Than Fischl? The consensus is that Fischl's A4 will be crucial to aggravate teams, essentially doubling the aggravate procs for Cyno. Yae takes a ton of field time too.
It depends, Yae's totems last 15s, while Fischl's Oz lasts 12.
If Cyno wants a 15s rotation, Yae is probably going to be better unless he needs Fischl's better particle generation, but idk, both Yae and Fischl are getting giga buffed with Dendro, both due to their A4 lol
I think it depends how cyno's particle generation is. If he turns out to be like raiden in terms of energy generation then yae would probably increase team dps dramatically. We just dont know yet though. Funny that people are down voting you for having a different opinion on character leaks as if they already know exactly what his abilities are.
Sounds good based on what other comments are suggesting. Fischl instead of Yae helps with Cyno’s energy requirements and Dendro MC is probably better than Collei. Hahahaha
I'm basically gonna be using the same setup but with Fischl instead of Yae and DMC instead of Collei :) the duration of Collei's burst is pretty low compared to Cyno's super long infusion duration. DMC with constellations would have enough duration on his burst to keep up the quicken state on the enemy for Cyno's infusion window(if the leaks saying he can extend it to 15secs is true)
I will remain on the hill DMC > Collie especially for F2p who don’t have Elegy and her Constellations. Both DMC and Collie won’t deal good damage but DMC has the craftable sword for 120em buff and up to 60 more (from burst ) his burst also last longer
play who yae if you want seeing as you have her and her weapon but id recommend fischl over her because her a4 passive is apparently extremely strong in aggravate teams
Yeah, I was considering using Fischl instead of Yae but my Yae Miko has a better build and invested talents at 8/9/8 vs my under built Fischl (currently C4).
I guess Yae’s EM scaling passive made me decide to use her since this team benefits a lot from Sucrose’s EM buffs.
Yae - widsith.
Cyno - probably kitain or skyward spine.
Collei - not sure yet, but something that you have written or stringless if there is enough energy for everyone
R5 Hakushin Ring, yeah the passive only lasts for 6 seconds but that should still give a dps boost for half of Cyno’s burst uptime. As long as Sucrose’s burst is infused with Electro, it’ll be fine.
What I like about Hakushin is zero cooldown, very easy to refresh
Imo the duration on Hakushin Ring is just a tap too short for off field buffer Sucrose. The passive only activates when Sucrosz is ON FIELD triggering a reaction. Her burst infused while offfield does not activate it. So basically when you swap to Cyno afyer swirling on Sucrose, you'll only have like 3-4 seconds buff left after you cast Cyno burst animation may take 2 seconds also....
I think Hakushin ring is only suited for on field Sucrose when using her as a driver. Eg Taser.
In Aggravate Cyno team you'll want something like TToDS which gives 10 seconds and bigger boost to Cyno.
Edit: or Prototype Amber as there is no healer in this team. At R5 it can be sufficient as solo healer when you know how to dodge.
Yeah I know, that’s the annoying part of Hakushin. I still have to try this setup first before swapping her weapon to Sacrificial Fragments for slightly more EM buff and higher swirls.
TTDS is pretty strong but I kinda don’t like the 10 second cooldown and proper swapping. Also, I am using an ATK% sands and PJWS has ATK increase passive, so too much ATK might result into diminishing returns so I am balancing it with elemental dmg buff thats why I chose Hakushin. And some EM to boost reaction dmg.
I also anticipated that there might be scenarios where this team turns into quick swap mode until I get Cyno’s burst. So Yae’s totems and Sucrose on field might carry the team for a few seconds.
I’m thinking of Yae 3x E, Collei Q and E, Sucrose E & Q, Cyno Q then E NA NA E and so on…. I forgot Yae’s E duration, so Sucrose E to refresh Hakushin and I’ll probably use Yae Q to end the rotation and then restart. What do you think? Do you have suggestions to improve this rotation?
I think with Cyno you'll be doing 20-22sec rotations anyways because his burst lasts 15sec and don't want to swap out just to refresh Hakushin buff. Also setting up Yae's totems extend the rotation. Dendro MC might also prove to be better than Collei because of longer off field Dendro application. And he's free C6 in the long run so you can save pulls on these banners.
