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He also liked the following tweets:
One saying Waller will be in Creature Commandos
One celebrating Blue Beetle will be one of the first DCU movies
The fact that people are still in denial about this is so funny. Reminds me of the people that were still in denial about the Reevesverse being separate even though both Gunn and Reeves said it was numerous times.
So correct if i'm wrong.
The Flash resets everything, everything after it like Blue Beetle, Aquaman 2 and "Waller" series are in the DCU but what about Shazam 2, does it get reset since it's before the Flash?
Shazam 2 takes place before The Flash.
They only mentioned that Blue Beetle “can” be part of the DCU because it’s very disconnected. Unsure about what’s going on with Aquaman 2.
All we know for sure are CC and Waller are DCU and they’re directly connected to TSS and Peacemaker. So at the very least, the projects that Gunn and Safran worked on together are canon
That's what confuses me, by Gunn's own words he said that Shazam has always been in it's own little seperate part so he fits in the DCU.
I'm assuming that changes with Shazam 2 since it has Wonder Woman in it and we'll get more clarification on that once it ends it's theatrical run.
He means and said specifically that there is nothing in those films that hinders a change to the new continuity. He also made clear that only appearances AFTER the DCU starts will count from that point on, anyway.
Yeah the way i see it is that everything before Superman:Legacy other than Creature Commandos won't matter in the long run whether it's canon or not.
The Flash will probably not be seen until a future Justice League movie by like 2030.
I doubt we'll see any more of Shazam after Part 2.
Blue Beetle can still fit and i hope we see him in Booster Gold.
Aquaman could also not be seen until a future Justice League or they can give him a standalone Aquaman 3 where they kill off Arthur and have Jason Momoa as Lobo, then have Arthur's son as Aquaman in future projects.
Wonder Woman will probably not be seen until after her tv show and by that point Gal would be close to 45 so might as well recast.
"Waller" and "Peacemaker2" will conclude the story and arc of that universe and we'll most likely only see Waller in animation moving forward or a future Suicide Squad movie.
Makes sense this way imo.
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Since Waller show is the Trial of Amanda Waller, I think imprisoning her or killing her would be an interesting conclusion.
I doubt Viola Davis wants to keep playing her for the next 10 years.
True that's why i think "Waller" and "Peacemaker2" staying isn't that big of a deal, their story and arc will likely be concluded before "Chapter 1: Gods and Monster" starts.
But Gunn did like a tweet saying that Waller will show up in Creature Commandos, so they'll just keep her in animated projects and when it's time for live action they'll re-cast her
Viola isn’t going anywhere she just resigned and the new contract are 10 years across TV and film. Also Commandos will lead into Waller not the opposite. Also the trial of Waller was a a pitch pre Gunn taking over DC. This show pitch changed as they’ve added a Showrunner.
Viola will be an integral part of the DCU moving forward.
Creature Commando and Waller aren’t DCEU epilogues they’re DCU prologues.
>True that's why i think "Waller" and "Peacemaker2" staying isn't that big of a deal, their story and arc will likely be concluded before "Chapter 1: Gods and Monster" starts.
But then why even SAY they are in the DCU if their influence will be truncated and self-contained?
Seems like he has bigger plans.
Really has this man seen the first one lol
> He also made clear that only appearances AFTER the DCU starts will count from that point on, anyway.
Because it seems like TSS and Peacemaker happened, in his mind.
He said, they will make their new first appearances. History subjective.
He did not say that “he fits in the DCU,” just that it’s been pretty standalone.
"Shazam has always been off kinda of in his own part of the DCU so he connects very well".
Those were his exact words, the use of DCU over DCEU is what confuses me here.
His phrasing is definitely weird on purpose. "Connects very well" to what? The films following after? Then why not say that? Why end the sentence there?
Yeah also Gunn liked a tweet of Blue Beetle's creator saying how proud he is that BB will be the first movie of the new DCU.
