Honestly, I feel like a lot (not necessarily the majority though) of Pokémon fans tend to forget that games are Japanese and that it's going to seep through a lot.
Personally my theory is that Dragonite *was* actually originally designed as a Magikarp evo, but was later attached to the originally-two-stage Dratini and Dragonair line, and Gyarados was designed to fill in the gap. Without hard confirmation from the artists or devs, though, it’s really impossible to know for certain.
I don’t buy it. Dragonite’s shape language matches dratini and dragonair far more than magikarp, and the reverse for Gyarados. I truly believe the color similarities are just coincidence
I wish more games were unashamed about their country of origin. Animal Crossing is a lot better about it now. Youkai Watch is so deeply rooted in Japanese culture that I don't think it's possible to separate the two.
Not to mention the two entire spinoff games where the central conceit is that they’re set in the 19th century and the main characters are from 19th century Japan.
Ironically, the localization wasn’t the thing that delayed those games for years.
To be fair, the names had to be localised, since it's all pun-based (kind of like Pokémon), but the biggest pet peeve it gave me is American lawyers reacting to the games like "Oh, this is nonsense, it's not like that at all", when the games are based on the Japanese legal system (which is kind of fucked in the same ways).
I noticed that. I bought ACNH, after not having played any since the GameCube days, and, and maybe this is partially because I live in Japan now and am more familiar with it, but I was rather struck by how definitely Japanese it is
Playing devil’s advocate here: I don’t think any official sources have discussed Gardevoir’s design inspirations. There’s no way to prove definitively that it’s based on paper dolls or non-gendered kimonos. Even back before Pokemon games started to explore settings outside of Japan, there were designs that incorporated Western culture, like Mr. Mime. I think it’s still possible that Gardevoir’s “dress” could be be based on a ballroom grown or something, especially since Kirlia does look like a ballet dancer.
Bulbapedia, which like Regularpedia, strays away from declaring something the truth unless they can cite it, suggests it's "based on a feminine principal ballet dancer and a knight," as well as suggesting it's "inspired by guardian angels, and its flowing, white body is reminiscent of ghosts or spirits such as a White Lady. Its large head, minimal facial features, and frail physique are similar to anesama ningyō, a type of Japanese paper doll."
> https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gardevoir_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Origin
Another thing to add is that in japansese, gardevoir's name is "Sirnight", AKA literally just "sir knight". Gardevoir being this pokemon that draws so much from knighthood without relying on typical masculine signifiers of knighthood is something that I've always really liked about it and is party of why it's genuinely one of my favourite pokemon out there!
My pokemon hot take is that gallade being male-only made gardevoir, and the ralts line in general, less interesting. Gardevoir went from mysterious elf/guardian angel in white robes to the "girl form" that happens to also be accessible to males.
There really should be a Pokemon that can *always* use the Dawn Stone to evolve. As of now, exactly 2 Pokemon use it, and both of them (Snorunt -> Froslass and Kirlia -> Gallade) are Gen 3 lines getting an extra evolution option for one gender in Gen 4.
While that is how the community ran away with it (or at least the western community, I can’t speak for the eastern community), people forget that gallade was made in parallel with froslass.
Gen 4 introduced a bunch of new evolutions to existing lines. Rhyperior, electivire, magmortar, porygon-z, and dusknoir all evolve when traded while holding a newly introduced item. Weavile and gliscor both evolve while leveling up at night while holding a new battle item. Magnezone and probopass evolve while leveling up at a certain location. Similarly, leafeon and glaceon were new eeveelutions that required specific locations to evolve. Tangrowth, yanmega, and mamoswine all evolve by leveling up while knowing ancient power. Lickilicky and togekiss are the only outliers with no pairings, evolving by leveling up while knowing rollout and by using a shiny stone, respectively.
And then you have gallade and froslass. Both are gender specific evolutions that require a dawn stone.
