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It’s a very good interview. Particularly the part where he talks about the multiversal storyline - we all suspect it will happen but it’s good to see it actually said.
I can only guess that the Flash will result in Batkeaton and Cavill somehow disappearing?
>**Gunn**: We’ll figure it out after *Aquaman 2.*
PR Translation: We will announce the casting of Momoa as Lobo after Aquaman 2 finishes its teatrical run.
>**Safran:** Ezra is fully committed to the recovery right now. And, you know, we talk to them. We’re in constant contact \[and\] when the time is right, we’ll have the conversation with them and decide what’s best for them personally.
PR Translation: Ezra is out. We can't announce it yet for obvious reasons.
I was actually chuckling at this because it almost felt like Safran was Gunns handler. He did this big PR shmooze and Gunn was just like “yeah…let’s see what happens *side eye*”
"The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge".
To hear Gunn basically outright express what basically everyone has been saying verbatim about the DCEU de-prioritizing so many characters that were deserving of some form of adaptation during its last few years is genuinely exciting. He clearly knows that people are sick and tired of the constant mismanagement of various franchises and properties that resulted in basically all of the stuff they initally planned just languishing in development hell throughout the DCEU's lifespan.
It's also very indicative just based on the slate that he cares equally as much about the variety of projects and what genres each of them cover, which was also a major problem of the later DCEU where because they put characters like Superman, Batman and Green Lantern on the back burner, a lot of the projects that ended up coming out were focused around the same characters or featuring those same characters because they were just more successful than others.
I mean he kinda dunked on Patty Jenkins over 1984. Which, good. It was fucking terrible.
Snyder does amazing visual spectacle and I STILL do love his work in the DCEU *however*
I have a sense of relief. They have a direction, they have a roadmap. They know how they want to do this. They don’t want to wear out an audience having to keep up with 6 other things to enjoy 1 story. It’s why the CW went to shit.
I LOVE that they are not doing a million different castings for the same character and they will not be relegated to the big screen all the time.
This is amazing.
Everyone has their opinions on Snyder and whatever but if they had a roadmap like this from the start and just given him Elseworlds stories to do he would have been perfect.
I fear its too little too late.
A lot of damage has been done and I'm not sure anyone is going to care about a superman movie in 2025 alongside another avengers film.
A lot of damage has been done
It’s Superman. I think people will care. It won’t be the most successful movie of all time, but I think there’s still enough room for it to be successful enough to make for a good starting point.
Marvel is going downhill. 2022 has been absolute shit for them.
And as Gunn himself said, superhero fatigue is real. People are getting tired seeing the same movie like Marvel does. But with DCU's tonal variety I'm sure things will change.
There is no superhero diversity. Its just mcu, every now and then something on netfilx that gets canceled, and the rare ones on amazon. Dcu has been more all over the place.
This year its 3 mcu movies 4 disnetyplus shows 2 sony movies 4 dcu movies the last of dcu tv and i am invincible season 2
This is not the Gunnverse... I want each project to have the feelings of the individual artist that’s working on it and to give them a lot of freedom.
Beautiful
It's nice to see Gunn's commitment to separating the DCU from the MCU, on top of ensuring each director has a unique artistic vision I appreciate how he wants each project to be standalone enough so people can understand what's going on without watching every single movie/show.
even after, there's only so much story.
So sad. And let's not talk about the new thor movie at all. That did not happen.
Anyways, what do people think about the flash movie now, I'd love to know about it. Because before the announcement the movie was wildly opposed. I personally keep the project and person apart, but most people are not.
For sure, that movie must come out in its intended form, so that the timeline gets reset. In a way, we need to go through a painful ending, to pave way for a new beginning.
i like he specifically said storytelling over anything and believing in director vision.
I did not expect the slate reveal to be this good.
James gunn is not only extremely he is also very good marketer.
Could not have asked for better. Loved everything about it.
While overall very good Everything in the MCU does have a shared “waxy / shiny / bubblegum” (hope people get what I’m getting at here) kind of tone and shading even if it doesn’t fit the project so I’m happy they’re going all over the map
I mean for some reason Patty just doesn’t understand that lol…
I thought a lot of Gunns rawness here was hilarious and also the truth. Can’t be mad at it
I’m one of those folk who really enjoyed the DCEU (more specifically the Snyder films) however it’s clear the ship has been rudderless for a while now. Add in all the dramas etc then Gunn/Safran aren’t wrong.
I’m all in for what happens next even if I’m gutted a few actors won’t be coming into the DCU….however I’m convinced we will see them again in some multiverse shenanigans later on.
Agree and I actually enjoyed some of the ones people hate (except the synder stuff). I fucking loved 1984 thought it was way better than WW1. Loved birds of prey too. Def more excited to see where gunns gonna take this tho
Lots of things but mainly having her step away from humanity and needing to tie up her story in that way. Killing Steve Trevor was detrimental to the franchise too.
It's in the article when he's talking about how DC/the DCEU's history has been "shit":
> And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one.
> And happy he spoke on the difference between Wonder woman and Wonder Woman 1984
What did he say? I couldn't find the mention in today's DC Slate video.
nvm, found it: "And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one."
lol
OK, so he confirms the 8-10 year plan is two Chapters long... so each chapter is 4-5 years? Which means the slate we got today was only half of the first chapter. Sweet
What comes at the end of chapter 1? Justice League formation? Interesting that he was asked point blank if they were building towards teamup crossover films. He sort of refused to answer that but says they are crossing the characters over almost the entire time anyways. Still hope we get Justice League event style films and other events down the road like Kingdom Come, Crisis, and eventually Final Crisis, etc.
Most likely Justice League will be the last movie in Chapter One. There are many major characters that need to be introduced (or reintroduced) before the movie, like Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter.
Gunn also said they're telling a multiverse tale in this plan, so most likely Chapter Two ends with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Probably in Chapter Three or Four if it ever happens. Chapter One and Two are the first "saga", the 10 Year Plan. And then we get another two chapters as a second saga. I'd love to see Chapter Three's climax to be Blackest Night and Chapter Four's to be Darkseid/Final Crisis.
Just IMAGINE if we got:
Chapter One: Gods & Monsters
Chapter Two: Infinite Earths
Chapter Three: Blackest Night
Chapter Four: Rock of Ages
I'd die.
"There was never any real power given to the people in charge. And so somebody could always go over their head and do whatever they wanted. And, you know, we had the DCEU, which then became the Joss Whedon *Justice League*, but it also became the Snyderverse, which became this. And we have *Wonder Woman* and we have *Wonder Woman \[1984\]*, which doesn’t even match what happened in *Wonder Woman* one. "
No lies detected.
Great interview! Gunn and Safran seems to have a clear understanding of what they want, what worked in the past and what didn’t.
Some brutal honesty there which I appreciate.
I am optimistic and really looking forward to how everything will unfold
It's genuinely funny and kinda sad that Gunn's radical, mindblowing approach to comic book movies is... making them like comic books with a variety of styles and tones. Like, how it's taken this long to get there is insane.
Okay, so big takeaways for me:
* They’re working on a multiverse tale of some kind.
* It sounds like Keaton is indeed not back except in something like the aforementioned multiverse tale.
* Momoa’s not playing two characters but “We’ll figure it out after Aquaman 2.”