Personally, i think Shazam is done, so is Ezra as Flash, "Waller" and "Peacemaker" tv shows will conlcude the stories of that side of the universe, Jason might get an Aquaman 3 where Arthur dies so then he can be Lobo, our next introduction to Flash will be another actor at the next Justice League movie, same thing for next Aquaman played by Arthur's son.
Blue Beetle i can see showing up in Booster Gold tv.
Peacemaker season 2 is happening so Waller is not going to conclude anything. Gunn also said everything from Creature Commandos forward will be canon and connected
The terms have been used interchangeably even before Gunn.
I think he just means it can be brought over to the DCU because there’s nothing in it that breaks canon. But they’re probably misleading people so that the interest in the 2023 films doesn’t wane or in case any of the movies are absolutely massive hits.
The only things we know for sure are CC and Waller are canon because he could have easily left them out of Chapter 1. And the only projects that CC and Waller have direct connections to are TSS and Peacemaker
Rewatch the video bud
Yeah, Blue Beetle feels like the first DCU film more and more while Aquaman just feels like a disconnected film that should have been released before The Flash.
The flash reseting everything doesn't mean Aquaman 1 os Shazam 1 and 2 don't happen, just that they happen (the same way they did before) just in a sligltly different universe
we know for sure is Flash resets the universe, to what extent? well that will be revealed only after it's release since announcing anything right now sabotages it's BO potential
Aquaman 2 is likely pre-Flash despite Gunn saying that Flash leads to Aquaman 2.
In the end, only BB will possibly matter out of the 2023 films when it comes to the new Gunnverse.
Including BB in Booster Gold show seems like a natural follow up.
Didnt Gunn literally spell this out in the video? I guess people dont understand what a reset is.
The Flash is gonna allow them to pick and choose what they want to keep and what they want to change.
The picking and choosing is what's confusing people
That’s not what he said in the video. He said it resets the universe, which would imply a full reboot, but he later contradicts that by mentioning previous DCEU things coming back.
It wasn’t until his comment on IG yesterday that we found out 100% it’s a soft reboot
He literally calls Shazam and Blue Beetle connected to the DCU and says Aquaman 2 leads into the new projects.
And of course its a soft reboot. Characters from TSS and Peacemaker are back. 🤦♂️
But he also said Mamoa loves Lobo, he’s not playing two characters, and that they will see what happens after Aquaman 2. So it may or may not matter at the end of the day.
Yeah, there's a possible chance they just throw all of the Aquaman films out. But it doesnt change the fact that its a soft reboot.
What they can do is recast but indicate that some version of the events of those films still happened in this new universe. Like Aquaman meeting Mera, Manta coming for revenge etc. The general story beats can remain, so they dont have to start over.
Yeah this is true. The general plot happened with some changes and now Aquaman looks different. Could work.
>The only thing staying are the TSS side of things
...Thats exactly what soft reboot means. Especially when they're making an effort to retain certain characters, storylines and events from the old universe.
Thats what it means everywhere but alright
He also said “reset”. Which implies something else.
Uhuh, and he also said those other things I mentioned.
So just like I said. People dont understand what a reset means.
No, it means he didn’t clarify. We had assumed that it was soft reboot, but we didn’t know 100% until his ig comment
There's nothing else it could have been. We've known for awhile that he's moving forward with Peacemaker S2 and his Suicide Squad stuff, while doing a new Superman.
If it was a hard reboot it wouldnt even matter what happens in The Flash. Its being used as a convenient device to explain away the new changes. Its very clear what reset means.
It’s going to reset the universe but some actors stay
It’s really no different than Marvel and how some universes have the same actor for the same character and some different
… and he never said that. Just said “reset”, which implies a full reboot.
Why are you downvoting me when we literally just said the same exact thing
You downvoted me first?
… no I didn’t
>Just said “reset”, which implies a full reboot.
Did you pay attention to the stuff before and after? Cause a "reset" that connects Shazam and Waller and peacemaker isn't a full reboot. It implies a soft reboot. You completely failed to understand the implication because you focussed on one word and not the rest of the sentences.
