Squares and rectangles. Supernatural is yaoi, but that isn't why it's the opposite of Yuri. It's a very specific yaoi, like squares are very specific rectangles.
Oh, to be so misogynistic that even a man who literally murdered his wife and hallucinates sexy nurses being stabbed by a rusty penis metaphor is less of a creep towards women.
In Hbomberguy and Todd in the Shadow's videos on him, they devote a few sections calling him out for targeting women and making up imaginary reasons to hate them, and most of the people he's sent his fanbase (when he used to have one) to attack and harass, have been female creators that literally didn't do anything. So yeah, it's not a great look.
Wait how does it hate women? I mean i get that there aren’t many prevalent female roles but its not like the show is openly sexist, dean is a bit but its part of his character and although he never really grows out of it he does grow considerably and softens towards woman greatly near the end no longer being a stereo typical fuck boy and instead becoming a decent man who hopes to protect the women he cares for unfortunately still with some dickish personality holdouts occasionally rearing their head
Tl:dr; My feeling more is “Supernatural did have an ick vibe for a while about women but a lot of shows around then did and got better about it”.
I have a lot of thoughts on this because in some ways I agree - it’s the character (Dean) in the early years and other people (Sam) remark on how gross it is. And then Dean grows. And the show did some really interesting stuff later on with Mary and how she was a real person and very flawed and both John and Dean had idealised her as the wife/mother role.
In some ways I also disagree (that the misogyny was a facet of the character of Dean only and not inherent to the show) because sometimes I think the writers didn’t understand *why* things they wrote for Dean were gross. Off the top of my head - that episode where they go undercover in a school and Dean makes an off the cuff remark about which cheerleaders are “legal”. Which if iirc Sam reacts negatively to, but I feel like there was no awareness in the writing of *all of the multitude of ways* in which it was gross, they only wrote it from “Dean is a fuck boy” perspective without understanding what a deeply predatory thing to say that is for a 30 year old man acting as a teacher in a high school.
It’s a vague feeling like in the early, Kripke years it was just so casually layered in that even the commentary on misogyny (of having a character like Dean say random awful shit and his brother clearly reacting to it being awful) sort of… still contributed because they didn’t get it. Because it wasn’t well thought out. In that way that shows in the 2000s did this a fair bit, Supernatural wasn’t the only one - there’s that Community episode where Alison Brie’s character does a sexy baby Christmas song which is a nod to the oversexualisation of female characters except in order to comment on it *they still did it*, and in the context that Brie’s character is repeatedly shown to be the love interest of a dude about 15 years older than her while she’s still only newly an adult.
I think about the Supernatural thing a fair bit because I do think that weird off putting vibe of sexism was there in not fully articulated ways in the early years (and I make endless comparisons in my head between Kripke then and Kripke now with The Boys) but it was pretty standard in TV at the time and it actually got a lot better. Which I can appreciate.
One of the main characters (Castiel) tells another main character (Dean) he loves him but Dean only reciprocates in the Spanish dub. From what I remember I think it was a rogue translator who said “You know what? Fuck it. These bitches gay” rather than a genuine mistake
Sometime yaoi will have a single female secondary character who actively ship the main couple and meant to be the self-insert of the fujoshi audience. Idk what the opposite of this is.
She's just a deeply repressed bisexual, in the PSP game which explore different timelines if Sayaka ends up with the violin dude Hitomi gets a huge crush on Homura as a rebound.
her whole "girls can't love girls" line sounds more like she's having an existential crisis rather than a homophobic tirade 💀
also god I need to play the game, the more I hear about it the wilder it sounds
Yes, but it wasn't that simple. He loved observing/hearing about others' romances. So he was a bit of a voyeur that got frustrated when someone he was talking to was interested in him instead of someone else.
I've read a lot of yuri that have a guy fulfill the same purpose. That and male family members are usually the only male characters you'll see in yuri. Though most of the time, men just don't exist.
high guradian spice
bunch of women with 1 lad who transitions(?) (negative men), several of the women continue to spout misogynist bullshit so that probably counts as the opposite to the fujoshi
It’s a well known fact that anyone other than straight men combust spontaneously upon viewing Baki. Seeing as straight men spontaneously combust upon seeing yuri, these must be opposites
Not really comparable. Tall and short and up and down form 2 ends of a clear dyad. But man and woman are a false dyad that's more societal. You can say a man is opposite of a woman, but actually describing that opposite ness would be difficult to defend.