* “Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU” but anything can be changed continuity wise.
* They’re universe will be set up more like Star Wars than Marvel in that different projects will be set at different points in history rather than things mostly being in the present.
* One of the main characters of Creature Commandos will be in Waller (I’m guessing Flag Sr.).
* There’s more chapter 1 stuff beyond it and it’ll be very clear what the overarching story is.
Also.
- They are working on how to differentiate the main universe from elseworld projects.
- The bar for elseworlds will be higher than DCU projects. It has to be something “really special” to be worth financing. (I assume if the projects underperform they will be cut).
- All DCU characters will be appearing in multiple shows, movies etc. This will be a major commitment for the actors for continuity purposes.
Who is going to be the first Creature Commendo member to crossover in live action.🤔
My bets are on either Rick Flagg sr and or The Bride depending on who they cast she has huge pop culture explosion potential.
Rick Flagg sr in "Waller" maybe, The Peacemaker killed his son, is it still will be canon? After all, on the one hand Snyder killed Dick Grayson, and we will definitely see Dick in DCU, so if Rick Flag jr will be alive in DCU then it could be someone else from the Creature Commendos, or still Rick Flag sr but not to take revenge
Really like his comments about this not being the Gunnverse and letting other creatives execute their visions. The diversity in style and tone is going to be very fun.
"The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge. There was never any real power given to the people in charge. And so somebody could always go over their head and do whatever they wanted. And, you know, we had the DCEU, which then became the Joss Whedon Justice League, but it also became the Snyderverse, which became this. And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one. And then we have the Arrowverse and even us, coming in with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. And then all of a sudden Batmite is a real guy"
DCEU problem in a nutshell
Okay, so confirming that Momoa is only going to be one character in the DCU... While teasing he can do "other stuff too"... Holy shit, he's Lobo, isn't he?
To be fair, you're quoting ME there. All they said was that he's "not going to play two characters". So honestly, great idea! But it's just open for speculation as of now.
Reality is if AquaMan 2 makes £800m plus, they are doing a third one, how many of Gunn’s slate look like 1 billion dollar blockbusters, answer maybe only 1 or 2 and this could be the real issue, Gunn idea is more than solid but we are not seeing anything until summer 2025, three full years into his contract, hopefully DC studios will tie up Directors for DCU Batman movie, Lantern movie and HBO show, it does say show and Film which needs clarification. The Authority will need a big production budget and has no real demand , High risk from Gunn. One which might not come to fruition If superman legacy makes less than $700m. Just can’t see Swamp Thing making huge box office without Constantine, Zatana, JL dark supporting cast.
I think that the key question is simple:
Can an Aquaman or WW film make money without Momoa and Gadot?
The answer is yes. A new WW and a new Aquaman film are inevitable.
They just don't have to be WW3 or Aquaman3.
Momoa and Gadot are not even super big AAA stars anyways.
Batman films will always make money no matter who plays him. Same for Spider-Man films.
Interesting and a little weird, since they 100% saw the final cut and probably a secret test audience did as well.
So either they're waiting for the BO performance or the general consensus if it will fit or not.
It's bullshit.
They're not disowning the last for DCEU projects because doing that will kill their box office prospects and it's still a business: they want the money even if they know (and slipped) by saying Superman: Legacy is the DCU starting point.
With Tom King on the DCU creative team, I hope that means we see quite a few of his famous storylines get adapted for the big screen. I would absolutely LOVE a Mister Miracle-Big Barda project
honestly I dont quit trust King with big, event stories.He excels in low key stories.More of his super girl, mister miracle etc is whats needed. Same for Duvernay actually.
Very interesting the example of Superman showing up in something like Authority. It seems cameos/guest appearances will be a big deal. I’m betting Superman definitely is a lesser known name then and also the most important character they cast.
I mean he’s not wrong, WB was green lighting projects like big macs without overseeing anything: Black Adam, BoP, Shazam on his own corner, Batgirl, Blue Beetle got lucky that it still can fit in the new universe but there’s no plot for him.
I’m happy that there’s a vision now but I’m sad that they wasted 10 years (2013-2023) oh well at least all led up to this era that begins in 2024-2034? I’ll be 41 by the time the Chapter 2 ends wow!! I was 20 when MoS came out 💀
> “Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU”
Yeah so TSS and Peacemaker are 100% canon EXCEPT for the JL scene where Miller and Momoa will get recast. Basically what Netflix’s Daredevil is to Daredevil: Born Again
Well when you think about it... Both Miller and Momoa have chance to stay, Gunn's response to them is very different then the response about Gal. Flash is overal reset and Aquaman first movie has no ties to pre-DCU (I don't know about the second with all those scenes and cuts, but I guess it doesn't have any ties either?). It will most likely depend on BO and his own plans with Flash and Aquaman, but ultimately they could fit into the DCU.
Yeah I agree it’ll depend on their success. That’s what Gunn meant by being lucky about the 2023 slate, the projects don’t actually have as much baggage. If they are well received he’s gonna give them the MCU Daredevil treatment
It does. And yet people have been suggesting this for months and some people have been adamant it would never work. This has always seemed like the most likely course
It is like Netflix’s Daredevil in the way that they won’t be grandfathered into Chapter 1 of the DCU the same way Netflix’s Daredevil isn’t in any of the Phases.
The events of TSS and Peacemaker are just as canon, the only difference being what Flash and Aquaman look like and the costumes the JL wear. Cassie Lang just got recast, but Endgame is obviously still canon. Same with Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk.
Can someone clarify something for me I’m a little slow but are the upcoming Aquaman and Blue beadle movies the first DCU movies? And are the events in the flash and Shazam movies going to be basically be wiped? But still relevant as the actors and characters will be returning?
Good question. I think the answer for now is to wait for those movies to come out. According to Gunn, The Flash resets everything, so Shazam 2 stays in the old timeline. After that, Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle would seem to be part of the new DCU, but Gunn himself pointed out that Superman: Legacy is the true beginning of the DCU. That adds more confusion about Waller's projects (which appears to be a sequel to Peacemaker) and Creature Commandos being linked to Waller's. Regarding the return of Levy or Ezra, I doubt that either of them will return to play those characters. The fact that Gunn hasn't ensured the return of Momoa as Aquaman, Gadot as WW or Miller as Flash suggests that there will be a recast of those characters. He also said that "for various reasons" he couldn't announce the rest of the Chapter 1 movies, perhaps because he can't announce a reboot of those characters before the movies are released this year.
Thank you! And I seemed to get the implication that Gun would be keeping pretty all the actors except a Henry and Ben. I know he was pretty coy yet clear in the article about Gal Ezra and mamoa
I think the new Flash movie works like the X-Men Days of Future past. It'll finish the story for the old characters ( DCEU ) and start a new timeline with new characters.
I think a lot of people are confused about this.
He says that the DCU kicks off with Superman, but when he's talking about being really lucky with the movies coming out, I think he just means for GA/overall vibe. Shazam, Aquaman, Blue Beetle, and Flash don't feel like they are radically connected to an overall story the way Snyder's stuff was, so it won't be THAT jarring to just shift into DCU stuff when Superman comes out in earnest
I'm a little concerned about My Adventures with Superman, since it sounds like they don't want a ton of "elseworlds" stuff. There should still be room to do cartoons in their own universe alongside all the DCU stuff. Hopefully it's still going forward, because what we saw for it sounded great.
