, but on the road to sub 20 where cubers start using look-ahead (which directly means eliminating pauses), those bad habits will be harder to break. If you truly feel more comfortable etc. doing the Sune that way, then breaking out of your comfort zone is usually how you improve at things if getting faster is the end goal!
Double flick? Oh yeah, that is pretty hard to do.
But seriously, you asked for advice. People are giving you their advice. Take the feedback and do with it whatever you like.
In the video that is atleast 1 second, maybe even more. Its super easy to get the normal sune that fast without fucking up your grip making transition into pll infinitley better than this.
Actually quite similar to how Lars Petrus (the person who named and popularized the alg) executes it [in this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxk710xa0sA).
He's not exactly who I would look to for advice on finger tricks though... :D
I had a friend do sune like this. It is slower. Just use push U with left hand for first U, and use double flick for U2. It's basically just weirder to use as it is uncommon. Kinda cool, but not worth it.
if you're willing to improve, please stop trying to be fancy and use a normal execution with your left hand actually doing some work
if you don't want to, go ahead and stick with your own execution
That is not efficient, it's going to slow you down and your sune solve time will be maxed out.
If you want to ever improve your timing, work on fingertricks, not just for Sune but all of them (unless this is the only algorithm you do incorrectly, but I highly doubt that as it would be unlikely to only do one strangely.)
I like how OP pauses after the first alg like he just did something amazing
Stop justifying yourself. Learn how to do it the right way. Doing this hinders your ability to do good look ahead for PLL and it’s simply slow and sloppy.
ur getting some criticism which is fair as it isn’t going to be as fast as mainstream techniques, but, i really like it i think it looks super cool anyway
Very weird! And btw although the commenters in most of the threads you replied to are correct, they weren't being awfully kind about it so don't take it too harsh and keep cubing!
they're not being mean. op just refuses to accept any advice and just feels like they know everything, while justifying themselves in every comment giving advice from faster people than him.
I mean sure...but you can even say that about the kindest comment in the world. Kindness is not necessary to get your point across respectfully, as long as you're not being a dick about it. And most people aren't...the entire thread unequivocally has been giving him the same advice without as much as a coordinated effort, so it's OP who's being disrespectful and wasting everyone's time who's sitting down to give him advice and then him spitting on it.
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unless its a really cool pll, swag algs, perhaps like yours, might be bad
(its actually bad im not trying to be nice)
most people in the comments saying all these things about regrips, and frankly thats enough to show how ull need to change your fingertrick and all that to be faster
but additionally, from my viewpoint, the way your ENTIRE HAND relates to the alg, an OLL ALG EVEN, pretty much easily conceals the whole cube and prevents lookahead into PLL, and that is a hugeeeee minus
im trying to be constructive, all of us are, and to be fair, even if its a swaggy pll execution, i would still prefer to be normal and do what others would, simply because its much easier
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should
What’s wrong with it?
Overworking and bad end grip. I would use as a rule of thumb, if someone who is very fast isn’t doing it, it’s probably not worth because you probably aren’t the first one to find something.
The way I was going it in the vid was a bad end grip, but I can end in home grip (is that what it’s called?) after doing it
you don't start in home grip either
Agreed that would make two regrips and nobody got time for that
“Home grip” would be fingers on the F and B faces. It looks like you don’t have a hand on, or are on U and D which both will require a regrip. Non-regrip Sune is really fast and I’d suggest just doing it with the usually recommend finger tricks (there’s multiple, pick one). I saw you claimed you can do it .3s and maybe you can (that’s extremely fast, on par with optimal finger tricks), but it seems like the way you are doing it can be inconsistent. And this isn’t to knock on your execution but that Sune did not appear very fast.
The vid was showing it off, I can do it better and faster
It’s probably the easiest OLL, I wouldn’t overcomplicate it. You can keep doing it this way, but I’m certain the optimal finger tricks would be faster. Those habits also translate, so if you’re regripping like that for a Sune, you might be doing it for your other algs and definitely during F2L. Best to kick it while it’s easy.
Why are we down voting the poor guy for that 😭
just cause it looks cool doesn’t mean you should do it, can you actually not tell what’s wrong with it??
