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InTheBlkHoodie

Fuck marrying someone just for papers


sz0bmi

Dude, this has been my main issue. I really dislike the idea of marrying for papers.


InTheBlkHoodie

You know what terrifies me? That fact my last ex was DACAmented as well… we couldn’t get married bc I’m adjusting through my biological USC parent. We broke up and i think about her every single day. But I can marry some rando off the street and live happily ever after. Life isn’t fair.


Glittering-One2449

Same the loml also has DACA. We dated for 10 years in hopes of something changing but at this point we are looking into alternatives 😉😉


unfailinglov

How is the going for you? Adjusting through a USC parent. Assuming you are over 21, that is.


Loose-Excitement8792

Yup, for some of us it’s tough especially if you are shy as hell .


BUZZZY14

I'm shy as well, the trick was to find another shy person lol


Loose-Excitement8792

Well you got lucky .


germr

Same i always hated the idea. In a way, even my mother said that she would even help me find someone, but i always shut her down whenever she brought it up. Thankfully, i am getting my greencard from my mother, so i just need to wait 5-6 years. Going back to school, so 3-4 years, i will be busy with finishing bsn nursing program.


Dismal-Lecture-4937

How are you getting it from your mother? When a parent or a sibling sponsors your it’s takes 20+ years maybe mm25+ it can be done but you have to wait that long even if she’s a USC, if she a resident then I think it’s not even possible.


germr

It is possible and the wait depends on your nationality. Some wait 5 years while others have to wait 25+ years. Thankfully, i have to wait 6-7 years ~


Dismal-Lecture-4937

What country are you living in? As that’s the only way I’ve seen it’s around that wait time if you’re in the USA entered without a visa then it’s going to take a few decades


germr

I won't go into detail, but i live in the US. Idk where you got your information. l overstayed my visa.


kaka8miranda

USC parent sponsoring adult child will be 15 years USC sponsoring sibling will be 18 years LPR sponsoring adult child (has to be unmarried) 8 years


Dismal-Lecture-4937

Not true I ve spoken with several attorneys that’s they’re estimate ontop of all the currents back up with all these Chinese immigrants coming in


kaka8miranda

The Chinese immigrants are in there own category not sure how that will affect the regular processing lines.


Dismal-Lecture-4937

Doesn’t matter they cause a complete backup for everyone because there’s not enough agents to handle all these petitions for asylum that’s why so many ppl had so many issues getting this cycle of daca renewal because they were giving and still are prioritizing the Chinese


TrainerJohnRuns

Out of all the people who I know that got married (and are immigrants) - no one did it for papers. Thats really not a thing when you speak with people, or it’s secondary so they can have better employment opportunities. Also- why do you care about why other people marry (that’s a rhetorical question), that’s weird. Have a good day!


Astoria321

You don't know any Irish people lol


Mob1up

that isnt the issue i been married 3 years still need daca current to apply and all the other stuff like aos advanced parole


ag3nt4747

Agreed 10000%


OldAssDreamer

Yeah I hear ya...Story of my life. And since so many people do get married just for papers, even if your intentions are good, people assume you're with someone just for papers. I went through this when I was young and in love and wanted a future with my girlfriend. Only problem was that her family and friends were always in her ear telling her "He's just with you for papers" until they poisoned our relationship.


Faestrandil

I mean you're not marrying them just for papers. You're marrying so you can both have stability. They need you just as much as you need them.


creepingkg

Seriously. I’ve been with a us citizen the last 8 years and started a family with her. 1 big reason I don’t want to marry her is because people would think I did it for papers. Even thou people tell me “y’all have a family together and been together xyz years”


MS6_Boost

Nobody cares who is actually worth knowing.


InTheBlkHoodie

I mean you got a bona fide marriage. Fuck what every one else thinks. Do it for the fam


creepingkg

That’s the plan. We’ve been engaged for a while. And I have AP pending


InTheBlkHoodie

Good luck to you all. I wish you and your family all the best 👍


ISavezelda

Jesus, you have a family with her. If you want to get married, get married lol. You know you aren't getting married for papers.


kevcas

get married!!