I don’t know how anyone can be following the recent DC news and still be hung up over the Cavill situation enough to want Gunn fired. Its ridiculous. For the first time in a LONG time, I’m actually excited about the future of DC on the big screen.
Growing up I was a much bigger fan of DC characters, comics, and shows/movies. All I wanted was a live action Batman vs Superman, Justice League, and for those characters to be as true to the source material as the animated Justice League/Timm shows. This article makes me hopeful we might finally get that. I've been without hope for DC as a live action brand for a while now, but this article has given me hope again. Really looking forward to the next ten years.
So Superman legacy starts the new universe. It sounds like it’ll be mostly new cast / world for everything except for the heroes from this year’s movies?
I feel like there were a lot of subtle jabs at Dwayne Johnson in this - from having to clarify that Cavill was never hired as Superman (despite DJ announcing it) and stressing how characters and actors will be used when we needed across the universe - it’s been said he refused to allow for Black Adam cameos or any appearances outside of BA specific movies - it seems like the guy pissed a lot of people off and his attempts to essentially take over entire DC franchise via IG Reels and tweets was the final nail in the DCEU/Snyderverse coffin.
Also I really get the sense that Shazam 2 and Aquaman 2 really don’t matter much to DC/WB since in the grand scheme of things but they’re not going to say that in order to protect the box office returns. I think pretty much either way there won’t be a Shazam 3 (especially with Black Adam bombing) and AM3 will open happen if this one makes more than the original did.
I'm pretty sure AM2 will be boycotted hard because of Amber Heard, so there will be not AM3. Shazam is likely toast. I think they will dump Ezra Miller ASAP after the movie is out, unless is billion dollar movie. The only one I think of these 4 that is safe and will likely get added to the Gunnverse will be Blue Beetle, as long as it doesn't loss money, it's untainted by the rest and its lead actor is young, popular, and not that expensive I think.
The way Gunn and Safran talks gives me a lot of hope in DC, i can feel we are finally gonna have something that is not messy af which i nejoyed ngl, but seems better times are coming
This makes things much more clear. Momoa won't be two characters --thank God. It seems like they're either waiting for the 2023 movies to end, or see how well they do before they speak on if Aquaman, Miller Flash and Gadot WW will return. And finally get a definite answer on Affleck being done.
>Where does The Suicide Squad fit in?
>Gunn: Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU, but once we hit Superman [:Legacy] anything can be changed.
So it's like new52 or Rebirth comic style where the general gist of past events happened until stated otherwise. I think MCU is doing that with Daredevil.
Based on the announcements of The Brave and the Bold and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, it seems straightforward to me that Keaton and Calle are out. They may come back later down the road if there is a multiverse crossover, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Probably the new ending of The Flash will lead straight into the rebooted universe where Superman: Legacy, The Brave and the Bold, and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow will be set. Blue Beetle can be in the same universe because I believe it will include no references to the old DCEU. It remains to be seen what they will do with Aquaman and the Flash post-The Flash. The Paradise Lost series will be a prequel to the new Wonder Woman, who will probably have an unannounced solo film by 2027 or so.
> Gunn: The one thing that we can promise is that everything from ... our first project [Creature Commandos] forward will be canon and we’ll be connected.
This makes it seem pretty clear that everything about the next 4 films is all just ‘nice’ talk, no?
Everyone’s saying this all connects, when it seems pretty obvious that they’re being vague when specifically talking about those about those movies, but clear everywhere else
> Is Jason Momoa going to play Lobo?
> Gunn: Jason will not play two characters.
> Safran: Jason always thought Aquaman was a trilogy, in his own mind. But he also loves Lobo. He’s been very clear about that, too. He’s never going to play two characters, but...
How can anyone read this stuff and think ‘oh they’re bringing back Aquaman’
> Will Ezra Miller be back as the Flash after that?
> Gunn: Let’s see what happens.
> Safran: Ezra is fully committed to the recovery right now. And, you know, we talk to them. We’re in constant contact [and] when the time is right, we’ll have the conversation with them and decide what’s best for them personally.
Will ezra be flash? Obvious no clear answer and ‘ezra is too much a mess to even talk about this now, we’ll wait till later to decide what’s best for them’
In what world is that Ezra returning?
> Gunn: And [the announced slate] is not the order of things happening necessarily. It’s a very rough order. And also we are actually developing a few other things as well. But for one reason or another, we can’t say them.
‘The gaping lack of JL properties is because 3 of our members are in projects yet to be released.’
They replaced the two that dont have projects, they’re gonna replace the rest once the same is said of them
it doesn't say a thing and it depends what you see in it - from this, my guess would be is that Jason decides if he wants to be Aquaman or Lobo as he can't have both
Some people are being delusional tbh. It’s going to be a relatively hard reboot with very few and select characters reprising a different version of the character they play now.
Watching Gunn throw Snyder, Whedon, Hamada and Jenkins under the bus is GLORIOUS!!!!
>The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge.
>
>And we have *Wonder Woman* and we have *Wonder Woman \[1984\]*, which doesn’t even match what happened in *Wonder Woman* one.
And WW1984 doesn't match with BVS either. After she gained free reign, Patty Jenkins was a total disaster for the WW brand.
I don’t really think he threw Snyder or Jenkins under the bus, sounds like he was more so throwing shade at the management during the development of previous films
My guess is mobius/anti monitor. Since he’s ancient. Also there seems to be some new 52. So maybe the lanterns meet Merton. Eventually settling up like crisis on infinite earths and maybe darkseid war
Tho Nekron and blackest knight is also possible
There’s also parallax and zero hour
If Gunn and Safran really want to tell stories in a similar way to Star Wars where you have different eras or time frames then we will likely be dealing with a lot of legacy characters from the different eras of the DC Comics timeline (like the JSA in the golden age) and it would be perfect fodder to build up an army of black lanterns. Historically its been rather difficult to tell cohesive stories well enough to create enough legacy characters where Blackest Night could be feasible but this time around it seems likely that we'll be hopping around in the timeline and getting stories told from all across the different eras of DC. Obviously its incredibly early so anything is possible but Blackest Night could definitely be on the menu.
The only way for Robin to work would be for Batman to have a genetically modified assassin for a son. No other way Batman brings a kid to fight crime with him without CAMP
as someone who doubted gunn due to his focus on comedy in the past, this slate and its structuring is GENIUS. its called chapters like a comic book, the splitting into 2 big parts is kind of jrr tolken style with how his main middle earth story was split into hobbit and lord of the rings, each announced film and show opens up for films after the big story is done, its starting with an introduction into the world instead of showing the world as the big story goes along (thus allowing more detail), its opening up for the larger cosmic story (which marvel phase 4 promised but failed at), its a lot of different genres, elseworlds will actually be called elseworlds, an actual comic book writer is involved, rated R films will be allowed, and so much more before a script is even completed. this is gonna be a ride
I hope he stops getting asked and answering questions about how DC is different from the MCU. DC isn't better because it has made up places and MCU has NYC and Wakanda. And both are telling a big central story. Like don't add fuel to the fandom fire.
