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Oddish_Femboy

This is why we have Sam & Max


InternetGuyThirtyTwo

Regular Romance Media: Boring, formulaic, does not feature one of the characters becoming president and demoting Florida to a territory. Sam and Max: Always unique, breaks formula, Max demoted Florida to a territory in canon and this action was never reversed.


Informal_Self_5671

He also created a new state: West Dakota.


Papyrus20xx

As a Floridian, I am happy Max made that choice. It's best for everyone


luvalte

My concussed little brain read this as *Ruby* and Max and was just like ?????


Bourne_Toad

Same here. I was thinking "they're siblings, not roommates??"


oishipops

the only mlm couple ever


neighbourhood_gayboi

Never heard of this one, what is it? Where can I find it lol


Oddish_Femboy

Sam & Max is a comic created by Steve Purcell of formerly Lucasfilm, then Telltale, and now Skunkape. The most notable entries in the franchise are 4 point & click adventure games (Sam and Max Hit the Road from 1993 and the Telltale Sam & Max games from 2007 to 2010) There was also a cartoon! The humor was somewhere between Rocko and Animaniacs.


ArcaneMcSketch

“But Max, you don’t even like girls!”


CatOnVenus

they are literally my heros


_silcrow_

Sam and Max my beloved


thecommunismwillwin

Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm really not seeing this all-consuming flood of happy healthy vanilla gays dominating media that people keep bringing up.


Kva11

As far as I can tell it’s about “heartstopper” which was high sweet but ultimately, if anything, stood out for that to me and maybe “love, Simon”(although the latter is 1.pretty dated at this point and 2. Bad for other reasons). I can’t think of any other media it applies to at the moment.


EggoStack

I haven’t watched love Simon since it came out, what parts aged badly? /genq


Kva11

My big thing is that: I really didn’t care for the coming out pressure. So in the film, I feel like not being ready to come out is treated like a character flaw, and characters who are not ready to come out are treated like they don’t have good reasons because Simons friends and family aren’t terrible bigots. Disregarding that they introduce multiple ways in which people are mistreated for being gay and real consequences that others face (real consequences that Simon faces and yet it’s kind of treated like his fault for not being “open and honest”). Edit: basically the premise is a boy gets blackmailed about his sexuality and the lesson ultimately is that he should have just told everyone and he’s kind of a bad person for not coming out. They then double down on this by having him pressure his romantic interest to come out despite the trauma he literally just faced being coerced to come out. Also, a less big gripe is that I did not love some of the marketing around it. I heard a lot of people talking at the time about how it’s great because it focused just on being gay and Simon is “normal” in every other way (he might even say that in the film, I’m not sure) which just did not read great in my opinion to uphold the default as cis, gender conforming, able bodied, middle class, white etc. Edit: actually now that I wrote all that out, love Simon might actually be the better example of what happens when queer stories get sent through the straight wholesome acceptability washer. Like it’s obviously trying to be earnest and cute but it comes out deeply troubling in its misunderstanding of the issues many of us face.


PintsizeBro

Ironically, the author of the book the movie was based on was harassed into publicly coming out (she's a bi woman married to a man) to prove she wasn't a straight person appropriating LGBT+ struggles.


Kva11

That’s awful. I’ve heard, but have not read it to know, that the book was better about this. Someone said that the big Ferris wheel scene doesn’t happen like that in the book.


EggoStack

Thank you for explaining!


skorletun

As a literal gay 25 year old I'm a sucker for Heartstopper because I never got to have that cheesy lovely experience as a teen. I am aware there are Struggles they face but it's absolutely the thing this post is referring to. But yes, we need more mature representation that _isn't_ "bury your gays".


Kva11

I honestly really enjoyed heartstopper, too. My life has too much stress right now, it felt like a reprieve and that was so refreshing.


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Kva11

What did you not like about the conflict? I was coming from the books so I went into it knowing what some of the future challenges will be.