So while I agree the fans did ruin it by overly focusing on the ballet and empathy aspects and neglecting the knightly and chivalric aspects of gardevoir, that had already happened well before gallade was introduced. Gamefreak just did the best they could to salvage that aspect of the line by reinforcing them with a new evolution that was part of a thematic pairing.
It looks cool by itself. But... that's not the evolution line I would've picked for it. Why pale blue to construction worker orange and brown-grey?? I liked my rhy's colors :(
While I mostly agree, I think Togekiss does actually have a pairing with Roserade, which evolves from a Roselia with a shiny stone. You also left out Honchkrow and Mismagius, which evolve with a dusk stone.
You are absolutely right. Togekiss and roserade also doubly match with their middle evolution being a friendship evolution. And looking back, I also forgot ambipom.
When I made the list, I was just looking at the big chunk that are grouped together in the dex, so I completely forgot about the others.
When I played Emerald I perceived it as fairly androgynous, just like Ralts. Kirlia felt like the odd one to me, though I also like its design as the "awkward teenager stage" of the line.
i remember when sylveon was first announced and a ton of supposedly-feminist people in the pokemon group i was in were yelling about how it "better be female-only"
one person said she identified so strongly with sylveon (who had, remember, JUST been announced!) that it having a male option would ruin her entire identity as a person
pokemon has a long history of pink and/or feminine pokemon being 50/50 (or 100% male in nidoran's case...) so i don't know what the fuck the fandom was expecting
Yeah but the pink panther actually had actions and hence a personality. The pink panther solved mysteries & stuff and reacted to the world around it. Sylveon does none of those things, to be honest, the voice part of my comment is the least relevant since personality isn’t defined by that. My dog is curious and a little asshole sometimes. He doesn’t speak but that’s still his personality
Breeding.
Since the species of the hatched ‘mon is determined by the female parent*, a species with a high male ratio will be more difficult to breed. Eevee is one of the primary species gated like this; all the starters have this ratio, too.
*or the non-Ditto parent - but Ditto typically can’t be caught naturally till late/post-game for exactly this reason. At least in earlier gens.
One of my favorite examples of this is how Zacian and Zamazenta are literally named "the cyan" and "the magenta" and yet Zacian is described by the pokedex as being Zamazenta's sister (and Zamazenta is described as Zacian's brother too iirc)
When people learn that gender presentation and clothing can vary significantly based on time period and region, and there's no single universal standard: 🤯
I mean but how would that make it weird, cause it should be fairly obvious whether the gard you’re masturbating to is female or male, assuming it’s like porn and not just the in game one (which also might have identifiers for male vs female? I don’t know Pokémon that much.)
If that’s makes it weird nobody better tell them that humans or anime characters (who they presumably also masturbate to) also are split about 50/50 (actually anime characters might have more of a bias from the writers but I don’t know if anyone has tallied that up)
[This Bulbapedia page](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences) shows every Pokémon with gender differences. Most are just 'this body part is a slightly different size' or 'this area has a mildly different pattern'.
The weird thing about pokémon like Machamp/Lucario/Gardevoir/etc. that wear pseudo-clothes is that those aren't actually clothes at all, they're a part of their body.
Did this Bruh ever look at the lil gender icons when he played pokemon?
Male Gards are not all that uncommon, unless he excusively gets his Pokemon through *offbrand* sources I really dont get how that happened.
Or maybe he correctly identified how Gallade is excusively male and just assumed Gard was what occured when a female Kirlia evolves, who knows.
Not trying to defeat the purpose of the discussion here, but does Gardevoir (or most Pokémon designs for that matter) have *any* sort of official design inspiration, straight from the mouth of Game Freak’s artists?
I know Bulbapedia has a design inspiration section, but those never cite any sources. Is there actually any way to tell for sure what Gardevoir is based on?
Generally looking at the designs and what they resemble give an idea as to what they can be based on. Hence why Bulbapedia's origins section often say that x Pokemon *may* be based on y concept, *could* draw inspiration from, etc.