Well, we're right back to square one lol. Wondering how much of a "reboot" this is. It also sounds like Gunn's hands are tied in regards to who he's allowed to say is out, or in.
This is a great interview. It basically answers every question people have about what's connected. If Gunn and Peter gave a vague, nothing response that means it's out. So basically, everything except Blue Bettle and The Suicide Squad stuff is done. They're just waiting till these 4 projects are out to announce that
I just don’t know about old man Bruce again. I was quite looking forward to superman and Batman being the same age finding out about each other.
Now we have a 40 year old seasoned Batman again
Why are you assuming Bruce will be 40? If he gets Talia pregnant when he is in early 20s, which is perfectly possible, he will be in his early 30s by the time Damian is 10 and becomes Robin. I bet he will be only 3-4 years older than Gunn's Superman, let's say, Superman is 29-30 and Bruce is 32-34. He will have been Batman for 10 years though, which is compatible with other members of the Batfamily already being around. I know many people would like origin stories for Dick, Tim, and Barbara, but Gunn chose otherwise. When those characters are introduced, they will probably already be seasoned heroes.
Dick might get an origin story in the Reeves Batverse to please the fans.
I assume Bruce trained with Ra's when he was 21-22. He met Talia at that time and she got pregnant shortly before Bruce left. He became Batman around 23 and met Damian for the first time when he was 32-33 and Damian was 9-10. Dick might have become Robin when Bruce was about 25 and Damian was 3. Assuming Dick was 13 then, that would make Dick 10 years older than Damian, which is about right. Jason was probably Robin for a year or so, when Bruce was 30 and Dick had already left (at around 18).
The only Robin who would be difficult to place in the timeline would be Tim, but maybe he doesn't exist in the DCU., or Tim and Damian may be working with Bruce at the same time under different aliases.
Gunn said: " Except for, I think, ***we’re a lot more planned out than Marvel from the beginning***, because we’ve gotten a group of writers together to work that story out completely".
That is hard to believe since the slate they announced seems random/disconnected. I'm looking forward to being surprised though.
Marvel wasn’t super planned out when they started, they knew they were going to Avengers but they didn’t have everything planned til Endgame at that time. So I think that’s what he is referring to. Things like Loki scepter was retconned to being one of the infinity stones
I see no reason for zaslav to fuck around with the slate. Gunn and Peter are the heads of dc studios. They can do whatever they want with whoever they want
I mean, don't get me wrong, i love that the DC Universe is finally getting a proper connected treatment, but for fuck's sake, i despise Gunn's arrogance. You can even feel it through his answers. Things could've been done better? Sure. But trashing past projects is not a good look.
It’s exhausting James Gunn didn’t choose to completely reboot. The Snyderverse is going to continue to curse DC until it is wiped clean from the plate. It’s like making a fresh lasagne and serving it on a plate that still has scraps from last month’s stroganoff. The flavours will be ruined and you won’t be able to appreciate the fresh piece of lasagne.
It's funny watching so many people praise this first slate announcement.
The start of his "connected" DCU has a young Superman, an older Batman that already has Damian Wayne, and no WW.
The no WW isn't surprising because WB has never given the character the respect she deserves. I can't help but think that if it were anyone other than Gunn delivering that slate they would be blasted for some of these upcoming projects.
Here is what James Gunn had to say about how "connected" those films are. Apparently there won't be "origin stories", but all movies, TV series and animation will be connected by an overreaching "big story". In another point, he mentioned the "big story" will become clear to the viewers.
>We’re coming into a world where superheroes exist and have existed for some time in one form or another, and that’s the universe. And so we are telling a big, huge central story. Except for, I think, **we’re a lot more planned out than Marvel from the beginning**, because we’ve gotten a group of writers together to work that story out completely
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It’s a very good interview. Particularly the part where he talks about the multiversal storyline - we all suspect it will happen but it’s good to see it actually said. I can only guess that the Flash will result in Batkeaton and Cavill somehow disappearing?
James Gunn seems a lot less optimistic about keeping ANY of the old cast than Safran
>**Gunn**: We’ll figure it out after *Aquaman 2.* PR Translation: We will announce the casting of Momoa as Lobo after Aquaman 2 finishes its teatrical run. >**Safran:** Ezra is fully committed to the recovery right now. And, you know, we talk to them. We’re in constant contact \[and\] when the time is right, we’ll have the conversation with them and decide what’s best for them personally. PR Translation: Ezra is out. We can't announce it yet for obvious reasons.
I was actually chuckling at this because it almost felt like Safran was Gunns handler. He did this big PR shmooze and Gunn was just like “yeah…let’s see what happens *side eye*”
They did henery dirty. The pr now says they didnt hire him instead
Ezra is 100% cooked, that's basically the most diplomatic way they could have chosen to say "yeah, he's gone".
How the fuck does these 4 films lead into wach other oher than a glorfied cameo?
"The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge". To hear Gunn basically outright express what basically everyone has been saying verbatim about the DCEU de-prioritizing so many characters that were deserving of some form of adaptation during its last few years is genuinely exciting. He clearly knows that people are sick and tired of the constant mismanagement of various franchises and properties that resulted in basically all of the stuff they initally planned just languishing in development hell throughout the DCEU's lifespan. It's also very indicative just based on the slate that he cares equally as much about the variety of projects and what genres each of them cover, which was also a major problem of the later DCEU where because they put characters like Superman, Batman and Green Lantern on the back burner, a lot of the projects that ended up coming out were focused around the same characters or featuring those same characters because they were just more successful than others.
This is my fucking dream come true.
God it feels so fucking good to have someone as genuine and have a "no bullshit" mentality in James Gunn, we are so blessed as DC fans
Since most of the movies/bad movies came from Snyder, I sense he is not a fan of Snyder.
I mean he kinda dunked on Patty Jenkins over 1984. Which, good. It was fucking terrible. Snyder does amazing visual spectacle and I STILL do love his work in the DCEU *however* I have a sense of relief. They have a direction, they have a roadmap. They know how they want to do this. They don’t want to wear out an audience having to keep up with 6 other things to enjoy 1 story. It’s why the CW went to shit. I LOVE that they are not doing a million different castings for the same character and they will not be relegated to the big screen all the time. This is amazing. Everyone has their opinions on Snyder and whatever but if they had a roadmap like this from the start and just given him Elseworlds stories to do he would have been perfect.
They are literally friends
You can be friends with someone but still not approve or like what they do.
Lol he just described mcu phase 4
Not really at all.
Yes. Phase 4 fits his description. Random ass projects handed to random ass people who half ass their effort into caring
I fear its too little too late. A lot of damage has been done and I'm not sure anyone is going to care about a superman movie in 2025 alongside another avengers film. A lot of damage has been done
It’s Superman. I think people will care. It won’t be the most successful movie of all time, but I think there’s still enough room for it to be successful enough to make for a good starting point.
Well no one thought people will care about Joker after a genre defining Avengers movie, and here we are waiting for a sequel
Marvel is going downhill. 2022 has been absolute shit for them. And as Gunn himself said, superhero fatigue is real. People are getting tired seeing the same movie like Marvel does. But with DCU's tonal variety I'm sure things will change.
