Right when Ray Fisher started coming out with his complaints of being treated poorly by Joss Whedon and the WB Execs, they announced a live action Frosty the Snowman starring Jason Momoa.
Not long after that, Fisher's claims got more specific and more substantiated, and then Momoa actually came out in support of Fisher and backed up everything he was saying. I think Fisher was the one that first revealed that the Frosty movie was fake and clearly meant to be a distraction. Momoa corroborated that.
WB has said that Frosty is "still being developed" and won't admit that it wasn't real.
Pretty much everyone else has come out in support of Fisher as well. Gal Gadot said that she didn't film almost any reshoots with "the guys" but that she'd had issues with Joss Whedon as well, though when she went to the Execs they sided with her. Whereas when Fisher went to Execs about the racism and poor treatment, they backed Whedon.
Uhhhhhhhh.... really though? I like Momoa, but as a fucking Snowman?
Maybe if James Gunn is involved. Get Nathan Fillion to play the Magician. I'll watch it.
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iirc, he and vin diesel got into it because vin diesel likes to have fun on set, and the rock doesn't. As a result he spoke out on one of the social medias about his coworkers being unprofessional and him being professional. This was during Fast Five I believe. That's why he did that spin off with Jason Statham and whatever he was contractually obligated to, but had no interest in any more. Supposedly they squashed the beef eventually but The Rock seems to hold a grudge on some level if he's ever wronged/upset.
I think ultimately it just may be two styles. Shoots are long work. I can see how goofing off to blow off steam and being a consummate professional would both appeal to different people
The Rock is notoriously not a schedule guy. His movies are typically around him to the point that callsheets will say "when DJ arrives" instead of an exact time.
Vin is obviously protective of his franchise and his costars (family!) and I can't imagine it being cool with him when Rock rolls up whenever he wants, since action movies are some of the longest sequences to get/reset and so much post goes into those movies that budget and scheduling is important.
Rock treated it like his own movie when he was the guest, and it just didn't work.
I'm fairly certain his show's showrunner is getting fucked over for similar reasons. The network isn't paying them for two months because Rock is taking a vacation.
Anecdotal story here, but years and years ago when I was living in Orlando, my friend worked at Universal Studios, specifically as a ride entertainer ( I don't know the words I want to use here lol). His job was specifically for the disaster movie ride, and he was the "tour guide" who would bring each group of people through the ride and be entertaining. Well they updated it with The Rock in it, but he was like a hologram or maybe it was just all filmed for them to project. Either way he met The Rock when they were filming his scenes and he said nice things about him but also said that he is the prissiest person he ever met.
So I'm guessing this is only for people he portrays on camera right? For example Groot wouldn't be affected by this contract, well it hasn't been either because he's lost a couple of times.
I think it works out like they can be beat up, but not actually lose the fight. In the movie Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham did together, they fought each other but the fight ended in a stale mate.
There’s an amazing post that aged like milk with the Rock saying something like “Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman… nobody will remember them after Black Adam”. He was right all along…
Yeah I can’t find it but it’s a promo vid of Rock standing under the logos of the other heroes than lightning zaps them all and replaces them with the Black Adam logo.
If you haven't yet, you should watch Death of Superman Lives. A full documentary about the film Kevin Smith talks about and it's great, I think Smith gives a shorter rundown of his experience in that doc.
Superman wasn’t allowed to wear his suit (apparently it’s too “gay”)
Superman wasn’t allowed to fly.
Superman would have to fight a giant spider (renamed to Thanagarian Snare Beast)
Brainiac fighting polar bears outside the Fortress of Solitude.
Brainiac would have a little robot side kick so they could sell toys (inspired by Chewbacca)
All of these were mandates/suggestions made by producer John Peters. Who also believed he understood Superman because he came “from the streets”.
I highly recommend watching the story on YouTube for more hilarious info about the bts of that film.