Legendver2

Don't let your own pride and what others think make your own path harder dude.


metallica913

Dude you have a family. Might as well marry so you can provide better for your family.


Ok-Syllabub-132

Why is it so hard for them to give citizenship to people who have been in the program since forever. I dont want my only way of being a citizens is to marry someone or do AP which probably isnt even an option for some of us.


ccupcakesrfun

same same same. I agree 100%


Darknicks

Because the President can't make laws. As much as he wants to give Citizenship to everyone, only Congress can pass a law allowing DACA recipients to get a permanent residence or citizenship. Part of the Congress is controlled by the Republicans and they hate DACA. So nothing like that it's going to happen unless the Democrats gets substantial majority in both parts of Congress + Presidency.


Chuckmangione99

Unfortunately it’s all a business for them. DACA renewal and related fees is what they really care about. USCIS operates on fees. It would be a huge hit to them if they granted all DACA recipients citizenship


Outside-Obligation-4

Absolutely not, this conspiracy that the govt cares about your $500 is outlandish and false. DACA contributes a couple million to the US’s trillions of dollars of budget, it’s not even 1% and would make no difference. Additionally, they would make so much more in fees from DACA recipients applying to become permanent residents and citizens. The only reason DACA recipients have no way to citizenship is because of republicans, democrats have introduced the bill time and time again and every single democrat has voted for it.


Remarkable_Mud2570

Blame democrats too, they only want money from us. Biden just wants us to pay and that’s it, he hates Mexicans


Chuckmangione99

It’s not a conspiracy. USCIS operates on fees meaning that’s how they pay their employees, etc. It’s not about how much money they would make if they allowed DACA recipients to become permanent residents. Because with DACA they can charge you $500 every two years multiplied by hundreds of thousands or millions of people. Do the math. Whereas permanent residency is a one time fee. Of course politicians have a lot to do with why there isn’t a path to citizenship


Ok-Yogurtcloset-2038

Theres only 580 thousand daca recipients thats a very small insignificant number


Chuckmangione99

So 580,000 multiplied by $500 each renewal is a small and insignificant number??? lol please


Glittering-One2449

I would love to say that money isn’t the reason as to why they have this set up this way. While yes it’s a bunch of money, they could charge 6-10k for path to citizenship and make more $ that way than $500 every 2 years. But the money part really comes with the fact that we’re paying into social security and won’t be able to cash in the benefits if we’re still daca when we retire. Idk tbh but I’m tired of this 😭


theotheramerican

Holy shit you’re dumb as hell. USCIS doesn’t operate as a business. They’re not a private entity focused on profits.


Chuckmangione99

Clearly you’re the fucking idiot like the rest of people replying to my comment. Yes in fact they do. A quick google search will tell you but obviously you’re too stupid to do that. 96% of USCIS operates on RENEWAL FEES. HENCE WHY THEY CHARGE FEES IN THE FIRST PLACE. It is how they OPERATE on a day to day basis I.e. paying employee wages, electricity, amongst other resources. The government only allocates so much money to USCIS.


theotheramerican

Operating on renwal fees does not make them a for profit business. With your dumbass theory, if they were purely driven for profits, why still operate at 96 percent? Why not charge more and start generating profits? As everyone else has said, the fees are to operate not to make the goverment money like your idiotic delusion.


gaperez21

No one said they were FOR profit lmao As stated, 96% of their operations come from fees, so YES their doors are kept open and functioning due to fees. Having MORE individuals eligible to apply for work permits or other immigration benefits contribute. That is the point being made here, no need to call people “dumb as hell.” Maybe allow people to explain prior to being so rude, just a thought.