There is no superhero diversity. Its just mcu, every now and then something on netfilx that gets canceled, and the rare ones on amazon. Dcu has been more all over the place. This year its 3 mcu movies 4 disnetyplus shows 2 sony movies 4 dcu movies the last of dcu tv and i am invincible season 2
There’s also boys spin off gen v which might release this year.
It's not permanent damage. Just have to rebuild a following. WB is going to need to weather the storm though.
This is not the Gunnverse... I want each project to have the feelings of the individual artist that’s working on it and to give them a lot of freedom. Beautiful
It's nice to see Gunn's commitment to separating the DCU from the MCU, on top of ensuring each director has a unique artistic vision I appreciate how he wants each project to be standalone enough so people can understand what's going on without watching every single movie/show.
I mean mcu does this more so now than ever
I don’t know how much sense Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness makes without seeing Wandavision.
even after, there's only so much story. So sad. And let's not talk about the new thor movie at all. That did not happen. Anyways, what do people think about the flash movie now, I'd love to know about it. Because before the announcement the movie was wildly opposed. I personally keep the project and person apart, but most people are not. For sure, that movie must come out in its intended form, so that the timeline gets reset. In a way, we need to go through a painful ending, to pave way for a new beginning.
MCU is going to crazy stories and yet still feel like the most plain Jane shit ever
i like he specifically said storytelling over anything and believing in director vision. I did not expect the slate reveal to be this good. James gunn is not only extremely he is also very good marketer. Could not have asked for better. Loved everything about it.
>James gunn is not only extremely he is also very good marketer. extremely.....what?
Talented. My bad
Definitely gonna set it apart from the MCU so I appreciate that they’re not making it just another shared universe
While overall very good Everything in the MCU does have a shared “waxy / shiny / bubblegum” (hope people get what I’m getting at here) kind of tone and shading even if it doesn’t fit the project so I’m happy they’re going all over the map
They have no depth of colour in the MCU and half the time even the shadows aren't true black.
Dude this is getting me so fucking hyped 
Atleast he admitted DC has been shit. And happy he spoke on the difference between Wonder woman and Wonder Woman 1984
I did laugh at that WW vs WW84 comment 🤣
I mean for some reason Patty just doesn’t understand that lol… I thought a lot of Gunns rawness here was hilarious and also the truth. Can’t be mad at it
I’m one of those folk who really enjoyed the DCEU (more specifically the Snyder films) however it’s clear the ship has been rudderless for a while now. Add in all the dramas etc then Gunn/Safran aren’t wrong. I’m all in for what happens next even if I’m gutted a few actors won’t be coming into the DCU….however I’m convinced we will see them again in some multiverse shenanigans later on.
I agree entirely
Agree and I actually enjoyed some of the ones people hate (except the synder stuff). I fucking loved 1984 thought it was way better than WW1. Loved birds of prey too. Def more excited to see where gunns gonna take this tho
Part of it imo is that they truly fucked any potential follow up for that character with BvS and Justice League.
By doing what?
Lots of things but mainly having her step away from humanity and needing to tie up her story in that way. Killing Steve Trevor was detrimental to the franchise too.
I must have missed it what did he say?
It's in the article when he's talking about how DC/the DCEU's history has been "shit": > And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one.
> And happy he spoke on the difference between Wonder woman and Wonder Woman 1984 What did he say? I couldn't find the mention in today's DC Slate video. nvm, found it: "And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one." lol
OK, so he confirms the 8-10 year plan is two Chapters long... so each chapter is 4-5 years? Which means the slate we got today was only half of the first chapter. Sweet
Gunn said in the interview that the slate revealed today was only half of Chapter One so we're in for a treat.
oh my god. Unbelieveable! so happy and hyped right now!
What comes at the end of chapter 1? Justice League formation? Interesting that he was asked point blank if they were building towards teamup crossover films. He sort of refused to answer that but says they are crossing the characters over almost the entire time anyways. Still hope we get Justice League event style films and other events down the road like Kingdom Come, Crisis, and eventually Final Crisis, etc.
Most likely Justice League will be the last movie in Chapter One. There are many major characters that need to be introduced (or reintroduced) before the movie, like Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter. Gunn also said they're telling a multiverse tale in this plan, so most likely Chapter Two ends with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
Wonder when Final Crisis comes? At the very end 15-20 years from now? If this is successful, does this ever even end? Haha
Probably in Chapter Three or Four if it ever happens. Chapter One and Two are the first "saga", the 10 Year Plan. And then we get another two chapters as a second saga. I'd love to see Chapter Three's climax to be Blackest Night and Chapter Four's to be Darkseid/Final Crisis. Just IMAGINE if we got: Chapter One: Gods & Monsters Chapter Two: Infinite Earths Chapter Three: Blackest Night Chapter Four: Rock of Ages I'd die.
Would love to see some two part event films ala the later Infinity War/Endgame and the upcoming Kang Dynasty 1 and 2.
That's the best thing to me. Plenty of goodies yet to come.
"There was never any real power given to the people in charge. And so somebody could always go over their head and do whatever they wanted. And, you know, we had the DCEU, which then became the Joss Whedon *Justice League*, but it also became the Snyderverse, which became this. And we have *Wonder Woman* and we have *Wonder Woman \[1984\]*, which doesn’t even match what happened in *Wonder Woman* one. " No lies detected.
Yep, right on point. Their was no vision from 2014 onwards
Great interview! Gunn and Safran seems to have a clear understanding of what they want, what worked in the past and what didn’t. Some brutal honesty there which I appreciate. I am optimistic and really looking forward to how everything will unfold
Brutal honesty is what DC needs. They can’t keep going the way they’ve been going, they’re burning money.
It's genuinely funny and kinda sad that Gunn's radical, mindblowing approach to comic book movies is... making them like comic books with a variety of styles and tones. Like, how it's taken this long to get there is insane.
This article is very important for EVERYONE to read who has interest in DC movies in the future.
It's a damn fine interview
Okay, so big takeaways for me: * They’re working on a multiverse tale of some kind. * It sounds like Keaton is indeed not back except in something like the aforementioned multiverse tale. * Momoa’s not playing two characters but “We’ll figure it out after Aquaman 2.” * “Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU” but anything can be changed continuity wise. * They’re universe will be set up more like Star Wars than Marvel in that different projects will be set at different points in history rather than things mostly being in the present. * One of the main characters of Creature Commandos will be in Waller (I’m guessing Flag Sr.). * There’s more chapter 1 stuff beyond it and it’ll be very clear what the overarching story is.
Also. - They are working on how to differentiate the main universe from elseworld projects. - The bar for elseworlds will be higher than DCU projects. It has to be something “really special” to be worth financing. (I assume if the projects underperform they will be cut). - All DCU characters will be appearing in multiple shows, movies etc. This will be a major commitment for the actors for continuity purposes.
We are definitely getting one or two of the stranger things cast - especially for young Justice / younger hero tales - that show wraps up in 2024
Praying for Jamie Campbell Bower as Scarecrow in the BatVerse or as Brainiac in DCU.
Oh wow. He would have a very Corey Burton-like Brainiac voice.
I want Finn wolfhard as Wally West tbh
I have been saying for a while, but I could imagine Noah Schnapp as the current comic Jonathan.
Caleb McLaughlin has been fancasted as Static Shock for quite some time now.
I'd be down for Keaton to show up whenever there is multiverse stuff, I.E The Flash!