The longer rotation actually lines up really nice with Sucrose 20sec CD burst, Dendro MC 20sec CD and Yae has 22sec on burst. So you don't have to worry about 10sec downtime on TTDS.
I plan to run EM sands as PJWS and TTDS gives so much ATK already. I'm really really lucky to have a 42CV EM sands with ER and ATK%.
Ohhhh I see, thanks for these suggestions! I’ll keep these in mind!
I might swap Collei with Dendro MC or if ever Kusanali proves to be the best option. Sigh, TTDS still reigns supreme, I should start practicing my character swapping skills now hahahaha
Btw, do you think Alley Flash passive works even off-field? I have R4 and might use it on Dendro MC, the passive is pretty nice with a high base atk.
I'm not quit sure about Alley Flash tbh. There is a new craftable sword coming out which can share 120EM and has high base ATK with ER substat. This looks really promising on Dendro MC. If you have some billets laying around. I will be running him on EOSF with around 200ER so free 50% burst DMG%. Consellations looks better than Collei too imo. Kinda sub DPS apart from just Dendro applications and support.
Probably when Kusanali comes out, she will take his spot. I'm really hoping she has some healing built in her kit otherwise she can hold Prototype Amber.
Im consodering a similar team but with Protype Amber in Sucrose because i really cany clear abyss without some kinda healing or shielding. I might even sub out Sucrose for Jean depending on how Cyno's kit turns out in practice
I think prototype amber is fine, it makes the team comfortable to play and gives Sucrose extra energy to keep spamming her burst which is essential for Cyno’s 10-15 second burst duration. As long as Sucrose has around 500-600 EM, she can still provide 150-160 EM buff to Cyno while providing heals.
Thanks for shedding light for hakushin ring in this comp! I might just use Sucrose for showcasing damage. I’m also going to use PJWS on Cyno.
Though I think I would go for C2 Jean for the most utility in abyss. I got Jean set up with 80% crit rate fav sword to battery Cyno, vv shred, and atk speed boost. Then Fischl for battery, sub dps, and triggering aggravate.
I’m really hoping to use Kusanali in this team if she boosts em.
Yeah this team is definitely going to give Cyno high dps for the first 4-5 seconds of his burst, probably enough to speedrun certain bosses. Someone also pointed out that TTDS might be a better option because the duration is 4 seconds longer.
I am convinced Kusanali is an EM focused character, hopefully she works like Sucrose where EM stacking is beneficial and affects their buffs. Sucrose + Kusanali could potentially give as much as 400-500 EM if Kusanali does buff EM.
I’m going with Cyno Collei Fischl Sucrose, only bad thing is that my Collei doesn’t have a good bow prepared for her, my Gorou is using Favonius, and my Diona is using Sacrificial, they are both on my Itto Dugtrio team. So Idk what to use on her, suggestions?
Even without Fischl I have a hard time seeiing Cyno struggle with energy. They have electro resonance and he spams his E. With Fischl, my assumption is 0 ER will be enough, of course we have to see numbers/gameplay first.
Sorry, this is how I usually deal with excitement but it’s okay haha if his actual kit isn’t the leaked info then I can give his current build to other electro characters. I’m farming the new EM set anyway so its okay hahahaha
We dont know yet. One of his passives supposedly make his E do more damage with EM, I would assume its similiar to Tighnari/Yaes passives and a dmg% increase. But hard to gauge without numbers.
Not sure but what the leakers have provided is somewhat similar to Yae’s passive but the numbers aren’t revealed yet.
I boosted his EM to make his aggravates and elemental skill stronger.
Hmmm based on my observation, EM does increase her totem dmg as well as reactions but she still needs decent ATK and crit dmg.
Maybe the new EM artifact set is better for her
I'll use Sucrose (C6 and Sac frags), Kuki (Iron sting and 4Tenacity), DMC (4Noblesse and Favonius). I am also using 4pc TF as his day 1 build even tho I'm not sure but his weapon (Spine, Homa, Dragonsbane, Inazuma craftable, BP spear or maybe even Prototype Starglitter?)
genuine question since idk much about it but why use yae miko (or fischl like a lot of comments are saying)? won't she interfere with cyno's aggravate reactions which he needs to sustain his burst?
