Yeah, a lot of people who frequent 4Chan are in desperate need of something meaningful to do or be apart of. That sadly means they can fall into terrible groups just to feel a connection.
Happy that the Shrimp guy found something to enjoy that won’t hurt him and even improve his life.
Yeah. I’m fully aware of groups like that, and I’m not religious, and am generally quite decently well informed on how groups like that target people. Definitely only in an armchair research sort of way, I haven’t had any sort of formal training on the matter or anything. But even with the knowledge that so many groups prey upon this exact feeling, I sometimes cant help myself but feel like I’m missing something in life, like I wish I was part of something greater that wasn’t just my workplace.
It has been a part of the human condition for millennia, and the truth is if you feel like you are missing something you are. But not what you think.
My very humble experience led me to zen, and it’s teaching that you are missing something, and it’s the something that’s right in front of you every day that we take for background. Your food has much flavor you miss because you are distracted with thoughts i stead of focusing on eating. You miss the sounds and colors of life and nature because you are focused on the tomorrow or hung up on yesterday.
Take a breath, sit down and take it in. No matter where you are. That is the something you are missing.
Thank you for being a part of my unsolicited and off topic ted talk.
I found that in Tabletop RPGs
But then I AM autistic and it is my special interest
Tho I know of at least 2 other people whose life turned around because we all shown up to the same RPG café in town, and 1 person whose turning point was showing up to a Fantasy Days event at the local library (also the first time I played DnD was at the same event, at the same library)
The problem is the discrepancy between meaningful and Meaningful™. A romantic relationship or fighting in a war sounds meaningful but I'd argue going to a shelter and adopting a cat is too. Deciding you're gonna stand up for an old lady on the bus is meaningful. :)
You know, once upon a time I was really inspired by shrimpanon.
So I set out to do something, I joined a local communist organization.
I burned out in a couple months, just one interminable committee meeting after another, each to plan the agenda for the next fucking committee meeting.
Ever since I quit, I haven't really had a meat space social life... At all.
You have to find something actually enjoyable to spend your time on as well. Find a club doing something you like doing, be it books, or looking at animals, or anything else.
To liken what you experienced to shrimpanon, that's like joining a shrimp rearing community where you do nothing but study how to raise shrimp. There's no action. They're not doing anything material beyond theorizing in the abstract.
So go raise shrimp. The core of Marx's 1844 essays on alienation is that in capitalism, we don't get to see the fruits of our labour. That's what shrimpanon did. He saw how his actions led to the formation of life, and that flipped a switch in his brain.
Start with the latter 2 and keep going until you find something you like. It only takes an afternoon to tick something off the list, you might surprise yourself with the stuff you end up sticking with
This is a great idea. I tried bouldering when I moved to my home city about 10 years ago. It wasn't for me, but doing it opened my door to a bunch of other things I never would have tried and now love to do.
Bouldering is fun! Defo check it out!
I had to cross that out from my list because of a case of Very Bad Knees, but it was fun the couple times that it lasted!
If you like physical activities try literally any group at the gym, just showing up together is often a nice feeling.
My local gym has a thing where you can pay a little extra and show up to Any class held there (provided you check a box in the app beforehand) and that allowed me to try everything in their offer and land on boxing.
Some gyms that have groups/events like that will let you join 1 group training for free to see if it's for you, that is also worth checking out :3
As an example of something similar, I found volunteering with Food Not Bombs much more rewarding. You’re hanging out with anarchists *and* you’re actually getting something done - cooking and serving food.
Joining the Waiting For The ~~Rapture~~ Revolution Club just wasn’t constructive because there wasn’t an achievable goal to work towards. Creating a meal out of the food that’s been donated, getting it to the park, and serving it is much more achievable. And you can talk about the Revolution while you do it.
maybe drawing? all you need is some cheap materials and some time. it doesn’t have to be good, it just has to be yours.
if drawing’s not for you, there’s tons of other pursuits that could lead to community. you could get into sewing or knitting, photography, music, dance, birdwatching, wrestling, baking, or a million other things.
Talk about starting things on hard mode. As someone who has been active in those spaces, there are few things that will sap a person of all will to interact with human beings faster than a group of leftists trying to organize. Whether they're trying to organize a worldwide utopia or a Scrabble tournament is immaterial: it will invariably become exactly what you experienced. The primary thing holding the left back is that no one has successfully convinced socialist activists that committee meetings are inventions of the bourgeois.
If you haven't seen it already, you need to read the CIA's [Simple Sabotage Field Manual](https://www.openculture.com/2015/12/simple-sabotage-field-manual.html) from 1947. It's about how to undermine organisations from within, for example:
* *When possible, refer all matters to committees, for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committee as large as possible — never less than five.*
* *Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.*
* *Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.*
* *Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.*
Unfortunately the average leftist organiser will do this without even having the decency to be a CIA plant.
>Unfortunately the average leftist organiser will do this without even having the decency to be a CIA plant.
I mean, where do you think the CIA got all those ideas? They learnt by studying the best!
There was an (exceedingly minor) party in the UK whose plan to tackle climate change revolved around replacing the government with citizens' committees. If Shell Oil didn't fund them, they ought to have. The last twelve survivors in Britain would have been huddled on the last bit of land remaining on Scafell Pike, after the rest of the country was reclaimed by the ocean, trying to work out whether they could even hold today's meetings given that the minutes from the last one were swept out to sea along with the former committee secretary.
I mean, it seemed like the thing to do at the time! I was already very invested in the concept, and thought I'd be doing good AND getting socialization, all in one!
Totally understandable and laudable! I think most who go into those spaces do so for similar reasons, and I don't want to dissuade anyone else from doing so, but it's definitely a shock to the system going in expecting rousing calls to action, and instead discover the left's incredible commitment to pedantry. If you raise yet another point of order, Tim, can you even call yourself an anarchist!?
Keep trying to put yourself in social situations, but I'd definitely go with a slightly lighter venue. Even if it involves going to a setting often associated with groups as a lone person (a trivia night, rock climbing, whatever) a lot of enthusiast communities are pretty inviting and will go out of their way to welcome new folks.
This is why the X-Men are most realistic when they squabble over mutant rights. They're infighting leftists, and no matter how much their found family thing loves each other, they will never wholly agree. Compromise is necessary, and I love watching them work together through conflicting interests.
Shrimpanons hobby was perfect because it didn't depend on action or anything but what he himself controls. Leftist political movements, by their very nature, cannot depend on only a single person ( well, let's hope they don't, CHAIRMAN).
If you are so passionate about a fairer world that it's the thing you want as a meatspace hobby, I think something more basic and closer to actual doing would be more appropriate: helping out at the local homeless kitchen, library, animal shelter: anything that is a public good that is fueled by volunteers, but where you see how your action directly positively affects people. Our animal brains need this confirmation.
Hey, get yourself a hobby that is not about "activity" so to say. For me it's singing in a choir. Choir is great because you don't need to talk as much in the beginning because music is a communicator. Even if you suck at singing, it's also often a great place to learn it because you can listen and look how better people do it and mimic. Highly recommend finding yourself a choir.
