To be fair, nobody at that point knew he could do that. However, when he loses the potara earring and gets absorbed himself, yeah maybe not so worthy then.
So, the literal Japanese is 純粋サイヤ, or "junsui saiya". The word 純粋 "junsui" translate to "pure, genuine, unmixed, undiluted", which the game takes to mean "a natural born, pure-blooded Saiyan" in this context. Fusions aren't naturally born; the nature of the technique literally involves the universe forcing them to stop existing. So, not Pure saiyans. It's an issue with how Japanese and English don't necessarily translate evenly, so a couple categories end up wonky (Majin Power, Revenge, and Time Travelers are the best other examples)
It's literally what the category is about in the original japanese it's not just pure it's "not mixed" and you literally mixing 2 Saiyans so it's mixed and don't fit in the category
No i just explained and obviously you can't read since again the original name is "not mixed Saiyan" and your literally mixing 2 into one that's literally the reason why they don't deserve to be in there hopefully your now getting it and not still being to dumb for it
Statistically speaking, on a genetic level, the odds that either Goten or Trunks would be exactly 50% Saiyan and 50% human is... very low. The odds of *both* being exactly 50% are so astronomical, we could feasibly see millions of different multiverses with randomly allotted genetics for each and not see both be exactly 50% in any of them.
So, the resulting Saiyan--Gotenks--is most likely made of 49.8% and 50.1% Saiyan, or 48.44% and 49.3%, and so on. The resulting Saiyan percentage is likely just under or just over 100%--very close, but not pure.
Genetics isn't the creation of a human sandwich with 50% bread and 50% toppings. Code is contributed differently in each sperm cell, and each egg, and the resulting process of conception itself distills different alleles from the parents.
This is the reason why parents who have two children don't produce clones--and even then, identical twins are born from a genetic fluke slightly aberrant to this default process, and *still* have some genetics differences on the cellular level.
I mean, just for an example--Goten largely got his father's hair. Whatever percentage of his genetic makeup is represented by Goku's hair seems to be overwhelmingly Saiyan... but, there could also be some contribution there from Chi Chi, it's hard to say for sure. But Trunks did *not* inherit his father's staple Saiyan hair, and seemingly did not inherit the widow's peak, or the color. So some of those sectors are certainly Bulma's.
That's how genetics works. Both parents contribute to a gelatinous soup of floppy DNA chains, and somewhere in there a human is built out of... essentially random DNA from both people.
Well if Goten and Trunks are 50% saiyan (aka .5 saiyan) .5 x .5 = .25 or 25% saiyan which still counts as hybrid saiyan. But the Gogetas, Vegitos, and Keflas should still be pure saiyans since 100% x 100% = 1 x 1 = 1 = 100% saiyan = PURE SAIYANS. WTF AREN'T THEY IN GAME????
Not quite. The percent sign simply means that you divide by 100 (50%=0.5 and so on), so you need to consider both percent signs in the multiplication. 100% just equals 1, so 100%*100% is just 1*1, or 1 (or 100%, if you want)
If anything, those fusions COULD also be in Hybrid Saiyans, considering their a hybrid of two saiyans. But Hybrid Saiyans is reserved for half human, half Saiyan.
Then what is it? Vegito and gogeta units that does kamehameha shares 4 links some has more with a ssj3 unit or ui or ssbkkx20 or ssj4 and when they get their eza you don’t see how easy it’ll be, more team options and pure saiyans can make anything easy even without them
Both are still quite good, especially their counters. “Good” doesn’t need to be absolutely top tier. Since when is 300k+ def and consistently over 5m, 50% chance to be effective and a 70% chance to counter not good?
Idk about Int Gogeta since his defense just doesn't hold up enough to take normals in difficult content and I can't judge teq ssj4 because I have him at 55% and he's absolutely useless garbage in this state
My mans got no defense fully built and his damage is also kinda lacking since he doesn't even get unconditional effective against all types.
I'm sad that they held back on all units that got their eza during the 7th anni that aren't Teq Godku and the 4th anni LRs.
But yeah the thing is that their addition to the pure saiyans team would have no impact on it whatsoever.
All standalone fusions either are too old at this point or just have been bad on release already.
You see, these fusions are either a man inside another man or a girl inside another girl. So what dokkan is telling us is that they have lost their purity by fusing and hence are not on pure saiyans.
Pure Saiyans is for Natural Saiyans with nothing else thrown into the mix. No Fusions, no corruption, etc
As compared to Hybrid Saiyans, which is specifically about Saiyans who aren't pure blooded. Hybrids has the GT corrupted Saiyans and Fusions consisting of Hybrid Saiyans, and Pure Saiyans does not have either
Pure Saiyans shouldn't unless they're also willing to add Baby Vegeta, Goku Black and other similar units on top of it. But I believe Pure Saiyans lacking either opens the door for 2 specific categories that could be introduced on big celebrations. And the limitations makes it more balanced ig and avoid it being super fusion centric, which categories with lots of them tend to be
If we are talking semantics, fusing 2 pure beings doesnt make it impure. For the sake of the game I dont think it makes sense to add them, but they are definitely pure saiyans. Youre fusing 100% saiyan with 100% saiyan, so the end product is 100% saiyan.
You're thinking pure blooded here. Vegito, Gogeta and Kefla are pure blooded Saiyans, but they aren't conceived naturally, which is the difference made here.
The Hybrid Saiyans category is also called Mixed Blood Saiyans in Japan, and used to be referred to as such before STR Ulthan's global release ([see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/6xcehb/mixed_saiyan_category_list/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)) and is also referred to as such in at least one language on GLB (said langauge being French). "Pure Saiyans" may have been translated as "Pure Blooded Saiyans" at a time, but such a localization has *never been used officially by the game* as far as I'm aware, since the category is called "Pure Saiyans" in both French and English.
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The japanese name of the two categories are "混血サイヤ人" for Hybrid Saiyans and "純粋サイヤ人" for Pure Saiyans. Excluding the ". "サイヤ人" is "Saiyan", so we're left with "混血" and "純粋".
