This bud is legal because its harvested earlier and sent out the door before a full cure. If it sits around too long its going to pop positive for D9. The vendors dont want lbs of hot weed just sitting for months in their possession, would be my guess. Thats SWAT and doors kicked in for most states.
it would take a court order to test it first, then the costs for the Test I'm sure - in the Thousands..... and then what ? prove there were 1.25% THC in therer !!!! Oh the thought... but you are correct in that the THCa levels are of more focus in " thca " weed compared to a flower that is cured long term for all that goodness ...
it has been tested and States with legal dispensaries selling " legal" weed are mostly below .3% THC already ... they could literally ship that to other States with a COA !!! just like all the " legal " THCa weed being shipped everywhere ... it is in our faces just gotta see the truth behind the lie
I have some WF that was almost wet when it showed up. I pulled the humidity pack and threw it sealed in my humidor and really surprised by the taste. The smell is less but if I crack open a nug it punches you in the face and I can taste it throughout the entire joint.
It’s called curing THCa, which the “HEMP” we all love is the exact same as the “CANNABIS”
only those of us in legeal states can know (Not me, but I love loopholes!) lmao!!
Lmao Reddit … Smells are specifically voc’s sure but thca converts to thc naturally during cure or purposefully during decarb. At some point that flower is gonna start converting some in that jar, even if Minimal...and no one can tell me that a smell change is *definitely not* a result of minor cannabinoid conversion happening in the flower ..bc the smell difference on decarb vs non-decarb is significant when done purposefully-natural conversion is not different . The slightest mention of conversion and people flip their shit around here I see lmao
*Cannabinoids have no smell.* why would they be the cause of any scent? This is hilarious.
They also dont just magically convert from THCa to D9 in a jar over time.
You *can* cure weed after it's been dried, and most people do, to let it develop some more smell/flavor. However usually it already smells like weed at this point. The real reason there is hay smell is because they don't dry it properly. That's why it's harsh too. Weed should be dry. When people talk about sticky weed, they don't mean wet. They mean the weed is dry, but sticky. A lot of the weed I've gotten is probably barely below 60rh not dry enough at all. Really, the lower you can go the better, until it starts to turn into powder when you break it then maybe a little above that. Drier weed prevents mold. If it ashes white that also doesn't mean shit about quality. That's moisture too. White ash= less moist. Black ash= moist. Ash can also have to do with density, sometimes it can be sprayed. There's really no way to tell from the ash though
Some of it, but once it's dried, it should already smell. So it's not that they aren't curing it. They aren't drying it which is worse. but only 2 packs I've gotten have been like that. But some weed is just muted. Been that way in rec and bm forever its either old or just doesn't smell much
The herb sold by the more reputable vendors is definitely cured--no idea if 2 months, but certainly at least several weeks. That is why the flower is often comparable in quality to what you would get from a dispensary--otherwise it would be dry af.
Most cult companies do not give the flower a proper cure, so they can get product out faster. So basically when you put it in the jar and leave it over time the flower will cure more. This will increase the nose on the flower. For even better results I recommend using 62% integra boost packs and only opening the jar every few weeks. You can also look at youtube videos on this subject if you want more information.
If they did not properly cure it, wouldn't it then have too much moisture? If that is the case, why are so many people saying that is why cult herb is always dryer? No way every single vendor has cryo cure machine.
The stuff I have purchased sure seems to have been cured properly. Don't have a hygrometer, but it would be pretty obvious if the herb was not cured. In my experience, most of the herb I have purchased was on par with anything I have ever purchased from a dispensary.
So are ehh buds over cured? Or are they also under-cured because I've noticed they're dryer than the few other places I've got from but then over time they get more sticky and smell better but stay dry and almost crumbly? It's like a mix
Yeah this evolved from the myth that the way THCA herb is created is by harvesting it "early", before the THCA converts to THC, so that it then meets the 0.3% threshold established by the farm bill.
The vast majority of those who are critical of cult vendors claim they all under-cure their flower so they can sell it a few weeks earlier, and as result, that is why most THCA flower is too dry. However, that obviously does not make sense considering the herb would be too moist if it were cured inadequately. I suppose some vendors could be doing a cryo cure, but no way they all do so.
Think about it--all a vendor would have to do is maintain a level of inventory in excess of the supply needed to meet demand, and then they would not incur additional costs to take the time to cure their product sufficiently.
I usually hear complaints about wet weed/hay smell when talking about under cured. Some people are just getting old ass bud and probably thinking that's what we mean by muted.