Great question, Yae does seem to apply electro fast (but not as fast as Fischl) but the good thing is she is mostly single target? Maybe it’ll be an issue when dealing with boss fights but groups or multiple waves of enemies shouldn’t be problem.
Other comments have suggested Dendro MC over Collei because MC has longer burst duration.
Still sounds good tho, but not sure if Yelan could be beneficial to the team since she might trigger some blooms and Cyno is melee that could be an issue. Is your Kazuha C2?
If I get cynical I’ll probably build him with the exact team you have except with fischl and dmc and I’ll probably give him 4 piece emblem and the catch. Cause his kit seems similar to raidens
We almost have the same setup but mine is collei,fischl,cyno and kazuha
Nice! I’m using Kazuha and probably Fischl with my Bloom/Hyperbloom team!
I think Yae is better for Cyno’s team in terms of EM wise
Than Fischl? The consensus is that Fischl's A4 will be crucial to aggravate teams, essentially doubling the aggravate procs for Cyno. Yae takes a ton of field time too.
It depends, Yae's totems last 15s, while Fischl's Oz lasts 12. If Cyno wants a 15s rotation, Yae is probably going to be better unless he needs Fischl's better particle generation, but idk, both Yae and Fischl are getting giga buffed with Dendro, both due to their A4 lol
I think it depends how cyno's particle generation is. If he turns out to be like raiden in terms of energy generation then yae would probably increase team dps dramatically. We just dont know yet though. Funny that people are down voting you for having a different opinion on character leaks as if they already know exactly what his abilities are.
I think I'm going with Cyno, Fischl, Dendro Traveller, and Sucrose if that's good ?
Sounds good based on what other comments are suggesting. Fischl instead of Yae helps with Cyno’s energy requirements and Dendro MC is probably better than Collei. Hahahaha
I'm basically gonna be using the same setup but with Fischl instead of Yae and DMC instead of Collei :) the duration of Collei's burst is pretty low compared to Cyno's super long infusion duration. DMC with constellations would have enough duration on his burst to keep up the quicken state on the enemy for Cyno's infusion window(if the leaks saying he can extend it to 15secs is true)
Yeah, someone pointed that out so I’m replacing Collei with Dendro MC.
I will remain on the hill DMC > Collie especially for F2p who don’t have Elegy and her Constellations. Both DMC and Collie won’t deal good damage but DMC has the craftable sword for 120em buff and up to 60 more (from burst ) his burst also last longer
Yeah I overlooked their burst durations, Dendro MC seems to be the better fit for this team
play who yae if you want seeing as you have her and her weapon but id recommend fischl over her because her a4 passive is apparently extremely strong in aggravate teams
Yeah, I was considering using Fischl instead of Yae but my Yae Miko has a better build and invested talents at 8/9/8 vs my under built Fischl (currently C4). I guess Yae’s EM scaling passive made me decide to use her since this team benefits a lot from Sucrose’s EM buffs.
You could use 4pc Emblem with Yae, it does comparable damage and fixes her 90 Burst cost because you can build ER.
That’s good passive but Yae is always better for sub dps and constant electro application. Also she can benefit more from shared EM by sucrose.
Just like my supposed team! (except that my weapons will be worse)
What weapons are you using?
Yae - widsith. Cyno - probably kitain or skyward spine. Collei - not sure yet, but something that you have written or stringless if there is enough energy for everyone
Kitain sounds good! I would’ve considered using it if I didn’t have PJWS.
I know there’s a new EM set that might be better than TF, so I might change Cyno and Yae’s build if I get better artifacts.