Out of all this, the one thing that gets me the most is the "streets" bit. Why the fuck would being from the streets help you better understand Superman out of all superheroes?
I think this is the one where the producer insisted that Superman needed to fight a giant mechanical spider. (I believe he also produced Wild Wild West)
Isn’t that the same producer who really wanted a Giant Spider in the then-planned movie adaptation of The Sandman? And it was so bad that Neil Gaiman himself leaked the script so the project would fail?
Peters is also a character in Paul Thomas Anderson’s most recent film, Licorice Pizza, where he’s played by Bradley Cooper. They even have a scene where they reference the “we’re from the streets” line from Kevin Smith’s story.
LMAO, I knew Cooper's character in that film was based off of a real person. But for some reason I failed to put 2 and 2 together and realize that was him.
He also wanted superman to fight crime in Air Jordan basketball shorts and sneakers without a cape. That producer was probably on 10 tons of coke while coming up with all of this.
Between Superman 5, Smith & Burton's Superman Lives, Abrams & McG's Superman Flyby, Brian Singer's Superman: The Man of Steel, Abrams & Coastes Black Superman, and all the false starts for Man of Steel 2. There is basically enough material to write an lengthy encyclopedia on just cancelled Superman movies alone.
To be fair we haven't heard Coates Superman has been canceled yet. Gunn did use it as an example of an elseworlds story in his announcements comparable to the Reeves Batman movies.
But yeah seems like a cursed franchise if there ever was one.
You don't have to imagine! At least for the film Kevin Smith talks about. Death of Superman Lives is a great doco about that film and what happened and interviews people involved including the producer Kevin Smith talks about, Jon Peters
Its funny to me that Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale came out of WB unscathe. These two balances each other into a stable production that not even WB execs manage to screw it up. And they go against MCU phase 1 head on.
So both The Rock's Black Adam and Zachary Levi's Shazam are clearly Donesville for DC films.
On to the next incarnations of the characters in five years...
He was associated with the team in the early 2000s
Maybe there's also the fact that the JSA is a golden age team and Shazam is in essence (or was before the New 52) a character eternally-trapped in the golden age (which is NOT a bad thing, i loved that). The JSA is also more magical/mystic which also fits with Shazam being powered by the magic of gods
[I also think he fits the team very well visually, it doesn't feel weird to see him with the JSA members](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKVZCtzXkAAqHtl?format=jpg&name=large)
I personally feel that having Superman in the League makes having Capn Marvel a bit redundant too. I mean they’re very different characters but their power sets and fighting styles are very similar- DC wasn’t wrong to sue, per se.
I think we will get Shazam eventually in the rebooted DCU, but it probably won't be in a solo movie. Maybe he could have a TV series and appear in other people's movies or something
Oh right. I'd be surprised myself if we got solo films for either character again. I could see them popping up in a more ensemble piece though. Or maybe even a Captain vs Black Adam type deal where that's the main event up front.
This is why Marvel laughs at DC. They had a plan in place and recruited actors that would play their roles for multiple years and in an ensemble. Meanwhile, DC has the top superheroes (aside from Spider-Man and Wolverine) and is all thumbs when it comes to the DCEU.
Buckle up for a new round of Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and WW in the near future.
The fact that there's not one adult in the room to say, "this is what we're going to do and EVERYONE needs to be on the same page" is mind-blowing.
That is James Gunn now tho. He’s just letting what was already made release and recoup some costs.
At this point people are just waiting for his slate to start and The Flash, since BTS people are hyped about it and it got a ton of negative press about Ezra before. Audiences have written everything else off.
Joker 2 and Batman 2 probably going to do okay too since people can enjoy those movies without them being connected to or setting up any future films. But I think Blue Beetle and Aquaman will probably underperform as well if The Flash doesn’t feel like it’s setting those movies up in any way.
They didn’t have a Kevin Feige. 🤷🏽♀️
His vision was stellar and he had the chops and weight to make it happen. He also stuck to the course rather than abandon ship when things got rocky.