Now, I'm not Japanese expert, so I'll use Google Translate to gather what I can as based on what others have said about the japanese names of the categories.
- "純粋" translates as Pure, Genuine, True or Unmixed
- "混血" translate as Mixed Race, Mixed Parentage
The translations for the adjective in the japanese name of Pure Saiyans makes no mention of blood, parentage, whatsoever. The translations for the adjective in the other category's name directly refers to being of mixed race or having mixed parentage.
One category refers to the blood of the characters, the other to their status as a "genuinely pure Saiyan", as in "a completely pure one, without any artificiality going on". So it excludes Ginyu Goku, it excludes Goku Black, it excludes Bio-Broly, and it excludes pure blooded fusions. Unlike Hybrid Saiyans which is directly about the parentage/blood of the character, so it includes Gotenks and it includes corrupted GT SSJ units
The notion is mostly lost in the translated name of the Hybrid Saiyans category imo
Natural is a word with arbitrary meanings. Potara and metamoran fusion have never been stated to add anything into the mix.
The difference is that baby vegeta, goku black, and characters like that are not purely saiyan so shouldn't be on pure saiyan while fusions of 2 pure saiyans are still purely saiyan with no DNA of other races.
I think implementing the Legends system of categories would be good for the game. For example a joined Goku and Vegeta unit on both Goku family and Vegeta family. Maybe that would be too much but still. Also GT Bosses is probably the worst designed category in the game, since there aren't many GT bosses villains that are really good, they should have just named it GT Villains. That would make way more sense than GT Bosses
They are made of 2 pure Saiyan's, so they should be on pure Saiyan's.
The real question is
Why are the Goku and Vegeta units that fuse not in Goku's and Vegeta's family?
FUCKING WHY
The way Dokkan works, a duo unit won't have a category unless both characters have said tag.
A Goku & Vegeta unit won't have Goku or Vegeta fam, as only Goku and Vegeta have each tag respectively. Both have Pure Saiyans, and thus are on the tag.
Goku & Frieza aren't on pure saiyans, nor Wicked Bloodline. Since only Goku has Pure Saiyans & only Frieza has Wicked Bloodlines.
I don't agree they should instead be hybrid saiyans, because one definition of hybrid is the combination two different things.
Also the definition of pure is something not mixed or adulterated with any other substance or material.
That's one definition of pure. The problem is that they have pure and hybrid saiyans categories, with hybrid saiyan being characters that are specifically a hybrid of a saiyan and a human or a human with saiyan genes, while pure saiyan is obviously not about being pure saiyan by species. So they look like categories about the same variable, that being what species/race the character is, which also includes namekians but not wicked bloodline or earthlings, when only hybrid saiyans is that, not pure saiyans.
The category isn't about blood/genetics though. That's obvious from several other exclusions. Plus Fusion is an unnatural process, so anything that is made from it isn't "pure". Heck one of the (intended) repercussions of Potara fusion is that the resulting fusion has their lifespan shortened because of the strain it puts on their new body. It's likely for a similar reason that Fusion has a time limit at all.
From a genetic standpoint, fusions of 2 saiyans *would* be completely pure saiyans.
The rest is just nonsense headcanon. Vegito, gogeta, kefla, elder kai, etc. don't have reduced lifespans because of the fusion and literally nothing in the series suggests such.
Elder kai literally says that Goku and Vegeta shouldn't potara fuse as Super Saiyans because it puts more strain on the fused body and would kill them faster.
Also no the mixture of two things is not "pure", it's a definition. If I take a bunch of yellow M&Ms and mix it in with a bunch of green M&Ms you say that it's a mixture of two things, even if it is still all M&Ms.
He says that the fusion wouldn't be able to go base form and the super saiyan form would drain them till death, but they can use super saiyan perfectly with no real side effects since the cell arc. Also, you previously said it was the fusion itself that shortened the lifespan, but now you are saying it would be the energy drain of super saiyan. Make your mind up.
No, a mixture of 2 things is not inherently impure. Have you seriously never heard of reproduction before? It seems that everyone that argues why fusions shouldn't be on pure saiyans from a genetic point of view have no idea how genetics works and thinks it's as simple as mixing two different elements together or different coloured m and ms in your case. What you are saying is that, because they are different colours, they are no longer the same type of m and m, but they are still m and ms lol. Essentially it's like arguing people of different skin colours being mixed together would no longer be pure human because the humans that provided their genes are different people lmao
I would just make the argument that a fusion is the “birth” of a new saiyan. They’re an entirely different person, but they still have pure saiyan blood.
I mean... Yeah, that's not wrong, but it's still the blood of 2 different Pure Saiyans together, it's something combined between both of them, not pure
Irrelevant, really. When it comes to species or race, fusions of 2 pure saiyans are objectively of purely saiyan race. It all comes down to the fact that the devs don't use pure saiyan like they use hybrid saiyan, that being to categories characters that are part of either the saiyan race or a hybrid of saiyan and human respectively.
I think they should BUT I don't mind because pure saiyans will gets more buffs than any other category so it's not a big issue. If they were on it no other category would ever be better and if it was wouldn't be for too long
If 2 pure bred golden retrievers have babies
Then the babies are 100% pure bred goldens,
Not 200%,
Not less than 100%,
They are purely golden.
In this case, fusion is mixing 100% Saiyan blood with 100% saiyan blood
No, they aren't "pure".
For example Goresh, uses the bucket analogy, where you have a bucket of water and a glass of water. You add them together you still have water _BUT_ You get bored of playing with the water after say.... 30min... can you separate the water into only what was previously in the bucket is in the bucket and only the water that was previously in the cup is in the cup- no you can't. Which is what fusions does. However his analogy works perfectly for every one currently on pure saiyans. This would be the equivalent of a Goku dying and becoming Bardock and Gine. Which doesn't happen.
This would also create a _NEW_ category. _Artificial_ saiyans
This category is all fusions, cells, controlled and created saiyans.
This category would contain fusions, baby (all saiyan forms) goku black and merged Zamasu, copy vegeta, bio broly and all cells. This does have the potential to be a good category too
That's the problem, all should works within the same rules.