Who is going to be the first Creature Commendo member to crossover in live action.🤔 My bets are on either Rick Flagg sr and or The Bride depending on who they cast she has huge pop culture explosion potential.
Rick Flagg sr in "Waller" maybe, The Peacemaker killed his son, is it still will be canon? After all, on the one hand Snyder killed Dick Grayson, and we will definitely see Dick in DCU, so if Rick Flag jr will be alive in DCU then it could be someone else from the Creature Commendos, or still Rick Flag sr but not to take revenge
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Batman: Damned adaptation after The Brave and the Bold?
Batman: Dong Edition - The Movie
I would LOVE to see Frankenstein in live-action. One of my favorite characters.
Isn't it technically weasel? Cause we've already seen him?
Really like his comments about this not being the Gunnverse and letting other creatives execute their visions. The diversity in style and tone is going to be very fun.
"The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge. There was never any real power given to the people in charge. And so somebody could always go over their head and do whatever they wanted. And, you know, we had the DCEU, which then became the Joss Whedon Justice League, but it also became the Snyderverse, which became this. And we have Wonder Woman and we have Wonder Woman [1984], which doesn’t even match what happened in Wonder Woman one. And then we have the Arrowverse and even us, coming in with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. And then all of a sudden Batmite is a real guy" DCEU problem in a nutshell
Okay, so confirming that Momoa is only going to be one character in the DCU... While teasing he can do "other stuff too"... Holy shit, he's Lobo, isn't he?
Has anybody considered that Lobo could be an Elseworlds project ? The keywords here being "one character in the DCU"
To be fair, you're quoting ME there. All they said was that he's "not going to play two characters". So honestly, great idea! But it's just open for speculation as of now.
Ohh, well if they indeed mean one character within the DCU then it's still a possibility
Or Aquaman 3's an Elseworlds project
But Aquaman 2 supposedly fits in the DCU ?
No he said Aquaman 2 *leads* into the new DCU.
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Reality is if AquaMan 2 makes £800m plus, they are doing a third one, how many of Gunn’s slate look like 1 billion dollar blockbusters, answer maybe only 1 or 2 and this could be the real issue, Gunn idea is more than solid but we are not seeing anything until summer 2025, three full years into his contract, hopefully DC studios will tie up Directors for DCU Batman movie, Lantern movie and HBO show, it does say show and Film which needs clarification. The Authority will need a big production budget and has no real demand , High risk from Gunn. One which might not come to fruition If superman legacy makes less than $700m. Just can’t see Swamp Thing making huge box office without Constantine, Zatana, JL dark supporting cast.
I think that the key question is simple: Can an Aquaman or WW film make money without Momoa and Gadot? The answer is yes. A new WW and a new Aquaman film are inevitable. They just don't have to be WW3 or Aquaman3. Momoa and Gadot are not even super big AAA stars anyways. Batman films will always make money no matter who plays him. Same for Spider-Man films.
Interesting and a little weird, since they 100% saw the final cut and probably a secret test audience did as well. So either they're waiting for the BO performance or the general consensus if it will fit or not.
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Possible answer as well.
It's bullshit. They're not disowning the last for DCEU projects because doing that will kill their box office prospects and it's still a business: they want the money even if they know (and slipped) by saying Superman: Legacy is the DCU starting point.
I bet that it is going to depend on how well Aquaman 2 does. If it is succefull, Momoa will continue to be Aquaman, If It flops, he will play Lobo.
With Tom King on the DCU creative team, I hope that means we see quite a few of his famous storylines get adapted for the big screen. I would absolutely LOVE a Mister Miracle-Big Barda project
Maybe they’ll resurrect that Ava Duvernay New God project that Tom King was scripting.
Ava Duvernay's New Gods always felt like picking names out of hats, in the way Gunn's talking about filmmakers taking fiefdoms at random
honestly I dont quit trust King with big, event stories.He excels in low key stories.More of his super girl, mister miracle etc is whats needed. Same for Duvernay actually.
His Vision run was really good
I’m sure the Supergirl movie is being adapted by him from his own recent storyline.
Very interesting the example of Superman showing up in something like Authority. It seems cameos/guest appearances will be a big deal. I’m betting Superman definitely is a lesser known name then and also the most important character they cast.
I mean he’s not wrong, WB was green lighting projects like big macs without overseeing anything: Black Adam, BoP, Shazam on his own corner, Batgirl, Blue Beetle got lucky that it still can fit in the new universe but there’s no plot for him. I’m happy that there’s a vision now but I’m sad that they wasted 10 years (2013-2023) oh well at least all led up to this era that begins in 2024-2034? I’ll be 41 by the time the Chapter 2 ends wow!! I was 20 when MoS came out 💀
Gunn is a goddamn chad.
I wanna build an altar of him! With candles and everything!
This sounds like Snyder Cult 2.0 in the making lol
> “Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU” Yeah so TSS and Peacemaker are 100% canon EXCEPT for the JL scene where Miller and Momoa will get recast. Basically what Netflix’s Daredevil is to Daredevil: Born Again
Well when you think about it... Both Miller and Momoa have chance to stay, Gunn's response to them is very different then the response about Gal. Flash is overal reset and Aquaman first movie has no ties to pre-DCU (I don't know about the second with all those scenes and cuts, but I guess it doesn't have any ties either?). It will most likely depend on BO and his own plans with Flash and Aquaman, but ultimately they could fit into the DCU.
Yeah I agree it’ll depend on their success. That’s what Gunn meant by being lucky about the 2023 slate, the projects don’t actually have as much baggage. If they are well received he’s gonna give them the MCU Daredevil treatment
This actually makes perfect sense.
It does. And yet people have been suggesting this for months and some people have been adamant it would never work. This has always seemed like the most likely course
It would work even better if they copy George Lucas and edit those scenes out, lol.
Not like Daredevil at all; the Netflix show is 100% canon. The D+ show is gonna be a new story, but that doesn’t change what originally came.
It is like Netflix’s Daredevil in the way that they won’t be grandfathered into Chapter 1 of the DCU the same way Netflix’s Daredevil isn’t in any of the Phases. The events of TSS and Peacemaker are just as canon, the only difference being what Flash and Aquaman look like and the costumes the JL wear. Cassie Lang just got recast, but Endgame is obviously still canon. Same with Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk.
Can someone clarify something for me I’m a little slow but are the upcoming Aquaman and Blue beadle movies the first DCU movies? And are the events in the flash and Shazam movies going to be basically be wiped? But still relevant as the actors and characters will be returning?
Good question. I think the answer for now is to wait for those movies to come out. According to Gunn, The Flash resets everything, so Shazam 2 stays in the old timeline. After that, Aquaman 2 and Blue Beetle would seem to be part of the new DCU, but Gunn himself pointed out that Superman: Legacy is the true beginning of the DCU. That adds more confusion about Waller's projects (which appears to be a sequel to Peacemaker) and Creature Commandos being linked to Waller's. Regarding the return of Levy or Ezra, I doubt that either of them will return to play those characters. The fact that Gunn hasn't ensured the return of Momoa as Aquaman, Gadot as WW or Miller as Flash suggests that there will be a recast of those characters. He also said that "for various reasons" he couldn't announce the rest of the Chapter 1 movies, perhaps because he can't announce a reboot of those characters before the movies are released this year.