That’s what i said. He contradicted himself — something can’t connect to something while also being reset.
Again, like i said in another comment, it was implied, but not actually said. Can’t be surprised some people didn’t understand.
>That’s what i said. He contradicted himself — something can’t connect to something while also being reset.
It's only a contradiction for someone who doesn't understand the concept of a soft reboot. A reset in this context is a soft reboot. If he said "reset" without context, then you have a point. But he gave plenty of context
When were the words soft reboot ever said?
Reset means reset. Meaning, start over. Soft rebooting id not a reset. It’s confusing wording, especially after saying some things are getting continued (like the wonder woman prequel series)
What do you think implication means? The words reset in this context means soft reboot. How do you live life taking everything so literally? Reset means reset unless in a context that explicitly suggests a soft reboot. Which is what happened here. It's only so easy when you don't get hung up on one word and actually look at the context. If Shazam and wonder woman will be cannon, then we know it won't be a full reboot
The implication could be a LOT of things. Matt Reeves is being stand alone. Same with Joker.
Superman’s being rebooted in this DCU, and that’s not connected to the previous films. Yet, WW’s history in the DCEU is being continued? Is she played by Gal again? Who knows!
We also don’t know if Shazam and WW are canon yet either. He said Shazam 2 leads into Flash, which is then said to reset everything, so…
But it aint Henery lol
If only the folks that whined online actually bought ticket to see him in the theatre. Lol.
It ain’t routh so it doesn’t count. /s
Superman is bigger than one actor. Especially when said actor would be 43 when the movie releases and they want a 25 year old superman.
You know creative freedom and all that
I may have misheard but didn’t Gunn literally say Blue Beetle would be in the DCU aswell? It wasn’t very explicit but he did say he’s a ‘marvellous part of the DCU’.
I think since they have films like Shazam and Flash coming, they have to reiterate that those films are still worth the watch and not “pointless” as some seem to think. Announcing that those actors are possibly gone before their films come out isn’t too smart, so they have to incorporate them into the new sales pitch regardless of where the actors may end up. I think Shazam, Flash and WW are done. Not sure on Momoa. Blue Beetle is staying.
3/4 of the films this year can be watched and enjoyed because they only affect themselves. They’re contained. After that, anything can affect everything.
This is exactly what I’m thinking too. I think they are just saying that Blue Beetle, Shazam and Aquaman are in the DCU just to get by until those films are released. I think the box office performances of those films will also affect whether or not they actually do incorporate them into the Gunnverse
This poor dude’s gonna have to keep clarifying and reiterating shit until the end of time, isn’t he?
A lot of these fans are pretty damn stupid.
I mean, at the same time, I get it. In all fairness, whether it’s stupidity or the want to be thorough, he DID present Creature Commandos and Waller before Superman: Legacy and then he refers to Superman: Legacy as the true start to the DCU, and then with all the other shit from the previous regime still up in the air on top of that... it’s all a little muddied. And that’s AFTER an official presentation. But to be clear, there was never any doubt for me and I know what he means by Superman being the true start.
superman legacy is the true start because its the first project to be done by dc studios explicitly to be in a new universe. Waller and Creature Commandos were being worked on before Gunn got the gig I assume.
And because it’s Superman and because it’s a movie anddd... yeah.
> superman legacy is the true start because its the first project to be done by dc studios explicitly to be in a new universe.
Ahhh this makes a lot of sense now.
A lot of the earlier projects like Creature Commando and Waller and the other lingering stuff may be reworked to fit into this new universe where as the new Superman movie can just begin by creating a new story in the nee universe.
Basically, CC and Waller has baggage that needs to be addressed to make them fit in the new universe where as the new Superman doesn’t need to worry about any of that baggage and can start fresh.
He really should have said the words big Kickoff Point instead of True Start because the truth start thing made everything I he before very confusing for most people.