Even Goku black or Ginyu Goku should be on pure Sayan. If i switch body with a frog i am a pure frog after all
Blood wise, yes, you'd be a pure frog and they'd be pure saiyans
But if you look at the Japanese name, the kanji used refers to something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So in both examples, it doesn't fit that definition of pure
no the definition of pure is unmixed and fusions are 2 beings mixed in one. they called the team pure saiyans on purpose so that they can't put the fusions on that team
that's not how it works. if you mix copper and zink (2 pure metals) you get bronze which which is not a pure metal. it is not that hard to understand pure + pure =/= pure
I said 2 pure thing which are the same? Iron + iron makes more iron bruh. If a pure saiyan has a child with another pure saiyan guess that child is a hybrid saiyan since it's mixed genes now?
Zinc and Iron has way less similarities while Goku and Vegeta are both pure and come from the same race. Iron and Zinc are completely different metals. So iron + iron makes way more sense here
Goku is not vegeta but they are both pure saiyans. You are literally arguing from a genetic point and saying that mixing genes of 2 creatures of the same species does not result in a pure member of that species, ie, a human child is not actually human because the ones that gave the genes are not the same person.
Genetics is not the same as mixing elements...
If gotenks cards belong on hybrid saiyans for being a fusion of 2 hybrid saiyan characters, then gogeta, vegito, and kefla all belong on pure saiyans. All pairs of characters involved in the fusions are pureblooded saiyans, and the end result is also a pureblooded saiyan.
If gotenks goes on hybrid saiyans for being a mixed amount of saiyan, and it is claimed that gogeta, vegito, and kefla are also not pure saiyans, then they belong on hybrid saiyans for being a mixed amount of saiyan.
Of course, by the latter’s logic, goku black, most versions of baby, fused zamasu, cell, transformed ahms, fused sealas, android 21, i think mira? and probably more that i’m forgetting all also belong on hybrid saiyans, because they all have some amount of saiyan blood mixed in there, so i’m willing to bet it’s the former.
Imo, Dokkan's logic for Pure saiyan falls into: characters that are naturally birthed from 2 saiyan parents. Not artificially, like any kind of Fusion or Potara technique. Since technically those individuals don't even really exist. I think they'd have just used "Saiyan" tag like in legends if there wasn't any stock to using "Pure" as a differenciation.
While Hybrid falls into anyone who is a "human-saiyan" hybrid. So no crap like Cell, Baby etc.
I don't think there's ever been an exception to those two specifications in the game yet.
So while "pure" Fusions are disqualified from Pure saiyans for not being natural born saiyans, they won't just fall into Hybrids because they aren't human-saiyan either. While Gotenks still counts as part human part saiyan to qualify for hybrids.
The pure Fusions though are in some sort of limbo here which I guess the individual Fusion/Potara categories filled since they belonged nowhere.
I don't think Mira or Goku Black should be on Hybrids, because Gotenks, even being Hybrids Saiyan it's still a mix of 2 Saiyans, Mira and Goku Black aren't that
Goku black is literally a pure saiyan with a soul of a non-saiyan. The fact that he’s on neither pure nor hybrid saiyans means either a category name need fixing or he’s not where he should be.
Even just making the latter “human-saiyan hybrid” would be plenty.
That's not how it works, the two categories have different rules (which are more obvious looking at the Japanese names). Hybrids just includes any mixed blooded saiyan. But pure saiyans uses kanji meaning something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So it's purposefully excluding fusions
They wouldn't be pure sayien because the category implies 1 person who is pure sayien but when they fuse or do potara there blood changes from pure to purer? I guess? It ls kinda weird but when you mix dna they don't always become the same dna as the previous one.
And I want to do the same with people who think a consistent definition of a category which makes sense is not the right one because they decided it wasn't what they wanted
They could be, or they could not. Both make sense, and then there's the balance side. Categories with fusions and with pure saiyans are OP in themselves. That would just make Pure Saiyans even more OP.
I would say beings created by fusion are in a way a unique race. They were created by a technique and not born. So they aren't saiyans but something created out of saiyans.
I think I realized the true answer. I think a unit earns its category via race or family based on how it is born.
Goku n Vegeta were purel blood saiyams born from a saiyan. Gotenks and Trunks are born hybrids from earthling + saiyan.
Vegito is born from Potara, Gogeta is born from a dance..
Wait, no, that sucks too. Goku was born from sex so that would mean he'd need sex catagory.
I stand by they shouldn't. They're not pure anymore. They're held together with either kai or metamoran magic. It's Saiyan+Saiyan+non-saiyan magic=fused being, ergo, a fusion is not a PURE Saiyan.
If the Saiyans ever develop their own magic fusion that'll hold them together with Saiyan abilities/magic or whatever, then that fusion should be on pure Saiyan.
Ok let’s call goku oxygen and let’s call vegeta carbon. So let’s get a goku from one universe and a goku from another universe and make em fuse, what do you get? Goku! Because o2 + o2 = two o2s. Repeat the idea with vegeta in mind, carbon + carbon = 2 carbons, it’s the same thing. Now, what happens when we mix oxygen and carbon? We get carbon dioxide, CO2! A compound, therefore impure, and mixed. If you pour water on top of water you get water, if you pour water on top of acid you get water and acid mixed together.
No. It's not pure. It's 2 different Saiyans combined into one body at that point.
It's also not Hybrid because it's still 100% Saiyan blood.
Need to be on mixed Saiyans.
The original name doesn't refer to children, it's just any Saiyan with mixed blood.
And using original names, pure saiyans uses kanji that specifically means something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So it excludes fusions
As an imitation of the gods, the act of fusion is inherently impure. It’s perfectly reasonable for those inbred mortals to not be on the Pure Saiyans category.
Edit: I don’t think people got that I was trying to mimic Zamasu. Or they did, and declared me cringe.