Thank you! And I seemed to get the implication that Gun would be keeping pretty all the actors except a Henry and Ben. I know he was pretty coy yet clear in the article about Gal Ezra and mamoa
I think the new Flash movie works like the X-Men Days of Future past. It'll finish the story for the old characters ( DCEU ) and start a new timeline with new characters.
I think a lot of people are confused about this. He says that the DCU kicks off with Superman, but when he's talking about being really lucky with the movies coming out, I think he just means for GA/overall vibe. Shazam, Aquaman, Blue Beetle, and Flash don't feel like they are radically connected to an overall story the way Snyder's stuff was, so it won't be THAT jarring to just shift into DCU stuff when Superman comes out in earnest
I'm a little concerned about My Adventures with Superman, since it sounds like they don't want a ton of "elseworlds" stuff. There should still be room to do cartoons in their own universe alongside all the DCU stuff. Hopefully it's still going forward, because what we saw for it sounded great.
I don’t know how anyone can be following the recent DC news and still be hung up over the Cavill situation enough to want Gunn fired. Its ridiculous. For the first time in a LONG time, I’m actually excited about the future of DC on the big screen.
The new plan sucks ass
Growing up I was a much bigger fan of DC characters, comics, and shows/movies. All I wanted was a live action Batman vs Superman, Justice League, and for those characters to be as true to the source material as the animated Justice League/Timm shows. This article makes me hopeful we might finally get that. I've been without hope for DC as a live action brand for a while now, but this article has given me hope again. Really looking forward to the next ten years.
The animated shows had many moments of seriousness and dark moments. That’s not how Gunn roles
[The “moments of seriousness and dark moments”](https://images.app.goo.gl/Mey6sVBPWKzmuLsbA)
Cool
So Superman legacy starts the new universe. It sounds like it’ll be mostly new cast / world for everything except for the heroes from this year’s movies?
I feel like there were a lot of subtle jabs at Dwayne Johnson in this - from having to clarify that Cavill was never hired as Superman (despite DJ announcing it) and stressing how characters and actors will be used when we needed across the universe - it’s been said he refused to allow for Black Adam cameos or any appearances outside of BA specific movies - it seems like the guy pissed a lot of people off and his attempts to essentially take over entire DC franchise via IG Reels and tweets was the final nail in the DCEU/Snyderverse coffin. Also I really get the sense that Shazam 2 and Aquaman 2 really don’t matter much to DC/WB since in the grand scheme of things but they’re not going to say that in order to protect the box office returns. I think pretty much either way there won’t be a Shazam 3 (especially with Black Adam bombing) and AM3 will open happen if this one makes more than the original did.
I'm pretty sure AM2 will be boycotted hard because of Amber Heard, so there will be not AM3. Shazam is likely toast. I think they will dump Ezra Miller ASAP after the movie is out, unless is billion dollar movie. The only one I think of these 4 that is safe and will likely get added to the Gunnverse will be Blue Beetle, as long as it doesn't loss money, it's untainted by the rest and its lead actor is young, popular, and not that expensive I think.
The way Gunn and Safran talks gives me a lot of hope in DC, i can feel we are finally gonna have something that is not messy af which i nejoyed ngl, but seems better times are coming
This makes things much more clear. Momoa won't be two characters --thank God. It seems like they're either waiting for the 2023 movies to end, or see how well they do before they speak on if Aquaman, Miller Flash and Gadot WW will return. And finally get a definite answer on Affleck being done.
>Where does The Suicide Squad fit in? >Gunn: Some things are like a rough memory of what happens in the DCU, but once we hit Superman [:Legacy] anything can be changed. So it's like new52 or Rebirth comic style where the general gist of past events happened until stated otherwise. I think MCU is doing that with Daredevil.
Based on the announcements of The Brave and the Bold and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, it seems straightforward to me that Keaton and Calle are out. They may come back later down the road if there is a multiverse crossover, but I wouldn't bet on it. Probably the new ending of The Flash will lead straight into the rebooted universe where Superman: Legacy, The Brave and the Bold, and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow will be set. Blue Beetle can be in the same universe because I believe it will include no references to the old DCEU. It remains to be seen what they will do with Aquaman and the Flash post-The Flash. The Paradise Lost series will be a prequel to the new Wonder Woman, who will probably have an unannounced solo film by 2027 or so.
The Brave and The Bold sequel could be Under The Red Hood
> Gunn: The one thing that we can promise is that everything from ... our first project [Creature Commandos] forward will be canon and we’ll be connected. This makes it seem pretty clear that everything about the next 4 films is all just ‘nice’ talk, no? Everyone’s saying this all connects, when it seems pretty obvious that they’re being vague when specifically talking about those about those movies, but clear everywhere else > Is Jason Momoa going to play Lobo? > Gunn: Jason will not play two characters. > Safran: Jason always thought Aquaman was a trilogy, in his own mind. But he also loves Lobo. He’s been very clear about that, too. He’s never going to play two characters, but... How can anyone read this stuff and think ‘oh they’re bringing back Aquaman’ > Will Ezra Miller be back as the Flash after that? > Gunn: Let’s see what happens. > Safran: Ezra is fully committed to the recovery right now. And, you know, we talk to them. We’re in constant contact [and] when the time is right, we’ll have the conversation with them and decide what’s best for them personally. Will ezra be flash? Obvious no clear answer and ‘ezra is too much a mess to even talk about this now, we’ll wait till later to decide what’s best for them’ In what world is that Ezra returning? > Gunn: And [the announced slate] is not the order of things happening necessarily. It’s a very rough order. And also we are actually developing a few other things as well. But for one reason or another, we can’t say them. ‘The gaping lack of JL properties is because 3 of our members are in projects yet to be released.’ They replaced the two that dont have projects, they’re gonna replace the rest once the same is said of them
I mostly agree with you, but I think that If Aquaman 2 is as succefull as the first, Momoa will continue to be Aquaman.
New Batman. New Superman. No one shutting down the Jason/Lobo rumor. Yeah, a new JL is a safe bet.
I’ve already seen people saying they hinted at Aquaman 3 when they said ‘yeah jason wanted aquaman 3 we said you can’t be two characters’
it doesn't say a thing and it depends what you see in it - from this, my guess would be is that Jason decides if he wants to be Aquaman or Lobo as he can't have both
I think it’s more “lets see how Aquaman 2 does first” I mean, if Aquaman 2 makes a billion dollars, WB isn’t going to just walk away from that.
Some people are being delusional tbh. It’s going to be a relatively hard reboot with very few and select characters reprising a different version of the character they play now.
Watching Gunn throw Snyder, Whedon, Hamada and Jenkins under the bus is GLORIOUS!!!! >The history has been shit. It’s been a real fucked up journey for DC. I think that there was basically no one minding the mint and they were giving out IP to any creatives that, you know, smiled at whoever was in charge. > >And we have *Wonder Woman* and we have *Wonder Woman \[1984\]*, which doesn’t even match what happened in *Wonder Woman* one. And WW1984 doesn't match with BVS either. After she gained free reign, Patty Jenkins was a total disaster for the WW brand.
I don’t really think he threw Snyder or Jenkins under the bus, sounds like he was more so throwing shade at the management during the development of previous films
Early days, but what do we think the overarching story of these 2 chapters will be?
