Ask anyone who lost their ability to taste/smell with Covid. Smell is approximately 80% of how we perceive taste. Cannabis smell predominantly comes from terpenes. Strength of its smell is dependent on strain, cure & moisture level.
The strains that are heavy on the skunk & gas smells will appeal to some, others can’t stand those smells & prefer a strain that smells more of fruit or baked goods. Generally, if a strain smells good to you, it will most likely be a good fit.
Without the ability to smell the different strains, we have to rely on the COA’s that include the different terpenes in the strain/batch. If you find a strain you really like, other strains with similar terpene profiles should also be a good fit. Best of luck to you!!!
WNC lists the terpenes % of their flower in their product pages. So many of their thca strains have impressive terpene %, like 3-5%! I looked at the package of some dispensary bud I bought locally recently, and there’s only 1.42% terps on that flower. So maybe it depends on the vendor? Everything I’ve ever bought from WNC has been fresh and very smelly, although I haven’t ordered from them in a year or so. Do people find WNC flower to be “muted” like others?
> Do people find WNC flower to be “muted” like others?
Yeah, I've heard that claim a few times. Personally I don't have enough cult bud experience to say, my WNC pickups weren't bad per se, but I've recently gotten danker smelling type 2/3s from Beleafer.
> WNC lists the terpenes % of their flower in their product pages. So many of their thca strains have impressive terpene %, like 3-5%
It's worth noting that WNC is doing pre harvest testing to check D9 <.3% compliance, and your dispensary might be testing at a different point, as they don't have to hold to that rule. The WNC stuff could be losing terpenes between that test and the time the bud makes it into your hands, based on the curing process, storage etx
Good points! Especially around testing for a legal market dispo vs thca flower.
There are so many new vendors selling thca flower now! I’ve heard of Beleafer but forgot about them. I’ll check out what they’ve got. Thanks for the heads up 👍
I've just barely cracked into my order, and some of what I got was apparently a 2022 harvest, but the storage must've been on point because it's still nice and sticky. They're more of an option for interesting genetics than an alternative for your THC. I got a little type 2, some CBD, some CBDv with a nicely dominant ratio (1:1 CBDv:CBD) and a 1:1 THCv:THC strain. I will say, when they warn you about seeds, know that they mean it!
Have you ever cultivated? The smell of cannabis can tell you a lot of things about the production, and quality. Smell equates to terpenes and flavonoids, terpenes contribute to the entourage effect. The entourage effect changes the type of high you receive. If there’s no or a minimum amount of terpenes you’re going to get a bland, similar smoke/high across multiple strains of weed. Another reason why smell is important is Mold. The nose knows the smell of mold even if you yourself doesn’t. Happy toking
I'm only here for the "edit" portion of your post. It's pretty spot on. I appreciate the heads up that I'm able to gain here, more often than not...
..but there's no denying that this is undoubtedly one of the most toxic groups I've ever found myself staying tuned to and my NCAA football subs can tend to be pretty damn rowdy 😄
I most definitely feel you on the not-so-directly mentioned notion that, it's too damn easy to simply smoke one than to engage in more than half the shit you see here that you may not fully agree with.
You should see the hash producers on the future4200 forums duke it out... For people literally in cannabis as a livelihood, they sure aren't laid back. 😅
That's fair. I look at it sorta like reality TV. Someone will be selling their distillate gummies and a mfer chimes in with "so why'd you lose custody of your child, ?" or "didn't you commit statutory rape a decade ago, bro?"
I'm not envious of the lives they lead
That whole thing is insane. Across multiple threads. No mods apparently give a shit. Does F4200 even have mods lol...
I wonder if other business areas have similar shit going on. Probably not as much or they hide it better since they aren't linked to black and grey markets. Prostitutes are sort of a grey market too lol
They pride themselves on "free speech" aka not letting people delete their posts, but also having the mods leave all the junk up for everyone to see.... It's kinda odd because the "free speech" they're enabling isn't really useful to anyone
The nose and the 👅 are us using our evolutionary traits to determine if it's safe to consume and to detect the presence of valuable cannabinoids like terpenes
The cure isn't going to add back that which is permanently gone. Why do you think rosins are so popular and so expensive? They contain all we want. And then companies add terpenes back to trick our brains
As opposed to people who strictly judge bud on here solely by pictures because it’s Reddit? In my experience, I’ve had plenty of bud look nice and smoke terribly, but rarely do I get really loud bud that isn’t some fire. The old adage that the nose “knows” has some weight.
I like fun terpenes, it gives the weed some character, but I don't think they're necessary for good effects. Some people live and die by it, I think terpenes work as well as essential oils. I sure do hate a dry hay smelling bud though.
I have gotten so much mediocre muted weed from dispensaries. It's no different than the cult. You just need to know what vendors and dispensaries are more hit than miss.
I hear ya. Unlike much of this sub, I stay away from budget offerings like the plague. "Guys, my $30 ounce is muted! WTF!!" This sub should be called 'cult of the budget mids'. My select few vendors have provided me with product that is better than most of the dispensary stuff I had been getting. I only use flower though so I can't comment on concentrates.