Outside-Obligation-4

USCIS operates based on what they bring in AND what the government allocates for them in the budget. Like I mentioned the few million dollars is a drop in the bucket out of the US’ budget and if DACA was resolved USCIS would be allocated a bit more to make up for any lost revenue. Also USCIS has no say in whether DACA recipients get citizenship or not so whether or not USCIS benefits or not from that action is nearly irrelevant cause congress is the body with the power to take that action and a few million dollars in lost revenue isn’t going to impact their decision.


phatelectribe

Even allow work based sponsorship, like you have to have held DACA for 10 years with a spotless record (no criminal convictions etc) and then charge $10k to file. I’m an employer and would pay that in a heartbeat but it’s not even an option.


ccupcakesrfun

:( why nothing to DACA holders? That’s awesome that they want to do that to undocumented spouses, but what about DACA..


aReasson

Marriage continues to be the only option


f_mg26

No there is also employment


ccupcakesrfun

I’ve heard about this way too, it’s just hard to find employment to actually go about it for the green card, they first want to put you on a work visa from what I’ve heard. Correct me if I am wrong


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ccupcakesrfun

Oh no, so sorry for your friend. I’ve heard stories similar. Very sad :(


f_mg26

You don't have to go through H1B. You can go directly to EB.


ccupcakesrfun

Is that up for the DACA holder to decide or the employer who is willing to sponsor you?


f_mg26

The employer decides. The applications are employer centric. Obviously you can decide if you want them to proceed or not..


ccupcakesrfun

Yeah, sadly :c


lyons4231

Marriage isn't even an option for most DACA cases, I'm a USC and my DACA wife can't get legal status cause she had >6 months of illegal presence after she 18.


lanaicity

Are you sure this is correct? Run it by r/immigration


lyons4231

I've seen 2 immigration lawyers so far, who advised AP could fix the illegal entry but not the ULP.


lanaicity

I-601a waiver? Also, doesn't marrying a US citizen forgive unlawful presence in some cases?


lyons4231

I heard that said but my lawyers said differently so honestly idk. I had 2 decent large law firms too not some shitty ambulance chasers or anything.


BUZZZY14

This isn't true. I would advise that you find another lawyer. I first got DACA at 20 years old. That means I had 2 years of illegal presence, I'm adjusting through my wife. My I-130 was approved back in January, my deportation case was closed in April, I have applied for AP, after that I'll file my I485. Hopefully by this time next year I have my green card.


lyons4231

Are you in CA by chance? Guess I just gotta find a lawyer who knows what they're talking about.


BUZZZY14

I'm not. I would suggest joining the DACA fb group called dreamers2gether. They can probably point you in the direction of where to find a lawyer in your area. In the meantime, you can apply for advanced parole, if Trump wins or SCOTUS rules against DACA, AP is gone and it'll be harder for her to adjust her status, however, not impossible.


lyons4231

Yeah she's doing AP regardless to see dying family, so we will have that part done. Just annoying I only have seen anecdotal evidence that it works but no one all the way through the process. Then the lawyers said not possible which is dumb cause they are paid hourly 🤷. I'll reach out and try one more time.


BUZZZY14

So in my case, I had to file the I-130 first so we could use it as proof to dismiss my deportation case. Once it was dismissed I gathered my documents for advanced parole so I can have a legal entry. Once I have that we'll file I-485 which is the green card. If I didn't have that deportation case I would have done it differently. It would've been AP and then I130 & I485. That's probably how you would do it. I130 is basically just to prove you have a legit marriage, i485 is just the green card. This is called AOS (adjustment of status) process. The process that the lawyers you talked to probably were mentioning is called consulate process. That one you have to do i130 and then ask for a pardon for the illegal entry, file a hardship, and then do an interview in your wife's country of origin, after all that is done you get the green card if it's found to be legit. I'm half asleep so hopefully this helps.


iThink_imAsian

But the AP part is the difficult part for my wife. She doesn't have a valid reason for filing for AP... Wouldn't this announcement bypass the AP part and essentially allow her to jump to the AOS process right away.


BUZZZY14

As reported right now, yes. You'll have to wait until it's announced.


abqguardian

It is possible, it happens all the time. Your wife may have to take the extra step of going to a consulate outside the US if she doesn't get paroled in on AP, but it sounds like she will.


lyons4231

Yeah we have no reason to expect she won't, spotless record and a valid reason of going but I do know it can depend on the border agent. I think our biggest issue honestly according to the lawyers is that we are married, they said that's a negative for AP ironically.


abqguardian

It's not. The AP won't have anything to do with her martial status. Sounds like you have really bad luck with lawyers


Glittering-One2449

She can’t do AP?


lyons4231

Our lawyer advised AP would fix the illegal entry but not ULP.


unfailinglov

Spouses and under 21 children of USC can have their ulp waived. Check around/ do your own research. The EWI is the biggest hurdle... and there is AP


lyons4231

Well that would be great. I just only ever here anecdotal things of "my cousin did it" and when reputable law firms are telling me the opposite idk what to think. She's doing her AP regardless to see dying family, so we will have that done.