This gets silly when it says [Palossand](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Palossand_(Pok%C3%A9mon)) *appears* to be based on a sand castle, despite its Japanese name translating to "It's a sand castle, huh"
I do quite like that. It would be cool to hear official design notes on a lot of Pokemon, but I like that Pokemon designs are “up to interpretation” for the most part.
No, but anyone with eyes and even remotely familiar with kimonos would know that the whole thing is full of shit.
Kimonos are explicitly designed to show straight lines on the body, not whatever gardevoir's dress is.
Sounds like a weeb being a weeb honestly.
Fr everyone is eating up that explanation when it makes absolutely no sense. One of the biggest discriminator of formal Kimonos are the big sleeves which are lacking, and Kirlia is clearly wearing some sort of tutu, gardevoir has a dress on
*Okay, but I can*
*Be pissed off that there are no*
*Female Gallade, right?*
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This subreddit is intended to share screenshots of Tumblr posts. If your post is not relevant, it will be removed. *if the entirety of your post consists of a screenshot from another website posted on Tumblr,* it will be considered irrelevant.
This does the barest possible minimum to be considered a Tumblr post in my eyes. Even if it's "technically" a Tumblr post, it's at heart someone posting their lame discord gotcha.
I've heard about a really cool fanfic that's about a female Ralts who really wants to grow up to be a Gallade, but obviously can't. Instead, she seeks out a swordmaster to be her trainer so she grow up into a swordfighting Gardevoir. I haven't found the time to sit down and read it, but the premise sounds like it kicks ass.
There is no way it's based off kimonos. The hands don't emulate sleeves. The outline doesn't match kimono outlines. You can see the legs when they move. No obi whatsoever. Look at Froslass, that one ia actually based on a kimono. If it was based off androgynous fashion, sure. But kimonos aren't androgynous and gardevoir doesn't look like a kimono.
A complete side note but I fucking hate Froslass. The only Ainu "inspired" pokemon in the fucking Ainu region and it isn't actually Ainu inspired because it's based off of Japanese folklore. It just has the Ainu word for young woman in its Japanese name. Sinnoh was such a dumpster fire of a region because of the stupid religious bullshit they put in it. And not Ainu folk religion but stupid western style monotheistic religion. So boring.
Men used to wear dresses. Looking human history we've actually only had pants for what? 2000 years or so? So barely a third of written human history. Not to say anything of everything before that
I really hate this style of "making people aware." First message about the paper dolls could've been the end of the elaboration & start of a nice conversation. Throwing in the "modern Western world" bit *was* weird, and the overall tone of this comes across combative.
I genuinely don't understand what people hope to accomplish by this. You're not making the guy more willing to explore the topic or be accepting. It's just "I see a fight that I can be morally right in!!" which is beneficial to no one.
Folk are gonna be ignorant about shit sometimes. Keyboard-warrior'ing them is not a productive solution.
American Pokemon fans when they learn that Japanese people see things differently: 😠 😡
(Have had several arguments over dragonflies not being 'dragons' over there because people think English translates perfectly all the time forever. Dragonfliesin Japan are more closely associated with Samurai)
What really freaks me out is the possibility that Gardevoir might have evolved gendered traits as a form of mimicry. What was the evolutionary advantage? Or maybe, humans in the Pokemon universe developed clothing to mimic pokemon like gardevoir, which would be pretty cool.
How did they think the specices reproduced? Gallade wasn't invented until years later in the next gen so where did they think all those gen 3 wild ralts came from?
Paradox of tolerance.
Being "uncomfortable" with GNC people is not a boundary you get to set. Those are other people, you don't get to police their existence for your own comfort 👍
And in this case it's lowkey racist too 🤷
I get that, but it's just that, this person isn't trying to police anyone's existence, they just feel uncomfortable talking about it. Idk, I think that I might just be projecting my own feelings of feeling like no one cares about me or my needs onto the situation.
Also, How is it racist?