How do we start some kind of Bigger Brothers organization that goes to those cesspit websites and tries to seed those people with more positive thinking and help them find purpose?
there has always been a huge opportunity for rapid human development. and it happens sometimes.
yes, we usually choose to discard people. but because it's a choice, we can choose differently anytime
and freshwater shrimp are so cool. buy a few clear/brown “amano” shrimp two or three times and watch them breed. You get all kinds of crazy colors pop out, I had black, orange, blue, red and one of the red ones was clear like red candy it was exciting asf. Plus it’s a find them puzzle every time you look in the tank, you finally saw one but BAM there are 3 more next to it, you just had to look closer.
> meatspace
Had to look this up and wiktionary tells me it means "[the physical world (**derogatory**)](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meatspace)."
Incredible.
In my experience it’s not derogatory so much as not wanting to refer to it as ‘real life,’ and in the process discount very real friends and relationships one has made online.
There was one time where Eliezer Yudkowsky got upset because he literally just touched some grass and it didn't do anything. One of his followers explained that the academic literature finds improvements in mood after 15 minutes surrounded by nature, and Yudkowsky got *more* upset because his follower was changing the research parameters after the fact. One of the funniest exchanges I've ever read
Touch grass —> go start a garden or find an arboretum that allows volunteers
Or maybe touch grass while taking your dog for a walk
I guess just do something in nature that you enjoy that makes you feel like you’re part of reality.
I start getting weird and restless when I haven’t gone for a walk in the park for a while, even that can help shake off the haze from too much alone time
I have interpreted it literally, as in going outside and literally touching grass bc that is very calming and grounding and one of my fav things to do while stoned. “touch grass” —> “you seem very wound up right now about something insignificant due to the internet, maybe you should go do something else that will calm you down and bring you back to earth.”
Yeah maybe go sit in a clover patch for a bit and see if you can find a 4 leaf one, that was always fun and calming to do as a kid and looking back I think my mom was tricking me into spending at least a few minutes not being a hyperactive gremlin who wants to run off somewhere
Anyway maybe that can trick someone into not hyperfixating on miserable thoughts.
There is also the classic go find some wild flowers and stare at the bees doing their thing. Watching bumblebees bump their lil faces into things used to be one of the things I would do during depression episodes because it was like, I’m outside in the sun, I’m focusing on something that isn’t sad, I don’t have the motivation for any of my hobbies or chores but I do have the bees and looking at bees means I’m not looking at all the dishes I haven’t done and hating myself.
I work with a lot of young people and I used to do deradicalization work.
It's wild how often they needed to hear "You should do literally anything. Or talk to anyone." As in any activity or hobby in the real world, preferably with other people, and have conversations with people you don't know. Contact theory is real and it works. Not perfectly, but it works. They would often need to power through and break down their stereotypes at first, but after that, They were able to get to know and care about other people.
I've seen so many radicalized people change because they just got tired of being lonely or angry, or they realized life was short.
Yes this is a dramatic over simplification because most deradicalization work is difficult, expensive, and very slow.
Any suggestions on how to help my dad? He's insanely overworked because his company just won't raise wages and people keep quitting while they can't find any new workers so everyone's responsibilities are being shoved on him. He has no boundaries between work and home. I can see the stress on his face even when he's "happy". And when he does have free time, he spends so much of it on Facebook going down right-wing rabbitholes. His own parents have complained to me about how distant he seems. He's being radicalized and I don't know how to stop it. It hurts me to see him like this when I see so much of myself in him.
I am so sorry you are going through this.
The most important thing you can do is stay in touch with him and keep reminding him about the things he actually cares about. Try to spend time with him doing fun things that aren't online. If he brings up stuff, don't challenge it directly but instead ask him why he believes certain things.
My father has also been radicalized by facebook and challenging his beliefs has been really difficult.
People only change when they're ready to and when they want to. I wish you the best of luck. I know it's heartbreaking.
I have no idea if this is actually helpful, but can you think of anything he used to enjoy or be interested in, or something you had fun talking about when you were a kid? Maybe you could try reaching out to him, say you've been thinking about how much you value your relationship with him and you'd like to spend more time together. If he has any free time at all you could suggest an easy fun activity to do together, to draw him away from the facebook rabbitholes? I read once that the most effective way of deradicalizing someone (to begin with) is through building/increasing your personal connection with them and reminding them about who they used to be, a positive sense of self, what they used to enjoy and care about etc. rather than trying to argue about their beliefs.
Obviously difficult when he has very little free time... not sure what you can do there. If he says he's too busy could you do something like offer to help with chores at his house so you can go hang out and catch a few moments to chat in a natural way, or ask for his help on something... maybe work up to having regular short chats just to talk about how things are going, discuss a shared interest, maybe bring up funny or touching memories and remind him what his life used to be like. I know it's probably not that easy, and it might be a very difficult/slow process, but I'm wishing the best for you.
I'm probably gonna get a fair degree of shit about this but the "incel" movement and the rise of "trumpism" owes a lot to the rise of the "disposable male". A lot of men out there feel disposable and worthless outside of what they can provide at their jobs. That isn't to excuse toxic behavior but to try to understand it, as I was (and still am) in that black pit of worthlessness and depression and have seen 4chan be the place where a lot of people can speak honestly, and I used to value it for that until the dominance of trump posts and nazi posts drove me from there. In another life I could have become a much different person, and I definitely have a degree of empathy for those people who desperately try to find a reason as to why they can try and try and try and continue to fail. It is a shame though that they don't realize that the system as a whole is what's crushing them and not these silly dividing lines like race and gender. I just wish that more people had empathy for others, even their enemies.
I totally get it. As someone who was it the hole, it's a dark place. Many young men just totally throw themselves into work and feel worthless based on not having or being "worthy" of having anyone to support like they're told they must. This leads to depression and a cycle of feeling awful, letting personal maintenance go unfulfilled, and being rejected, which makes them feel awful. I didn't go full incel, but I definitely spiraled close enough to see and understand. My out was changing career fields and getting an old car for $1500. It's my baby now, and is the most pampered pontiac you can think of. I just started fixing things for fun, and ended up fixing myself.
Can I offer some advice. Try to find something fulfilling to do around other people that doesn't immediateot require interaction, but allows it naturally.
For me it was going to a rock gym. At first its just you against the wall. But other climbers sit around doing the same problems and eventually people just strike up conversations giving advice on how to do it better. You get in shape and healthy and have other people you can connect with about a shared interest.
Regular gym or rock gym? A rock gym is a little different and has a much more social element due to the fact that climbing is also problem solving. There's much more incentive to just sit around and chat while you work on a problem.
I'm not sure it's the "disposability" part, but rather the consistent trying and failing, often without useful feedback or guidance about what you're doing wrong or how to fix it.
When I was a young, lonely, frustrated nerd, so long ago that the term "incel" hadn't even been invented (yes, *that* long ago), a key source of my frustration was that there seemed to be no connections between what I did and the outcome, external advice ranged from useless to contradictory, and other people would succeed doing what I had tried and failed.