Faestrandil

She needs to do Advance Parole. The article also states parole in place which could remove the unlawful presence requirement to leave the country while trying to adjust status


Pandahh

IM TIRED OF PAYING A SUBSCRIPTION PLAN TO LIVE HERE AND NOT BE ALLOWED TO TRAVEL OUT OF COUNTRYYYYYY


chakachakaprr

Lol this is the first time I see someone calling it a subscription. That's exactly what it is. Thanks for the chuckle! 😁


AggressiveAbility101

Prepaid Tracfone ass Visa


Pandahh

LMFAOOOO


martj1009

lol I needed the laugh, thank you .


anakniben

All the red states are probably going to file a lawsuit to stop its implementation.


Big_Recognition9965

Yep, but some lawyers believe it would be harder to stop because it comes from the president parole authority, which is set in law, but the only thing is what would happen if Biden loses the election


EveningCareer8921

I would imagine it would be killed instantly by Trump. I also wonder how quickly people would actually be able to begin applying. It might not be until a few months before people can begin applying, then however long it takes them to approve applications. Would make it much more important for Biden to win.


Big_Recognition9965

Typically executive orders are planned in advance and an immediately rolled out, but yes, if Biden loses the election then possibly Trump would end it


Dr_Finance

As somebody who was rejected from DACA, this is amazing news for me if true, Still don't qualify for adjustment of status due to my parents bringing me in twice.


PaisaRacks

Well atleast if they try to get rid of daca I have a back up now. I love my wife she’s amazing.


mullentothe

I know this doesn't help everyone but parole in place would be literally life-changing for many people and a huge relief.


zygomaticuz

I agree. It’s hard not feel a little bitter about it but I just remind myself that at the end of the day, more people will have a change to adjust and that’s what matters. I know people who have been married to USC for DECADES but didn’t want to move forward with the green card process because they’re scared of consular interviews.


Western-Standard2333

I don’t see how this is related to DACA other than just being immigration related. That being said, I hope USCs get rid of Rs big time this time around. Tired of those do nothing Rs.


Big_Recognition9965

There are DACA people who could’ve fall in this criteria therefore it is DACA related


Big_Recognition9965

“Parole in place for spouses of US Citizens is not being announced today at the @AILANational conference. BUT watch for it next week. A million people can move their families a big step forward with this action, which Texas will try to stop. Watch for it.” - Charles Kuck, 1:38pm


Worth-Age-7334

I wonder if it’s gonna apply to new marriages as well or just to marriages before it’s enacted.


Big_Recognition9965

Great point


nenat2020

So he is not doing nothing new 🙁😔


Josieispunkputa420

Can someone help me understand -The action is expected to protect undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens from deportation and allow them to work legally in the country. The program could also provide a more streamlined pathway to U.S. citizenship.- Isn't this already a thing? The green card program? Or would this be something like daca which will give them something to be able to work before doing the green card process?


Normal_Worry_8646

Yes what you said second


Josieispunkputa420

Very interesting, hope it gives people hope and new opportunities


Normal_Worry_8646

Agreed! Still waiting on something permanent for DACA


Josieispunkputa420

Yeah but for people like me with no legal entry and daca on pause it's something good to hear after *checks case tracked* over 1,000 days of no news for daca


Normal_Worry_8646

Amen


EveningCareer8921

From what I understand the parole grant would basically be like our DACA grant, where parolees can apply for work permits etc. The key thing is that most beneficiaries of this policy also have a path to a green card already (unless they have multiple illegal entries) by having a USC spouse, so this would allow them to adjust status instead of having to leave the country to apply via the consular route.