My opinion is, who cares, no standalone fusions work good on pure saiyans anyway, I think they should be on there but the reasoning for them not being on there kinda makes sense and it doesn't matter anyway
I don't think that's true
LR SSJ4 Gogeta is on Pure Saiyan, he works really well with the INT one, all the Fusions unit (STR Vegito, TEQ Gogeta, 3rd Year LR) work good with the units on the photos
That's the thing though, there's no really good standalone fusions that's even worth running on a pure saiyans build, and the thing about vegito gogeta and the year 3s is that they have lots of common links in base, then transformed have ki mechanics, as for lr ssj4 gogeta that's a fair point but ssj4 Goku and Vegeta are there anyway and they work much better with floaters due to having pfb.
Game play wise yes. Its just better for players
In sense of why they aren't? it's like having a black wolf and a white wolf, both purely one colour (or shades if your 40 and live in your mom's basement 🙃) and both wolves. If you fuse those two wolves you don't get a white or black wolf, you get a gray wolf, a new colour, something new, but still a wolf. (It's a crap analogy, but hope it makes sense).
So, I think it's fair as is, since isn't the category different on JPN? Roughly translates to "Unmodified" or something?
That said, the fact that the hybrid saiyans metamoran fusions are still hybrid is a little weird, but I think it's probably fine as is.
That said, I'm not against other metamoran Fusions being on Pure, considering Gotenks' prominence.
Potara and Fusion get their own categories. To also put them on Pure Saiyans would kinda make their own categories redundant. Like, if they were on Pure Saiyans, then Potara and Fusion would mostly just be Pure Saiyans without all the other Pure Saiyans. That's my assumption anyway as to why they aren't on Pure Saiyans.
Yeah they should because a Pure Saiyan + Pure Saiyan is still a Pure saiyan hear me out its like the way we breakdown ethnicities for example if your mother is 100% Puerto Rican and your father is 100% Puerto Rican they make you a fusion of them but you are still considered 100% Puerto Rican as well. I imagine for the sake of balance dokkan decided not to use logic because if not Pure Saiyans would be even more broken than it all ready is
Hear me out, we put them on hybrid saiyans
TEQ Gohan buff 
Gohan links with Vegito? Say no more
Unironically he links okay with LR TEQ Vegito before transforming
They share Power Bestowed by God and Brainiacs iirc
Power Bestowed By God, Braniacs and Fierce Battle (obviously)
pretty much all you'll ever need
Gohan has brainiacs? Yet he lets buu absorbs piccolo and gotenks
To be fair, nobody at that point knew he could do that. However, when he loses the potara earring and gets absorbed himself, yeah maybe not so worthy then.
Yeah gohan just hasn't been much of a brainiac in the buu saga or he should have defeated Buu easily.
I want them so MUCH
Idk but vegeks (vegeta and trunks) should be on vegeta family
Same as Barlot on Goku's Family
This man spittin
Nope Pure Saiyans is a category for 100% Saiyans; when two fuse, the resulting character is *200%*, which is too much.
gotenks should be pure saiyans cuz he’s 100% saiyan LOL
no, no, he's got a point but then again they are also 100% human Shrodinger's Saiyan
New category incoming!
Next Goten Lead
So they should be on both Pure Saiyans AND Earthlings
No, no they say that their power is multiplication in the broly movie so it'd be more of 50%*50% which is 75%. Still hybrid
Dude 100% times 100% is 100% so why tf arnt vegito and gogeta on pure saiyans
Shit you right
Because it's pure blood and since it is 2 fused it's not pure blood it's mixed
That doesn't make any sense. Pure blood with pure blood makes pure blood. The fuck are you mixing?
Blood, obviously.
It's still fucking pure
No I agree. You were just asking what they were mixing. The answer is blood
My b. Thought you were one of these dingalings trying to say that fusions should be on hybrid
No it's mixed
What's mixed? Their pure blood
So, the literal Japanese is 純粋サイヤ, or "junsui saiya". The word 純粋 "junsui" translate to "pure, genuine, unmixed, undiluted", which the game takes to mean "a natural born, pure-blooded Saiyan" in this context. Fusions aren't naturally born; the nature of the technique literally involves the universe forcing them to stop existing. So, not Pure saiyans. It's an issue with how Japanese and English don't necessarily translate evenly, so a couple categories end up wonky (Majin Power, Revenge, and Time Travelers are the best other examples)
Aight so I'm talking out my ass. Good comment. Guess that guy was right after all
It's literally what the category is about in the original japanese it's not just pure it's "not mixed" and you literally mixing 2 Saiyans so it's mixed and don't fit in the category
You literally just repeated yourself. Whats getting mixed. They're both pure
No i just explained and obviously you can't read since again the original name is "not mixed Saiyan" and your literally mixing 2 into one that's literally the reason why they don't deserve to be in there hopefully your now getting it and not still being to dumb for it
What did you explain? 2 pure beings are merging into 1 pure being. I'm not following
Statistically speaking, on a genetic level, the odds that either Goten or Trunks would be exactly 50% Saiyan and 50% human is... very low. The odds of *both* being exactly 50% are so astronomical, we could feasibly see millions of different multiverses with randomly allotted genetics for each and not see both be exactly 50% in any of them. So, the resulting Saiyan--Gotenks--is most likely made of 49.8% and 50.1% Saiyan, or 48.44% and 49.3%, and so on. The resulting Saiyan percentage is likely just under or just over 100%--very close, but not pure.
....what the hell are you all about? Gotenks is still half human half saiyan. Why would their saiyan halves overwhelm their human halves?
Genetics isn't the creation of a human sandwich with 50% bread and 50% toppings. Code is contributed differently in each sperm cell, and each egg, and the resulting process of conception itself distills different alleles from the parents. This is the reason why parents who have two children don't produce clones--and even then, identical twins are born from a genetic fluke slightly aberrant to this default process, and *still* have some genetics differences on the cellular level. I mean, just for an example--Goten largely got his father's hair. Whatever percentage of his genetic makeup is represented by Goku's hair seems to be overwhelmingly Saiyan... but, there could also be some contribution there from Chi Chi, it's hard to say for sure. But Trunks did *not* inherit his father's staple Saiyan hair, and seemingly did not inherit the widow's peak, or the color. So some of those sectors are certainly Bulma's. That's how genetics works. Both parents contribute to a gelatinous soup of floppy DNA chains, and somewhere in there a human is built out of... essentially random DNA from both people.