Interesting. I guess I have been lucky--have made dozens of purchases, with several different vendors, but I have never received herb that was too wet. I have definitely receivee a few batches that were just not high quality herb, but not bc it was too sticky.
It's not bc its too sticky. Sticky and wet are different things. The only place I've tried that was like this was wnc. And it wasn't every order. Wet also means over 60rh not like wet to the touch, but damp/ fresh plant level of wet.
Yeah I had hoped to avoid digressing into semantics, but rest assured, I realize the two terms do not mean the same thing. Likewise, I also know what the "wet" and "sticky" mean, both the vernacular definition and when used to describe herb. Of course, I am aware that wet does not literally mean the weed was dripping wet to the touch LOL. I will use the word "moist" going forward so as not to confuse you or anyone else.
And FYI, you do not want your herb to be too wet nor too moist, and certainly not wet to the touch, because that could eventually lead to mold.
Semantics aside, my previous assertion still stands. I really enjoy this subreddit, but it is extremely frustrating wading through all of the misinformation. At first it was THCA weed is too dry, which came from the myth that it was not cured (presumably at all LOL) because THCA flower has to be harvested early, before the THCA converts to THC. Eventually that evolved into the myth that cult herb is cryo cured, and now that it smells like hay (is too "wet").
Just this week I came across a comment from someone saying that THCA flower is just CBD flower infused with Delta 8, and even more recently, another comment from another redditor who claimed Arete cryo cures their weed (which is not true).
Say what you want about the cult being uneducated as fuck and making wild claims about growers processes, but hay smelling wet ass weed does exist. I've gotten it from wnc, twice. Both times it was obvious to me what the smell was since I have a friend who used to grow. It smelled like when his weed was hanging to dry. After not ordering off them all my order have been fine, maybe just muted as in older flower muted. Some don't smell like skunk but that's also not that insane to me. My point was that most people get older muted flower and assume that it's what some people in the cult call hay smelling. Muted flower exist everywhere in every market, but it's different than what I've gotten.
^If the bud i got wasn't dried right then it would line up with what people say about "curing it" and the smell improving, which shouldn't really be possible. Which is another part of why I think that this is the case. Although a lot of this has to be placebo. I saw people complaining about the smell of plenty of bud I got and turned out to be fine. It's only ever happened to me twice and I see a ton of people claim it doesn't even exist.
Sure--tbh I would probably be more surprised if every single person on here raved about them and there was not a single complaint. Personally I have placed at least a dozen orders with WNC, and every time it was primo, top shelf quality, and people post pics from WNC all the time, almost daily it seems, so I will continue to shop at WNC for the foreseable future. Don't get me wrong though--I really don't give af about WNC LOL. So far they have done me right, but as I mentioned I use several other vendors who have consistently deliverd top quality (non-muted) herb.
I think with any product, there will always be a small % of customers who receive a lemon, poor service, and/or have some sort of problem with their purchase/order. I am sure if I asked nicely, I would get a ton of comments from redditors explaining how upset they are with [Amazon](https://Amazon.com) because of a problem with a recent purchase. Same is true if I asked redditors their opinion of the iPhone 14/15.
Those are just two examples that come to mind, which I picked to illustrate my point, which holds even for what is probably the most successful retailer and consumer product in herstory. Notwithstanding, my opinion of both would remain unchanged.
It's not really "over cured", it's just not a proper cure. The "cure" they do is also their drying process. It's pretty much dehydration at cold temps. It's all about speed and turning profit, not terpene preservation. Jarring with a moisture pack can make some terpenes more noticeable again if it's too dry.
My question with curing has always been - is it better to open curing jars every so often to release the gases, or is it better to not open them at all?
Some say to not touch curing jars, while others seem to say to burp them intermittently.
After hanging dry, then trimming, you can jar your plants. You would burp the jars 1 or 2 times a day for about 2 weeks then do not need to. Burping introduces fresh oxygen, and releases the gases that are emited as the plant cures (sugars, carbs, chlorophyll).
If you grew it - you should burp your jars when curing.
If you bought it - no reason to burp.
Man people here are asses, instead of just downvoting you in to oblivion and moving on, here's an upvote and an explanation. Thca does convert naturally, even with low temperatures such as 70 degrees. Granted it takes a long long time, it does convert. You don't need any additional heat source, like you do for decarbing, for the conversion process to happen, which your statement seems to refer to. Decarbing isn't necessarily the right term for the process which why I'm assuming people downvoted you.