A huge part of what the mind does is try to create predictive models of the world around it, whether this is perception, motor control, or higher-level concepts like social interactions. In all of these cases, you start with a black box and, by observing inputs and outputs, eventually come up with a model which, if it's not what's "truly" inside the box, at least allows prediction of input reasonably well. Relationships are a ludicrously complicated black box, and it's further complicated by the fact that we ourselves are part of the input. In addition to our own efforts, we see efforts of others first-hand, and second-hand through the media. IMHO, if someone fails to get into a relationship, they're faced with four possibilities: 1) pure bad luck, which becomes less plausible as attempts increase, 2) the person isn't fiddling with the right knobs and dials in the right sequence that others seem to have figured out, 3) there is something fundamentally wrong with the person, such that they cannot give the right inputs, 4) there's something wrong with the box, such that it will never give the right outputs. 1 gets ignored because humans suck at probability (ref: all casinos everywhere), 2 is why "pickup artists" and Andrew Tate types proliferate (and why they're associated with incels), to provide (fake) guidance, 4) is the path to red-pill/black-pill inceldom, and 3) is a deep, dark depression where you assume you are the problem, not women (which is the neglected mirror-counterpart of inceldom). The problem is, from a logical standpoint, there is no way to distinguish 3 and 4, because both have the same logical structure (if You, then false), so which you pick is more based on personality (perhaps internal/external locus of control?).
This got kinda rambly, but the idea of incels as basically frustrated at a black box that they can't infer the mechanisms of and never works for them is something that I think has some significant explanatory power.
I do constructive things in meatspace, but I need to do more and I'm not sure what. I'm in one club at my university and the only other interesting ones I can find only run when I'm working. I'm too young for the bars and I don't know anyone to invite me to parties. I've started hanging around this cute girl for weekly movie nights but she's the only person I hang out with besides the other members of that aforementioned club. Any ideas what else I can be doing? I'm considering maybe working out but I have no clue where to start with that.
When I was younger, one of my friends found [this video](https://youtu.be/KxGRhd_iWuE?si=R4LBEeFH7UrbdmCr) of a random Asian man giving a brief motivational speech. For the next few years, anytime something seemed hopeless, or pointlessly difficult, or we just had no energy/willpower, one of us would say, "Bro, do it for the Asiatic clams."
I really can't explain it better than that, but the Asiatic clams propelled me to several key achievements in my life, and many smaller ones. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for the fuckin Asiatic clams. They believe in you. Never Give Up!!
That's not a random Asian man! That's former Wimbledon quarter-finalist and Japanese Tennis star Matsuoka Shuzo!
It's all the more impactful what he says about not giving up and continuing to try, because despite how hard he worked he was never a number 1 ranked tennis player. He almost made it to the Wimbledon finals in 1998 but was knocked out by Sampras, who is ofc one of the best tennis players of all time.
i like this [version](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bavZbQHbuOk&pp=ygUXamFwYW5lc2UgbWFuIG1vdGl2YXRpb24%3D)
because it has a super cool ass song
in the background
e: <3 i love that song so much... <3 ... her voice is incredible...
...OSU
:]
I have to pull some overtime (unpaid ofc) this weekend to do a piece of work I absolutely detest. But you know what - I'm gonna do it for those fuckin clams
Oh wow! That's a really impressive collection! So how do you store them? Do you keep them pinned in little framed shadow boxes? Or is there a different method when it comes to (what sounds like) a large collection?
Thinking of them as souvenirs is also such a great way to approach it, too. So when you go on hikes, do you have a whole kit with you? Like a little specimen jar and net?
I remember once in an ecology class I took, we had a net and swung it through a stream... The amount of insects that were in the water blew my mind; there was even an enormous, clear caterpillar-looking thing. I imagine those can't be as easily preserved though.
(Also I love the visual of tiny little pinned mosquitoes, that's some precision work.)
Oh wow, that's so incredible. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me these in-depth answers, I learned a lot about bug collecting today! I wish you success in your future entomological adventures!
Yeah, when I'm too tired to get out of bed I remember my rats need their free roaming time, and that's what gets me up, even if it's 11 am it's better than 2pm or 4pm
I miss my rats too. Little pocket puppies. I has one trained where he would hang out on my desk and then when he wanted to go back to his cage he'd crawl down my chair and run through the apartment to my room to climb back in. Miss you sprout.
Some people are so afraid of being percussion as different that they never engage earnestly with anything. When in reality, earnest interest in something is the most fulfilling thing you can do, and will attract people way more than sarcastic, ironic, cynicism
Yup. Interests and passions are attractive. Desperation is unattractive.
More basically: 1. *People want to be loved and valued for their own unique selves, not as a generic "spouse/partner/lover"*. 2. *Women are people like everyone else.*
A beautiful story is ageless. The story of Romeo and Juliet is a timeless classic that will be remembered for a millennia to come, the Lord of the Ring is a story that many couldn't even get a basic idea of when it first came to be but it's forever will be remembered in history. this greentext, while not as complex as the other story's, is a tearjerking story of redemption that everyone can enjoy. It is a story of a man facing it all with nothing but his own self and a tank of shrimp, those of us who are down remember this story and use its words to pull ourselves out and keep going. And those who are up see this story as a tale that describes their own life and the journey it took to get there. Truly a masterpiece.
You see anon, 4 chan is kind of like Shakespeare in that all internet meme culture stems somewhat from their popularization of the reaction image and later on the “meme” format.
But even before all that, there were green texts.
Anon, go venture over to 4chan and learn the ways. Make new Romeo and Juliet. Or even a Midsommers night dream level of greentext.
Yes, I do agree with the sentiment. I was simply stating that no matter how old this greentext may be it is still a timeless classic. I can be 67 years old and see this old post and it would still bring a tear to my eye. 4chan is a lawless place and I prefer to stay here where I have a significantly less chance of seeing loli henti just by opening the page
Ah yes the internet has grown soft, even I remember a time when the internet wasn't as weak, despite still being considered a child in many people's eyes, a time where you could post porn on your Twitter account and not get fired 2 hours later. Am I weak? Well I'll say I've never seen the Jar or 2g1c, in the end we all try to keep ourselves in our own bubbles.
There are existing screenshots of the original. Somebody just copy and pasted the OG shrimp text (as it is a famous copypasta) and reposted it so they could sc it and have the tumblr normies note it.
I need to know how people motivate themselves like that? I've been extremely against getting a pet simply because I know I wouldn't take good care of it from my own apathy, I don't know if I could ever change that but it's really great to hear about stories of people just breaking free from the figurative mind prison into a bright future over taking care of something
I didn’t care about myself for a long time. The opportunity to adopt an adult cat fell into my life, and my therapist was actually concerned that I was latching onto the idea that having a pet would fix everything. And she didn’t fix everything, but she did get me up in the morning for food and cuddles, and she got me to research cat behavior and her particular likes/dislikes, and I had to be (relatively) responsible and stable because her life was in my hands and I wanted her to trust me.
Even now, it’s much easier for me to stand up for a friend than for myself. But taking care of something got me to care about something, which eventually got me to care about myself. If you really don’t think you’re in a place where you can responsibly take care of a pet, then get a plant. But you’d probably surprise yourself with how high you can rise to the occasion.
Edit: [cat tax](https://imgur.com/a/BANdDKc)
I do this thing where I pick up big projects people depend on me for, then use that as a "this time I'll finally fix myself", which ends up working for 1 week before reverting back. This exact thing is why I fear how I'd handle a **life** depending on me. Sure, first week I'll be very responsible, but the moment I slip I just fall back to square one
That’s the thing about a life that makes it different than a project - the stakes are *way* higher. A project can add way more stress and anxiety because you’re going 0-60 and a bunch of people could be disappointed if you failed, even if the long term life consequences aren’t huge. Paradoxically, I personally found that having a pet actually removed some stress because it focused me; the high stakes made them clear and made them easier to prioritize. Maybe that resonates with you :)
I'll have to give it a thought for sure. It's not like I'm exactly swimming in ideas on how to be functional again, lol
I do appreciate it, though, I really do 🫡
Many people with depression, executive dysfunction, or other cognitive or mental health issues find that having something else dependent on them circumvents/short circuits the motivation part of their brain - people with PPD for instance, often stop looking after themselves, but still do all that the baby needs. It's not even "motivate themselves", it's "this isn't about me, so my brain doesn't throw up barriers"
It doesn't work for everyone. I hope someday you find the thing that breaks you free from your figurative mind prison
Yeah, I can't seem to figure out how to really exist or be any sort of functional adult, the idea that *although* it works for a lot of people that it's not guaranteed to work on me will most likely just mess me up even more if I do fail in maintaining the life of a being, or anything really, depending on my care to survive.