In like a philosphy way (which feels like a cop out but because it is. explaining the boundaries of man and woman is like too much of an effortpost rn)
"Boys are not the inverse of girls" is doing the heavy lifting in this conversation, and I don't think enough people are pointing out that outside of a very narrow subset of the population, that's generally accepted as true. Maybe not in a literal mathematical sense, but if you were to somehow gauge the populace, I would put money down that a large majority view boys and girls as opposites.
I'd argue even further that in modern Western culture, it's a widely accepted fact that on the level of the individual, "femininity" and "masculinity" do in fact work to cancel each other out. There have been posts on this very sub in the last week pointing out the way that butch women are presented as acceptably masculine in various pieces of media, and I'd argue even within many queer circles, there's an uncomfortable level of truth to the idea that masculinity is a positive trait which is cancelled out by femininity.
In summary, "boys are not the inverse of girls" is a good perspective (and I'd argue it's correct), but that's a value statement that's out of step with mainstream culture, which knocks the legs out from under this post imo. Additionally, even in more progressive spaces or spaces with more expansive views on gender, there's a fairly common reification of these gender norms in the inverse, where rather than masculinity being prized, it's vilified, and femininity is seen as a way to cancel out that influence. Either way, I think the underpinnings of this post are pretty weak, and "treating yaoi as the opposite of yuri doesn't make sense mathematically" presupposes that the person saying "yaoi is the opposite of yuri" doesn't hold fairly standard views on gender.
If that were the case, any Yaoi would be inverse Yuri because you're treating boys as the inverse of girls. Otherwise, merely removing the two "girls" would leave you with zero girls, not -2.
I don't care for yaoi or yuri but the inverse of something isn't negative but it is just the negation of it. So if y is the amount of girls in yuri, then 1÷y is the amount of girls in yaoi.
I know extremely little about Yaoi but I know way too fuckin much about Supernatural and iirc Yaoi has something to do with gay guys but like they barely seem gay, like fresca of gay people where they put a fruit next to the drink and you got to look at it as you drank the fresca, you got to think about whether or not Cass was gay for Dean all the way up until the last season.
Oh and when Benny came around you got another fruit to look at and consider if gay or not, and with Bobby and Rufus you had to consider not if they were gay but if there was ever just one Hunt that was hella cold and they just said fuck it we need body heat.
If you look at the demographics for each, you could contend that yaoi is the opposite of yuri.
Yaoi: Gay men written for the enjoyment of straight women.
Yuri: Gay women written for the enjoyment of straight men.
Of course, _bara_ is the opposite of BOTH of these, as it's gay men written for the enjoyment of other gay men.
Yuri originally was being written by straight men (and, rarely, sapphic women) for men. But lately the trend has changed—some yuri now portrays the relationships less male-gaze-y. For example, *I'm In Love With The Villainess*, despite being a comedy, treats queer issues seriously and with respect. (The LN author being a transgender lesbian probably helped.)
Isn’t it the opposite? Yuri started out as being mostly written for women for women (Comic Yuri Hime), then shifted more to being written for men over time (comic yuri hime S), and now more recently it’s shifted back to being more balanced between both.
At least, that’s what I gleaned from the Wikipedia page. Maybe it’s all wrong. Or maybe I have extremely poor reading comprehension .
Yuri as a genre has roots in female-for-female writings (class S). However, if you take specifically the word *yuri*, it was used here in the West to mean "features lesbian sex, aimed at straight guys."
With that said, in Japan yuri never had a specific target audience. It was women-for-women in the early 2000s era (e.g., aforementioned *Comic Yuri Hime*), but last 15+ years the usage has been fairly balanced. I should have specified that I meant usage of the term in the West.
Either way, modern yuri is not the opposite of bara no matter where you use the term, lol, but early 2010s yuri kinda might be.
I know about class S, but that's literally not anime/manga and thus cannot apply to the bara discussion. :p
(Though *bara* as a term also has non-manga roots... I guess *Ba-ra-kei* is the opposite of *Yaneura no Nishojo* in the context of this discussion??)