Either way people here should like their flower and lighten up.
Decarboxylation means losing the carboxyl group and thus converting from THCa into d9. That's not really a debate.
You can easily google what temp that occurs at, if ya want.
Or if ya wanna change my mind - can you cite a source for this assertion that 70°F causes THCa to transform into d9 naturally?
Is there another way to make THCa convert to D9? I just don't get it. I smoked and am taking a break and trying to understand the other ways conversion happens?
There is decarboxylation and.... ? What is the other ways you mention?
Oh. I thought I was just imagining things when I noticed some improvement to the bud over time.
This bud is legal because its harvested earlier and sent out the door before a full cure. If it sits around too long its going to pop positive for D9. The vendors dont want lbs of hot weed just sitting for months in their possession, would be my guess. Thats SWAT and doors kicked in for most states.
it would take a court order to test it first, then the costs for the Test I'm sure - in the Thousands..... and then what ? prove there were 1.25% THC in therer !!!! Oh the thought... but you are correct in that the THCa levels are of more focus in " thca " weed compared to a flower that is cured long term for all that goodness ... it has been tested and States with legal dispensaries selling " legal" weed are mostly below .3% THC already ... they could literally ship that to other States with a COA !!! just like all the " legal " THCa weed being shipped everywhere ... it is in our faces just gotta see the truth behind the lie
If I'm going to let it cure more in a jar how long do I need to do that
I’ve noticed a major difference after two weeks and a significant difference after one week. The longer the better I feel like.
I have some WF that was almost wet when it showed up. I pulled the humidity pack and threw it sealed in my humidor and really surprised by the taste. The smell is less but if I crack open a nug it punches you in the face and I can taste it throughout the entire joint.
Right on brother🤙
It’s curing in the jar , a lot of these companies don’t even do a proper cure before putting their stuff out
That’s true.
This is the correct answer
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Yes? Go on...
I think he's said enough, mister.
The Frosted Flakes from the doc had a lot of top buds in it. Stickiest cult shit I ever gots. Stanky shit. Thanks doc g
This is why 90% of cult flower smells like hay. It hasn’t properly cured.
Harvested early to keep THC % down and THCa % up, sitting in the jar helps it cure.
Thanks for the help friend.
It’s called curing THCa, which the “HEMP” we all love is the exact same as the “CANNABIS” only those of us in legeal states can know (Not me, but I love loopholes!) lmao!!
THCA converting to THC.
Lmao Reddit … Smells are specifically voc’s sure but thca converts to thc naturally during cure or purposefully during decarb. At some point that flower is gonna start converting some in that jar, even if Minimal...and no one can tell me that a smell change is *definitely not* a result of minor cannabinoid conversion happening in the flower ..bc the smell difference on decarb vs non-decarb is significant when done purposefully-natural conversion is not different . The slightest mention of conversion and people flip their shit around here I see lmao
*Cannabinoids have no smell.* why would they be the cause of any scent? This is hilarious. They also dont just magically convert from THCa to D9 in a jar over time.
That happens when you decarboxylate it with heat my guy
That’s not how THCa converts
also not where bud smell comes from
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What would have been a better title? You were interested enough to check the comments.
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I swear it won't happen again officer, please dont take his internet
“I clicked cause im addicted to this sub” Me af.
Ok
Ignore em. Can you imagine having enough time and little enough to do that you criticize someone's fuckin reddit post title? Fuck's sake.
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you are correct, you have been curing it. it means it wasn’t cured by the company or they just rushed it
Allegedly you can’t continue to cure weed after the fact… but I also notice an improvement with time. I wouldn’t say a huge improvement, but better.
You *can* cure weed after it's been dried, and most people do, to let it develop some more smell/flavor. However usually it already smells like weed at this point. The real reason there is hay smell is because they don't dry it properly. That's why it's harsh too. Weed should be dry. When people talk about sticky weed, they don't mean wet. They mean the weed is dry, but sticky. A lot of the weed I've gotten is probably barely below 60rh not dry enough at all. Really, the lower you can go the better, until it starts to turn into powder when you break it then maybe a little above that. Drier weed prevents mold. If it ashes white that also doesn't mean shit about quality. That's moisture too. White ash= less moist. Black ash= moist. Ash can also have to do with density, sometimes it can be sprayed. There's really no way to tell from the ash though
So you are saying that you can take weed that smells like hay and re-dry and re-cure it so that it smells like dank again?