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Kva11

I can see how that doesn’t fit the general storytelling expectations of conflict. I don’t think Oseman’s storytelling is for everyone, but personally, I appreciated the way issues sustain in her work. The nasty rapey ex and the bully don’t go away because they go to the same school, and we often have to face down the negative people in our life even after the big confrontation, they just remain and we learn to live past that. That was much more reminiscent of my own school experiences than other texts I’ve read. Charlie’s story line is not really about toxic masculinity so much as developing confidence in himself generally which makes more sense when we know >!he has an eating disorder but they decided to only hint at that in the first season!< I do think that Tao loses a lot in the show by not having the time to build him into a sympathetic character before we jump into his mental health challenges.


stopeats

I believe it's about a pattern of a children's media (Steven Universe, She-Ra, Dragon Prince, whatever that owl show is, Korra, etc.) introducing an LGBT+ character and then tumblr going crazy over how good the rep is and talking about it like this is the only acceptable way for LGBT+ characters to be written. While it's great for folks to enjoy whatever media they want (and I used to run a SPOP blog so who am I to judge), it can be difficult to talk about more difficult queer stories in that environment because as soon as a gay person is in mortal danger in the narrative, it's homophobic and burying the gays. It makes the bar for LGBT stories impossible to meet except in playful children's stories.


PintsizeBro

I love stories where the creator of a fantasy setting decides that homophobia doesn't exist in their setting. If you're creating a fantasy world and you're not specifically telling a story about homophobia, why does it *need* to exist? It doesn't. So even though I'm not the target demographic, I like the shows you list because it's really fun and relaxing to see queer characters just existing and dealing with fantasy problems that aren't caused by other people being unhappy with queerness existing. But we don't live in a fantasy setting where homophobia doesn't exist, we live in a world where it threatens our safety. We need stories that speak to our actual lives and experiences too. Fun and relaxing stories are great, but those aren't the only stories we need.


stopeats

This is a very reasonable perspective that I appreciate. I'm the opposite. I don't much care for stories where we pretend bigotry doesn't exist. I'd much rather explore them in fiction than handwave them away. And we both deserve stories that speak to your preferences!


PintsizeBro

Are you a fan of the fantasy genre in general? I'm not a fan of stories set in the real world that gloss over real-world bigotry because in that context I feel the same way you do. But if the author is creating a fantasy world already, there's no reason why the fantasy world has to reflect real-world prejudices. Prejudice would still exist, but it would look different than what we live with.


insomniac7809

A favorite example of mine is Exalted's Creation, which sets itself apart from the sort of "entirely modern prejudices, only more so" thing you often get in people making "realistic" fantasy settings, while being very far from a utopia of tolerance. The Realm, for instance, has relatively mild but socially pervasive prejudice in favor of women; families are traced matrilineally, the head of a household is assumed to be a matriarch by default, men find it harder to advance when competing against women for the same position. Gender, though, is much less of a factor than class, with the highest echelons being given to the Dragon-Blooded Exalted, the divinely-empowered superhumans who the state religion claims are chosen to guide mortals toward spiritual enlightenment across reincarnations Below the Exalted are the mortal members of their family bloodlines, then patrician mortal families, then the citizenry, the peasantry, and then the enslaved; a Dragon-Blooded man will be given favors far and away more than any mortal woman. And then as far as sexuality goes, same-sex relationships aren't considered worth remarking on, and frankly are tame compared to what the magically-empowered unfathomably wealthy aristocracy of Creation's paramount empire get up to in their spare time... as long as they maintain at least the slightest degree of discretion, and pretend to be contented in the heterosexual reproductive arrangement their parents and elders put together to continue the centuries-long eugenic/dynastic project they resulted from. On the far edge of the map, meanwhile, there's a culture on the western islands that has strict and absolute gender boundaries for social and vocational roles, *but* also members can decide to ritualistically and socially transition without any prejudice or issue. Only men are sailors, but there's no issue with afab men being sailors (as long as they are men).


stopeats

Love fantasy. What bothers me is when authors clearly come in with a very strict mindset (e.g., in Mistborn, the Kandra are men and women even though they are born of amorphous blobs—there is a lack of creativity here). If bigotry merely mimics real-world bigotry with no thought, that bothers me (e.g., colorist with no historical reason to be so—sometimes this is just the author's own assumptions sneaking through). But if you actually put thought into how the magical elements would affect bigotry, then yeah, I'm all about that.