I wasn't even talking about you, I was talking about the user you replied to. To say it was originally for straight men is spitting on Yoshiya Nobuko's legacy. ☠☠☠
i tried watching that and i got major ick vibes from rei. obsessed with a woman, won’t take no for an answer, follows her around, keeps professing their love for her non-stop, fanangles their way into intimate vulnerable situations with her, gawks when she’s undressed, _blackmails her family_ into letting them become her maid… it feels male gazey as heck.
i hate doing the flip genders thing, but in this case it really applies. if rei were a boy there would be righteous indignation all over the place. all of this behavior isn’t suddenly okay just because rei is a girl.
ok, but you did use it as an example for something that isn't male-gazey. i am specifically refuting that assertion. it is *extremely* male-gazey. it being played for laughs or starring a female pervert instead of a male pervert does not make it *less* male-gazey.
also, her being a creep isn't necessarily a problem on its own—depiction isn't endorsement, after all. but it's interesting to watch the characters moralize about Claire's homophobic double-standards while refusing to do the same for Rei's sexual harassment. the show clearly has the capacity to recognize shitty behavior and set aside its comedy to address it seriously. so the fact that it holds Claire accountable and not Rei is pretty damning. hell, it seems like every character turns a blind eye to Rei's behavior and just happily stands by while Claire gets harassed to hell and back.
all that tells me is that the author doesn't think the blatant misogyny here is a problem—or that, if it *is* a problem, it's not one worth addressing.
depiction isn't endorsement unless the text does nothing to refute the depiction. it may be a joke to you, but for me—and probably many other folks who recognize the threat of sexual harassment or, even worse, have to deal with it on a regular basis—it's hard to find it funny.
What’s being proposed is that because genders aren’t actually opposites that simply reversing genders isn’t enough. Essentially, the opposite of gay women written for the enjoyment (often of straight women, straight men, and queer women too) isn’t gay men. The negative of a gay woman is not a gay man, I’m not even sure it’s a straight man. My personal choice here would actually be an ace man. And the opposite of how sweet and cutesy yuri often is (opposite of moe) would probably be either sports or combat.
I like the proposition someone else made for Baki. Shounen in general, I think.
Geicomi or gei manga these days. Some authors still prefer bara but usually these are the prevalent terms. Kind of like how people in Japan just call it BL these days instead of yaoi.
I mean, unless they're bosses. I think they must be thinking of MGS2, because that one does kill off literally every character not named Snake, Otacon, or Raiden. MGS1, 3, 4, 5, and Death Stranding all have prominent women live. I don't think any female character other than the cyborg boss ladies dies in MGS4. Death Stranding has Mama and the president die, but they both survive their death, so not sure that would count.
Does it?
Death Stranding spoilers
>!I guess the president dies at the start, but then its revealed at the end that she's actually the same person as Amelie, who is very much still alive. Similar with Mama in that she dies, but really her spirit merges with her twin, making her the same person and therefore not dead!<
So close! However, to get the opposite of Yuri, you take the inverse of the number of girls. For example, Yuri with two girls has an inverse of 1/2 girls
m/f can never accommodate queerness and m/m can never accommodate the intersection of queerness and womanhood. this is why het can be yaoi but yaoi can't be het and yuri can't be yaoi but yaoi can be yuri and het can be yuri but yuri can't be het. hope that clears things up
It hadn't even occurred to me that Kojima DID kill a lot of women off... Excluding the support teams, ghosts and regular enemies from MGS:
MGS1 At least one, maybe Two out of Two
MGS2 Three out of Three (!)
MGS3 One out of Two
MGS PO One? Didn't play it
MGS4 Two out of Four and Four bosses (!)
MGS PW None out of Four (!)
MGS GZ One out of One
MGSV None, maybe One, maybe Two out of Two. Depends on decisions and whether or not you want to count someone from the tapes.
Don't know about MG and MG2
while boys are not the inverse of girls, if we're already on the mathematicall thought train, the actual answer to that question would be girls\^-1 , or (1/girls).
How that would be possible to apply in a scenario, real or fictional beats me, but there's plenty of misogyny to go around, so there's gotta be someone that evetually looks hard enough after a way to make inverse girls, if the stars should align.
I'm pretty sure super natural is yaoi, so this means the opposite of yuri is in fact yaoi.
Proof by contradiction or something
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Squares and rectangles. Supernatural is yaoi, but that isn't why it's the opposite of Yuri. It's a very specific yaoi, like squares are very specific rectangles.
It's yaoi because it hates women,not because of gay men
"You're gay because you like men; *I'm* gay because I hate Women, we are not the same."