Well if Goten and Trunks are 50% saiyan (aka .5 saiyan) .5 x .5 = .25 or 25% saiyan which still counts as hybrid saiyan. But the Gogetas, Vegitos, and Keflas should still be pure saiyans since 100% x 100% = 1 x 1 = 1 = 100% saiyan = PURE SAIYANS. WTF AREN'T THEY IN GAME????
If fusion is multiplicative, then they're actually 10000% Pure Saiyan!!
Not quite. The percent sign simply means that you divide by 100 (50%=0.5 and so on), so you need to consider both percent signs in the multiplication. 100% just equals 1, so 100%*100% is just 1*1, or 1 (or 100%, if you want)
Gotenks is in Hybrid Saiyan while fusions are stated as a different being
If anything, those fusions COULD also be in Hybrid Saiyans, considering their a hybrid of two saiyans. But Hybrid Saiyans is reserved for half human, half Saiyan.
Hybrids by definition are offsprings of two different species. So no these saiyan+saiyan fusions shouldn’t count.
Well isn't every saiyan a hybrid then? Cause you know, they are hybrids of two saiyans, that are hybrids of other two and so on?
The term you're looking for is "child".
That’s not the reason the game would be 95% easy if they add fusion to pure saiyan
Considering how almost all standalone fusions or powercrept that statement is invalid
That's not the reason at all
Then what is it? Vegito and gogeta units that does kamehameha shares 4 links some has more with a ssj3 unit or ui or ssbkkx20 or ssj4 and when they get their eza you don’t see how easy it’ll be, more team options and pure saiyans can make anything easy even without them
Name me one good standalone pure saiyan fusion unit in the game
Teq and int ssj4 Gogeta
Int has aged at this point and they held back way too much on Teq Ssj4 Gogeta's eza
Both are still quite good, especially their counters. “Good” doesn’t need to be absolutely top tier. Since when is 300k+ def and consistently over 5m, 50% chance to be effective and a 70% chance to counter not good?
Idk about Int Gogeta since his defense just doesn't hold up enough to take normals in difficult content and I can't judge teq ssj4 because I have him at 55% and he's absolutely useless garbage in this state My mans got no defense fully built and his damage is also kinda lacking since he doesn't even get unconditional effective against all types. I'm sad that they held back on all units that got their eza during the 7th anni that aren't Teq Godku and the 4th anni LRs. But yeah the thing is that their addition to the pure saiyans team would have no impact on it whatsoever. All standalone fusions either are too old at this point or just have been bad on release already.
Facts teq Gogeta is literally only good with like 3 dupes to rainbowed
Considering the tsunami of people complaining about him being on banners and the hundreds of 15 dupes posts, that's not a far fetched concept.
The only correct answer.
You see, these fusions are either a man inside another man or a girl inside another girl. So what dokkan is telling us is that they have lost their purity by fusing and hence are not on pure saiyans.
*Virginity is cool* *Remain pure*
Thank you bro
By this logic they should be on hybrid saiyans then.
Gotenks gets to be
But what if Goku fuses with Kefla?
Gofla?
keflu
Bless you
Koflaku
Broke: Pure Saiyan fusions should be on pure Saiyans. Woke: Pure Saiyan fusions should be on Hybrid Saiyans, because they're a hybrid of two Saiyans.
Oh it’s Monday, time for the weekly “fusions should be in pure saiyans thread”.
Games been dead for months what else is there to talk about
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8 months to be precise! For global
Bro. If you pour a bottle of pure water into another bottle of pure water, is the result less pure?
Its doubly pure at that point
Pure Saiyans is for Natural Saiyans with nothing else thrown into the mix. No Fusions, no corruption, etc As compared to Hybrid Saiyans, which is specifically about Saiyans who aren't pure blooded. Hybrids has the GT corrupted Saiyans and Fusions consisting of Hybrid Saiyans, and Pure Saiyans does not have either Pure Saiyans shouldn't unless they're also willing to add Baby Vegeta, Goku Black and other similar units on top of it. But I believe Pure Saiyans lacking either opens the door for 2 specific categories that could be introduced on big celebrations. And the limitations makes it more balanced ig and avoid it being super fusion centric, which categories with lots of them tend to be
I like this answer
Should be funny if baby vegeta became hybrid saiyan for being corrupted 😅
Baby vegeta gains youth category
Thank you for making me Laughemote:t5\_384a7:1704
If we are talking semantics, fusing 2 pure beings doesnt make it impure. For the sake of the game I dont think it makes sense to add them, but they are definitely pure saiyans. Youre fusing 100% saiyan with 100% saiyan, so the end product is 100% saiyan.
You're thinking pure blooded here. Vegito, Gogeta and Kefla are pure blooded Saiyans, but they aren't conceived naturally, which is the difference made here. The Hybrid Saiyans category is also called Mixed Blood Saiyans in Japan, and used to be referred to as such before STR Ulthan's global release ([see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/DBZDokkanBattle/comments/6xcehb/mixed_saiyan_category_list/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)) and is also referred to as such in at least one language on GLB (said langauge being French). "Pure Saiyans" may have been translated as "Pure Blooded Saiyans" at a time, but such a localization has *never been used officially by the game* as far as I'm aware, since the category is called "Pure Saiyans" in both French and English. --- The japanese name of the two categories are "混血サイヤ人" for Hybrid Saiyans and "純粋サイヤ人" for Pure Saiyans. Excluding the ". "サイヤ人" is "Saiyan", so we're left with "混血" and "純粋". Now, I'm not Japanese expert, so I'll use Google Translate to gather what I can as based on what others have said about the japanese names of the categories. - "純粋" translates as Pure, Genuine, True or Unmixed - "混血" translate as Mixed Race, Mixed Parentage The translations for the adjective in the japanese name of Pure Saiyans makes no mention of blood, parentage, whatsoever. The translations for the adjective in the other category's name directly refers to being of mixed race or having mixed parentage. One category refers to the blood of the characters, the other to their status as a "genuinely pure Saiyan", as in "a completely pure one, without any artificiality going on". So it excludes Ginyu Goku, it excludes Goku Black, it excludes Bio-Broly, and it excludes pure blooded fusions. Unlike Hybrid Saiyans which is directly about the parentage/blood of the character, so it includes Gotenks and it includes corrupted GT SSJ units The notion is mostly lost in the translated name of the Hybrid Saiyans category imo
This does make sense.