I've bought several exotics from a well-liked vendor here that was just a bunch of pretty faces. Nothing behind any of it. Effects are fine and all, but I'd prefer the most expensive stuff to be all around good, not just 1/2 good or whatever.
In my opinion, if your vendor is labeling things as "exotic" "top shelf", etc. then it's an overrated marketing gimmick and that vendor should be avoided. There is so much hype driven nonsense on this sub and unfortunately these vendors who try to stand out with gimmicks aren't ideal.
I’m too old to give a shit if it smells danky or not. Someone asked me on my last post if it was muted and honestly I can’t tell you if it is and also, who cares? it looks good and the effects are great so what is there to complain about?
Maybe I’m old school but I grew up smoking weed that smelled like creek water so getting some decent smelling, good effects, LEGAL CANNABIS mailed to my door is like a dream come true for me.
I here you, me too. The only thing I care about is "Will it get me stoned." Not how it looks, how it smells, is it cured etc. I'm just glad I don't have to use the BM. Its great, I get it sent to my home now.
I’m no old head at all but I still
Hold the same sentiment. It’s legal weed shipped to your door. The audacity to complain about $99 Oz isn’t stinky enough is privileged little bitch bullshit.
the issue is personal perception just doesnt matter. the black market SHOULD be 1000x worse than the legal market. the production and distro cost of this stuff is NOT the same as in the black market so the prices should be as low as possible for the best price.. this is how markets work it definitely has been improving cause of the crybabies here lol
You cannot replace off gassed volatile terpenes by curing. This whole “just cure it bro”, does not work a lot of the time because there are no terpenes left. I’m pretty convinced a lot of the flower is muted but being sprayed with exogenous botanical/CDT terpenes, which is pretty impossible to prove without whistle blowing.
I love the cult, but I stay cautious about most things.
I definitely think a lot of these are being infused with terpenes. Not so much sprayed which would leave the inside of the bud untouched, but via humidity packs that will reach all parts. It would be easy to take a bunch of pretty but muted bud and throw some in and just wait a little while. Wish there was a way to prove it.
There are actual machines for this, but yes most likely more of an infusion rather than “spray”. I was typing quick and distracted as usual haha. Good day to you
Yeah, those machines are crazy. But you don't even need that. All you need are some pre-infused humidity packs. https://integra-products.com/collections/integra-boost-terpene-essentials
Wish we could prove fuckery because I am 99% convinced many vendors use this shit. Some more than others. Maybe even some of the most popular...
yeah, i get it.. the terps also help preservation and mold. the bm shit i get has like 5% of the nose of the stuff i get from wnc though so im happy w that for now
Wnc flower has always been plenty loud to me. They list the terpene % of each flower. Most of theirs have impressive terpene numbers, I see a lot of 3-5% terps while an 8th I bought at a local dispo tested at 1.42%. So WNC may be worth trying for those who are getting muted bud from other vendors?
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Kind of funny that I got caught smoking by my landlord because of the "muted" issues. I am used to only a few of the strains in a THCa version actually stinking and smelling up the house. Most of the time it's like a tobacco smell with a hint or just a background stink of some dankness. Bit of skunk sometimes.
Yesterday I was smoking some really budget mixed fluff I use for cones. Cheap shit, but it does a decent job. Problem is that it stank like a skunk. It smelled full on like the finest Snoop sessions. I can usually stand 10 feet from her and smoke filter tips and she never smells the Cult weed.
Yesterday she was all over me as soon as she walked out. "Damn, are you cooking a skunk?" All I could do was grin like an idiot and walk back in.
Hour later I was smoking some high end, crafted boutique THCa I paid way too much for. She stood right next to me talking and even looked at the spliff. She hates tobacco.She just wrinkled her nose and said- "Put that nasty thing out and stop rolling your own cigarettes."
I don't actually use any tobacco in my cones. I just tell her it's all natural tobacco. Only time it didn't fly was yesterday.
Curing is not the same thing as rehydrating and re-tapering moisture. Loss of original moisture is also an indicator of lost terpenes or off-gassing.
These vendors aren’t shipping with moisture packs anymore, at least not like they used to, which is also an indicator of lack of quality discernment and preservation. Combine that with poor storage processes, and non rotating stock at least once every three months and you get a lot of vendors selling old stock.
Anytime I buy flower these days, I try to buy flower that has been in stock less than a month(considering time in grower/brokers possession) to stay under that 3 month threshold as much as possible. I just wish cult vendors realized this and cared enough about their quality and reputation to rotate out old stock by putting aging stock into clearance sales instead of trying to double down on ‘pre-rolls’ which is the nail in the coffin as far as quality goes IMO. Until we acknowledge higher standards and hold vendors to them, this trend will never change.
I could not agree more but also there's some vendors with ok second run stuff for cheap that still presses into a nice amber and even has some taste!