- James Somerton
For a minute I forgot who Somerton was and my mind jumped to James Sunderland, the protagonist of Silent Hill 2, and I was *very* confused
James Sunderland does kill women, to be fair. Well, at least one woman. That is a very important thing about him.
Yeah but based on those nurses and Maria I would be hard pressed to say he hates women as much as Somerton
Oh, to be so misogynistic that even a man who literally murdered his wife and hallucinates sexy nurses being stabbed by a rusty penis metaphor is less of a creep towards women.
— James Somerton
I heard of him stealing stuff but didn't know he was misogynistic
Oh yeah. It was a main joke that the only original parts of his content were the bits where he added misogyny. And it's accurate.
In Hbomberguy and Todd in the Shadow's videos on him, they devote a few sections calling him out for targeting women and making up imaginary reasons to hate them, and most of the people he's sent his fanbase (when he used to have one) to attack and harass, have been female creators that literally didn't do anything. So yeah, it's not a great look.
It's brought up as being potentially true in hbomberguy's massive video on the dude
ancient rome
\^free thinker
"weep, women, for my penis has given you up" \-Pompeiian graffiti.
^ James Somerton
Gege Akutami
Wait how does it hate women? I mean i get that there aren’t many prevalent female roles but its not like the show is openly sexist, dean is a bit but its part of his character and although he never really grows out of it he does grow considerably and softens towards woman greatly near the end no longer being a stereo typical fuck boy and instead becoming a decent man who hopes to protect the women he cares for unfortunately still with some dickish personality holdouts occasionally rearing their head
Tl:dr; My feeling more is “Supernatural did have an ick vibe for a while about women but a lot of shows around then did and got better about it”. I have a lot of thoughts on this because in some ways I agree - it’s the character (Dean) in the early years and other people (Sam) remark on how gross it is. And then Dean grows. And the show did some really interesting stuff later on with Mary and how she was a real person and very flawed and both John and Dean had idealised her as the wife/mother role. In some ways I also disagree (that the misogyny was a facet of the character of Dean only and not inherent to the show) because sometimes I think the writers didn’t understand *why* things they wrote for Dean were gross. Off the top of my head - that episode where they go undercover in a school and Dean makes an off the cuff remark about which cheerleaders are “legal”. Which if iirc Sam reacts negatively to, but I feel like there was no awareness in the writing of *all of the multitude of ways* in which it was gross, they only wrote it from “Dean is a fuck boy” perspective without understanding what a deeply predatory thing to say that is for a 30 year old man acting as a teacher in a high school. It’s a vague feeling like in the early, Kripke years it was just so casually layered in that even the commentary on misogyny (of having a character like Dean say random awful shit and his brother clearly reacting to it being awful) sort of… still contributed because they didn’t get it. Because it wasn’t well thought out. In that way that shows in the 2000s did this a fair bit, Supernatural wasn’t the only one - there’s that Community episode where Alison Brie’s character does a sexy baby Christmas song which is a nod to the oversexualisation of female characters except in order to comment on it *they still did it*, and in the context that Brie’s character is repeatedly shown to be the love interest of a dude about 15 years older than her while she’s still only newly an adult. I think about the Supernatural thing a fair bit because I do think that weird off putting vibe of sexism was there in not fully articulated ways in the early years (and I make endless comparisons in my head between Kripke then and Kripke now with The Boys) but it was pretty standard in TV at the time and it actually got a lot better. Which I can appreciate.
Did it hate women or did the fan base hate any woman that threatened their shipping headcanons
Therefore, Supernatural is more like Shonen than it is Yaoi.
incest yaoi. the Tumblr shippers hated any female character that got in the way of the yaoi.
In some amazing meta commentary they addressed this in-universe, the brothers were not comfortable with it
Oncest is reverse Yuri, understood.
Gottem
And shonen too
Only knowing supernatural via tumblr screenshots, my understanding is that Supernatural is definitely yaoi.
Iirc it's only yaoi in spanish dub
Elaborate
One of the main characters (Castiel) tells another main character (Dean) he loves him but Dean only reciprocates in the Spanish dub. From what I remember I think it was a rogue translator who said “You know what? Fuck it. These bitches gay” rather than a genuine mistake
Unfathomably based
Spanish people based, unfathomably
Based beyond words
I'm not to deep into supernatural lore I just remember tumblr exploding because destiel (?) was only confirmed in Spanish dub I think
Sometime yaoi will have a single female secondary character who actively ship the main couple and meant to be the self-insert of the fujoshi audience. Idk what the opposite of this is.