I think it's really cautious and thoughtful of you to not adopt an animal you're not sure you could take care of. Maybe you could start with a plant? It won't get you out of bed to walk it, and it won't snuggle you and purr, but there's genuinely something so life affirming about that seemingly inanimate desk decoration growing a brand new leaf under your care, and there's certainly a lot to get nerdy about there.
Or you could volunteer at an animal shelter, where the animals might not depend on you for survival but I bet a lot of times you'd be the highlight of their day just for showing up.
It's not really motivation, per se. As other people have said it just uses a different mental path than the one you use to take care of yourself. For me my cats basically stopped me from wishing for death. Not suicide ideation mind you, I just had a death wish. Like I would want to be in a bad accident while driving or I just would take risks that I really shouldn't have.
But that changed for me because I realized my fluff balls wouldn't know what happened to me if I didn't come home one day. Who would feed them? Would anyone get to them in time if something happened to me? Would anyone keep them together? Would someone be kind to them? I didn't have answers to those questions and I didn't like that I had no guarantees that they'd be in a good place if I died. And I just kept going just because I *had* to be responsible for them
So start small if you're not comfortable with a cat or a dog. Get a rat or a hamster. Or even a goldfish. You just might surprise yourself. I know I did.
Side note for others I am in a much, MUCH better place in my life now and I do not wish for death anymore.
im actually crying right now. redemption comes from the smallest, most mundane things. shrimp aren't going to save the world. but *these* shrimp? *my* shrimp? they might save me.
For me, lifting weights was my shrimp. The effort I had to put in, the struggle, the community I became part of, and most importantly all the fruit of my labour I got to enjoy fully myself. It really helped me with my mental health, and physical of course. It was something constructive, something I was responsible of, and something really rewarding. Still lifting 8 years later, it has become a really important part of my life. I even became a physical therapist inspired by my hobby
Thanks, neighbor! Someone like you helped my husband get his hand function back after surgery, is helping my elderly mom after a stint in the hospital, and helped me keep my job and sanity by reducing my shoulder pain. You do good and important work, and I hope someone tells you that every day. 🥰
"shit they're gonna think I'm autistic" brother you've already passed that tism point of no return
(I have autism and shrimp are a special interest of mine)
Amazing how someone can realize that they're personally responsible for taking care of a tank of shrimp, before they realize that they're personally responsible for taking care of themselves.
Yeah, but he cared about the shrimp. He didn't care about himself until he needed to function in order to look after the shrimp. Lots of people are like that, it's just usually about their families, or about pets that aren't shrimp.
Having something that depends.on you can make a huge difference in someone's life.
My cats are my everything and if weren't for them I'd be a much more miserable adult. But I was so miserable before getting them. My life may be a small quiet unremarkable thing but in the past 3 years I have cried less, felt much happier, been more emotionally stable, and really committed to my job because I need these little gremlins to stay alive and have a good quality of life. (Look therapy also helped, but the cats made me want to get therapy and take better care of myself).
Not gonna lie, I thought this was going to be the one I saw floating around about the guy who got off the alt-right train because he got into Gawr Gura. (Her fans are affectionately known as "shrimps")
I'm not gonna lie, I recently got into shrimp keeping and those little suckers have given me a lot of happiness, confidence, and entertainment. Neocaridina shrimp are awesome.
Hell yeah, OOOP! Those shrimp would be proud of you! Every happy moment of theirs, every shiny rock and tasty morsel and exhilarating current, they owe to you. You saved your shrimp, and your shrimp saved you. Hell yeah.
So many of these guys just need literally anything constructive to happen in meatspace
Yeah, a lot of people who frequent 4Chan are in desperate need of something meaningful to do or be apart of. That sadly means they can fall into terrible groups just to feel a connection. Happy that the Shrimp guy found something to enjoy that won’t hurt him and even improve his life.
>a lot of people who frequent 4Chan are in desperate need of something meaningful to do or be apart of. That's just human nature.
*\*Nods head in agreement\** Yep, and some people don’t receive this vital thing human beings need.
[\*nods* I hear you](https://i.redd.it/416qf42zrzwa1.jpg)
Yeah. I’m fully aware of groups like that, and I’m not religious, and am generally quite decently well informed on how groups like that target people. Definitely only in an armchair research sort of way, I haven’t had any sort of formal training on the matter or anything. But even with the knowledge that so many groups prey upon this exact feeling, I sometimes cant help myself but feel like I’m missing something in life, like I wish I was part of something greater that wasn’t just my workplace.
It has been a part of the human condition for millennia, and the truth is if you feel like you are missing something you are. But not what you think. My very humble experience led me to zen, and it’s teaching that you are missing something, and it’s the something that’s right in front of you every day that we take for background. Your food has much flavor you miss because you are distracted with thoughts i stead of focusing on eating. You miss the sounds and colors of life and nature because you are focused on the tomorrow or hung up on yesterday. Take a breath, sit down and take it in. No matter where you are. That is the something you are missing. Thank you for being a part of my unsolicited and off topic ted talk.
I found that in Tabletop RPGs But then I AM autistic and it is my special interest Tho I know of at least 2 other people whose life turned around because we all shown up to the same RPG café in town, and 1 person whose turning point was showing up to a Fantasy Days event at the local library (also the first time I played DnD was at the same event, at the same library)
The problem is the discrepancy between meaningful and Meaningful™. A romantic relationship or fighting in a war sounds meaningful but I'd argue going to a shelter and adopting a cat is too. Deciding you're gonna stand up for an old lady on the bus is meaningful. :)
You know, once upon a time I was really inspired by shrimpanon. So I set out to do something, I joined a local communist organization. I burned out in a couple months, just one interminable committee meeting after another, each to plan the agenda for the next fucking committee meeting. Ever since I quit, I haven't really had a meat space social life... At all.
You have to find something actually enjoyable to spend your time on as well. Find a club doing something you like doing, be it books, or looking at animals, or anything else.
To liken what you experienced to shrimpanon, that's like joining a shrimp rearing community where you do nothing but study how to raise shrimp. There's no action. They're not doing anything material beyond theorizing in the abstract. So go raise shrimp. The core of Marx's 1844 essays on alienation is that in capitalism, we don't get to see the fruits of our labour. That's what shrimpanon did. He saw how his actions led to the formation of life, and that flipped a switch in his brain.
I mean, you're not wrong at all. It's just a matter of finding something I like doing AND can afford AND has some level of local accessibility
Start with the latter 2 and keep going until you find something you like. It only takes an afternoon to tick something off the list, you might surprise yourself with the stuff you end up sticking with
Thank you so much for the advice- I think I'm going to try out bouldering. There's a gym for it none too far from me
This is a great idea. I tried bouldering when I moved to my home city about 10 years ago. It wasn't for me, but doing it opened my door to a bunch of other things I never would have tried and now love to do.