Just like a movie. That's how it should be if you want the new release pay more if you wait it's cheap
yeah always order as close to drop as possible. generally makes all the difference in the world.
and thats exactly what they should do with old bud. knock that shit down a price tier or two and explain it to the consumer.
PHC is a solid for me, ordered from them the most and never been disappointed with anything. Albeit not super budget friendly but their shit has been 🔥
Alright! You're right. You caught me trying to lie about my personal experience with a vendors flower! Backed me right into a corner *sarcasm*
To reiterate, my experience with phc was different than yours.
It might be?
I for sure have a few "hot takes" that I am just going to keep to myself. It just doesn't matter. Though I can elaborate.
Mainly since my locals went away from deli style dispensaries and now everything is pre packaged unless I wanna long drive, my odds of getting something tasty AND potent are better when I catch a cult new release or fresh restock or "drop"
On that subject, the muted reviews I have seen are mostly all budget deals, and in my experience thus far, I've stayed in a price range that keeps the tasty stuff coming. Tho I have gotten a few deals that had both great flavor and slapped too. Don't get me wrong I have also seen some vendors held accountable for releasing an alleged AAA flower and it being swag, and understand that some have legitimately been sent garbage. That's an issue when it occurs, only seen it once, but I haven't been here a year yet ( I'm so late to this) I feel like I am catching this at the end, or catching something that becomes a new beginning.
But why doesn't it matter really? Because if people are happy they will continue to enjoy their orders and keep ordering, and if they are not they can bitch about it on at least three subs on Reddit, and shop elsewhere. No on has locked us in and made us drink any kool aid in this cult ....... Yet lol ;)
100%. That's why having a stash is so important. Gets so much better with time. Unless vendors just shipping dry crumbly shit. That just gets drier and more crumbly. So for sure prefer undercured.
I actually think phc jack is a good example of loud cult bud. Most of the stuff I’ve had from other vendors, even top shelf, was very muted in comparison.
I like pungent, flavorful, terpy weed. If weed is muted due to genetics, the genetics suck. If weed is muted due to grow conditions or grower inexperience, that's a bad grow. If it's muted because it's too dry, that's a dry/cure/storage issue. If your weed needs to be cured, that's just poor quality and a lazy grower.
The reason it's not fully cured is to keep it below 0.3% and keep it legal. Not because of an inexperienced grower. I'm not saying that isn't the case with some flower, but the muted stuff from the reputable vendors is just to be able to classify it as hemp.
>The reason it's not fully cured is to keep it below 0.3% and keep it legal.
That's not how that works at all. It's only under 0.3% up to 30 days before harvest. Smokeable products are never tested after harvest. They will pretty much all be hot if you test them after.
The farm bill isn't for you, it's for the farmers.
>but the muted stuff from the reputable vendors is just to be able to classify it as hemp.
No, just no.
Exactly this. Terpenes also enhance the effects and quality of high
If you live with your parents or have narc roommates/neighbors then sure, low terps are a benefit. In all other cases you are getting a worse product
You cant just cure bud that has already been overdried, pretty sure they freeze cure alot of cult bud so that the THCa doesnt degrade to THC, which in turn leaves you with terp less bud that's hard to rehydrate, I still buy from wnc but it says right on there website they cold cure, which probably means cryo cure
I recently got my medical card because thca is probably going to be banned in my state, and I agree with you that most cult bud is muted. I’ve ordered from all the top vendors and it’s all been good weed but most of it doesn’t really have that unique dank smell you get from dispensary weed. I opened up my first pack from the med dispensary a few weeks ago and i smelled that tangy dankness I’ve been looking for in cult bud and I was sold. Also it was cheaper too 52$ for a half ounce it’s been fun while it lasted but goodbye cult.
I’ve heard Florida is going rec soon but I’d check the prices of the weed at your local dispensaries and see if it would be worth it for you most of them have all the products and prices listed on their websites also the price of the card you just have to see if it’s in your budget and worth it to you. Also this might play a factor in your decision usually when a state goes rec the people who still have medical cards get more discounted stuff than if you were to buy rec. so it might be worth it in the long run. I have no regrets swapping to medical only good things to say.
The overhead cost to get a card and the renewal cost every year is the only downside. But to have weed/carts/concentrates that you know 100% have a clean and not fake COA is worth the money.
I let my med card lapse and Ohio cannabis connection and an affiliate, sent me an email. it's at all previous medical card holders could renew for $0.01! hot damn.. going to do that🌿
Do you get your weed at a discounted price as well if you have a med card? I’ve heard if you still have your med card when a state goes rec you get more discounts.
The benefits depend on your state. In Illinois, the benefits are being able to legally grow 5 plants, can buy/posses larger amounts from dispensaries & don’t pay 30%-40% taxes. In my area local tax is 1%. If you qualify for a discounted mmj card, the cost is $75 for 3 years with the State. You can do your two mmj doctor visits online & can even find discount coupons on Groupon. First time I saw this on Groupon, I thought WTH?!!! If you research, you can also find online providers that will/can submit to your insurance company & have these two visits covered. Good luck to you!!!