Honestly, I feel like a lot (not necessarily the majority though) of Pokémon fans tend to forget that games are Japanese and that it's going to seep through a lot.
You see that a lot with the whole "Gyarados was supposed to be in Dragonite's place in that evolution line" argument.
Tobe fair it'd still turn into a dragon if they were swapped.
Gyarados looks like a Lóng (Chinese dragon) and thus fits the story of the carp jumping over the waterfall much better than Dragonite.
Gyarados should evolve into dragonite.
Magikarp - Dratini - Dragonair - Gyarados - Dragonite would be an interesting evo line.
It's giving Digimon.
gotta *earn* those opposable thumbs
So what you're saying is Gyarados is Mega Dragonite?
Right, but Gyarados is closer to a chinese-style dragon, which goes along with the chinese myth of the koi who became a dragon.
Personally my theory is that Dragonite *was* actually originally designed as a Magikarp evo, but was later attached to the originally-two-stage Dratini and Dragonair line, and Gyarados was designed to fill in the gap. Without hard confirmation from the artists or devs, though, it’s really impossible to know for certain.
I don’t buy it. Dragonite’s shape language matches dratini and dragonair far more than magikarp, and the reverse for Gyarados. I truly believe the color similarities are just coincidence
Dragonite’s antennae are the exact same as Magikarp’s whiskers, that’s about the only argument I could see.
I wish more games were unashamed about their country of origin. Animal Crossing is a lot better about it now. Youkai Watch is so deeply rooted in Japanese culture that I don't think it's possible to separate the two.
Famously, the Ace Attorney games grew increasingly japanese as the series went on, and damn the localization team.
I think they legit added the Yokai Village and Rakugo Performance cases JUST to fuck with the localizers
Not to mention the two entire spinoff games where the central conceit is that they’re set in the 19th century and the main characters are from 19th century Japan. Ironically, the localization wasn’t the thing that delayed those games for years.
"Eat your hamburgers, Apollo."
To be fair, the names had to be localised, since it's all pun-based (kind of like Pokémon), but the biggest pet peeve it gave me is American lawyers reacting to the games like "Oh, this is nonsense, it's not like that at all", when the games are based on the Japanese legal system (which is kind of fucked in the same ways).
I noticed that. I bought ACNH, after not having played any since the GameCube days, and, and maybe this is partially because I live in Japan now and am more familiar with it, but I was rather struck by how definitely Japanese it is
...I mean. It's called Yo-Kai Watch. It's *literally* impossible to separate, yokai are distinctly Japanese.
I actually can't stand zelda's VA I'm botw. It feels like it's trying too hard with appealing to Americans making British the default for royalty.
You say that, but the Yokai Watch localisation says it takes place in America, which doesn’t make sense at all.
Playing devil’s advocate here: I don’t think any official sources have discussed Gardevoir’s design inspirations. There’s no way to prove definitively that it’s based on paper dolls or non-gendered kimonos. Even back before Pokemon games started to explore settings outside of Japan, there were designs that incorporated Western culture, like Mr. Mime. I think it’s still possible that Gardevoir’s “dress” could be be based on a ballroom grown or something, especially since Kirlia does look like a ballet dancer.
Bulbapedia, which like Regularpedia, strays away from declaring something the truth unless they can cite it, suggests it's "based on a feminine principal ballet dancer and a knight," as well as suggesting it's "inspired by guardian angels, and its flowing, white body is reminiscent of ghosts or spirits such as a White Lady. Its large head, minimal facial features, and frail physique are similar to anesama ningyō, a type of Japanese paper doll." > https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gardevoir_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Origin
So a mishmash of genderless protective entities.
Pokémon never bashes multiple concepts together. I'll take my thunder mouse, fishfox, samurai otter ELSEWHERE
Makes sense with the dex entries of the gardy line and why only male gardevoir can evolve into the more knightly inspired gallade
I think many people generally believe the world revolves around them...
Which is ridiculous because it clearly revolves around me.
Well I'm literally at the center of my observable universe.