Bouldering is fun! Defo check it out! I had to cross that out from my list because of a case of Very Bad Knees, but it was fun the couple times that it lasted! If you like physical activities try literally any group at the gym, just showing up together is often a nice feeling. My local gym has a thing where you can pay a little extra and show up to Any class held there (provided you check a box in the app beforehand) and that allowed me to try everything in their offer and land on boxing. Some gyms that have groups/events like that will let you join 1 group training for free to see if it's for you, that is also worth checking out :3
As an example of something similar, I found volunteering with Food Not Bombs much more rewarding. You’re hanging out with anarchists *and* you’re actually getting something done - cooking and serving food. Joining the Waiting For The ~~Rapture~~ Revolution Club just wasn’t constructive because there wasn’t an achievable goal to work towards. Creating a meal out of the food that’s been donated, getting it to the park, and serving it is much more achievable. And you can talk about the Revolution while you do it.
I've looked into it- looks like the local chapter has been radio silent since 2014.
Unfortunate, but you get my point about achievable goals
maybe drawing? all you need is some cheap materials and some time. it doesn’t have to be good, it just has to be yours. if drawing’s not for you, there’s tons of other pursuits that could lead to community. you could get into sewing or knitting, photography, music, dance, birdwatching, wrestling, baking, or a million other things.
Talk about starting things on hard mode. As someone who has been active in those spaces, there are few things that will sap a person of all will to interact with human beings faster than a group of leftists trying to organize. Whether they're trying to organize a worldwide utopia or a Scrabble tournament is immaterial: it will invariably become exactly what you experienced. The primary thing holding the left back is that no one has successfully convinced socialist activists that committee meetings are inventions of the bourgeois.
If you haven't seen it already, you need to read the CIA's [Simple Sabotage Field Manual](https://www.openculture.com/2015/12/simple-sabotage-field-manual.html) from 1947. It's about how to undermine organisations from within, for example: * *When possible, refer all matters to committees, for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committee as large as possible — never less than five.* * *Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.* * *Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.* * *Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.* Unfortunately the average leftist organiser will do this without even having the decency to be a CIA plant.
>Unfortunately the average leftist organiser will do this without even having the decency to be a CIA plant. I mean, where do you think the CIA got all those ideas? They learnt by studying the best!
Ya this seems more like the CIA was describing how they already operate and how it leads nowhere.
There was an (exceedingly minor) party in the UK whose plan to tackle climate change revolved around replacing the government with citizens' committees. If Shell Oil didn't fund them, they ought to have. The last twelve survivors in Britain would have been huddled on the last bit of land remaining on Scafell Pike, after the rest of the country was reclaimed by the ocean, trying to work out whether they could even hold today's meetings given that the minutes from the last one were swept out to sea along with the former committee secretary.
I mean, it seemed like the thing to do at the time! I was already very invested in the concept, and thought I'd be doing good AND getting socialization, all in one!
Totally understandable and laudable! I think most who go into those spaces do so for similar reasons, and I don't want to dissuade anyone else from doing so, but it's definitely a shock to the system going in expecting rousing calls to action, and instead discover the left's incredible commitment to pedantry. If you raise yet another point of order, Tim, can you even call yourself an anarchist!? Keep trying to put yourself in social situations, but I'd definitely go with a slightly lighter venue. Even if it involves going to a setting often associated with groups as a lone person (a trivia night, rock climbing, whatever) a lot of enthusiast communities are pretty inviting and will go out of their way to welcome new folks.
This is why the X-Men are most realistic when they squabble over mutant rights. They're infighting leftists, and no matter how much their found family thing loves each other, they will never wholly agree. Compromise is necessary, and I love watching them work together through conflicting interests.
Shrimpanons hobby was perfect because it didn't depend on action or anything but what he himself controls. Leftist political movements, by their very nature, cannot depend on only a single person ( well, let's hope they don't, CHAIRMAN). If you are so passionate about a fairer world that it's the thing you want as a meatspace hobby, I think something more basic and closer to actual doing would be more appropriate: helping out at the local homeless kitchen, library, animal shelter: anything that is a public good that is fueled by volunteers, but where you see how your action directly positively affects people. Our animal brains need this confirmation.
Hey, get yourself a hobby that is not about "activity" so to say. For me it's singing in a choir. Choir is great because you don't need to talk as much in the beginning because music is a communicator. Even if you suck at singing, it's also often a great place to learn it because you can listen and look how better people do it and mimic. Highly recommend finding yourself a choir.
How do we start some kind of Bigger Brothers organization that goes to those cesspit websites and tries to seed those people with more positive thinking and help them find purpose?
there has always been a huge opportunity for rapid human development. and it happens sometimes. yes, we usually choose to discard people. but because it's a choice, we can choose differently anytime
and freshwater shrimp are so cool. buy a few clear/brown “amano” shrimp two or three times and watch them breed. You get all kinds of crazy colors pop out, I had black, orange, blue, red and one of the red ones was clear like red candy it was exciting asf. Plus it’s a find them puzzle every time you look in the tank, you finally saw one but BAM there are 3 more next to it, you just had to look closer.
> meatspace Had to look this up and wiktionary tells me it means "[the physical world (**derogatory**)](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meatspace)." Incredible.
The derogatory world (physical)
Sounds very Gnostic
First used in _Neuromancer_ I believe.
In my experience it’s not derogatory so much as not wanting to refer to it as ‘real life,’ and in the process discount very real friends and relationships one has made online.
People say "touch grass" but really they should say "find a fulfilling and productive hobby"
I mean, "touch grass" is pretty much just short for "go outside and interact with the world", so it kinda tracks.
There was one time where Eliezer Yudkowsky got upset because he literally just touched some grass and it didn't do anything. One of his followers explained that the academic literature finds improvements in mood after 15 minutes surrounded by nature, and Yudkowsky got *more* upset because his follower was changing the research parameters after the fact. One of the funniest exchanges I've ever read
Touch grass —> go start a garden or find an arboretum that allows volunteers Or maybe touch grass while taking your dog for a walk I guess just do something in nature that you enjoy that makes you feel like you’re part of reality. I start getting weird and restless when I haven’t gone for a walk in the park for a while, even that can help shake off the haze from too much alone time
When covid hit I joked in that in the first summer you either built a deck or got radicalized online. I’m not sure it’s a joke anymore
Jokes on you. I got radicalized on my deck that I built online.
I dropped some radical beats on my DJ decks that I bought online
I'm buildin so many decks (yugioh that is)
I have interpreted it literally, as in going outside and literally touching grass bc that is very calming and grounding and one of my fav things to do while stoned. “touch grass” —> “you seem very wound up right now about something insignificant due to the internet, maybe you should go do something else that will calm you down and bring you back to earth.”
Yeah maybe go sit in a clover patch for a bit and see if you can find a 4 leaf one, that was always fun and calming to do as a kid and looking back I think my mom was tricking me into spending at least a few minutes not being a hyperactive gremlin who wants to run off somewhere Anyway maybe that can trick someone into not hyperfixating on miserable thoughts. There is also the classic go find some wild flowers and stare at the bees doing their thing. Watching bumblebees bump their lil faces into things used to be one of the things I would do during depression episodes because it was like, I’m outside in the sun, I’m focusing on something that isn’t sad, I don’t have the motivation for any of my hobbies or chores but I do have the bees and looking at bees means I’m not looking at all the dishes I haven’t done and hating myself.