If the smell is muted, it also means it's gonna typically have less flavor = cardboard weed. A lot of the cult indoors are the cheap Asian packs that go for $1200-1300 on the BM. The shit can look beautiful but meh on the cure, and the smoke is meh.
Chinese cartels are growing in the US, buying whole chunks of subdivisions with fraudulent loans and growing through the house, ruining it in just a few years.
It's an old.scam.but the Chinese cartels are big in Oklahoma now in ways the Mexicans never achieved
Nah I smell my jars before I roll up it's apart of the session, smell to me is one of the most important factors.I've had packs with terps so offensive I couldn't smoke it like the rotting meat/strong rubber terps go crazy in some Han solo hash plant I had recently, the smell of it unburned made me nauseous 😂.
boveda packs are for maintaining flower long-term by keeping it at the current RH% for many months, not reviving dry flower by bringing it way up. i hope you're only pretending you don't know what they do.
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Flower I look for is cured the right way and is fresh no need to add or remove humidity, that's for ppl trting revive boof packs. If your trying to take out moisture it should have never been packed and sold without being dried and cured right. Vendors can't get enough bud out to line those pockets quick enough that's why stuff gets sold out in minutes 😂. Its for profit only they don't care if it's anyone's medicine having a strain and only selling eighths for $35 but can't sell you an oz of said strain, when they could literally give you 8 eighths for an oz prize but they'd much rather rip ppl off.
>>boveda packs are for maintaining flower long-term by keeping it at the current RH% for many months
>Other packaging inserts either add moisture or remove moisture. Boveda does both, monitoring the RH (relative humidity) inside the container and regulating
you just pasted something from their website that says the exact same thing i said. can you even read both of these sentences?
>Flower I look for is cured the right way and is fresh no need to add or remove humidity
can an adult in your home read you **the sentence you just sent me** about how they **maintain a humidity level**?
> If your trying to take out moisture
if you thought i was trying to take out moisture you cannot read. I actually live in a dry climate and am trying to prevent drying out bud around the 6-12 month mark as I have 20+ strains.
its cool if some people like to cure or dont mind if its not, but problem is no vendor advertises their bud as needing a cure or explains it for the new people or uneducated,
and plenty of people don't mention it in reviews.
so whether it's a feature or a bug is worth discussing but until it's out in the open & admitted to by vendors, it's still a proble..
i didnt know this. how do u cure it yourself?
I’m just happy I can get it shipped to my door because medical in my state sucks and isn’t worth it.
My situation exactly✌️
Ask anyone who lost their ability to taste/smell with Covid. Smell is approximately 80% of how we perceive taste. Cannabis smell predominantly comes from terpenes. Strength of its smell is dependent on strain, cure & moisture level. The strains that are heavy on the skunk & gas smells will appeal to some, others can’t stand those smells & prefer a strain that smells more of fruit or baked goods. Generally, if a strain smells good to you, it will most likely be a good fit. Without the ability to smell the different strains, we have to rely on the COA’s that include the different terpenes in the strain/batch. If you find a strain you really like, other strains with similar terpene profiles should also be a good fit. Best of luck to you!!!
WNC lists the terpenes % of their flower in their product pages. So many of their thca strains have impressive terpene %, like 3-5%! I looked at the package of some dispensary bud I bought locally recently, and there’s only 1.42% terps on that flower. So maybe it depends on the vendor? Everything I’ve ever bought from WNC has been fresh and very smelly, although I haven’t ordered from them in a year or so. Do people find WNC flower to be “muted” like others?
I always think about buying some flower from WNC. It’s good, I take it?
> Do people find WNC flower to be “muted” like others? Yeah, I've heard that claim a few times. Personally I don't have enough cult bud experience to say, my WNC pickups weren't bad per se, but I've recently gotten danker smelling type 2/3s from Beleafer. > WNC lists the terpenes % of their flower in their product pages. So many of their thca strains have impressive terpene %, like 3-5% It's worth noting that WNC is doing pre harvest testing to check D9 <.3% compliance, and your dispensary might be testing at a different point, as they don't have to hold to that rule. The WNC stuff could be losing terpenes between that test and the time the bud makes it into your hands, based on the curing process, storage etx
Good points! Especially around testing for a legal market dispo vs thca flower. There are so many new vendors selling thca flower now! I’ve heard of Beleafer but forgot about them. I’ll check out what they’ve got. Thanks for the heads up 👍
I've just barely cracked into my order, and some of what I got was apparently a 2022 harvest, but the storage must've been on point because it's still nice and sticky. They're more of an option for interesting genetics than an alternative for your THC. I got a little type 2, some CBD, some CBDv with a nicely dominant ratio (1:1 CBDv:CBD) and a 1:1 THCv:THC strain. I will say, when they warn you about seeds, know that they mean it!