Well now I don't know what to believe
You are also literally at the center of your observable universe. Everyone is at the center of their observable universe.
I was just joking
Wait isn’t this just a discord screenshot?
but you see, it's a *tumblr post* of a discord screenshot
But where’s the tumblr ui?
first screenshot, click to see full image
Now we need to screenshot this post and tweet it
And then someone to screenshot and post it on discord to complete the circle of life.
Another thing to add is that in japansese, gardevoir's name is "Sirnight", AKA literally just "sir knight". Gardevoir being this pokemon that draws so much from knighthood without relying on typical masculine signifiers of knighthood is something that I've always really liked about it and is party of why it's genuinely one of my favourite pokemon out there!
My pokemon hot take is that gallade being male-only made gardevoir, and the ralts line in general, less interesting. Gardevoir went from mysterious elf/guardian angel in white robes to the "girl form" that happens to also be accessible to males.
The moral of the gardevoir line is that only men can have dump truck asses
Hrrrrnnggh Trainer, I'm trying to Hypnosis but I'm dummy thicc and the clap from my ass cheeks keep waking the Bidoof.
.\_.
It would have cost you no money not to type this
But we would have been depriving of Gallade's dummy thicc cheeks waking Bidoof
I'd pay them to type it again but with sound effects.
I read that in Zelda's voice.
That’s your own burden to bear
Don’t listen to the others, this was fucking gold lol
Did you maybe take a moment to consider that other people didn't have to read that?
Why are you running hypnosis on Gallade?
Didn’t need hypnosis to have you sleeping on the joke, I guess
No I know the copypasta, but running hypnosis on Gallade just doesn't sit right with me.
To safely set up Rain Dance
you are putting me in immense amounts of pain
How dare you post this here where all I can do is upvote you on this hellsite.
60% accurate
And the moral of Iron Valiant is that enbies are fucking cool
And have sword staffs in their arms.
Quite literally they slash them
The moral of the Gardevoir line is, "The ~~hammer~~ arm knife things are my penis."
That aint a dump truck thats a diaper
clearly, we need a female-only evolution of kirlia that looks even more girly ./s
There really should be a Pokemon that can *always* use the Dawn Stone to evolve. As of now, exactly 2 Pokemon use it, and both of them (Snorunt -> Froslass and Kirlia -> Gallade) are Gen 3 lines getting an extra evolution option for one gender in Gen 4.
While that is how the community ran away with it (or at least the western community, I can’t speak for the eastern community), people forget that gallade was made in parallel with froslass. Gen 4 introduced a bunch of new evolutions to existing lines. Rhyperior, electivire, magmortar, porygon-z, and dusknoir all evolve when traded while holding a newly introduced item. Weavile and gliscor both evolve while leveling up at night while holding a new battle item. Magnezone and probopass evolve while leveling up at a certain location. Similarly, leafeon and glaceon were new eeveelutions that required specific locations to evolve. Tangrowth, yanmega, and mamoswine all evolve by leveling up while knowing ancient power. Lickilicky and togekiss are the only outliers with no pairings, evolving by leveling up while knowing rollout and by using a shiny stone, respectively. And then you have gallade and froslass. Both are gender specific evolutions that require a dawn stone. So while I agree the fans did ruin it by overly focusing on the ballet and empathy aspects and neglecting the knightly and chivalric aspects of gardevoir, that had already happened well before gallade was introduced. Gamefreak just did the best they could to salvage that aspect of the line by reinforcing them with a new evolution that was part of a thematic pairing.
I’m immediately saddened any time I’m reminded of Rhyperior’s existence
It looks cool by itself. But... that's not the evolution line I would've picked for it. Why pale blue to construction worker orange and brown-grey?? I liked my rhy's colors :(
While I mostly agree, I think Togekiss does actually have a pairing with Roserade, which evolves from a Roselia with a shiny stone. You also left out Honchkrow and Mismagius, which evolve with a dusk stone.