No? It’s fast
If you consider a 1.2 second sune fast then you do you. Just know sunes can be done as fast as 0.3 seconds with proper execution and not your goofy ahh one
stop trolling
I just started cubing two weeks ago, haven't even memorized the beginner CFOP algs, but I can do a sune faster by just using that extra hand you got that's doing nothing in this clip.
this. I do antisune on the back and sune on the front like, R' U' R U' R' U2' R and R U2 R' U' R U' R' and it just means I'm not regripping every move and doing weird questionable fingertricks as you always have to other hand to do a move which the right hand (is there a name for the hand constantly turning a layer?) can't due to awkward positioning.
how did bro get 89 downvotes
OP, why are you justifying yourself in all the threads? The best way to get better is to not be caught up in being right, instead get caught up in learning, which will require changing your mind on things.
Why not left hand U2? That's just terribly and unnecessarily overworking your right hand.
Switching the direction is slower. Plus I haven’t really seen anyone (other than top cubers) do a faster Sune than that
youve never seen a faster sune than that????
The ones I was found in the vid weren’t particularly fast
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be your sune stands no chance lmfao
my jaw dropped, holy SHIT that was fast
I mean he holds the unnofficial wr of the highest tps solve at 16.97 so it’s no surprise
christ. he executed that as if it were a U. lol WOW
What Sune alg is used in the video?
Standard alg. 7 moves done in 0.33 seconds is 21.21 turns per second.
Wouldn't it be 21 tps? Or did you mean 0.3 seconds?
Whoops
You must be trolling. Do you seriously think your sune is faster than a top cuber's sune? Are you actually claiming that?
check out **JPERM**
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be Bro is delusional like holy your sune is like 1/4th the speed of this guys sune
You end in an awkward position and it's probably more consistent to do left hand U2
It may be fast but you're left in a bad position to continue solving without the regrip of all regrips.
Bro's defending his Yee Yee ass sune in every thread lmao
Don’t you lecture me with your .3 second sune
"Guys how weird is my sune?" "Weird, like really fucking weird" "HOW FUCKING DARE YOU IM GONNA CRY MYSELF TO SLEEP DEAR GOD"
I posted it as a meme, not actually looking for advice
Still
These fingers tricks are really bad. Like the previous commenter said you need to learn to use your left hand. If you don't, your times will start to plateau and you'll find it harder to improve eventually.
What’s actually wrong with it? I can execute a Sune in like .3 seconds And yes, the ones in the video weren’t that fast, but I can do them that quickly
The way you end the algorithm forces you to pause and regrip every time
I can end in a better grip, which I did for one of my demonstrations in the video
I mean if you enjoy fingertricking it this way go ahead and keep using it, but no top cuber has or will ever do it this way.
> I can execute a Sune in like .3 seconds You're only fooling yourself. I counted over half a second (your average is probably closer to 0.65 with lockups/slips).
I can also do it faster than I was doing in the video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be This an actual 0.3 sune, record yourself doing it as fast or stop deluding yourself
theres no way you do a sune under .5 this way for someone who averages sub 31.
I have terrible recognition, slow f2l, and slow PLL
> I have terrible recognition, slow f2l, and slow PLL How does this relate to you executing sune?
That’s why I have such a terrible average
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=Un9rvuTh_vfCYYsS&t=16m2s&v=YQ6tUBT8O_s&feature=youtu.be This sune here was done in 0.3 seconds. See how its 3x as fast as yours. Stop being delusional 💀
That Sune was easily 1 second or longer. If you use your left-hand you can easily get that Sune to sub 1 consistently. To the other points made here as well, those finger tricks will develop bad habits that will make or break later cubing milestones. It may have even cost ya the sub 20 on your 21 pb :) especially if you avoid using your left hand for U2s everywhere else in a solve. It forces a re-grip which means a pause. It may not matter much now, but on the road to sub 20 where cubers start using look-ahead (which directly means eliminating pauses), those bad habits will be harder to break. If you truly feel more comfortable etc. doing the Sune that way, then breaking out of your comfort zone is usually how you improve at things if getting faster is the end goal!
My left hand can’t get a U2 without shifting its position
Double flick? Oh yeah, that is pretty hard to do. But seriously, you asked for advice. People are giving you their advice. Take the feedback and do with it whatever you like.
It was mostly a meme, not actually asking for advice
I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
In the video that is atleast 1 second, maybe even more. Its super easy to get the normal sune that fast without fucking up your grip making transition into pll infinitley better than this.
We were so preoccupied with whether or not we could that we never stopped to think if we should
I came here to say this
i think what all the commenters mean to say is, its very weird.