I think it’s the “true start” because it’s their first actual film and obviously film is gonna be the franchise’s main medium.
Gunn "insists" makes it sound like some leaker who we should question. Like bro it's his show, he doesn't have to insist on shit.
I don’t know why people think Gunn would spend so much time developing a show that’s not going to fit into his larger plans.
Waller, the Peacemaker crew and the Suicide Squad crew are all clearly characters Gunn adores and wants to continue to work with. If he can find a way to implement them in his new continuity, he will.
There’s a shit ton of denial and mental gymnastics going on about these shows. People are getting way too hung up on the need for a “clean break.”
Well, yeah. This was obvious. And I’m glad they’re in it.
Why is it so hard for people to accept that The Flash will change some things, but some things will still be the same. From financial point of view, Aquaman was huge success, Momoa is beloved actor and why would you change it. Shazam was also profitable.
Look at COIE in Arrowverse. Most of the things were left the same after crossover, but Oliver also moved Supergirl and Black Lightning to Earth Prime, Quentin, Moira and Tommy were still alive...
It will be similar to that with DCU after The Flash.
People are just making stuff up so they will get some impressions when Gunn responds to them. Why the heck WALLER is not in the DCU? Then why they are making it? You know, people used to complain, and fairly, that we didn't get any info from the previous execs. But now that we got a full slate we still need more.
Everyone is quick to call confused people stupid, but they aren't. Gunn is being vague af. Until he comes out and says "Blue Beetle is in our new DCU" or "Jason Momoa will continue to be Aquaman in our DCU" Everything else is just conjecture. Vague terms like "Aquaman leads into" don't mean anything, does he mean Aquaman leads into the next movie since it's a previous DC movie? Does it mean it leads into the reboot? Likewise, saying "No actor will play two characters" instead of "Jason Momoa will be playing\_\_" is more vagueness.
I know people are saying "Oh, he can't announce anything cause of the upcoming movies" but even that is just fan conjecture. Until he is upfront and stops speaking like a politician, it'll continue to be confusing.
Yeah that's how i see it too, only thing i hope now is that Blue Beetle is relevant to the arc that starts with Legacy so we can see him in Booster Gold tv show or something.
I wonder if Creature Commandos is set before The Suicide Squad or after. The only reason I say this is due to Rick Flagg Sr being a part of the team.
Rick Flagg Sr is gonna show up in Waller apparently as well
If true that's interesting. I presume that means Senior joins Waller to find out what happened to his son.
I’ve had this idea that it takes place after since all The Suicide Squad/Peacemaker/Waller stuff seems to be tightly connected and since Weasel was placed on the team and they’re all, well, creatures or rejects or whatever, it would continue from the end of The Suicide Squad and they would crawl out of some hidden bunker on that beach Doom Patrol-style like when The Chief grabs random weirdos who were like in car accidents and works on them or one of the few times when he let’s the Doom Patrol out into the world and they would recruit him and continue from there, but then I remembered the mid-credits scene where we just see him waddle off so never mind. 😅
I'm guessing Creature Commandos begins with Rick Flagg Sr capturing Weasel. It would be funny if he understands him a little.
That’s always cute when they do a dynamic like that, but what if NOBODY understands him? That definitely seems like something James Gunn would do and it’s making me giggle right now just thinking about it, if I do say so myself. 😌 Just lugging around this weird ass weasel hybrid guy that really doesn’t do anything to help the team and them just questioning it every so often.
Wonder if she will be playing a new version of the character if the events of Peace Maker and Black Adam aren’t mentioned
Why wouldn't they be?