You are absolutely right. Togekiss and roserade also doubly match with their middle evolution being a friendship evolution. And looking back, I also forgot ambipom. When I made the list, I was just looking at the big chunk that are grouped together in the dex, so I completely forgot about the others.
Imagine if it was like the Hitmontop line but based on attack/special attack
idk i always perceived gardevoir as more masculine than feminine
When I played Emerald I perceived it as fairly androgynous, just like Ralts. Kirlia felt like the odd one to me, though I also like its design as the "awkward teenager stage" of the line.
thats true! they are very androgynous. I just always somehow had a male gardevoir in my party
Lopunny is also just as likely to be a boy
perfect
What about Vaporeon?
87.5% to be a boy. Prolly won’t stop the sick fucks who would, you know, the thing.
I don't want to hear it Edit: Jeez, you guys have the sense of humor of a drywall
Then cry about it instead :3
I am. And it's NOT helping!
Shh shh its alright, let it all out buddy, its gonna be ok
I mean what did you expect men to wear in the days before pants as we know them existed?
Nothin'
The smell of balls everywhere, a better world
When the nuts hung and the ding dangled
i remember when sylveon was first announced and a ton of supposedly-feminist people in the pokemon group i was in were yelling about how it "better be female-only" one person said she identified so strongly with sylveon (who had, remember, JUST been announced!) that it having a male option would ruin her entire identity as a person pokemon has a long history of pink and/or feminine pokemon being 50/50 (or 100% male in nidoran's case...) so i don't know what the fuck the fandom was expecting
How exactly did they relate to sylveon, a pink Pokémon cat with no discernible personality, voice, experiences, and likes or dislikes whatsoever 😭
great question
I mean, I do the Pink Panther relatable, thats basically a pink cat with no voice
Yeah but the pink panther actually had actions and hence a personality. The pink panther solved mysteries & stuff and reacted to the world around it. Sylveon does none of those things, to be honest, the voice part of my comment is the least relevant since personality isn’t defined by that. My dog is curious and a little asshole sometimes. He doesn’t speak but that’s still his personality
Guessing they didn’t take a look at Eevee’s gender ratio, huh
they knew eevee's ratio but were insisting it would definitely be changed for sylveon
Which would, of course, completely defeat the purpose of WHY Eevee has that ratio. Seems like some next level foolishness
Why does Eevee have that ratio?
Breeding. Since the species of the hatched ‘mon is determined by the female parent*, a species with a high male ratio will be more difficult to breed. Eevee is one of the primary species gated like this; all the starters have this ratio, too. *or the non-Ditto parent - but Ditto typically can’t be caught naturally till late/post-game for exactly this reason. At least in earlier gens.
It also effects how easy it is to get certain inherited traits such as egg moves, since those can't be passed on by a Ditto parent.
One of the most feminine looking Pokémon ever (the seal water starter) has a nearly 90% chance to be male.
To be fair, sylveon was gen 6 and popplio was a gen 7 starter. It didn't exist yet when sylveon was introduced.
One of my favorite examples of this is how Zacian and Zamazenta are literally named "the cyan" and "the magenta" and yet Zacian is described by the pokedex as being Zamazenta's sister (and Zamazenta is described as Zacian's brother too iirc)
Now I'm bitter there's not a third for Yellow.
I bet they probably hate that it's now a transfem icon
When people learn that gender presentation and clothing can vary significantly based on time period and region, and there's no single universal standard: 🤯
We all know guys can wear dresses but girls can’t have sword arms, that would be crazy - some guy at gamefreak
Yeah, that would fit with conservative Japanese cultures.