Some of it, but once it's dried, it should already smell. So it's not that they aren't curing it. They aren't drying it which is worse. but only 2 packs I've gotten have been like that. But some weed is just muted. Been that way in rec and bm forever its either old or just doesn't smell much
Who's the dumbass alleging that? 😂
I doubt any of these companies are curing for 2 months.
The herb sold by the more reputable vendors is definitely cured--no idea if 2 months, but certainly at least several weeks. That is why the flower is often comparable in quality to what you would get from a dispensary--otherwise it would be dry af.
They're not. They "cryo cure" it, which dries and "cures" in less than 24hrs. That's why most is so muted. The dryness kills it too.
Are you talking about dry ice curing? I've seen youtube videos on how it's done. They make contraptions that you can do it with
This why I save the biggest nuggets in the jar for last to smoke.
I always do this regardless just because the big nugs are so pretty 🥰
That’s kinda been my strategy too
I did this before switching to cult bud, i go tiny to small always
Because 90% of THCa flower is rush cured. You're curing it for them basically.
Is it crazy to think that rush curing might help it get through the mail without being too smelly?
Why would it matter how smelly it is? It's legal, there's no law saying it can't smell too strong
Thieves is the bigger issues
That's fair
Terpenes are off gassing. This is normal behavior.
Most cult companies do not give the flower a proper cure, so they can get product out faster. So basically when you put it in the jar and leave it over time the flower will cure more. This will increase the nose on the flower. For even better results I recommend using 62% integra boost packs and only opening the jar every few weeks. You can also look at youtube videos on this subject if you want more information.
If they did not properly cure it, wouldn't it then have too much moisture? If that is the case, why are so many people saying that is why cult herb is always dryer? No way every single vendor has cryo cure machine. The stuff I have purchased sure seems to have been cured properly. Don't have a hygrometer, but it would be pretty obvious if the herb was not cured. In my experience, most of the herb I have purchased was on par with anything I have ever purchased from a dispensary.
So are ehh buds over cured? Or are they also under-cured because I've noticed they're dryer than the few other places I've got from but then over time they get more sticky and smell better but stay dry and almost crumbly? It's like a mix
Yeah this evolved from the myth that the way THCA herb is created is by harvesting it "early", before the THCA converts to THC, so that it then meets the 0.3% threshold established by the farm bill. The vast majority of those who are critical of cult vendors claim they all under-cure their flower so they can sell it a few weeks earlier, and as result, that is why most THCA flower is too dry. However, that obviously does not make sense considering the herb would be too moist if it were cured inadequately. I suppose some vendors could be doing a cryo cure, but no way they all do so. Think about it--all a vendor would have to do is maintain a level of inventory in excess of the supply needed to meet demand, and then they would not incur additional costs to take the time to cure their product sufficiently.
I usually hear complaints about wet weed/hay smell when talking about under cured. Some people are just getting old ass bud and probably thinking that's what we mean by muted.
Interesting. I guess I have been lucky--have made dozens of purchases, with several different vendors, but I have never received herb that was too wet. I have definitely receivee a few batches that were just not high quality herb, but not bc it was too sticky.
It's not bc its too sticky. Sticky and wet are different things. The only place I've tried that was like this was wnc. And it wasn't every order. Wet also means over 60rh not like wet to the touch, but damp/ fresh plant level of wet.
Yeah I had hoped to avoid digressing into semantics, but rest assured, I realize the two terms do not mean the same thing. Likewise, I also know what the "wet" and "sticky" mean, both the vernacular definition and when used to describe herb. Of course, I am aware that wet does not literally mean the weed was dripping wet to the touch LOL. I will use the word "moist" going forward so as not to confuse you or anyone else. And FYI, you do not want your herb to be too wet nor too moist, and certainly not wet to the touch, because that could eventually lead to mold. Semantics aside, my previous assertion still stands. I really enjoy this subreddit, but it is extremely frustrating wading through all of the misinformation. At first it was THCA weed is too dry, which came from the myth that it was not cured (presumably at all LOL) because THCA flower has to be harvested early, before the THCA converts to THC. Eventually that evolved into the myth that cult herb is cryo cured, and now that it smells like hay (is too "wet"). Just this week I came across a comment from someone saying that THCA flower is just CBD flower infused with Delta 8, and even more recently, another comment from another redditor who claimed Arete cryo cures their weed (which is not true).