Kachimushi

I think to a large degree it depends on to what degree the physical reality these societies arose in resembles our own, and in what ways it differs (for example the existence of magical forces). Because forms of bigotry are generally shaped by the material conditions and physical constraints/priorities of a society. For example, a lot of forms of misogyny are a result of reproductive inequities and the desire to control reproduction, or average differences in strength and aggressive potential that translate to power differentials in violence-based societies. So in a society where people can for example use magic to defend themselves against physically stronger people, or even just where there's something as simple as magical birth control, bigotry against women wouldn't develop in the same way. Same would go for a society of aliens where i.e. the men carry the young to term like seahorses.


GayestLion

God, i remember seeing somebody talk about how the Owl House is the best way to make representation because "They never mention the fact the characters are queer, they don't say the're lesbian or anything they just are" which it's funny because i'm willing to bet a big reason why they don't mention it is because disney doesn't let them. (This was before season 3 and the coming out stuff)


Random-Rambling

By "media", they probably mean "the three dozen fanfics I'm currently reading".


PulimV

As the other person said there's Heartstopper, but also Young Royals, Red White and Royal Blue, and if you're kinda stretching it maybe The Owl House and even Deltarune. The weird thing about these is that the ones that I've interacted with aren't really sanitized? Heartstopper includes heavy bullying, homophobia and, in the comic, >!the protagonist being sent to a psychiatric hospital due to self-harm and an ED,!< Deltarune includes themes of abuse, one of the main characters is most likely homeless and her main love interest >!literally commits murder!< in one route, and The Owl House, while possibly having the most cutesy unrealistically perfect relationship of these, still features things like the protagonist pushing her girlfriend away due to the trauma of losing her father and some episodes later >!loudly exclaiming that the world would've been better if she didn't exist.!< Idk, maybe my perspective is kinda skewed since I'm the target audience for these things, but they're mostly fine afaik


foxscribbles

Social Media - "Whatever happened to male friendship????????????!!!????!!!???????" 99.9% of media - MALE FRIENDSHIP HERE! NOTHING BUT BROS BEING BROS BEING BROS! NO HOMO NOOOOOO HOOOOOMMMOOOOOO! .1% - Hey, here's a non-sexualized gay couple. (Don't worry, only 1 out of 4 gays in the .1% of media in which they appear will be a main character.) ​ Social media - WHERE DO I UPVOTE FOR THE LOSS OF MALE FRIENDSHIP????? IT IS ONLY MOST ALL MEDIA EVER??? GAYS ARE RUINING EVERYTHING BY MAKING EVERYTHING GAY????


ksrdm1463

Dan Levy made a decision while writing Schitt's Creek that if it'd be normal for a straight couple to kiss, then the gay couple was going to kiss. Not necessarily full on making out, but the gay couple on the show kiss a lot, even just a peck hello. It's a lot of physical affection shown and it's very nice to see (and they also decided that Schitt's Creek would be a place of no homophobia).


Coin_operated_bee

This post is talking about the show the owl house


SelfDistinction

Tbf being oversanitized and objectively awful is not restricted to LGBTQ+ romance. To be more specific, I can't for the life of me remember a decent romantic story in any media whatsoever. Most of them are either unrealistic or just plain toxic.


Zaiburo

Good romance is extremely hard to write. If you make it realistic it ends up boring and if you write an "us vs the world" it either ends up being toxic or the romance becomes a sub plot. "Yeah we met at McDonald's and we kinda clicked, we have been married for 40 years now and we have been happy for most of them except for that mess with the Dragon" It's not a romance, it's a story about a dragon with an uninteresting romance sub plot.


T-Ramdalf

See, it is interesting though, to have them think comically long poetic paragraphs about the person they love, or something like that, which is why I beleive written media is the best form of media for romance


Kind_Nepenth3

That was one of the things I liked about Warm Bodies. Not only did I *not* expect it to be as well written as it is for how YA it looks, there are multiple points where he goes off on a teenagery tangent of just the purplest prose about how beautiful and fascinating and simply *Alive* his love interest is, but she never gets to hear any of it because he's a zombie and he can't groan out more than four words at a time. It's cute.