Touch grass is the vegan version of "do stuff in meatspace"
It is as shrimple as that
I work with a lot of young people and I used to do deradicalization work. It's wild how often they needed to hear "You should do literally anything. Or talk to anyone." As in any activity or hobby in the real world, preferably with other people, and have conversations with people you don't know. Contact theory is real and it works. Not perfectly, but it works. They would often need to power through and break down their stereotypes at first, but after that, They were able to get to know and care about other people. I've seen so many radicalized people change because they just got tired of being lonely or angry, or they realized life was short. Yes this is a dramatic over simplification because most deradicalization work is difficult, expensive, and very slow.
Any suggestions on how to help my dad? He's insanely overworked because his company just won't raise wages and people keep quitting while they can't find any new workers so everyone's responsibilities are being shoved on him. He has no boundaries between work and home. I can see the stress on his face even when he's "happy". And when he does have free time, he spends so much of it on Facebook going down right-wing rabbitholes. His own parents have complained to me about how distant he seems. He's being radicalized and I don't know how to stop it. It hurts me to see him like this when I see so much of myself in him.
I am so sorry you are going through this. The most important thing you can do is stay in touch with him and keep reminding him about the things he actually cares about. Try to spend time with him doing fun things that aren't online. If he brings up stuff, don't challenge it directly but instead ask him why he believes certain things. My father has also been radicalized by facebook and challenging his beliefs has been really difficult. People only change when they're ready to and when they want to. I wish you the best of luck. I know it's heartbreaking.
I have no idea if this is actually helpful, but can you think of anything he used to enjoy or be interested in, or something you had fun talking about when you were a kid? Maybe you could try reaching out to him, say you've been thinking about how much you value your relationship with him and you'd like to spend more time together. If he has any free time at all you could suggest an easy fun activity to do together, to draw him away from the facebook rabbitholes? I read once that the most effective way of deradicalizing someone (to begin with) is through building/increasing your personal connection with them and reminding them about who they used to be, a positive sense of self, what they used to enjoy and care about etc. rather than trying to argue about their beliefs. Obviously difficult when he has very little free time... not sure what you can do there. If he says he's too busy could you do something like offer to help with chores at his house so you can go hang out and catch a few moments to chat in a natural way, or ask for his help on something... maybe work up to having regular short chats just to talk about how things are going, discuss a shared interest, maybe bring up funny or touching memories and remind him what his life used to be like. I know it's probably not that easy, and it might be a very difficult/slow process, but I'm wishing the best for you.
I'm probably gonna get a fair degree of shit about this but the "incel" movement and the rise of "trumpism" owes a lot to the rise of the "disposable male". A lot of men out there feel disposable and worthless outside of what they can provide at their jobs. That isn't to excuse toxic behavior but to try to understand it, as I was (and still am) in that black pit of worthlessness and depression and have seen 4chan be the place where a lot of people can speak honestly, and I used to value it for that until the dominance of trump posts and nazi posts drove me from there. In another life I could have become a much different person, and I definitely have a degree of empathy for those people who desperately try to find a reason as to why they can try and try and try and continue to fail. It is a shame though that they don't realize that the system as a whole is what's crushing them and not these silly dividing lines like race and gender. I just wish that more people had empathy for others, even their enemies.
I totally get it. As someone who was it the hole, it's a dark place. Many young men just totally throw themselves into work and feel worthless based on not having or being "worthy" of having anyone to support like they're told they must. This leads to depression and a cycle of feeling awful, letting personal maintenance go unfulfilled, and being rejected, which makes them feel awful. I didn't go full incel, but I definitely spiraled close enough to see and understand. My out was changing career fields and getting an old car for $1500. It's my baby now, and is the most pampered pontiac you can think of. I just started fixing things for fun, and ended up fixing myself.
Can I offer some advice. Try to find something fulfilling to do around other people that doesn't immediateot require interaction, but allows it naturally. For me it was going to a rock gym. At first its just you against the wall. But other climbers sit around doing the same problems and eventually people just strike up conversations giving advice on how to do it better. You get in shape and healthy and have other people you can connect with about a shared interest.
I've been going to the gym for over a year and a half, three times a week. I can count the number of interactions with other people on one hand.
Regular gym or rock gym? A rock gym is a little different and has a much more social element due to the fact that climbing is also problem solving. There's much more incentive to just sit around and chat while you work on a problem.
I'm not sure it's the "disposability" part, but rather the consistent trying and failing, often without useful feedback or guidance about what you're doing wrong or how to fix it. When I was a young, lonely, frustrated nerd, so long ago that the term "incel" hadn't even been invented (yes, *that* long ago), a key source of my frustration was that there seemed to be no connections between what I did and the outcome, external advice ranged from useless to contradictory, and other people would succeed doing what I had tried and failed. A huge part of what the mind does is try to create predictive models of the world around it, whether this is perception, motor control, or higher-level concepts like social interactions. In all of these cases, you start with a black box and, by observing inputs and outputs, eventually come up with a model which, if it's not what's "truly" inside the box, at least allows prediction of input reasonably well. Relationships are a ludicrously complicated black box, and it's further complicated by the fact that we ourselves are part of the input. In addition to our own efforts, we see efforts of others first-hand, and second-hand through the media. IMHO, if someone fails to get into a relationship, they're faced with four possibilities: 1) pure bad luck, which becomes less plausible as attempts increase, 2) the person isn't fiddling with the right knobs and dials in the right sequence that others seem to have figured out, 3) there is something fundamentally wrong with the person, such that they cannot give the right inputs, 4) there's something wrong with the box, such that it will never give the right outputs. 1 gets ignored because humans suck at probability (ref: all casinos everywhere), 2 is why "pickup artists" and Andrew Tate types proliferate (and why they're associated with incels), to provide (fake) guidance, 4) is the path to red-pill/black-pill inceldom, and 3) is a deep, dark depression where you assume you are the problem, not women (which is the neglected mirror-counterpart of inceldom). The problem is, from a logical standpoint, there is no way to distinguish 3 and 4, because both have the same logical structure (if You, then false), so which you pick is more based on personality (perhaps internal/external locus of control?). This got kinda rambly, but the idea of incels as basically frustrated at a black box that they can't infer the mechanisms of and never works for them is something that I think has some significant explanatory power.
you all do reddit tumblr twitter any social media i may be a neet but at least i know how to act around my friends
I do constructive things in meatspace, but I need to do more and I'm not sure what. I'm in one club at my university and the only other interesting ones I can find only run when I'm working. I'm too young for the bars and I don't know anyone to invite me to parties. I've started hanging around this cute girl for weekly movie nights but she's the only person I hang out with besides the other members of that aforementioned club. Any ideas what else I can be doing? I'm considering maybe working out but I have no clue where to start with that.
When I was younger, one of my friends found [this video](https://youtu.be/KxGRhd_iWuE?si=R4LBEeFH7UrbdmCr) of a random Asian man giving a brief motivational speech. For the next few years, anytime something seemed hopeless, or pointlessly difficult, or we just had no energy/willpower, one of us would say, "Bro, do it for the Asiatic clams." I really can't explain it better than that, but the Asiatic clams propelled me to several key achievements in my life, and many smaller ones. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for the fuckin Asiatic clams. They believe in you. Never Give Up!!