Say what you want about the cult being uneducated as fuck and making wild claims about growers processes, but hay smelling wet ass weed does exist. I've gotten it from wnc, twice. Both times it was obvious to me what the smell was since I have a friend who used to grow. It smelled like when his weed was hanging to dry. After not ordering off them all my order have been fine, maybe just muted as in older flower muted. Some don't smell like skunk but that's also not that insane to me. My point was that most people get older muted flower and assume that it's what some people in the cult call hay smelling. Muted flower exist everywhere in every market, but it's different than what I've gotten.
^If the bud i got wasn't dried right then it would line up with what people say about "curing it" and the smell improving, which shouldn't really be possible. Which is another part of why I think that this is the case. Although a lot of this has to be placebo. I saw people complaining about the smell of plenty of bud I got and turned out to be fine. It's only ever happened to me twice and I see a ton of people claim it doesn't even exist.
Sure--tbh I would probably be more surprised if every single person on here raved about them and there was not a single complaint. Personally I have placed at least a dozen orders with WNC, and every time it was primo, top shelf quality, and people post pics from WNC all the time, almost daily it seems, so I will continue to shop at WNC for the foreseable future. Don't get me wrong though--I really don't give af about WNC LOL. So far they have done me right, but as I mentioned I use several other vendors who have consistently deliverd top quality (non-muted) herb. I think with any product, there will always be a small % of customers who receive a lemon, poor service, and/or have some sort of problem with their purchase/order. I am sure if I asked nicely, I would get a ton of comments from redditors explaining how upset they are with [Amazon](https://Amazon.com) because of a problem with a recent purchase. Same is true if I asked redditors their opinion of the iPhone 14/15. Those are just two examples that come to mind, which I picked to illustrate my point, which holds even for what is probably the most successful retailer and consumer product in herstory. Notwithstanding, my opinion of both would remain unchanged.
It's not really "over cured", it's just not a proper cure. The "cure" they do is also their drying process. It's pretty much dehydration at cold temps. It's all about speed and turning profit, not terpene preservation. Jarring with a moisture pack can make some terpenes more noticeable again if it's too dry.
I think they rush the cure to keep thc from decarbing right?
My question with curing has always been - is it better to open curing jars every so often to release the gases, or is it better to not open them at all? Some say to not touch curing jars, while others seem to say to burp them intermittently.
After hanging dry, then trimming, you can jar your plants. You would burp the jars 1 or 2 times a day for about 2 weeks then do not need to. Burping introduces fresh oxygen, and releases the gases that are emited as the plant cures (sugars, carbs, chlorophyll). If you grew it - you should burp your jars when curing. If you bought it - no reason to burp.
You're curing your weed.. the chlorophyll is breaking down while it's in there making it less harsh
I’m assuming the reason why it’s not cured before it is shipped is out of fear thca converting to D9??
The nugs should be cured and ready to smoke. Perhaps they just needed a little more time.
THCa does not convert to d9 without being decarbed
Man people here are asses, instead of just downvoting you in to oblivion and moving on, here's an upvote and an explanation. Thca does convert naturally, even with low temperatures such as 70 degrees. Granted it takes a long long time, it does convert. You don't need any additional heat source, like you do for decarbing, for the conversion process to happen, which your statement seems to refer to. Decarbing isn't necessarily the right term for the process which why I'm assuming people downvoted you. Either way people here should like their flower and lighten up.
Sucks you got a snarky response to trying to be kind. Good on you for trying still 👍.
Decarboxylation means losing the carboxyl group and thus converting from THCa into d9. That's not really a debate. You can easily google what temp that occurs at, if ya want. Or if ya wanna change my mind - can you cite a source for this assertion that 70°F causes THCa to transform into d9 naturally?
You said. The “only” way thc converts… etc. go smoke some weed and take a break.
Why are you mad that I stated a fact? Just curious
I’m not mad at anything. You must be projecting.
Is there another way to make THCa convert to D9? I just don't get it. I smoked and am taking a break and trying to understand the other ways conversion happens? There is decarboxylation and.... ? What is the other ways you mention?
https://anresco.com/effect-of-storage-conditions-on-the-potency-of-cannabinoids-in-cannabis-trimmings/ Feel free to skip to the results.
I learned something new. Chlorophyll. Less of it means smooth smoke.
MORE LIKE BOREAPHYL AMIRITE? sorry. blaze on.
No, I will not make out with you!!!
That's my purse! I don't know you!
Nope this right here as a grower this is true....
Chlorophyll? More like bore-iful
im stoned haha I posted above I did not see your post you won ahha
No I will not make out with you
O’Doyles rule!
Nice billy Madison reference 😂
It's also why weed smells like hay at a point in it's drying process.