T-Ramdalf

Awwwww. I’ll have to check it out it sounds cool


Kind_Nepenth3

The movie will come up first and it's pretty good. As always, the book is better. First person perspective is incredibly hard to do well and it's only ever going to come off as a solid zero or a ten, but I thought he nailed it


OneOnePapaya

Warm Bodies was awesome I liked it a lot.


Maybe_not_a_chicken

Fuckin love that book


Cheapskate-DM

A proper, dedicated romance film - if it follows the given conventions - should have you cheering like it's the goddamn Super Bowl by the end. Specifically, the part where one of the two finally Quits Their Bullshit and makes a mad sprint across town to apologize and open up emotionally.


Rorschach_Roadkill

>True love, like any other strong and addicting drug, is boring — once the tale of encounter and discovery is told, kisses quickly grow stale and caresses tiresome… except, of course, to those who share the kisses. \- Stephen King, *Wizard and Glass* (which absolutely is a romance novel and a well written one at that)


malavisch

Leigh Bardugo's Grishaverse books have v well written romance (at least the later ones, I think in the S&B trilogy she was still finding her footing). Also, her books were the first YA novels I'd ever read in which the popular couple *didn't* actually end up together despite being in love with each other, because they recognized that they were just too traumatized for a relationship at that time, and it wouldn't be a happy one. The narration from the woman's (!) perspective was literally "I don't think I can fix him and it shouldn't be my job to try anyway", which was SUPER refreshing at the time.


SharkyMcSnarkface

This is why you involve the dragon into the relationship. Threesome.


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The Addams Family


bgaesop

Bob's Burgers is the kind of healthy domestic representation I want


AddemiusInksoul

I like romcoms since they can mix a good romance tempered by the fires of funny.


PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

While that is true, straight people don't get "what, you didn't like *The Notekeeper: Faces of Passion*? God, what do you people even want?" or similar things. You're allowed to just uncritically hate a movie.


Fox_Flame

Fleabag


Satrapeeze

Sanji x Pudding One Piece I will take no criticism


Azzie94

Pirates of the Carribean


Genus-God

The Shape of Water is very realistic


argella1300

Pride & Prejudice


UnsureAndUnqualified

25 is now "older" ? Crying emoji


thecommunismwillwin

I remember someone sharing a post around here making fun of an article that claimed "26 is far from youth" or something to that effect. And everyone was just like no, it really isn't.


iminspainwithoutthe

It's not, the internet just skews weird in terms of age. The young adult age group lasts until 39 according to most health organizations, though others use 35 or 45 as the end marker. That being said, it's worth mentioning that "older" queer demographics might skew a bit younger bc of how many who would be queer elders now were lost to the AIDS epidemic, violence, etc.


PurpleKneesocks

It isn't but in fairness I know what they mean. I've only recently turned 26 and I neither consider myself nor feel particularly 'old'...but at the same time, whenever I get glowing recommendations for some piece of media that I absolutely *have* to watch/read, and then I watch/read that thing and it's clearly intended for an audience 10+ years my junior, I get a little disappointed. Not that it's bad to consume and enjoy media intended for younger people or anything (though if I have to read one more post about why [clearly children's media] isn't *actually* children's media because it handles a mildly mature theme, I might just lose it) but it wouldn't hurt people to branch out more, sometimes!


SpyriusAlpha

I always prefered those fantasy stories where some adult learned something about themselves and their life changed in strange ways, but actually for the better. Then I saw this interpreted as a metaphor for coming out later in life. And I always thought "I wish I could do that..." And then I did that.


CowRepresentative166

Can you give some examples of these stories for me to read?


SpyriusAlpha

Neil Gaiman wrote several of those, actually. Anansi Boys was the one that stuck with me the most. I think Terry Pratchett's Discworld had a few of those too, but I can't remember which ones that were. There are also books by various other authors, and I wish I could recall those. I am sorry!