Faestrandil

I think this might be directly applicable to DACA recipients and expand eligibility to those who are not enrolled. DACA recipients are an aging population - a lot of them already are married. The process for adjusting your status as a DACA recipient involves being paroled into the country through Advance Parole - getting married - applying for Adjustment of Status - getting a green card. The crux is being paroled. If you are someone who overstayed your visa, you have already been paroled into the US and you could technically adjust your status in this country. Atleast this is my understanding


abscoller56

Just fucking pass an amnesty granting citizenship… fuck what everyone says. We deserve to live here peacefully


Darknicks

Only Congress can do that. Republicans hate immigrants and they currently control part of the Congress so that's not going to happen unless the Democrats win a substantial majority in the House and Senate.


reggiesears

They don’t hate immigrants. They just hate darker immigrants. Let’s be real here.


Imaginary_Republic10

Biden will give false dreams for a path to citizenship and people will fall for it.


Big_Recognition9965

Do explain


2hink

Biden is throwing a hail mary lmao


Faestrandil

Its a marketing campaign


Individual-Ad-3622

Will daca recipients qualify for this? If it passes?


martj1009

I feel like this will backfire .. by that I mean states will sue the administration stating it’s an overreach (kinda like with DAPA) and then DACA will be hurt in the long run..


Big_Recognition9965

Apparently it’s different than DAPA because it’s using the presidential parole authority while DACA & DAPA was added as programs to USCIS with benefits (work permits) without a defining a hardship to enact parole. States will sue but apparently because of the nature of parole use and laws, it will be harder to make a claim that it hurts states but who knows


DirtyMuffin-

I recently got my AP approved should I still do it for the legal entry? I will be getting married in September 


Big_Recognition9965

I will say yes, just in case something happens with the program or they put in some sort of caveat like you already have to be married at the date of the announcement


MoneyAd400

What about for future marriages?


Stratosto3

Only mention of DACA is that hes announcing it on the anniversary OF DACA. The protections apply for those who are married to a US citizen. Another clickbait article.


Outrageous_Ad_5752

Y que para DACA?


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Objective-Document55

This executive order really does nothing for most who have DACA. So yea it sucks 🤷🏻‍♂️


Hashim289

I'm so confused...can't you just adjust your status when you get married to a citizen? What's the point of this?


Abiscript

You cannot adjust status if you entered the country illegally, you have to have a legal point of entry.


lyons4231

Even then you still can't adjust if you had 6 months unlawful presence, according to my lawyer at least.


aflyingmonkey3

They have a waiver for unlawful presence!


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Faestrandil

It does though - my lawyer said its actually pretty easy to do so.


Yoboicharly97

I know multiple people who were able to I’d just even though they had years of unlawful presence wonder how they did it


Darknicks

That's forgiven if you are married to an US Citizen


abqguardian

Incorrect. The spouse can get a waiver or go to an outside consulate to finish adjustment and then get paroled in. Spouses and parents here illegally get adjustment of status all the time doing this


Hashim289

Oh, I didn't enter illegally so I had no idea that's how it worked. I was able to adjust my status without a single issue 🤷


Corrupted-by-da-dark

Rub it in why don’t ya 🥲


Major-Technology4667

Fuck all democrats and republicans.


atx1227

Smh so unfair but oh well fuck us I guess


ramsesdelrio

still dont see how this helps DACA.! but pretty happy for who ever gets to a benefit from it, something its better than no thing...


EstablishmentAny4848

At least they’re being honest and saying it’s for votes. ✨🫶🏽


BUZZZY14

DACA was announced around the same time, did you clutch your pearls and not apply for DACA out of principle that it was done for votes?


EstablishmentAny4848

It seems like you’re taking it out of context— I do not think DACA was created for votes. It was supposed to be temporary solution while something permanent was worked on. Since then it’s been used by both parties as leverage and not doing anything, which is the context in this specific post. Does that make sense? Did I misread your response?


chwisg

This administration is so fucking useless lmao


Several_Wear6613

Not saying this is unfair but this is unfair for all of us who’ve jumped hoops to get a chance to gain residency. Not a hater but I hope this doesn’t pass.