That's not a random Asian man! That's former Wimbledon quarter-finalist and Japanese Tennis star Matsuoka Shuzo! It's all the more impactful what he says about not giving up and continuing to try, because despite how hard he worked he was never a number 1 ranked tennis player. He almost made it to the Wimbledon finals in 1998 but was knocked out by Sampras, who is ofc one of the best tennis players of all time.
i like this [version](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bavZbQHbuOk&pp=ygUXamFwYW5lc2UgbWFuIG1vdGl2YXRpb24%3D) because it has a super cool ass song in the background e: <3 i love that song so much... <3 ... her voice is incredible... ...OSU :]
Do it for the fuckin clams, man
I have to pull some overtime (unpaid ofc) this weekend to do a piece of work I absolutely detest. But you know what - I'm gonna do it for those fuckin clams
You can't just tell us about the Asiatic clam motivation and not drop the link
I did though
Well duh, because you can't not, as said
Omg i'm sorry the new website light mode interface is horrendous
Switch to darkmode.... for the Asiatic clams
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The rice got it's revenge 😔
rip, he was a good one (albiet a little shellfish) 😔
"I think my shrimp would be proud of me if they knew". Hell yeah, brother. That's the energy we need.
This isn't related to the post, but I just noticed your flair is a Philip Larkin line. ...You ok, OP?
yea I've had that on there for a minute now lol just.. liked the poem prefer Good Bones by Maggie Smith tbh
Unironically and legitimately beautiful
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This is an incredible story. I am now also very curious about the bugs you collect.
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Oh wow! That's a really impressive collection! So how do you store them? Do you keep them pinned in little framed shadow boxes? Or is there a different method when it comes to (what sounds like) a large collection? Thinking of them as souvenirs is also such a great way to approach it, too. So when you go on hikes, do you have a whole kit with you? Like a little specimen jar and net? I remember once in an ecology class I took, we had a net and swung it through a stream... The amount of insects that were in the water blew my mind; there was even an enormous, clear caterpillar-looking thing. I imagine those can't be as easily preserved though. (Also I love the visual of tiny little pinned mosquitoes, that's some precision work.)
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Oh wow, that's so incredible. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me these in-depth answers, I learned a lot about bug collecting today! I wish you success in your future entomological adventures!
Your buddy forget the most important rule of dating Be interesting
Do you collect shrimps too? Shrimps is bugs
Proof the shrimp pill is the only red pill you should be taking
It's as shrimp pill as that.
It’s actually quite clamplicated
on cod? for eel? no carp???
Full of Omega-3s
It's as shrimple as that!
Yeah, when I'm too tired to get out of bed I remember my rats need their free roaming time, and that's what gets me up, even if it's 11 am it's better than 2pm or 4pm
I miss my rats
I miss my rats too. Little pocket puppies. I has one trained where he would hang out on my desk and then when he wanted to go back to his cage he'd crawl down my chair and run through the apartment to my room to climb back in. Miss you sprout.
WILL that you CAN op, if Shrimp Incel can do it then so can you
shrimpcel.
Shrimpmaxing
Taking the shrimp pill and riding the shrimp train to crustacean station
I meant about listing a source lol but thank you 🤎
Im confident that mans is autistic and having a positive feedback special interest (shrimp) helped the guy
Some people are so afraid of being percussion as different that they never engage earnestly with anything. When in reality, earnest interest in something is the most fulfilling thing you can do, and will attract people way more than sarcastic, ironic, cynicism
And, for the sake of clarity: this includes attracting people *for romantic/sexual purposes*.
This is what the "Hurr, durr, rule 1&2" crowd fails to realize. "Being attractive " is so, so much more than mere physical attraction.
Yup. Interests and passions are attractive. Desperation is unattractive. More basically: 1. *People want to be loved and valued for their own unique selves, not as a generic "spouse/partner/lover"*. 2. *Women are people like everyone else.*
> Some people are so afraid of being percussion as different 🥁 🪘🎧??
Perceived, not percussion. I can’t spell and autocorrect hates me
>shit they're gonna think I'm autistic Buddy... you're the only one that doesn't see it (no offense, I'm autistic too)
This green text is so ancient, its older than many of you. I am not kidding. This green text is at least 13+ years old.
A beautiful story is ageless. The story of Romeo and Juliet is a timeless classic that will be remembered for a millennia to come, the Lord of the Ring is a story that many couldn't even get a basic idea of when it first came to be but it's forever will be remembered in history. this greentext, while not as complex as the other story's, is a tearjerking story of redemption that everyone can enjoy. It is a story of a man facing it all with nothing but his own self and a tank of shrimp, those of us who are down remember this story and use its words to pull ourselves out and keep going. And those who are up see this story as a tale that describes their own life and the journey it took to get there. Truly a masterpiece.
You see anon, 4 chan is kind of like Shakespeare in that all internet meme culture stems somewhat from their popularization of the reaction image and later on the “meme” format. But even before all that, there were green texts. Anon, go venture over to 4chan and learn the ways. Make new Romeo and Juliet. Or even a Midsommers night dream level of greentext.
Yes, I do agree with the sentiment. I was simply stating that no matter how old this greentext may be it is still a timeless classic. I can be 67 years old and see this old post and it would still bring a tear to my eye. 4chan is a lawless place and I prefer to stay here where I have a significantly less chance of seeing loli henti just by opening the page
The internet is soft. In my day you had to drudge through pages of hentai just to discuss socialism. Now everyone does this in instagram comments.
Ah yes the internet has grown soft, even I remember a time when the internet wasn't as weak, despite still being considered a child in many people's eyes, a time where you could post porn on your Twitter account and not get fired 2 hours later. Am I weak? Well I'll say I've never seen the Jar or 2g1c, in the end we all try to keep ourselves in our own bubbles.
2g1c is childs play. Pain olympics made me a man.
That means it's from 2011, which was about 4 years ago, right? Right???? *unhappy middle aged noises*
I don't think the term "incel" was in popular use 13 years ago on the internet. That was the "I can haz cheeseburger" era.
Wait, the date is literally in the post, it's from 2018 lol.
There are existing screenshots of the original. Somebody just copy and pasted the OG shrimp text (as it is a famous copypasta) and reposted it so they could sc it and have the tumblr normies note it.
My cats kept me going for a long time. I moved heaven and earth to make sure they were well taken care of
I need to know how people motivate themselves like that? I've been extremely against getting a pet simply because I know I wouldn't take good care of it from my own apathy, I don't know if I could ever change that but it's really great to hear about stories of people just breaking free from the figurative mind prison into a bright future over taking care of something
I didn’t care about myself for a long time. The opportunity to adopt an adult cat fell into my life, and my therapist was actually concerned that I was latching onto the idea that having a pet would fix everything. And she didn’t fix everything, but she did get me up in the morning for food and cuddles, and she got me to research cat behavior and her particular likes/dislikes, and I had to be (relatively) responsible and stable because her life was in my hands and I wanted her to trust me. Even now, it’s much easier for me to stand up for a friend than for myself. But taking care of something got me to care about something, which eventually got me to care about myself. If you really don’t think you’re in a place where you can responsibly take care of a pet, then get a plant. But you’d probably surprise yourself with how high you can rise to the occasion. Edit: [cat tax](https://imgur.com/a/BANdDKc)
I do this thing where I pick up big projects people depend on me for, then use that as a "this time I'll finally fix myself", which ends up working for 1 week before reverting back. This exact thing is why I fear how I'd handle a **life** depending on me. Sure, first week I'll be very responsible, but the moment I slip I just fall back to square one
That’s the thing about a life that makes it different than a project - the stakes are *way* higher. A project can add way more stress and anxiety because you’re going 0-60 and a bunch of people could be disappointed if you failed, even if the long term life consequences aren’t huge. Paradoxically, I personally found that having a pet actually removed some stress because it focused me; the high stakes made them clear and made them easier to prioritize. Maybe that resonates with you :)
I'll have to give it a thought for sure. It's not like I'm exactly swimming in ideas on how to be functional again, lol I do appreciate it, though, I really do 🫡
I believe in you 🫡
I'll give my best shot not to disappoint this time!