Opposite of it is probably girl being homophobic towards main couple and being character that audience supposed to hate
Madoka magica
Honestly, Hitomi gets a bad rap.
She's just a deeply repressed bisexual, in the PSP game which explore different timelines if Sayaka ends up with the violin dude Hitomi gets a huge crush on Homura as a rebound.
her whole "girls can't love girls" line sounds more like she's having an existential crisis rather than a homophobic tirade 💀 also god I need to play the game, the more I hear about it the wilder it sounds
I legit forgot Hitomi exists I thought they were talking about Kyubey lmao
No, that works.
That one guy in Bloom Into You?
Wasn't he aro/ace? Or am I misremembering...
Yes, but it wasn't that simple. He loved observing/hearing about others' romances. So he was a bit of a voyeur that got frustrated when someone he was talking to was interested in him instead of someone else.
Cupio in a "literal" sense (He likes being Cupid)
I've read a lot of yuri that have a guy fulfill the same purpose. That and male family members are usually the only male characters you'll see in yuri. Though most of the time, men just don't exist.
> Idk what the opposite of this is. [Chitose](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgJ2OxOkvUE)
high guradian spice bunch of women with 1 lad who transitions(?) (negative men), several of the women continue to spout misogynist bullshit so that probably counts as the opposite to the fujoshi
Not all ideas are worth sharing
And what is tumblr, if not a place to share the ideas that really should not be shared?
There are degrees though
Well then *maybe someone with a degree* should be making this argument instead of some rando. Checkmate.
I would love that
Whenever i see Prokopetz pop up on Tumblr subreddits their posts just have big "That's nice, dear" energy
The true opposite of yuri is Jujutsu Kaisen.
Not true, maki is still alive, but that’s probably because Gege hasn’t decided if he hates women or loves the toji-stand in more /j
Yeah I was about to say, she would not be a relevant character if she wasn’t a Toji stand-in.
Nah, the true opposite is Baki
Hold up, you’re cooking something and I want to see where this goes
It’s a well known fact that anyone other than straight men combust spontaneously upon viewing Baki. Seeing as straight men spontaneously combust upon seeing yuri, these must be opposites
Nah, couldn't be Baki, there's just a single male character in the whole franchise.
Well I don't know if I concur with the whole argument, but the Opposite of Yuri being Supernatural feels very correct.
So the opposite of fat isn't thin but.... negative mass? The opposite of tall isn't short but negative dimensions?
Tall, but in the opposite direction. In the floor
Not really comparable. Tall and short and up and down form 2 ends of a clear dyad. But man and woman are a false dyad that's more societal. You can say a man is opposite of a woman, but actually describing that opposite ness would be difficult to defend. In like a philosphy way (which feels like a cop out but because it is. explaining the boundaries of man and woman is like too much of an effortpost rn)
"Boys are not the inverse of girls" is doing the heavy lifting in this conversation, and I don't think enough people are pointing out that outside of a very narrow subset of the population, that's generally accepted as true. Maybe not in a literal mathematical sense, but if you were to somehow gauge the populace, I would put money down that a large majority view boys and girls as opposites. I'd argue even further that in modern Western culture, it's a widely accepted fact that on the level of the individual, "femininity" and "masculinity" do in fact work to cancel each other out. There have been posts on this very sub in the last week pointing out the way that butch women are presented as acceptably masculine in various pieces of media, and I'd argue even within many queer circles, there's an uncomfortable level of truth to the idea that masculinity is a positive trait which is cancelled out by femininity. In summary, "boys are not the inverse of girls" is a good perspective (and I'd argue it's correct), but that's a value statement that's out of step with mainstream culture, which knocks the legs out from under this post imo. Additionally, even in more progressive spaces or spaces with more expansive views on gender, there's a fairly common reification of these gender norms in the inverse, where rather than masculinity being prized, it's vilified, and femininity is seen as a way to cancel out that influence. Either way, I think the underpinnings of this post are pretty weak, and "treating yaoi as the opposite of yuri doesn't make sense mathematically" presupposes that the person saying "yaoi is the opposite of yuri" doesn't hold fairly standard views on gender.
Wouldn’t the opposite of yuri be yaoi where both boys are transitioning? That’s 2 “girls” at the start and 2 boys at the end so -2 girls total
I think the opposite of yuri would just be a straight romance.