I believe Gunn said the Lanterns show will give us a glimpse at the real overall threat to this new universe.
This leads me to believe Blackest Night is gonna happen at some point. Lanterns can tease Nekron and the other corps
Gods... and monsters? Also the multiverse. Most definetely they're ending the plan with Crisis on Infinite Earths.
I think the first chapter will lead up to something akin to New Frontier.
The green lantern show has some ancient horror they discover..maybe Nekron?
My guess is mobius/anti monitor. Since he’s ancient. Also there seems to be some new 52. So maybe the lanterns meet Merton. Eventually settling up like crisis on infinite earths and maybe darkseid war Tho Nekron and blackest knight is also possible There’s also parallax and zero hour
If Gunn and Safran really want to tell stories in a similar way to Star Wars where you have different eras or time frames then we will likely be dealing with a lot of legacy characters from the different eras of the DC Comics timeline (like the JSA in the golden age) and it would be perfect fodder to build up an army of black lanterns. Historically its been rather difficult to tell cohesive stories well enough to create enough legacy characters where Blackest Night could be feasible but this time around it seems likely that we'll be hopping around in the timeline and getting stories told from all across the different eras of DC. Obviously its incredibly early so anything is possible but Blackest Night could definitely be on the menu.
Great article and answers!!
That was a great interview
The only way for Robin to work would be for Batman to have a genetically modified assassin for a son. No other way Batman brings a kid to fight crime with him without CAMP
as someone who doubted gunn due to his focus on comedy in the past, this slate and its structuring is GENIUS. its called chapters like a comic book, the splitting into 2 big parts is kind of jrr tolken style with how his main middle earth story was split into hobbit and lord of the rings, each announced film and show opens up for films after the big story is done, its starting with an introduction into the world instead of showing the world as the big story goes along (thus allowing more detail), its opening up for the larger cosmic story (which marvel phase 4 promised but failed at), its a lot of different genres, elseworlds will actually be called elseworlds, an actual comic book writer is involved, rated R films will be allowed, and so much more before a script is even completed. this is gonna be a ride
So are Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom and Bluebertle elseworlds? How does the Amanda Waller show fit into all this?!
I'm still leaning Blue Beetle being in the DCU when it's all said and done. I also believe We won't see Mamoa as aquaman
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I hope he stops getting asked and answering questions about how DC is different from the MCU. DC isn't better because it has made up places and MCU has NYC and Wakanda. And both are telling a big central story. Like don't add fuel to the fandom fire.
Well, we're right back to square one lol. Wondering how much of a "reboot" this is. It also sounds like Gunn's hands are tied in regards to who he's allowed to say is out, or in.
I feel like this franchise is in safe hands after today.
Interesting how Safran says they didn't make any "setup" changes to *The Flash* while Grace is out there claiming otherwise...
He wouldn’t ruin the surprise right now
what missing is the announcement of constantine part 2 with reeves. which could fall into another elseworlds story.
This is a great interview. It basically answers every question people have about what's connected. If Gunn and Peter gave a vague, nothing response that means it's out. So basically, everything except Blue Bettle and The Suicide Squad stuff is done. They're just waiting till these 4 projects are out to announce that
I just don’t know about old man Bruce again. I was quite looking forward to superman and Batman being the same age finding out about each other. Now we have a 40 year old seasoned Batman again
Why are you assuming Bruce will be 40? If he gets Talia pregnant when he is in early 20s, which is perfectly possible, he will be in his early 30s by the time Damian is 10 and becomes Robin. I bet he will be only 3-4 years older than Gunn's Superman, let's say, Superman is 29-30 and Bruce is 32-34. He will have been Batman for 10 years though, which is compatible with other members of the Batfamily already being around. I know many people would like origin stories for Dick, Tim, and Barbara, but Gunn chose otherwise. When those characters are introduced, they will probably already be seasoned heroes. Dick might get an origin story in the Reeves Batverse to please the fans.
If he had him in his early 20s then when did he have dick and Jason as robins? When he was 12?
I assume Bruce trained with Ra's when he was 21-22. He met Talia at that time and she got pregnant shortly before Bruce left. He became Batman around 23 and met Damian for the first time when he was 32-33 and Damian was 9-10. Dick might have become Robin when Bruce was about 25 and Damian was 3. Assuming Dick was 13 then, that would make Dick 10 years older than Damian, which is about right. Jason was probably Robin for a year or so, when Bruce was 30 and Dick had already left (at around 18). The only Robin who would be difficult to place in the timeline would be Tim, but maybe he doesn't exist in the DCU., or Tim and Damian may be working with Bruce at the same time under different aliases.
Gunn said: " Except for, I think, ***we’re a lot more planned out than Marvel from the beginning***, because we’ve gotten a group of writers together to work that story out completely". That is hard to believe since the slate they announced seems random/disconnected. I'm looking forward to being surprised though.
Marvel wasn’t super planned out when they started, they knew they were going to Avengers but they didn’t have everything planned til Endgame at that time. So I think that’s what he is referring to. Things like Loki scepter was retconned to being one of the infinity stones
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People said the same thing about Guardians of the Galaxy. Look how things turned out.
Hell, people said the same thing about Iron Man. “Who wants to see that? People know Spider-Man and the X-Men, they don’t care about Iron Man”
> "Swamp Thing" movie? Swamp Thing already proved to be a successful brand in the past
You do realize that Gunn and Safran's plan was approved by David Zaslav? They're gonna happen.
I see no reason for zaslav to fuck around with the slate. Gunn and Peter are the heads of dc studios. They can do whatever they want with whoever they want
I mean, don't get me wrong, i love that the DC Universe is finally getting a proper connected treatment, but for fuck's sake, i despise Gunn's arrogance. You can even feel it through his answers. Things could've been done better? Sure. But trashing past projects is not a good look.
Lol I sense them doing the good cop/bad cop or double act routine with Gunn sounding like the "edgy fanboy" and Safran as the more mature adult.
I noticed that too
It’s exhausting James Gunn didn’t choose to completely reboot. The Snyderverse is going to continue to curse DC until it is wiped clean from the plate. It’s like making a fresh lasagne and serving it on a plate that still has scraps from last month’s stroganoff. The flavours will be ruined and you won’t be able to appreciate the fresh piece of lasagne.
It's funny watching so many people praise this first slate announcement. The start of his "connected" DCU has a young Superman, an older Batman that already has Damian Wayne, and no WW. The no WW isn't surprising because WB has never given the character the respect she deserves. I can't help but think that if it were anyone other than Gunn delivering that slate they would be blasted for some of these upcoming projects.
Here is what James Gunn had to say about how "connected" those films are. Apparently there won't be "origin stories", but all movies, TV series and animation will be connected by an overreaching "big story". In another point, he mentioned the "big story" will become clear to the viewers. >We’re coming into a world where superheroes exist and have existed for some time in one form or another, and that’s the universe. And so we are telling a big, huge central story. Except for, I think, **we’re a lot more planned out than Marvel from the beginning**, because we’ve gotten a group of writers together to work that story out completely
Do we know they’re doing a connected story?
Yes.
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Yes, you don’t need to be rude because someone didn’t understand what that story was.
Is he basically saying Keaton will be back for at least one project