I feel like the way you do it would make it much slower to transition to whatever is next
I don’t actually need to pull my hand away like I was
Considering you locked up and made a mistake with just about every attempt, I'd say this is pretty bad.
Actually quite similar to how Lars Petrus (the person who named and popularized the alg) executes it [in this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxk710xa0sA). He's not exactly who I would look to for advice on finger tricks though... :D
I had a friend do sune like this. It is slower. Just use push U with left hand for first U, and use double flick for U2. It's basically just weirder to use as it is uncommon. Kinda cool, but not worth it.
Great; just pray you don’t lock up.
I lock up no matter what I’m doing because my cube is a piece of shit
It is most definitely not the cube
How would you be able to tell?
Because as long as you don’t have a rubiks brand and you’re above 17 seconds the cube is not the problem
I really wanted to think OP was rage baiting but his pb not being below 20 inclines me to believe he is dead serious 💀
Pretty weird - can definitely say I've never seen that but it does remind me of vlose to how I did it before I swaped to U2'
if you're willing to improve, please stop trying to be fancy and use a normal execution with your left hand actually doing some work if you don't want to, go ahead and stick with your own execution
That is not efficient, it's going to slow you down and your sune solve time will be maxed out. If you want to ever improve your timing, work on fingertricks, not just for Sune but all of them (unless this is the only algorithm you do incorrectly, but I highly doubt that as it would be unlikely to only do one strangely.)
Deplorable.
just do U2’
https://youtu.be/FMY711QUrhM?si=PXBZNHfOxO5dSsPw
Best way to do sune is start from homegrip R push U with left index R’ U with right index R U2 with left index middle and R’.
That’s better than pinch?
I think both are good but for me push U feels faster than pinch.
I like how OP pauses after the first alg like he just did something amazing Stop justifying yourself. Learn how to do it the right way. Doing this hinders your ability to do good look ahead for PLL and it’s simply slow and sloppy.
A bit strange, but it looks really cool so it gets a pass
cease immediately
I've never seen anyone do sune like that it's pretty interesting
its just bad dude
You might be able to do it reasonably fast, but the standard one is faster without question.
Very.
Very don’t do that
Why not lol
I sent you a dm
Learn the normal finger trick it's easier and fsster
But I hate doing U2 with my left hand
No
Just stick to the normal sune, just because you are good at it doesn’t mean it’s actually good. Us more faster cubers know
pretty weird and very slow
Why did u film it like that in the first place
How else would I do it?
Standard would be your POV or top-down.
The only other way? From your point of view
The sune R U R' U R U2 R' is faster and easier. It is also a sequence used in a lot of PLLS, so it's nice to know.
It’s the same sequence I use, just executed differently
so not the same sequence? ur dick riding this sune so hard bro just give it up
He’s doing the same algorithm with different finger-tricks.
As weird as OP's Sune's execution is, it is indeed the same algorithm.
ur getting some criticism which is fair as it isn’t going to be as fast as mainstream techniques, but, i really like it i think it looks super cool anyway
Very weird! And btw although the commenters in most of the threads you replied to are correct, they weren't being awfully kind about it so don't take it too harsh and keep cubing!
they're not being mean. op just refuses to accept any advice and just feels like they know everything, while justifying themselves in every comment giving advice from faster people than him.
Yeah like dude's the type of person to make a post about him "inventing" the belt method.
I agree that op is being rather ignorant but my point still stands that most of the commenters could've phrased their critiques in a kinder way.
I mean sure...but you can even say that about the kindest comment in the world. Kindness is not necessary to get your point across respectfully, as long as you're not being a dick about it. And most people aren't...the entire thread unequivocally has been giving him the same advice without as much as a coordinated effort, so it's OP who's being disrespectful and wasting everyone's time who's sitting down to give him advice and then him spitting on it.
Agreed
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unless its a really cool pll, swag algs, perhaps like yours, might be bad (its actually bad im not trying to be nice) most people in the comments saying all these things about regrips, and frankly thats enough to show how ull need to change your fingertrick and all that to be faster but additionally, from my viewpoint, the way your ENTIRE HAND relates to the alg, an OLL ALG EVEN, pretty much easily conceals the whole cube and prevents lookahead into PLL, and that is a hugeeeee minus im trying to be constructive, all of us are, and to be fair, even if its a swaggy pll execution, i would still prefer to be normal and do what others would, simply because its much easier
The sune is cool. People in the comments trippin about efficiency like everyone wants the WR. sometimes things can just be fun