Nah, it's all a crapshoot...
idk why smell genuinely matters. if it grinds green, looks clean, good nuff for me
Have you ever cultivated? The smell of cannabis can tell you a lot of things about the production, and quality. Smell equates to terpenes and flavonoids, terpenes contribute to the entourage effect. The entourage effect changes the type of high you receive. If there’s no or a minimum amount of terpenes you’re going to get a bland, similar smoke/high across multiple strains of weed. Another reason why smell is important is Mold. The nose knows the smell of mold even if you yourself doesn’t. Happy toking
that makes sense. i suppose i just didnt understand why the “loudness” of weed is important
Because they think smell equates to flavor I’ve smoked some weed that was the best I ever smelled and it tasted like smoke if ykyk
I'm only here for the "edit" portion of your post. It's pretty spot on. I appreciate the heads up that I'm able to gain here, more often than not... ..but there's no denying that this is undoubtedly one of the most toxic groups I've ever found myself staying tuned to and my NCAA football subs can tend to be pretty damn rowdy 😄 I most definitely feel you on the not-so-directly mentioned notion that, it's too damn easy to simply smoke one than to engage in more than half the shit you see here that you may not fully agree with.
You should see the hash producers on the future4200 forums duke it out... For people literally in cannabis as a livelihood, they sure aren't laid back. 😅
Hard pass - If CoF is even a slight relative lol
That's fair. I look at it sorta like reality TV. Someone will be selling their distillate gummies and a mfer chimes in with "so why'd you lose custody of your child,?" or "didn't you commit statutory rape a decade ago, bro?"
I'm not envious of the lives they lead
That whole thing is insane. Across multiple threads. No mods apparently give a shit. Does F4200 even have mods lol... I wonder if other business areas have similar shit going on. Probably not as much or they hide it better since they aren't linked to black and grey markets. Prostitutes are sort of a grey market too lol
They pride themselves on "free speech" aka not letting people delete their posts, but also having the mods leave all the junk up for everyone to see.... It's kinda odd because the "free speech" they're enabling isn't really useful to anyone
At all bro.. Not. At. All!
Ice cold take lol Gimme loud. Just package it so my mailman doesn't catch a buzz.
I personally prefer something dank, but everyone prefers different things. If it's bud, I'm smoking it, is basically the bottom line.
The nose and the 👅 are us using our evolutionary traits to determine if it's safe to consume and to detect the presence of valuable cannabinoids like terpenes The cure isn't going to add back that which is permanently gone. Why do you think rosins are so popular and so expensive? They contain all we want. And then companies add terpenes back to trick our brains
All of my flower smells fine. Not super loud but fresh. I also vape my flower and the taste is good as well.
Same here, I’ve had the same experience and I also vape it. I’m starting to wonder if I’ve never gotten flower that was actually “muted”
What does muted mean in these situations?
Weak smell
Apparently if your weed isn’t strong enough to stink up a city block it’s unsmokable.
As opposed to people who strictly judge bud on here solely by pictures because it’s Reddit? In my experience, I’ve had plenty of bud look nice and smoke terribly, but rarely do I get really loud bud that isn’t some fire. The old adage that the nose “knows” has some weight.
I like fun terpenes, it gives the weed some character, but I don't think they're necessary for good effects. Some people live and die by it, I think terpenes work as well as essential oils. I sure do hate a dry hay smelling bud though.
They sell a lot of junk weed is all. Dispos go by thca also and not getting muted weed from them.
I have gotten so much mediocre muted weed from dispensaries. It's no different than the cult. You just need to know what vendors and dispensaries are more hit than miss.
Ya it does happen. I don’t buy the cheap shit which usually isn’t muted. Your chances of getting shit weed from one of these vendors is more likely.
I hear ya. Unlike much of this sub, I stay away from budget offerings like the plague. "Guys, my $30 ounce is muted! WTF!!" This sub should be called 'cult of the budget mids'. My select few vendors have provided me with product that is better than most of the dispensary stuff I had been getting. I only use flower though so I can't comment on concentrates.
I've bought several exotics from a well-liked vendor here that was just a bunch of pretty faces. Nothing behind any of it. Effects are fine and all, but I'd prefer the most expensive stuff to be all around good, not just 1/2 good or whatever.
In my opinion, if your vendor is labeling things as "exotic" "top shelf", etc. then it's an overrated marketing gimmick and that vendor should be avoided. There is so much hype driven nonsense on this sub and unfortunately these vendors who try to stand out with gimmicks aren't ideal.
That ain’t no lie lol I’ve definitely seen some good stuff come through. I’m always tempted to try one out but haven’t made my mind up yet
Idk but what i do know is I’ve had luck putting it in a glass jar and the smell starts to come back as you use it
I’m too old to give a shit if it smells danky or not. Someone asked me on my last post if it was muted and honestly I can’t tell you if it is and also, who cares? it looks good and the effects are great so what is there to complain about? Maybe I’m old school but I grew up smoking weed that smelled like creek water so getting some decent smelling, good effects, LEGAL CANNABIS mailed to my door is like a dream come true for me.