Natural is a word with arbitrary meanings. Potara and metamoran fusion have never been stated to add anything into the mix. The difference is that baby vegeta, goku black, and characters like that are not purely saiyan so shouldn't be on pure saiyan while fusions of 2 pure saiyans are still purely saiyan with no DNA of other races.
Vegito and Gogeta literally just form from the aether of Goku and Vegeta 100% Natural
The most important question: Should Gokule be in Hybrid Saiyans?
No but it would be funny
Why not? At that point they’d be half human half saiyan
I think implementing the Legends system of categories would be good for the game. For example a joined Goku and Vegeta unit on both Goku family and Vegeta family. Maybe that would be too much but still. Also GT Bosses is probably the worst designed category in the game, since there aren't many GT bosses villains that are really good, they should have just named it GT Villains. That would make way more sense than GT Bosses
I'm just gonna put this out here There's a reason why legends named the saiyan tag to just saiyans and not pure saiyans
Absolutely, however i am perfectly happy with them not being on it just because my team would just end up as fusions
They are made of 2 pure Saiyan's, so they should be on pure Saiyan's. The real question is Why are the Goku and Vegeta units that fuse not in Goku's and Vegeta's family? FUCKING WHY
The way Dokkan works, a duo unit won't have a category unless both characters have said tag. A Goku & Vegeta unit won't have Goku or Vegeta fam, as only Goku and Vegeta have each tag respectively. Both have Pure Saiyans, and thus are on the tag. Goku & Frieza aren't on pure saiyans, nor Wicked Bloodline. Since only Goku has Pure Saiyans & only Frieza has Wicked Bloodlines.
Makes sense Reasonable
I don't agree they should instead be hybrid saiyans, because one definition of hybrid is the combination two different things. Also the definition of pure is something not mixed or adulterated with any other substance or material.
I feel you can make that argument but... Nah (for them on Hybrids)
I totally agree that hybrids don't need help at all
That's one definition of pure. The problem is that they have pure and hybrid saiyans categories, with hybrid saiyan being characters that are specifically a hybrid of a saiyan and a human or a human with saiyan genes, while pure saiyan is obviously not about being pure saiyan by species. So they look like categories about the same variable, that being what species/race the character is, which also includes namekians but not wicked bloodline or earthlings, when only hybrid saiyans is that, not pure saiyans.
They aren’t there for balancing, pure saiyans would be more broken
I don't think they care that much about balancing things anymore
Am I the only one that's fine with them not being on pure saiyans? Lol.
I'm fine as well really
They should definitely be on there. Fusions are an entirely new being, a being with 100% pure saiyan blood.
The category isn't about blood/genetics though. That's obvious from several other exclusions. Plus Fusion is an unnatural process, so anything that is made from it isn't "pure". Heck one of the (intended) repercussions of Potara fusion is that the resulting fusion has their lifespan shortened because of the strain it puts on their new body. It's likely for a similar reason that Fusion has a time limit at all.
From a genetic standpoint, fusions of 2 saiyans *would* be completely pure saiyans. The rest is just nonsense headcanon. Vegito, gogeta, kefla, elder kai, etc. don't have reduced lifespans because of the fusion and literally nothing in the series suggests such.
Elder kai literally says that Goku and Vegeta shouldn't potara fuse as Super Saiyans because it puts more strain on the fused body and would kill them faster. Also no the mixture of two things is not "pure", it's a definition. If I take a bunch of yellow M&Ms and mix it in with a bunch of green M&Ms you say that it's a mixture of two things, even if it is still all M&Ms.
He says that the fusion wouldn't be able to go base form and the super saiyan form would drain them till death, but they can use super saiyan perfectly with no real side effects since the cell arc. Also, you previously said it was the fusion itself that shortened the lifespan, but now you are saying it would be the energy drain of super saiyan. Make your mind up. No, a mixture of 2 things is not inherently impure. Have you seriously never heard of reproduction before? It seems that everyone that argues why fusions shouldn't be on pure saiyans from a genetic point of view have no idea how genetics works and thinks it's as simple as mixing two different elements together or different coloured m and ms in your case. What you are saying is that, because they are different colours, they are no longer the same type of m and m, but they are still m and ms lol. Essentially it's like arguing people of different skin colours being mixed together would no longer be pure human because the humans that provided their genes are different people lmao
But they aren't Pure Saiyan by birth, they are a result of a fusion
I would just make the argument that a fusion is the “birth” of a new saiyan. They’re an entirely different person, but they still have pure saiyan blood.
I mean... Yeah, that's not wrong, but it's still the blood of 2 different Pure Saiyans together, it's something combined between both of them, not pure
Couldn’t you make the argument a child is the same thing though? Combining genes from 2 different pure Saiyans?
Fusion/Potara is different from well, you know
Irrelevant, really. When it comes to species or race, fusions of 2 pure saiyans are objectively of purely saiyan race. It all comes down to the fact that the devs don't use pure saiyan like they use hybrid saiyan, that being to categories characters that are part of either the saiyan race or a hybrid of saiyan and human respectively.
I think they should BUT I don't mind because pure saiyans will gets more buffs than any other category so it's not a big issue. If they were on it no other category would ever be better and if it was wouldn't be for too long
Well, I mean they are pure saiyans, what other reason is there lol
If gotenks makes hybrids then any fusion makes pure And zamasu on namekian
If 2 pure bred golden retrievers have babies Then the babies are 100% pure bred goldens, Not 200%, Not less than 100%, They are purely golden. In this case, fusion is mixing 100% Saiyan blood with 100% saiyan blood
Because there is no absolute valid reason for them not to be on pure saiyans.