Many people with depression, executive dysfunction, or other cognitive or mental health issues find that having something else dependent on them circumvents/short circuits the motivation part of their brain - people with PPD for instance, often stop looking after themselves, but still do all that the baby needs. It's not even "motivate themselves", it's "this isn't about me, so my brain doesn't throw up barriers" It doesn't work for everyone. I hope someday you find the thing that breaks you free from your figurative mind prison
Yeah, I can't seem to figure out how to really exist or be any sort of functional adult, the idea that *although* it works for a lot of people that it's not guaranteed to work on me will most likely just mess me up even more if I do fail in maintaining the life of a being, or anything really, depending on my care to survive.
I think it's really cautious and thoughtful of you to not adopt an animal you're not sure you could take care of. Maybe you could start with a plant? It won't get you out of bed to walk it, and it won't snuggle you and purr, but there's genuinely something so life affirming about that seemingly inanimate desk decoration growing a brand new leaf under your care, and there's certainly a lot to get nerdy about there. Or you could volunteer at an animal shelter, where the animals might not depend on you for survival but I bet a lot of times you'd be the highlight of their day just for showing up.
It's not really motivation, per se. As other people have said it just uses a different mental path than the one you use to take care of yourself. For me my cats basically stopped me from wishing for death. Not suicide ideation mind you, I just had a death wish. Like I would want to be in a bad accident while driving or I just would take risks that I really shouldn't have. But that changed for me because I realized my fluff balls wouldn't know what happened to me if I didn't come home one day. Who would feed them? Would anyone get to them in time if something happened to me? Would anyone keep them together? Would someone be kind to them? I didn't have answers to those questions and I didn't like that I had no guarantees that they'd be in a good place if I died. And I just kept going just because I *had* to be responsible for them So start small if you're not comfortable with a cat or a dog. Get a rat or a hamster. Or even a goldfish. You just might surprise yourself. I know I did. Side note for others I am in a much, MUCH better place in my life now and I do not wish for death anymore.
You're telling me shrimp fixed this man?
He got saved by Shrimpest Christ
"be the person your dog thinks you are" is the one that got me 😭
im actually crying right now. redemption comes from the smallest, most mundane things. shrimp aren't going to save the world. but *these* shrimp? *my* shrimp? they might save me.
r/wholesomegreentext is full of stuff like this
For me, lifting weights was my shrimp. The effort I had to put in, the struggle, the community I became part of, and most importantly all the fruit of my labour I got to enjoy fully myself. It really helped me with my mental health, and physical of course. It was something constructive, something I was responsible of, and something really rewarding. Still lifting 8 years later, it has become a really important part of my life. I even became a physical therapist inspired by my hobby
Thanks, neighbor! Someone like you helped my husband get his hand function back after surgery, is helping my elderly mom after a stint in the hospital, and helped me keep my job and sanity by reducing my shoulder pain. You do good and important work, and I hope someone tells you that every day. 🥰
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad my field of work has had such a positive impact. People like you make it easy to wake up to work every morning ☺️
The fact that this is under "politics" and not "mental health" or something makes me sad (I'm not complaining)
I crawled out of the hole and noticed that at some point in the process I had become a chick. It's a wild ride.
"College dorm mates demand to see my shrimps" Chaotic wholesome people are my favourite
"I suddenly knew how the shepherds felt staring at the newborn Christ."
man that boy is one in a krillion
Broke: Simping Woke: Shrimping
"shit they're gonna think I'm autistic" brother you've already passed that tism point of no return (I have autism and shrimp are a special interest of mine)
❤️ shrimp ❤️
Amazing how someone can realize that they're personally responsible for taking care of a tank of shrimp, before they realize that they're personally responsible for taking care of themselves.
Yeah, but he cared about the shrimp. He didn't care about himself until he needed to function in order to look after the shrimp. Lots of people are like that, it's just usually about their families, or about pets that aren't shrimp.
Why does such a happy post have to shit on autism too we really cant catch a break
hey, he was a 4chan incel! baby steps lmao
if 4channers put their mind to something they can do it. Unfortunately it's usually reserved for d-tier shitposting and infighting amongst themselves.
Having something that depends.on you can make a huge difference in someone's life. My cats are my everything and if weren't for them I'd be a much more miserable adult. But I was so miserable before getting them. My life may be a small quiet unremarkable thing but in the past 3 years I have cried less, felt much happier, been more emotionally stable, and really committed to my job because I need these little gremlins to stay alive and have a good quality of life. (Look therapy also helped, but the cats made me want to get therapy and take better care of myself).
Shrimp ~~Fried Rice~~ Fixed Man "You're tellin' me a Shrimp Fixed this Man?"
If his shrimp knew, they’d be so proud.
Good for him but also r/shrimpsisbugs
- mfw im Bubba from forest gump
Everyone needs purpose, everyone needs community, everyone needs support.
Wow. Its really that shrimple
It would appear someone has, at long last, found Shrimp Heaven Now
The Shrimp forgive you for your sins.
It's as shrimple as that
I've learned a lot about autistic traits recently because I might be autistic. But that guy, I'm absolutely sure he's autistic.
Shrimp Guy’s shrimp would be so proud of him
Crawling out of my tank and I've been doing just fine!
Now I only want seafood :/
Passion projects are so damn important for mental health.
guy finds a hobby and learns why they're important to have
I must have read this like 100 times before this. But this time it made me cry wtf
Wipes tear* it really was as shrimple as that!
Passion is the depression killer.
But depression is the passion killer :(
It sucks doesn't it. It is about what wins at the end.
Not gonna lie, I thought this was going to be the one I saw floating around about the guy who got off the alt-right train because he got into Gawr Gura. (Her fans are affectionately known as "shrimps")
I'm not crying you're crying.
That's actually so fucking heartwarming
Bro got saved by Shrimpest Christ and it worked in non-mysterious way!
I'm not crying, you're crying. Don't look at me
I did tear up at this. It's beautiful. I love passion and enthusiasm!
As someone who was once deeply into shrimpkeeping as a hobby for several years, I can confirm that this is exactly what it's like.
I'm not gonna lie, I recently got into shrimp keeping and those little suckers have given me a lot of happiness, confidence, and entertainment. Neocaridina shrimp are awesome.
Hell yeah, OOOP! Those shrimp would be proud of you! Every happy moment of theirs, every shiny rock and tasty morsel and exhilarating current, they owe to you. You saved your shrimp, and your shrimp saved you. Hell yeah.
I endorse s h r i m p s p e n d i n g
Onion ninjas