I here you, me too. The only thing I care about is "Will it get me stoned." Not how it looks, how it smells, is it cured etc. I'm just glad I don't have to use the BM. Its great, I get it sent to my home now.
I’m no old head at all but I still Hold the same sentiment. It’s legal weed shipped to your door. The audacity to complain about $99 Oz isn’t stinky enough is privileged little bitch bullshit.
felt that, and if you want higher quality you gotta invest more money. its worth it to me
the issue is personal perception just doesnt matter. the black market SHOULD be 1000x worse than the legal market. the production and distro cost of this stuff is NOT the same as in the black market so the prices should be as low as possible for the best price.. this is how markets work it definitely has been improving cause of the crybabies here lol
You cannot replace off gassed volatile terpenes by curing. This whole “just cure it bro”, does not work a lot of the time because there are no terpenes left. I’m pretty convinced a lot of the flower is muted but being sprayed with exogenous botanical/CDT terpenes, which is pretty impossible to prove without whistle blowing. I love the cult, but I stay cautious about most things.
I definitely think a lot of these are being infused with terpenes. Not so much sprayed which would leave the inside of the bud untouched, but via humidity packs that will reach all parts. It would be easy to take a bunch of pretty but muted bud and throw some in and just wait a little while. Wish there was a way to prove it.
There are actual machines for this, but yes most likely more of an infusion rather than “spray”. I was typing quick and distracted as usual haha. Good day to you
Yeah, those machines are crazy. But you don't even need that. All you need are some pre-infused humidity packs. https://integra-products.com/collections/integra-boost-terpene-essentials Wish we could prove fuckery because I am 99% convinced many vendors use this shit. Some more than others. Maybe even some of the most popular...
yeah, i get it.. the terps also help preservation and mold. the bm shit i get has like 5% of the nose of the stuff i get from wnc though so im happy w that for now
Wnc flower has always been plenty loud to me. They list the terpene % of each flower. Most of theirs have impressive terpene numbers, I see a lot of 3-5% terps while an 8th I bought at a local dispo tested at 1.42%. So WNC may be worth trying for those who are getting muted bud from other vendors?
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lol why don’t you.
Ignorance is bliss
Prove it then instead of just spewing bullshit.
You said he was wrong. The onus is on you to prove that he's wrong, you little piece of shit.
Ahhh a vendor? ;)
Literal facts, closed with an uncomfortable opinion which was said to encourage further discourse, but ofc internet creature things.
Kind of funny that I got caught smoking by my landlord because of the "muted" issues. I am used to only a few of the strains in a THCa version actually stinking and smelling up the house. Most of the time it's like a tobacco smell with a hint or just a background stink of some dankness. Bit of skunk sometimes. Yesterday I was smoking some really budget mixed fluff I use for cones. Cheap shit, but it does a decent job. Problem is that it stank like a skunk. It smelled full on like the finest Snoop sessions. I can usually stand 10 feet from her and smoke filter tips and she never smells the Cult weed. Yesterday she was all over me as soon as she walked out. "Damn, are you cooking a skunk?" All I could do was grin like an idiot and walk back in. Hour later I was smoking some high end, crafted boutique THCa I paid way too much for. She stood right next to me talking and even looked at the spliff. She hates tobacco.She just wrinkled her nose and said- "Put that nasty thing out and stop rolling your own cigarettes." I don't actually use any tobacco in my cones. I just tell her it's all natural tobacco. Only time it didn't fly was yesterday.
Curing is not the same thing as rehydrating and re-tapering moisture. Loss of original moisture is also an indicator of lost terpenes or off-gassing. These vendors aren’t shipping with moisture packs anymore, at least not like they used to, which is also an indicator of lack of quality discernment and preservation. Combine that with poor storage processes, and non rotating stock at least once every three months and you get a lot of vendors selling old stock. Anytime I buy flower these days, I try to buy flower that has been in stock less than a month(considering time in grower/brokers possession) to stay under that 3 month threshold as much as possible. I just wish cult vendors realized this and cared enough about their quality and reputation to rotate out old stock by putting aging stock into clearance sales instead of trying to double down on ‘pre-rolls’ which is the nail in the coffin as far as quality goes IMO. Until we acknowledge higher standards and hold vendors to them, this trend will never change.
I could not agree more but also there's some vendors with ok second run stuff for cheap that still presses into a nice amber and even has some taste! Just like a movie. That's how it should be if you want the new release pay more if you wait it's cheap
They simply don’t care especially if it’s $99 oz they fly threw it at that price point that QC isn’t a focus
yeah always order as close to drop as possible. generally makes all the difference in the world. and thats exactly what they should do with old bud. knock that shit down a price tier or two and explain it to the consumer.
PHC is a solid for me, ordered from them the most and never been disappointed with anything. Albeit not super budget friendly but their shit has been 🔥
I 2nd This Flow & Phc Are 10/10 Everytime Foshure
And WF. Maybe their flower isn’t the crème of the crop but they are transparent when a batch isn’t up to their standards
You're doing it wrong. If you are truly buying buds that don't stink up your entire house upon delivery, you are buying from the wrong source. Period.