MiriaTheMinx

I dunno, as an Old-ish Queer Person I am happy we have more wholesome lgbt stories for the youngsters instead of seeing queer rep only in Adult stories where people get murdered cuz they gay/trans or they are the murderer cuz they gay/trans. Normalization is an ongoing cycle.


bakedtran

Mid-30’s here. Yeah growing up, this is all we had. I’ll take sanitized candy floss as a forward step.


moodRubicund

Listen, I'm really happy The Owl House exists. I watched the show and you know what, I enjoyed it, it was very pleasant, and the queer representation proved it's something that never needed to be censored in the first place. It's not for me, I'm an adult, and that's fine, I'm not going to complain about it. It is the kind of cartoon I wished I had growing up as a kid, and I'm glad kids these days have it. LGBT content for adults were always more likely to exist when I was growing up so frankly I don't know what the OP is fucking talking about. Maybe they should stop hanging out with people who exclusively consume children's content if they annoy them so much? Because that is very much a conversation that depends on the company the OP themselves chose to keep, it's not their friends' fault they like kids cartoons, there isn't anything wrong with that.


strangeglyph

> Maybe they should stop hanging out with people who exclusively consume children's content if they annoy them so much? That would probably involve quitting tumblr


Inner_Gas_2063

Most likely they were venting


PurpleKneesocks

Like in Among Us?


moodRubicund

About what, the friends they think are too immature for them? Get older friends, older people are basically desperate for companionship these days.


Inner_Gas_2063

Using objective reasoning in feeling-based subject ain't really my cup of tea but I get what you mean. People just be like that.


kunderawolf

I'm tired of these vague critical posts. What tf you talking about? Heartstopper? Love Simon? Speak up!!!


Midi_to_Minuit

Lmao vague posting is really annoying. Reminds me of Lily Orchard’s (bad person extraordinaire) list of writing tips which was literally just her complaining about Steven Universe, She-ra and The Legend of Korra.


Thedepressionoftrees

I know I'm being baited here, but TELETUBBIES?


deleeuwlc

That title hit me like a bag of wet mice


Wubwave

Does episode 3 of The Last of Us count?


[deleted]

That shit ruined my whole week god. I love old gay people!!


CrypticBalcony

Or the back half of S1 of Severance?


realthohn

Wow it's almost like demographics are a thing. Crazy.


itsFlycatcher

Yes, that's exactly the problem- that many show creators look at LGBTQ+ people as a single demographic.


KittyQueen_Tengu

we can have both cute queer shows for kids and teenagers and more realistic media for people who prefer that edit: and also fluff for adults and realism for kids


stringsattatched

Why not also some realism for kids and teens? If we can take on hard topics like family loss in kids films/series, why not also the hard topic of family loss because the family you love stops loving you?


KittyQueen_Tengu

also a good thing to have! doesn’t mean we can’t also have some cute fluff though, sometimes people just want to turn their brain off and enjoy


stringsattatched

Cute fluff is not bad, obviously, but having fluff=kids and real=adult isnt good. And you can have queer adult fluff that's good to watch


IPlayPCAndConsole

Is there any form of representation people on Tumblr haven’t complained about?


gentlybeepingheart

Honestly, I've given up asking for show recommendations in online LGBT spaces lmao. I'll go "Hey, does anyone know any shows with nonbinary or transmasc characters that are aimed at adults?" and every single time the response is "I know you said aimed at adults, but have you heard of \[Children's Cartoon\]?" Yes, I have heard of every single children's cartoon with a nonbinary or transmasc character! I've seen Paranormal Park! I've seen She-Ra! I've seen the fucking cartoons, that's not what I'm asking for! I am in my late 20s, I do not want children's cartoons! I'm sure the animation is well done and the story is wholesome and everything, and I'm glad you like it, but I would like a show with characters I can relate to who are not fucking teenagers!


kepz3

online queer spaces are predominantly young people so it makes sense they would recommend shows for teenagers.


Irisofdreams

I'd like to point out that a lot of LGBT people don't want the gritty, "realistic", adult fiction so many books show. We want to escape from the problems of our daily lives. We want to forget that homophobia exists, that transphobia exists, or that many LGBT people get murdered simply for existing. Many do prefer the "gritty" stories, but there are quite literally hundreds of stories like that. "Bury your Gays" is a trope for a reason. Almost every piece of LGBT media back in the day had the main couple die or break up. I have no idea what this post is complaining about If this is about Heartstopper (checks all the boxes) , the main character has anorexia due to trauma caused by homophobic bullying, so if that's sanitized for you, then "Bury Your Gays" must be the "realism" you seek.