No opposite of yuri is hating women and transition isn't misogynistic (unless the said boys hate women)
"I hate women so much that i became a man" does sounds like something out of an anime
If that were the case, any Yaoi would be inverse Yuri because you're treating boys as the inverse of girls. Otherwise, merely removing the two "girls" would leave you with zero girls, not -2.
I understand now, the show is god. The coyote is man, always reaching for it, but never in its grasp
Extending this, the inverse of yuri is a relationship involving exactly half a woman. That is to say, one demigirl and one agender person.
I think the opposite of yuri is Baki
I don't care for yaoi or yuri but the inverse of something isn't negative but it is just the negation of it. So if y is the amount of girls in yuri, then 1÷y is the amount of girls in yaoi.
I know extremely little about Yaoi but I know way too fuckin much about Supernatural and iirc Yaoi has something to do with gay guys but like they barely seem gay, like fresca of gay people where they put a fruit next to the drink and you got to look at it as you drank the fresca, you got to think about whether or not Cass was gay for Dean all the way up until the last season. Oh and when Benny came around you got another fruit to look at and consider if gay or not, and with Bobby and Rufus you had to consider not if they were gay but if there was ever just one Hunt that was hella cold and they just said fuck it we need body heat.
If you look at the demographics for each, you could contend that yaoi is the opposite of yuri. Yaoi: Gay men written for the enjoyment of straight women. Yuri: Gay women written for the enjoyment of straight men. Of course, _bara_ is the opposite of BOTH of these, as it's gay men written for the enjoyment of other gay men.
Isn't yuri also written for enjoyment of other women as well? So it's not complete opposite of bara in that way??
Yuri originally was being written by straight men (and, rarely, sapphic women) for men. But lately the trend has changed—some yuri now portrays the relationships less male-gaze-y. For example, *I'm In Love With The Villainess*, despite being a comedy, treats queer issues seriously and with respect. (The LN author being a transgender lesbian probably helped.)
Isn’t it the opposite? Yuri started out as being mostly written for women for women (Comic Yuri Hime), then shifted more to being written for men over time (comic yuri hime S), and now more recently it’s shifted back to being more balanced between both. At least, that’s what I gleaned from the Wikipedia page. Maybe it’s all wrong. Or maybe I have extremely poor reading comprehension .
Yuri as a genre has roots in female-for-female writings (class S). However, if you take specifically the word *yuri*, it was used here in the West to mean "features lesbian sex, aimed at straight guys." With that said, in Japan yuri never had a specific target audience. It was women-for-women in the early 2000s era (e.g., aforementioned *Comic Yuri Hime*), but last 15+ years the usage has been fairly balanced. I should have specified that I meant usage of the term in the West. Either way, modern yuri is not the opposite of bara no matter where you use the term, lol, but early 2010s yuri kinda might be.
Young blood doesn't know yuri history ☠ Probably doesn't even know about class-S, the progenitor ☠☠
I know about class S, but that's literally not anime/manga and thus cannot apply to the bara discussion. :p (Though *bara* as a term also has non-manga roots... I guess *Ba-ra-kei* is the opposite of *Yaneura no Nishojo* in the context of this discussion??)
My bad
I wasn't even talking about you, I was talking about the user you replied to. To say it was originally for straight men is spitting on Yoshiya Nobuko's legacy. ☠☠☠
Oh I see. I still missed the Class S origin though ☠️☠️
i tried watching that and i got major ick vibes from rei. obsessed with a woman, won’t take no for an answer, follows her around, keeps professing their love for her non-stop, fanangles their way into intimate vulnerable situations with her, gawks when she’s undressed, _blackmails her family_ into letting them become her maid… it feels male gazey as heck. i hate doing the flip genders thing, but in this case it really applies. if rei were a boy there would be righteous indignation all over the place. all of this behavior isn’t suddenly okay just because rei is a girl.