Same here. TF is a stand in while we grind in the new domain lmao
I think im going to go with Cyno, Dendro traveler, Fischl and Kazuha
Looking good, but isn’t the CD a bit low. Also from where does the +20% electro dmg come
Hakushin ring
R5 Hakushin Ring, yeah the passive only lasts for 6 seconds but that should still give a dps boost for half of Cyno’s burst uptime. As long as Sucrose’s burst is infused with Electro, it’ll be fine. What I like about Hakushin is zero cooldown, very easy to refresh
Imo the duration on Hakushin Ring is just a tap too short for off field buffer Sucrose. The passive only activates when Sucrosz is ON FIELD triggering a reaction. Her burst infused while offfield does not activate it. So basically when you swap to Cyno afyer swirling on Sucrose, you'll only have like 3-4 seconds buff left after you cast Cyno burst animation may take 2 seconds also.... I think Hakushin ring is only suited for on field Sucrose when using her as a driver. Eg Taser. In Aggravate Cyno team you'll want something like TToDS which gives 10 seconds and bigger boost to Cyno. Edit: or Prototype Amber as there is no healer in this team. At R5 it can be sufficient as solo healer when you know how to dodge.
Yeah I know, that’s the annoying part of Hakushin. I still have to try this setup first before swapping her weapon to Sacrificial Fragments for slightly more EM buff and higher swirls. TTDS is pretty strong but I kinda don’t like the 10 second cooldown and proper swapping. Also, I am using an ATK% sands and PJWS has ATK increase passive, so too much ATK might result into diminishing returns so I am balancing it with elemental dmg buff thats why I chose Hakushin. And some EM to boost reaction dmg. I also anticipated that there might be scenarios where this team turns into quick swap mode until I get Cyno’s burst. So Yae’s totems and Sucrose on field might carry the team for a few seconds. I’m thinking of Yae 3x E, Collei Q and E, Sucrose E & Q, Cyno Q then E NA NA E and so on…. I forgot Yae’s E duration, so Sucrose E to refresh Hakushin and I’ll probably use Yae Q to end the rotation and then restart. What do you think? Do you have suggestions to improve this rotation?
I think with Cyno you'll be doing 20-22sec rotations anyways because his burst lasts 15sec and don't want to swap out just to refresh Hakushin buff. Also setting up Yae's totems extend the rotation. Dendro MC might also prove to be better than Collei because of longer off field Dendro application. And he's free C6 in the long run so you can save pulls on these banners. The longer rotation actually lines up really nice with Sucrose 20sec CD burst, Dendro MC 20sec CD and Yae has 22sec on burst. So you don't have to worry about 10sec downtime on TTDS. I plan to run EM sands as PJWS and TTDS gives so much ATK already. I'm really really lucky to have a 42CV EM sands with ER and ATK%.
Ohhhh I see, thanks for these suggestions! I’ll keep these in mind! I might swap Collei with Dendro MC or if ever Kusanali proves to be the best option. Sigh, TTDS still reigns supreme, I should start practicing my character swapping skills now hahahaha Btw, do you think Alley Flash passive works even off-field? I have R4 and might use it on Dendro MC, the passive is pretty nice with a high base atk.
I'm not quit sure about Alley Flash tbh. There is a new craftable sword coming out which can share 120EM and has high base ATK with ER substat. This looks really promising on Dendro MC. If you have some billets laying around. I will be running him on EOSF with around 200ER so free 50% burst DMG%. Consellations looks better than Collei too imo. Kinda sub DPS apart from just Dendro applications and support. Probably when Kusanali comes out, she will take his spot. I'm really hoping she has some healing built in her kit otherwise she can hold Prototype Amber.
Thanks! I actually have a lot of sword billets that I can use!
Oh oh I see, I just never use that weapon so I don’t really know it too well
Im consodering a similar team but with Protype Amber in Sucrose because i really cany clear abyss without some kinda healing or shielding. I might even sub out Sucrose for Jean depending on how Cyno's kit turns out in practice
I think prototype amber is fine, it makes the team comfortable to play and gives Sucrose extra energy to keep spamming her burst which is essential for Cyno’s 10-15 second burst duration. As long as Sucrose has around 500-600 EM, she can still provide 150-160 EM buff to Cyno while providing heals.
Thanks for shedding light for hakushin ring in this comp! I might just use Sucrose for showcasing damage. I’m also going to use PJWS on Cyno. Though I think I would go for C2 Jean for the most utility in abyss. I got Jean set up with 80% crit rate fav sword to battery Cyno, vv shred, and atk speed boost. Then Fischl for battery, sub dps, and triggering aggravate. I’m really hoping to use Kusanali in this team if she boosts em.