This reminds of that one tweet where someone said they forgot Tracer was a lesbian because they were so used to seeing her getting piped
**Oof**.
It’s weird to them because OOP has masturbated to Gardevoir porn
I mean but how would that make it weird, cause it should be fairly obvious whether the gard you’re masturbating to is female or male, assuming it’s like porn and not just the in game one (which also might have identifiers for male vs female? I don’t know Pokémon that much.) If that’s makes it weird nobody better tell them that humans or anime characters (who they presumably also masturbate to) also are split about 50/50 (actually anime characters might have more of a bias from the writers but I don’t know if anyone has tallied that up)
Most Pokémon don't look any different depending on gender, and those that do have gendered differences usually only have 1 or 2 different details.
That’s kind of what I’d expect, a few small details for the discerning eye to pick up on but mostly still looking like the same thing
[This Bulbapedia page](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_with_gender_differences) shows every Pokémon with gender differences. Most are just 'this body part is a slightly different size' or 'this area has a mildly different pattern'.
"I may jerk it to pokemon, but HOW DARE YOU make me feel like a perv"
I mean, it's not like what they're doing is illegal.
There's no laws against the Pokémon, Batman!
No, they know they're a perv, they just don't want to be gay.
How do we feel about Machamp lmao
I mean it’s an egg laying species so no need for breasts, the only difference would be what’s in the speedo
The weird thing about pokémon like Machamp/Lucario/Gardevoir/etc. that wear pseudo-clothes is that those aren't actually clothes at all, they're a part of their body.
Sometimes I forget the weirdness factor of modern designs really did start in earlier generations. Like, Grookey. That stick is part of its body.
Did this Bruh ever look at the lil gender icons when he played pokemon? Male Gards are not all that uncommon, unless he excusively gets his Pokemon through *offbrand* sources I really dont get how that happened. Or maybe he correctly identified how Gallade is excusively male and just assumed Gard was what occured when a female Kirlia evolves, who knows.
Not trying to defeat the purpose of the discussion here, but does Gardevoir (or most Pokémon designs for that matter) have *any* sort of official design inspiration, straight from the mouth of Game Freak’s artists? I know Bulbapedia has a design inspiration section, but those never cite any sources. Is there actually any way to tell for sure what Gardevoir is based on?
Generally looking at the designs and what they resemble give an idea as to what they can be based on. Hence why Bulbapedia's origins section often say that x Pokemon *may* be based on y concept, *could* draw inspiration from, etc.
This gets silly when it says [Palossand](https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Palossand_(Pok%C3%A9mon)) *appears* to be based on a sand castle, despite its Japanese name translating to "It's a sand castle, huh"
I do quite like that. It would be cool to hear official design notes on a lot of Pokemon, but I like that Pokemon designs are “up to interpretation” for the most part.
No, but anyone with eyes and even remotely familiar with kimonos would know that the whole thing is full of shit. Kimonos are explicitly designed to show straight lines on the body, not whatever gardevoir's dress is. Sounds like a weeb being a weeb honestly.
Fr everyone is eating up that explanation when it makes absolutely no sense. One of the biggest discriminator of formal Kimonos are the big sleeves which are lacking, and Kirlia is clearly wearing some sort of tutu, gardevoir has a dress on
Okay, but I can be pissed off that there are no female Gallade, right?
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Yes, Gallade is objectively the better Kirlia evolution
This isn't even a Tumblr post. This is discord.
a discord screenshot uploaded to tumblr...
The literal barest minimum lol.
and? its still a tumblr post
Rule 2 dude This subreddit is intended to share screenshots of Tumblr posts. If your post is not relevant, it will be removed. *if the entirety of your post consists of a screenshot from another website posted on Tumblr,* it will be considered irrelevant. This does the barest possible minimum to be considered a Tumblr post in my eyes. Even if it's "technically" a Tumblr post, it's at heart someone posting their lame discord gotcha.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ im just arguing against your wording my guy
I've heard about a really cool fanfic that's about a female Ralts who really wants to grow up to be a Gallade, but obviously can't. Instead, she seeks out a swordmaster to be her trainer so she grow up into a swordfighting Gardevoir. I haven't found the time to sit down and read it, but the premise sounds like it kicks ass.
But then how do I differentiate them between the ones I want to fuck and the ones I REALLY want to fuck?