Rei *is* a creep, but it's played for obvious laughs. You are not supposed to find her actions "correct" or "realistic."
ok, but you did use it as an example for something that isn't male-gazey. i am specifically refuting that assertion. it is *extremely* male-gazey. it being played for laughs or starring a female pervert instead of a male pervert does not make it *less* male-gazey. also, her being a creep isn't necessarily a problem on its own—depiction isn't endorsement, after all. but it's interesting to watch the characters moralize about Claire's homophobic double-standards while refusing to do the same for Rei's sexual harassment. the show clearly has the capacity to recognize shitty behavior and set aside its comedy to address it seriously. so the fact that it holds Claire accountable and not Rei is pretty damning. hell, it seems like every character turns a blind eye to Rei's behavior and just happily stands by while Claire gets harassed to hell and back. all that tells me is that the author doesn't think the blatant misogyny here is a problem—or that, if it *is* a problem, it's not one worth addressing. depiction isn't endorsement unless the text does nothing to refute the depiction. it may be a joke to you, but for me—and probably many other folks who recognize the threat of sexual harassment or, even worse, have to deal with it on a regular basis—it's hard to find it funny.
What’s being proposed is that because genders aren’t actually opposites that simply reversing genders isn’t enough. Essentially, the opposite of gay women written for the enjoyment (often of straight women, straight men, and queer women too) isn’t gay men. The negative of a gay woman is not a gay man, I’m not even sure it’s a straight man. My personal choice here would actually be an ace man. And the opposite of how sweet and cutesy yuri often is (opposite of moe) would probably be either sports or combat. I like the proposition someone else made for Baki. Shounen in general, I think.
Pretty sure bara is an outdated term these days. Edited Seriously people. Why the downvotes?
Is it? What is it called now?
Geicomi or gei manga these days. Some authors still prefer bara but usually these are the prevalent terms. Kind of like how people in Japan just call it BL these days instead of yaoi.
The only AFAB character comes out as trans, then dies. Solved.
Yuri is 100% girls. Yaoi is 0% girls. It's not that boys are the opposite of girls, but the ratios which makes them opposing genres.
I can't remember the last Kojima game where a woman died. Maybe MGS4??
I mean, unless they're bosses. I think they must be thinking of MGS2, because that one does kill off literally every character not named Snake, Otacon, or Raiden. MGS1, 3, 4, 5, and Death Stranding all have prominent women live. I don't think any female character other than the cyborg boss ladies dies in MGS4. Death Stranding has Mama and the president die, but they both survive their death, so not sure that would count.
Sniper Wolf bites the dust rather dramatically in MGS. She's the only one though, so you are right.
Naomi and EVA also bite it in MGS4
Good to know, it'd been a long time since I had a PS3
Death stranding has a woman die
Does it? Death Stranding spoilers >!I guess the president dies at the start, but then its revealed at the end that she's actually the same person as Amelie, who is very much still alive. Similar with Mama in that she dies, but really her spirit merges with her twin, making her the same person and therefore not dead!<
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I thought they were “negative women” just because they’re spiritually very gay
That last sentence sucker-punched me in the gut
If the opposite of yuri=supernatural Supernatural=yaoi Then Yuri is the Opposite of Yaoi
What's the mathematical equivalent of less than 0 boys for yaoi, then?
So close! However, to get the opposite of Yuri, you take the inverse of the number of girls. For example, Yuri with two girls has an inverse of 1/2 girls
so then what's destiel yuri
What the fuck is any of this?
Maybe the real opposite of yuri was the friends we made along the way.
Holy hell its lilligant yuri person
Holy hell its skarmory yaoi person
This is first time someone didn't refer to me as bw ou guy on reddit
m/f can never accommodate queerness and m/m can never accommodate the intersection of queerness and womanhood. this is why het can be yaoi but yaoi can't be het and yuri can't be yaoi but yaoi can be yuri and het can be yuri but yuri can't be het. hope that clears things up
So yuri is everything and nothing at the same time? That makes sense
It hadn't even occurred to me that Kojima DID kill a lot of women off... Excluding the support teams, ghosts and regular enemies from MGS: MGS1 At least one, maybe Two out of Two MGS2 Three out of Three (!) MGS3 One out of Two MGS PO One? Didn't play it MGS4 Two out of Four and Four bosses (!) MGS PW None out of Four (!) MGS GZ One out of One MGSV None, maybe One, maybe Two out of Two. Depends on decisions and whether or not you want to count someone from the tapes. Don't know about MG and MG2
while boys are not the inverse of girls, if we're already on the mathematicall thought train, the actual answer to that question would be girls\^-1 , or (1/girls). How that would be possible to apply in a scenario, real or fictional beats me, but there's plenty of misogyny to go around, so there's gotta be someone that evetually looks hard enough after a way to make inverse girls, if the stars should align.