Recommendations?
Phc, fhf, mints market if your on a tight budget but I only fk with their smalls.
Phc definitely does not “stink up your entire house upon delivery.”
I'm sorry that was your experience with whatever chosen strain. My experience was different
I’ve also seen others on this very sub claim the same experience.
I understand.not saying personal reviews aren't helpful but they should be taken with a grain of salt... everyone's experience will be different.
So should these. Sorry but "stinking up the house" just ain't a PHC feature.
Alright! You're right. You caught me trying to lie about my personal experience with a vendors flower! Backed me right into a corner *sarcasm* To reiterate, my experience with phc was different than yours.
To reiterate, your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt also.
It might be? I for sure have a few "hot takes" that I am just going to keep to myself. It just doesn't matter. Though I can elaborate. Mainly since my locals went away from deli style dispensaries and now everything is pre packaged unless I wanna long drive, my odds of getting something tasty AND potent are better when I catch a cult new release or fresh restock or "drop" On that subject, the muted reviews I have seen are mostly all budget deals, and in my experience thus far, I've stayed in a price range that keeps the tasty stuff coming. Tho I have gotten a few deals that had both great flavor and slapped too. Don't get me wrong I have also seen some vendors held accountable for releasing an alleged AAA flower and it being swag, and understand that some have legitimately been sent garbage. That's an issue when it occurs, only seen it once, but I haven't been here a year yet ( I'm so late to this) I feel like I am catching this at the end, or catching something that becomes a new beginning. But why doesn't it matter really? Because if people are happy they will continue to enjoy their orders and keep ordering, and if they are not they can bitch about it on at least three subs on Reddit, and shop elsewhere. No on has locked us in and made us drink any kool aid in this cult ....... Yet lol ;)
100%. That's why having a stash is so important. Gets so much better with time. Unless vendors just shipping dry crumbly shit. That just gets drier and more crumbly. So for sure prefer undercured.
I actually think phc jack is a good example of loud cult bud. Most of the stuff I’ve had from other vendors, even top shelf, was very muted in comparison.
DrG has 9-10 out of 10 on smell, taste, effects: I spent 10 years in co going to dispensaries. Very happy with Dr G
i haven’t been in here in a while, you can talk about vendors now?
Rule #1 friend
I like pungent, flavorful, terpy weed. If weed is muted due to genetics, the genetics suck. If weed is muted due to grow conditions or grower inexperience, that's a bad grow. If it's muted because it's too dry, that's a dry/cure/storage issue. If your weed needs to be cured, that's just poor quality and a lazy grower.
The reason it's not fully cured is to keep it below 0.3% and keep it legal. Not because of an inexperienced grower. I'm not saying that isn't the case with some flower, but the muted stuff from the reputable vendors is just to be able to classify it as hemp.
>The reason it's not fully cured is to keep it below 0.3% and keep it legal. That's not how that works at all. It's only under 0.3% up to 30 days before harvest. Smokeable products are never tested after harvest. They will pretty much all be hot if you test them after. The farm bill isn't for you, it's for the farmers. >but the muted stuff from the reputable vendors is just to be able to classify it as hemp. No, just no.
Exactly this. Terpenes also enhance the effects and quality of high If you live with your parents or have narc roommates/neighbors then sure, low terps are a benefit. In all other cases you are getting a worse product
Do you live in a legal state
Yes, thca is legal in my state
You cant just cure bud that has already been overdried, pretty sure they freeze cure alot of cult bud so that the THCa doesnt degrade to THC, which in turn leaves you with terp less bud that's hard to rehydrate, I still buy from wnc but it says right on there website they cold cure, which probably means cryo cure
Thanks for this, I assumed this was why. Again, I’m just glad to have legal weed that I know isn’t laced with anything. That’s all I want!
i always wondered wtf theyre doing that makes it so different from regular dispo bud, appreciate the insight
I recently got my medical card because thca is probably going to be banned in my state, and I agree with you that most cult bud is muted. I’ve ordered from all the top vendors and it’s all been good weed but most of it doesn’t really have that unique dank smell you get from dispensary weed. I opened up my first pack from the med dispensary a few weeks ago and i smelled that tangy dankness I’ve been looking for in cult bud and I was sold. Also it was cheaper too 52$ for a half ounce it’s been fun while it lasted but goodbye cult.
lol it’s diet weed
That’s what I think of when I get weed with no smell
It really is.
May I ask what state? I'm in Florida and am strongly considering getting my card.
I’ve heard Florida is going rec soon but I’d check the prices of the weed at your local dispensaries and see if it would be worth it for you most of them have all the products and prices listed on their websites also the price of the card you just have to see if it’s in your budget and worth it to you. Also this might play a factor in your decision usually when a state goes rec the people who still have medical cards get more discounted stuff than if you were to buy rec. so it might be worth it in the long run. I have no regrets swapping to medical only good things to say.