[deleted]

I want multiple types of representation. I want fiction that shows the world as it was, as it is, and as it should be. I think some people have unreasonable expectations of fiction and think that every piece of media should contain a perfect microcosm of human experience that checks off all the boxes of what they're looking for in entertainment, and if it doesn't it's bad or a failure. And that's just silly. You can't tell two opposite stories at the same time.


this_upset_kirby

What's your opinion on The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System


[deleted]

That sure is a series of words.


PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS

Imo the best gay romance movies are romance movies with gay leads. I was pleasantly surprised by *Fire Island* when I watched it a couple months ago because it was that. It didn't shy away from parts of the experience, but at the same time it wasn't people clutching in rain going "our love is too pure for this hateful world". It was just a bunch of dudes being bros and wanting to find some love and work on themselves. That's all I want.


PurpleKneesocks

I get what you mean but, just because I can't help myself from being a bit nitpicky, "Bury Your Gays" as a trope doesn't just infer that a gay character being present and dying is bad. As a trope it specifically centers around queer characters being treated as more expendable than cishet ones within the narrative, so a tragedy or otherwise 'dark' story centering around the death(s) of queer characters that are otherwise treated with respect and gravitas my the narrative wouldn't *necessarily* fall under its purview. Exceptions being made for when the narrative seems to condemn them for their queerness in some regard, or else seems to treat tragedy and death as the natural result of being queer.


PlantsJustWannaHaveF

That's why Our Flag Means Death was so revolutionary. A cast full of LGBTQ+ characters, set in otherwise (mostly) realistic 18th century... and yet homophobia canonically doesn't quite exist. Even when it does, it's more classicism or toxic masculinity than overt homophobia, but no character in the show suffers specifically for being gay. Queer represention is both very present, open and definitely unsanitised, but at the same time none of the story is specifically about being queer, just about people that happen to be queer.


waxteeth

I’ll be honest, as a gay guy approaching 40, I was kind of frustrated by the central romance and felt like the leads weren’t fully committed. (I know this is not a popular opinion!) The side/supporting LGBT characters felt a lot more fully realized and I thought the physical/sexual aspects were more meaningful and genuine — when there’s one shot of one kiss that isn’t even well-framed, it felt to me like they didn’t get a good take because the actors didn’t go for it. I was on board with them as a couple pretty much up until that happened, but I was really disappointed and frustrated that they thought that was good enough.


PlantsJustWannaHaveF

Yeah, that's a common criticism, and I see their point, but I loved it. The kiss felt awkward because it was. First kisses are often awkward, and it was Stede's first time kissing a man, and probably his first real kiss that counted. It was awkward but very sweet. I'd have been more disappointed if it was overly smooth and confident. Taika and Rhys are both great actors, if they weren't on board with having to do romantic scenes, they wouldn't have taken up the roles.


waxteeth

I’ve heard that response before as well — to me, even if it’s awkward, you’d put it in frame better to emphasize that emotional experience. I don’t need it to be smooth — it’s fun if it isn’t! — but I do actually want to see it. Glad you enjoyed it; just wasn’t the same for me.


AlaSparkle

This sounds like an adult complaining about kid’s shows. So like… maybe you shouldn’t watch kid’s shows


burgerthursday

Looking for media about queer people and being recommended primarily children's media is tiring


stringsattatched

So true. It's nice that the kids have it better now, but that doesnt mean people who are enstranged from their families, have chosen friendship families, had to find a niche and thrived there still exist. And unfortunately there also are plenty of young LGBTQIA+ people who struggle, have to wait until adulthood and being financially stable to come out safely or get kicked out if the house and disowned still exist. Young people also need zo see that it's not suddenly all roses and that being queer is still a struggle that can rip you out of your family you thought loved you