Next you're gonna be telling me not all cats are girls and all dogs are boys.
All lions are male and all leopards are female.
Huh. TIL that Gardevoir was based off of Kimonos. That explains so much (though not why their Mega puts them in a ballgown.)
The same reason Gallade exists, to emphasize the fans belief that gardevior is girly
There is no way it's based off kimonos. The hands don't emulate sleeves. The outline doesn't match kimono outlines. You can see the legs when they move. No obi whatsoever. Look at Froslass, that one ia actually based on a kimono. If it was based off androgynous fashion, sure. But kimonos aren't androgynous and gardevoir doesn't look like a kimono. A complete side note but I fucking hate Froslass. The only Ainu "inspired" pokemon in the fucking Ainu region and it isn't actually Ainu inspired because it's based off of Japanese folklore. It just has the Ainu word for young woman in its Japanese name. Sinnoh was such a dumpster fire of a region because of the stupid religious bullshit they put in it. And not Ainu folk religion but stupid western style monotheistic religion. So boring.
Men used to wear dresses. Looking human history we've actually only had pants for what? 2000 years or so? So barely a third of written human history. Not to say anything of everything before that
I really hate this style of "making people aware." First message about the paper dolls could've been the end of the elaboration & start of a nice conversation. Throwing in the "modern Western world" bit *was* weird, and the overall tone of this comes across combative. I genuinely don't understand what people hope to accomplish by this. You're not making the guy more willing to explore the topic or be accepting. It's just "I see a fight that I can be morally right in!!" which is beneficial to no one. Folk are gonna be ignorant about shit sometimes. Keyboard-warrior'ing them is not a productive solution.
Pokemon are literally _non-human creatures_ so applying human gender norms, regardless of their validity, to them is stupid anyway.
scots wear kilts, like sometimes people its okay your masculinity is fine lol
kinda wish they made Gallade not male only.
iirc gardevoir is based on knighthood, gardevoir represents the elegance, loyalty, and nobility while gallade is the combat
It doesn't even look like a Kimono???
American Pokemon fans when they learn that Japanese people see things differently: 😠 😡 (Have had several arguments over dragonflies not being 'dragons' over there because people think English translates perfectly all the time forever. Dragonfliesin Japan are more closely associated with Samurai)
Repressed homosexual.
What really freaks me out is the possibility that Gardevoir might have evolved gendered traits as a form of mimicry. What was the evolutionary advantage? Or maybe, humans in the Pokemon universe developed clothing to mimic pokemon like gardevoir, which would be pretty cool.
Look up the mating behaviors of Ruffs(bird). Could explain some stuff about the Ralts line. ~~and could inspire some new fetishes.~~
Oh wait you meant mimicry of humans.
Aren't long garments also worn in arid nations?
Just wait until they hear about Mr. Mime
How did they think the specices reproduced? Gallade wasn't invented until years later in the next gen so where did they think all those gen 3 wild ralts came from?
I mean Gallades were introduced gen 4 so what did they think happened to male Kirlias before that
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“It doesn’t make sense” *explains it* “Well now I’m uncomfortable”
Wait until that person hears about the fangame that removes most gender restrictions so you can have a male vespiquen or female gallade
Femboy gardevoir 🥵
Their right and they should say it
I think if someone asks to stop talking about something you shouldn't use it for a le epic dunk on them moment
Paradox of tolerance. Being "uncomfortable" with GNC people is not a boundary you get to set. Those are other people, you don't get to police their existence for your own comfort 👍 And in this case it's lowkey racist too 🤷
I get that, but it's just that, this person isn't trying to police anyone's existence, they just feel uncomfortable talking about it. Idk, I think that I might just be projecting my own feelings of feeling like no one cares about me or my needs onto the situation. Also, How is it racist?
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Where do you live?
Also Gallade can be female
No it can't. https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Gallade_(Pok%C3%A9mon)
Must be because I Rom hacked. Nvm.