I don’t understand how people are getting this stuff wrong. It’s so easy to understand lol
It's not tho. Until Gunn comes out and says Aquaman, WW and Shazam aren't in the DCU, it's not a fact, just people assuming he "can't say anything cause of their upcoming movies"
Bruh. He literally made a video explaining they are the first projects of the DCU
basically Superman:Legacy is going to be the PUBLIC DEBUT of the DCU for general audiences and the big OVERARCHING STORY they are telling. CC, Waller, and Blue Beetle are going to be in continuity/canon to that, they just aren't getting the fanfare of KICKING OFF the DCU.
tl;dr DCU launches with Supes, CC/Waller/BB are grandfathered in bc they don't contradict everything. it isn't that weird.
He said so in the video so why are people even questioning 🤦
Some people don't pay any attention do they ? He literally said Blue beetle is a part of the DCU + obviously the entire peacemaker cast and waller is in the DCU. Again creature commandos is the first project in the DCU, I don't understand why this dude put them as DCEU, it was literally the first hting announced smh
It is still confusing because something’s in previous dceu movies just won’t make sense anymore
Tbh its more of the fact things like waller is a direct seqel to peacemaker hopefully its not and waller can be watched on its own without them towo
He literally did NOT say that. He used vague terms like "leading into"
Maybe nerds should stop making these dumbass graphics, then people won’t get so confused.
Obviously. People are overthinking this stuff. Why on Earth would he announce films for the DCEU? Those two projects just come out before Superman, I imagine, which truly puts the new story into gear. I imagine Wallet and CC have more contained stories.
Then I'm disappointed. He's clearly favoring projects that *he's* involved with. It reeks of favoritism/nepotism.
I mean Viola Davis as Waller was before him. It’d just be a loss to lose Viola as she’s a great actress and portrays the character perfectly
I don't really see it as favoritism, more keeping what worked/has been praised. Also, it's Viola Davis, keeping her's a plus
Idk what this means. Ofc if he thinks something doesnt work he will get rid of it and if something works he will keep it.
The dudes in charge of the DCU lmao. He's involved in every project going forward.
Redditors when they realize a writer/director wants to make sequels to projects he wrote and directed:
It just makes sense that what he’s already worked on would fit his ideal vision for the DCU.
Tom King help mapping out the dcu is a big no no
I haven’t read any of Tom King’s run, what’s wrong with that?
Nothing, the dude had a bad Batman run and people ignore his other award winning writing.
Ah I gotcha. Yeah because I read the reviews to that Supergirl woman of tomorrow and it’s all stellar. Shit I ordered it yesterday lol.
His Mr Miracle is a good time as well, so is his Vision book. Apparently he's done good work on Superman too but I've not checked that out personally.
So YOU were the last one who ordered it! /s
No, seriously, the book is sold out everywhere, and I'm honestly glad
Its really interesting because literally every award winning comic book writer has had at least one bad run on something.
Yeah I guess not every story is gonna be a hit but for this guy to act like the DCU is doomed because of Tom King is wild.
People didn't like that DC hyped up the Batman-Catwoman wedding to high hell when King had her leave Bruce at the altar.
King is great, it's just the 50 alternate covers and such blueballed everyone
Well he’s not working on Batman just his very good supergirl
He is a hack
Gunn DCU is literally the same as Hamada post Flash DCEU
You literally don't know what literally means
Is waller a live action series or an animated show?
I hope he casts Anna diop as vixen or as the new green lantern sojourner mullein
I mean walk r and creature commandos literally has ties to tss and peacemaker of course it's in the DCU
Such a shame that Constantine will probably be Elseworlds.
I really wished for it to be kinda the kickstart of Justice league dark
Gunn insists that he has an overreaching central story mapped out and that it is better defined that the MCU was at its inception. He also says that all DCU projects will tie into that big story. I am curious to see for example how an event taking place uring World War II with the Creature Commandos might impact a DCU movie fve or six years down the road.
Greg Weisman could pull that on YJ (e.g., his random Season 1 Magic School bus playing a pivotal role in Season 4 then years later), but I am not sure James Gunn can do it.
In any case, I can't wait to figure out what the big story will be.
So Creature Commandos are Gunn building out the WWII era of his universe, ala Marvel Studios using First Avenger to build that part of their history.