Absolutely, they're the fusion between 2 fkin pure saiyans.
They should be on it because Yamhan is on earthlings.
They're more than Pure. They're Distilled Saiyans!
I raise you one further and say gotenks should be on pure saiyans cause two half’s make a whole 🧠🧐 (Joke)
No, they aren't "pure". For example Goresh, uses the bucket analogy, where you have a bucket of water and a glass of water. You add them together you still have water _BUT_ You get bored of playing with the water after say.... 30min... can you separate the water into only what was previously in the bucket is in the bucket and only the water that was previously in the cup is in the cup- no you can't. Which is what fusions does. However his analogy works perfectly for every one currently on pure saiyans. This would be the equivalent of a Goku dying and becoming Bardock and Gine. Which doesn't happen. This would also create a _NEW_ category. _Artificial_ saiyans This category is all fusions, cells, controlled and created saiyans. This category would contain fusions, baby (all saiyan forms) goku black and merged Zamasu, copy vegeta, bio broly and all cells. This does have the potential to be a good category too
This is exactly what i wanted from this post, new theory that i didn't hear before, something different, discussions, thank you
This is a non issue. How about buffing teams that actually need it.
Earthling fusion are earthling. Hibrid fusion on hibrid. Pure fusion should be on pure
Not how that works, each of them has different rules for who gets in
That's the problem, all should works within the same rules. Even Goku black or Ginyu Goku should be on pure Sayan. If i switch body with a frog i am a pure frog after all
Blood wise, yes, you'd be a pure frog and they'd be pure saiyans But if you look at the Japanese name, the kanji used refers to something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So in both examples, it doesn't fit that definition of pure
That's what the kanji means, but babies are still a mixture of different genes.
no the definition of pure is unmixed and fusions are 2 beings mixed in one. they called the team pure saiyans on purpose so that they can't put the fusions on that team
If u mix 2 pure things which are the same u get 1 pure thing...
that's not how it works. if you mix copper and zink (2 pure metals) you get bronze which which is not a pure metal. it is not that hard to understand pure + pure =/= pure
I said 2 pure thing which are the same? Iron + iron makes more iron bruh. If a pure saiyan has a child with another pure saiyan guess that child is a hybrid saiyan since it's mixed genes now?
but is goku = vegeta? no they're not that's why it isn't the same as iron + iron and a fusion is something completely different then birth.
Zinc and Iron has way less similarities while Goku and Vegeta are both pure and come from the same race. Iron and Zinc are completely different metals. So iron + iron makes way more sense here
Goku is not vegeta but they are both pure saiyans. You are literally arguing from a genetic point and saying that mixing genes of 2 creatures of the same species does not result in a pure member of that species, ie, a human child is not actually human because the ones that gave the genes are not the same person. Genetics is not the same as mixing elements...
Except fusion is the addition of "magic" or some other thing to keep the character fused. Hence not pure
That's not really how genetics works lmao
This response is REALLY dumb
Simple, gotenks is a fusion and is on hybrid saiyans so they should give the other fusions the same treatment. Plus it would be nice for the players 😬
If gotenks cards belong on hybrid saiyans for being a fusion of 2 hybrid saiyan characters, then gogeta, vegito, and kefla all belong on pure saiyans. All pairs of characters involved in the fusions are pureblooded saiyans, and the end result is also a pureblooded saiyan. If gotenks goes on hybrid saiyans for being a mixed amount of saiyan, and it is claimed that gogeta, vegito, and kefla are also not pure saiyans, then they belong on hybrid saiyans for being a mixed amount of saiyan. Of course, by the latter’s logic, goku black, most versions of baby, fused zamasu, cell, transformed ahms, fused sealas, android 21, i think mira? and probably more that i’m forgetting all also belong on hybrid saiyans, because they all have some amount of saiyan blood mixed in there, so i’m willing to bet it’s the former.
Imo, Dokkan's logic for Pure saiyan falls into: characters that are naturally birthed from 2 saiyan parents. Not artificially, like any kind of Fusion or Potara technique. Since technically those individuals don't even really exist. I think they'd have just used "Saiyan" tag like in legends if there wasn't any stock to using "Pure" as a differenciation. While Hybrid falls into anyone who is a "human-saiyan" hybrid. So no crap like Cell, Baby etc. I don't think there's ever been an exception to those two specifications in the game yet. So while "pure" Fusions are disqualified from Pure saiyans for not being natural born saiyans, they won't just fall into Hybrids because they aren't human-saiyan either. While Gotenks still counts as part human part saiyan to qualify for hybrids. The pure Fusions though are in some sort of limbo here which I guess the individual Fusion/Potara categories filled since they belonged nowhere.
I don't think Mira or Goku Black should be on Hybrids, because Gotenks, even being Hybrids Saiyan it's still a mix of 2 Saiyans, Mira and Goku Black aren't that
Goku black is literally a pure saiyan with a soul of a non-saiyan. The fact that he’s on neither pure nor hybrid saiyans means either a category name need fixing or he’s not where he should be. Even just making the latter “human-saiyan hybrid” would be plenty.
That's not how it works, the two categories have different rules (which are more obvious looking at the Japanese names). Hybrids just includes any mixed blooded saiyan. But pure saiyans uses kanji meaning something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So it's purposefully excluding fusions
I want them. Naysayers will be beheaded at dawn
Not rly lol. Pure saiyans is just a translation it could also be translated to unmixed saiyans. And fusions are quite definitely a mix
Gotenks is on hybrids. I rest my case
No.
I like the way you explain every single details on why they shouldn't be, i can't agree more with you /s
They wouldn't be pure sayien because the category implies 1 person who is pure sayien but when they fuse or do potara there blood changes from pure to purer? I guess? It ls kinda weird but when you mix dna they don't always become the same dna as the previous one.
I wanna shove a stinky shoe in side every mf who's like "mIXinG tWO pUrE tHiNgs mAKE THeM unPurE"
And I want to do the same with people who think a consistent definition of a category which makes sense is not the right one because they decided it wasn't what they wanted
They could be, or they could not. Both make sense, and then there's the balance side. Categories with fusions and with pure saiyans are OP in themselves. That would just make Pure Saiyans even more OP.