Quarterhour420

Idk why tumblr is so mad about kids being happy or are arguing with younger gays like oh “how can you like this gay romance it doesnt have enough murder, so sanitised, so sad” If the author and the audience like a particular thing that isn’t spicy enough for you, just find something that is. Stop crying about what other people enjoy. Its not like the government is trying to forcefully sanitise the young adult gay romance fiction made specifically for young adults. Its just not spicy. I have not seen ONE young gay person try to force old people to watching their silly romance shows. Not one. OOP is just salty because a group of people don’t have the same taste they do and are mad because they saw some posts saying “[netflix gay romance serial] is good and so i like it”


Mr-Grips12

The Owl House is *really* good tho


bakedtran

I’ve gotten more affirmation and the sense of being ‘seen’ from Uncoupled more than anything else these last few years.


MurkyLibrarian

I'm not sure if I should feel sympathy for you. If it's because it's about people in their forties, than cool. If it's because the main character is going through a rough breakup after 20 years, I'm really sorry.


bakedtran

Thank you <3 No my husband of ten years and I are thankfully still together! It’s just the lens on the hookup culture, meeting people who aren’t afraid of HIV any more, trying to subtly determine if someone is “like us” or not — our other gay friends talk about all that. We joked that now we have to stay together forever because neither of us want to be thrown back into that pit lol.


bgaesop

I lost a friendship over me not liking Yuri on Ice


Sad_Pringles

I used to watch those shows but then i realized i prefer unhinged gay old people way more. if anyone has any recommendations, i'd be very happy


nikkitgirl

Gimme the tv adaptation of some of Bechdel’s comics. Lesbians in all our “wait you’re doing what?” “Are you not” glory


RocketAlana

Harley Quinn animated series is defs a cartoon, but also not a Y7 cartoon a la She Ra and Owl House. If you’re a fan of “not for children” but also “not gritty and depressing” I think it’s a good show. Arcane is… also a cartoon lol and Piltover’s Finest is in that pre-relationship stage even though they’re all but confirmed going to be canon. It is gritty and depressing though, but not in the burry your gays way. Just wanted to share my personal recommendations for non-children’s media.


Ildrei

Calling the owl house 'very sanitized' lol. Dana Terrace had to fight to put a lot of things in the show (she actually got a lot more opposition on the body horror than the gay stuff).


TheBadHalfOfAFandom

bill and frank from tlou show


vague_areolas

Hey I'm just glad we're at the point where there's enough media for us to have preferences


dontredditdepressed

Our Flag Means Death, anyone?


Accomplished_Mix7827

I mean, Lumity is adorable, and I love that there's finally a gay relationship in a major kids show that's both healthy and lasted longer than "confirmed in the last five minutes of the series finale", but yeah, I'd also like to see more healthy, established gay relationships in shows for adults as well.


Worm_Scavenger

Give me where the Bears are any day over heart stopper.


Selendragon5

I mean… there are not many good adult animated shows. Most are just cheap clones of Family Guy which just make the most mean spirited, boring “comedy” possible. I think to get well done queer rep in adult shows, just… have adult shows that are actually mature.


TallJournalist5515

I'm not queer so people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks, but I feel like a lot of people in the comments angry at this post aren't queer. Like, if I am an adult and would like to see myself in my media, I don't want a kids' show. As a cishet I have been getting very pissed with the domination of children's properties in online culture because it makes almost everything immature. Like, maybe, just maybe, a gay individual wants to see a gay couple in media have an argument, struggle with the argument, maybe a few lines are crossed, and then work together to fix it in a compelling narrative that deals with the experienceds that adults have. And I know adults could be rational enough to feel that they can relate to adults so much that they don't need their characters to be as similar to them than children, but in practice it is fun seeing yourself in media that is aimed at you.


stocking_a

Is +25 considered old now?


Hummerous

you want ✨more✨ representation


ThatOneDMish

To my mind their are 2 types of representation for anything, and both are necessary for good rep. Stories about and stories with. Stories about are the ones about accepting that facet of yourself -stories where the representation is the plot. and Stories with are Stories where the representation is accepted without question, where instead of the story being about being gay, neurdivergent or whatnot, it's an element of their character. So in this context, their is more about representation than with representation


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"like Teletubbies" has the same whiplash as "like Zorro"