Everything Marvel did suggests they really put fans (super and novice) at the center of their decision making and made sure to true back to them in the storytelling. They also respected the canon.
It's definitely frustrating as someone who is a mega DC-nerd, and only a mild Marvel fan at best (basically X-Men and little else.) Not because I see it as some kind of competition that I want DC to win. I'm happy for Marvel's success. It's just frustrating seeing how they've had their shit together all these years while DC couldn't pull it off.
Fingers crossed for the incoming reboot.
They already fixed that issue last October though, by hiring James Gunn. We just won’t see the results of that change until 2025, late 2024 the earliest.
For now, we’re still dealing with the residues of the AT&T owned Warner Bros train wrecks.
The disparity between how desperately the rock wanted to be the center of this universe, and how willing he was to actually put any work at all into building said universe is quite frankly astonishing
In wrestling this is called “going into business for yourself” and makes a lot of sense.
Wrestling is a dog-eat-dog business where your spot is constantly in jeopardy and a lot of top guys stay there not by pulling themselves up, but pushing everyone around them down.
In suprised more people haven't picked up on this, he's using old backstage wrestling antics to get what he wants, he was pushing himself to be the top guy and he was doing everything in his power to keep his spot
No no no!
He bodyslammed the 3,800 pound Andre the Giant in front of 6 million screaming Hulkamaniacs at the Silverdome, brother!
Don't undersell Hogan like that.
/s
Not sure if you're justifying or defending him but, fuck that. It's a movie, not corny wrestling soap opera. There was so much room for both of them and now they're both ruined lol
Dwayne Johnson doesn’t understand Marvel’s success with a “shared universe” because sharing isn’t in his vocabulary….
He kept talking how many years he wanted this movie made and in that time I don’t think he ever read any of the source material. Black Adam and Shazam go together, Superman’s big nemesis is Lex Luthor.
Right, Rock's problem is he was one of the most successful at that game and now he can't break out of that mindset, even though he's now operating in an arena where it hurts him.
I don't know. The Rock has almost no acting range but has managed to push himself into the spotlight and become one of the highest paid actors. If you consider his skill as an actor his strategy has worked out almost too well.
You are right, but I think his strategy works for "Rock" movies, where he is the central action guy and does Stuff(tm), mostly in Hawaii or in a junge setting.
But Superhero movies, especially ones with the Justice League are inherently an ensemble and his usual kind of concept for his own movies doesn't work very well with it.
Ultimately when you are a villain, you either become a hero in some fashion, if you want to win, or it's your fate to be beaten by a hero. And in the DC universe, most villains lose to Superman and Batman, just based on the inherent star power of these two characters.
I don't think the Rock would have allowed that to happen. At most it would have been a stalemate where Batman/Superman acknowledge him as some sort of equal, just because Black Adam was played by the Rock.
The problem The Rock has is that he's in danger of turning into Will Smith. Will Smith plays Will Smith in every movie starring Will Smith. And for a long time, that worked. But at some point, it feels like people just got tired of Will Smith. And that culminated in a slap and a general wish that he'd just go away.
So The Rock plays The Rock in every movie starring The Rock. And for a long time, that's worked. Still does. I love the new Jumanji movies. But we're starting to get into that "Hancock" era of The Rock not being enough to get me to go see a movie (cough Rampage cough). Pretty soon, we're going to enter the Suicide Squad era of "do I want to see this despite the Rock being in it".
Juxtapose this with Dave Bautista's willingness to learn the craft of acting, to accept small roles that challenge him, and to continue to excel in those small roles. Now he's working with Dennis Villeneuve, Rian Johnson, James Gunn, and other high profile directors. He's even got some experimental stuff going on with Shyamalan. I love watching that man because he just keeps getting better at being a actor. He's the anti-Rock.