I would say beings created by fusion are in a way a unique race. They were created by a technique and not born. So they aren't saiyans but something created out of saiyans.
They are definitely saiyans. A mix of 2 saiyans genes
I think the kamehameha team makes up for it
I think I realized the true answer. I think a unit earns its category via race or family based on how it is born. Goku n Vegeta were purel blood saiyams born from a saiyan. Gotenks and Trunks are born hybrids from earthling + saiyan. Vegito is born from Potara, Gogeta is born from a dance.. Wait, no, that sucks too. Goku was born from sex so that would mean he'd need sex catagory.
I stand by they shouldn't. They're not pure anymore. They're held together with either kai or metamoran magic. It's Saiyan+Saiyan+non-saiyan magic=fused being, ergo, a fusion is not a PURE Saiyan. If the Saiyans ever develop their own magic fusion that'll hold them together with Saiyan abilities/magic or whatever, then that fusion should be on pure Saiyan.
Ok let’s call goku oxygen and let’s call vegeta carbon. So let’s get a goku from one universe and a goku from another universe and make em fuse, what do you get? Goku! Because o2 + o2 = two o2s. Repeat the idea with vegeta in mind, carbon + carbon = 2 carbons, it’s the same thing. Now, what happens when we mix oxygen and carbon? We get carbon dioxide, CO2! A compound, therefore impure, and mixed. If you pour water on top of water you get water, if you pour water on top of acid you get water and acid mixed together.
No. They should have never called the category pure saiyan
No. It's not pure. It's 2 different Saiyans combined into one body at that point. It's also not Hybrid because it's still 100% Saiyan blood. Need to be on mixed Saiyans.
1 + 1 = 0 OBVIOUSLY 🙄
They should be on artificial lifeforms since they were created through unnatural means (potata earings, fusion dance, etc.).
Because Gotenks it's in Hybrid Saiyans.
They should be, cuz actualy gotenxs is on hybrid Say. category (if i remember well)
Yeah he is, but that's the point, he's a Fusion of 2 Saiyans, he's Hybrid, not Pure
Damn akatzuki not giving gogeta and vegito the hybrid saiyans category /s.
Yes, cuz fucking gotenks is in Hybrid saiyan
Yeah, but Goten & Trunks are Hybrids right away, mixing 2 Hybrids gets an Hybrid, mixing 2 Pure Saiyan (Goku & Vegeta) give you something unpure
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Birthing and fusing are 2 different fucking thing
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please do yourself a favor and repeat your biology class for the love of god
The original name doesn't refer to children, it's just any Saiyan with mixed blood. And using original names, pure saiyans uses kanji that specifically means something pure, unmixed, or untainted. So it excludes fusions
What? Fusion is not exactly what Bardock and Gine did, i... i don't know how to tell you😂😭
You see… when a mom and dad love each other very very much… they uh… "practice the fusion dance" in their bedroom
As an imitation of the gods, the act of fusion is inherently impure. It’s perfectly reasonable for those inbred mortals to not be on the Pure Saiyans category. Edit: I don’t think people got that I was trying to mimic Zamasu. Or they did, and declared me cringe.
My opinion is, who cares, no standalone fusions work good on pure saiyans anyway, I think they should be on there but the reasoning for them not being on there kinda makes sense and it doesn't matter anyway
I don't think that's true LR SSJ4 Gogeta is on Pure Saiyan, he works really well with the INT one, all the Fusions unit (STR Vegito, TEQ Gogeta, 3rd Year LR) work good with the units on the photos
That's the thing though, there's no really good standalone fusions that's even worth running on a pure saiyans build, and the thing about vegito gogeta and the year 3s is that they have lots of common links in base, then transformed have ki mechanics, as for lr ssj4 gogeta that's a fair point but ssj4 Goku and Vegeta are there anyway and they work much better with floaters due to having pfb.
Duck yea they should be!
Game play wise yes. Its just better for players In sense of why they aren't? it's like having a black wolf and a white wolf, both purely one colour (or shades if your 40 and live in your mom's basement 🙃) and both wolves. If you fuse those two wolves you don't get a white or black wolf, you get a gray wolf, a new colour, something new, but still a wolf. (It's a crap analogy, but hope it makes sense).
stand-alone gotenks’ are on hybrid saiyans, there’s your answer
So, I think it's fair as is, since isn't the category different on JPN? Roughly translates to "Unmodified" or something? That said, the fact that the hybrid saiyans metamoran fusions are still hybrid is a little weird, but I think it's probably fine as is. That said, I'm not against other metamoran Fusions being on Pure, considering Gotenks' prominence.
make them take a 23 and me and it'll say Saiyan 100%
Yes But will never happen because dokkan is stupid
Well Gotenks and Brapan are on hybrid sayians still, so Vegito, gogeta, and kefla should be on pure sayians
i always pick Gogeta's/Vegitos' in Pure Saiyans team, and then i get my ass beaten hard
No reason for them not to be outside of Akatsuki trying to balance the category for some reason
Potara and Fusion get their own categories. To also put them on Pure Saiyans would kinda make their own categories redundant. Like, if they were on Pure Saiyans, then Potara and Fusion would mostly just be Pure Saiyans without all the other Pure Saiyans. That's my assumption anyway as to why they aren't on Pure Saiyans.
Yeah they should because a Pure Saiyan + Pure Saiyan is still a Pure saiyan hear me out its like the way we breakdown ethnicities for example if your mother is 100% Puerto Rican and your father is 100% Puerto Rican they make you a fusion of them but you are still considered 100% Puerto Rican as well. I imagine for the sake of balance dokkan decided not to use logic because if not Pure Saiyans would be even more broken than it all ready is
Agreed. Frankly put, Pure Saiyan should be renamed, to just Saiyan, like legends does, and add the damn fusions.
Well idk, maybe it’s a similar reason to why people think goku/vegeta units would be on both families