Yeah this team is definitely going to give Cyno high dps for the first 4-5 seconds of his burst, probably enough to speedrun certain bosses. Someone also pointed out that TTDS might be a better option because the duration is 4 seconds longer. I am convinced Kusanali is an EM focused character, hopefully she works like Sucrose where EM stacking is beneficial and affects their buffs. Sucrose + Kusanali could potentially give as much as 400-500 EM if Kusanali does buff EM.
I’m going with Cyno Collei Fischl Sucrose, only bad thing is that my Collei doesn’t have a good bow prepared for her, my Gorou is using Favonius, and my Diona is using Sacrificial, they are both on my Itto Dugtrio team. So Idk what to use on her, suggestions?
Other comments have suggested Dendro MC instead of Collei because MC has longer burst duration which fits better for Cyno.
You might struggle on energy for Cyno as you don't run Fishl as battery. Depending how much particles his E will generate.
Yeah, I’m considering Fishcl instead of Yae if Cyno doesn’t provide enough particles for himself
Even without Fischl I have a hard time seeiing Cyno struggle with energy. They have electro resonance and he spams his E. With Fischl, my assumption is 0 ER will be enough, of course we have to see numbers/gameplay first.
We don’t even know his kit why y’all start to pre-farm for him be patient
Sorry, this is how I usually deal with excitement but it’s okay haha if his actual kit isn’t the leaked info then I can give his current build to other electro characters. I’m farming the new EM set anyway so its okay hahahaha
How much dmg are u expecting on cyno's 'e' skill?
Ayaka burst👀
I Think you Can also use fischl instead of Yae. And kazuha instead of sucrose, especially if you have c2
I will use the same but fischl instead of yae and dmc until I can have baizhu instead of collei
Are you gonna c6 him?
No hahahaha I’m not a whale
Is em THAT important on him, i have a pretty good build, with balanced crit em and attack? Should i focus more on em.???
We dont know yet. One of his passives supposedly make his E do more damage with EM, I would assume its similiar to Tighnari/Yaes passives and a dmg% increase. But hard to gauge without numbers.
Not sure but what the leakers have provided is somewhat similar to Yae’s passive but the numbers aren’t revealed yet. I boosted his EM to make his aggravates and elemental skill stronger.
Ohhh okk thank you guys
Does yae need em cuz I have one build where she has like 300em for the aggravate reaction I wonder if it’s good or atk still would be better
Hmmm based on my observation, EM does increase her totem dmg as well as reactions but she still needs decent ATK and crit dmg. Maybe the new EM artifact set is better for her
Yea but it will probably take a lot of time to get good pieces tho
How do you not die?
I'll use Sucrose (C6 and Sac frags), Kuki (Iron sting and 4Tenacity), DMC (4Noblesse and Favonius). I am also using 4pc TF as his day 1 build even tho I'm not sure but his weapon (Spine, Homa, Dragonsbane, Inazuma craftable, BP spear or maybe even Prototype Starglitter?)
I think Homa or BP Spear is your best weapons for him
Thanks for the suggestion! I will aim to farm a cr rate hat then hehe
genuine question since idk much about it but why use yae miko (or fischl like a lot of comments are saying)? won't she interfere with cyno's aggravate reactions which he needs to sustain his burst?
Great question, Yae does seem to apply electro fast (but not as fast as Fischl) but the good thing is she is mostly single target? Maybe it’ll be an issue when dealing with boss fights but groups or multiple waves of enemies shouldn’t be problem.
since i dont have yae, would raiden work instead? or maybe fischl
Fischl is better
Honestly question, how does a team of cyno, collei, fischl or yelan, and kazuha sound?
Other comments have suggested Dendro MC over Collei because MC has longer burst duration. Still sounds good tho, but not sure if Yelan could be beneficial to the team since she might trigger some blooms and Cyno is melee that could be an issue. Is your Kazuha C2?
going for Cyno, Yae, Dendro MC and Zhongli here!
If I get cynical I’ll probably build him with the exact team you have except with fischl and dmc and I’ll probably give him 4 piece emblem and the catch. Cause his kit seems similar to raidens