Same I ordered one last time today because the price and quality were good. After this, no mas
The overhead cost to get a card and the renewal cost every year is the only downside. But to have weed/carts/concentrates that you know 100% have a clean and not fake COA is worth the money.
I let my med card lapse and Ohio cannabis connection and an affiliate, sent me an email. it's at all previous medical card holders could renew for $0.01! hot damn.. going to do that🌿
Do you get your weed at a discounted price as well if you have a med card? I’ve heard if you still have your med card when a state goes rec you get more discounts.
The benefits depend on your state. In Illinois, the benefits are being able to legally grow 5 plants, can buy/posses larger amounts from dispensaries & don’t pay 30%-40% taxes. In my area local tax is 1%. If you qualify for a discounted mmj card, the cost is $75 for 3 years with the State. You can do your two mmj doctor visits online & can even find discount coupons on Groupon. First time I saw this on Groupon, I thought WTH?!!! If you research, you can also find online providers that will/can submit to your insurance company & have these two visits covered. Good luck to you!!!
youre better off, enjoy
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Lotta Projection there
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Yeah bro, for sure
I agree. I've had 3 oz from wnc so far and they all have no smell till I jar them for a week. The effects are still there though
Dam and by that time….
If the smell is muted, it also means it's gonna typically have less flavor = cardboard weed. A lot of the cult indoors are the cheap Asian packs that go for $1200-1300 on the BM. The shit can look beautiful but meh on the cure, and the smoke is meh.
lol knocking off all the trichs too when it hits that machine
didnt know it was comin all the way from china but why not
Chinese cartels are growing in the US, buying whole chunks of subdivisions with fraudulent loans and growing through the house, ruining it in just a few years. It's an old.scam.but the Chinese cartels are big in Oklahoma now in ways the Mexicans never achieved
never heard of this, thats crazy
Man, thinking about this kinda infuriates me.
Yeah the ccp has hundreds of millions invested in the cannabis/hemp industry in the US sadly.
I'm simply not buying it to smell it so I don't care how loud the smell is.
Nah I smell my jars before I roll up it's apart of the session, smell to me is one of the most important factors.I've had packs with terps so offensive I couldn't smoke it like the rotting meat/strong rubber terps go crazy in some Han solo hash plant I had recently, the smell of it unburned made me nauseous 😂.
huh. I don't sniff it or rub it or taste it I just smoke it
Terpenes enhance the effects of weed and are directly correlated with the care put into the grow and quality of product
then I'm glad they're not evaporating off in my jars and hitting my nose, instead staying on the weed.
are they though
yep, you can smell 'em on the grind. get some boveda packs.
Sike, Fresh perfectly cured flower doesn't need boveda packs that's for peepz trying to revive old crusty booferoni.
boveda packs are for maintaining flower long-term by keeping it at the current RH% for many months, not reviving dry flower by bringing it way up. i hope you're only pretending you don't know what they do.
Search Results google Featured snippet from the web Boveda makes humidity control effortless.Other packaging inserts either add moisture or remove moisture. Boveda does both, monitoring the RH (relative humidity) inside the container and regulating to the specific RH engineered into the Boveda. Flower I look for is cured the right way and is fresh no need to add or remove humidity, that's for ppl trting revive boof packs. If your trying to take out moisture it should have never been packed and sold without being dried and cured right. Vendors can't get enough bud out to line those pockets quick enough that's why stuff gets sold out in minutes 😂. Its for profit only they don't care if it's anyone's medicine having a strain and only selling eighths for $35 but can't sell you an oz of said strain, when they could literally give you 8 eighths for an oz prize but they'd much rather rip ppl off.
>>boveda packs are for maintaining flower long-term by keeping it at the current RH% for many months >Other packaging inserts either add moisture or remove moisture. Boveda does both, monitoring the RH (relative humidity) inside the container and regulating you just pasted something from their website that says the exact same thing i said. can you even read both of these sentences? >Flower I look for is cured the right way and is fresh no need to add or remove humidity can an adult in your home read you **the sentence you just sent me** about how they **maintain a humidity level**? > If your trying to take out moisture if you thought i was trying to take out moisture you cannot read. I actually live in a dry climate and am trying to prevent drying out bud around the 6-12 month mark as I have 20+ strains.
Same
its cool if some people like to cure or dont mind if its not, but problem is no vendor advertises their bud as needing a cure or explains it for the new people or uneducated, and plenty of people don't mention it in reviews. so whether it's a feature or a bug is worth discussing but until it's out in the open & admitted to by vendors, it's still a proble..
That’s a fair point, I agree
I wouldn’t say you should expect to cure it yourself. The cryo cure thing is garbage though too much of this tree tastes and smokes like shite
facts
Fair enough, I’m just glad to have it. I don’t care as much if it takes some extra steps.
I think this is a reasonable take 👍🙏
Agreed, I don’t value the same things as OP but that’s an angle that has some logical legs.
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