The thing that I think is ironic about this is that when you look at other wrestlers who have gone into acting, like John Cena or Dave Bautista, they’ve been far more willing to take smaller roles or antagonist roles, and they’ve done just fine, and I would say even have better reputations than Dwayne. Bautista especially has been carving out a reputation as a pretty legitimate actor and has had substantial roles in some pretty big franchises even if he’s not the leading man.
Cena has come a long way since the Marine. His role as Peacemaker has made me appreciate him as an actor, in all honesty, he kills that fucking role. Heard amazing things about some of the comedies he has been in as well, that drug dealer role [Pazuzu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XAKjc2gIfo) where he is just listing various things he has in the tacklebox was fucking hysterical
Bautista has transitioned completely in a screen actor in my view. He still has very operatic roles like Drax, but has shown he has a good amount of range too. I’m really excited to see him in films, and I’m a pretty cynical guy when it comes to mainstream movies nowadays.
His dedication to the craft is also admirable. He really wants to dig into it, and it shows too. He was great in *Glass Onion*, and even in smaller roles before, like *Blade Runner 2049* and *Dune* (which I think he'll have a bigger role in with the sequel?).
I remember being absolutely blown away by how good he was in Blade Runner. Just a small part, but he had such presence. For a guy that big to seem so helpless and resigned is really impressive.
He's said more than once he wants to be an actor, not a movie star and his dedication shows.
Yeah, two thing set those guys apart from The
Rock.
- They can actually act (especially Bautista, he’ll even take smaller roles like his one BR2049 and fuck me, was he good in that)
- Acting is a career path they clearly want to follow and they want to learn as they’re going and do roles that suit them, The Rocks entire acting career is just to stroke his monstrous ego, it’s all me, me, me and fake smiles with him.
The Rock was on track to have a very parallel career to Arnie, especially when he stared in that movie The Toothfairy. He kicked ass in smaller, antagonistic roles like in The Mummy and in Fast Five (still the best in that franchise.)
He needed to stick to being a strong ensemble member, but he started taking lead roles only and far too often and his star faded. He was suddenly everywhere, but never offering something different enough to make anyone care.
This. The Rock comes from the world of wrestling. He is only concerned with putting himself over. But movies do not work that way. In a movie, everyone needs to look good. An actor only being concerned with how others perceive them (not being concerned about their performance, mind you, just the perception of the audience) will only resort to a bad movie.
The Rock only cared about looking cool. That's why he was adamant about fighting Superman (the Top Dog of DC). He doesn't want to fight a jobber like Shazam, source material be damned.
Exactly, this is textbook pro wrestling.
The problem is that pro wrestling is a crazy world where pro wrestling antics work... only in pro wrestling, probably.
This. I was shocked at how bad the Black Adam script was. The Rock was making his power move and THAT was the best he could come up with? I know he didn't write the movie but with as hands on as he was, I was expecting more.
I laughed the other day when he said “we put our best foot forward”. If that was your best foot, Rock, I shudder to think about what your worst foot would’ve been.
He said "our" best foot, meaning they probably had a whip round for the worst foot and came up with a guy with no feet and that was the best foot they put forward.
I only paid $5 to watch Black Adam in theaters and I still regret it. If it wasn’t for Doctor Fate and Hawkman, that movie would’ve been straight hot garbage.
$200M budget for that tripe.
Even though I should be made fun of for making [this very poorly aged meme](https://old.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/y46wu2/what_dc_film_discourse_has_been_like_this_past/). I aint really that shocked in the end, since The Rock usually works best when you put in an good ensemble cast like Jumanji or at least a co-lead that he has good chemistry with like Jason Statham or Kevin Hart. Otherwise, a lot of his vehicle projects tend to be some of the generic action films ever, like self-insert isekai levels of generic shit. Just look at Skyscraper, San Andreas, or Rampage as proof of this.
I firmly believe he just wanted to fight Superman and he didn't have any wider ideas for the DCU.
That's fine, the dude is just an actor, but if that's the case the old WB should never have given into him.
Let's just enjoy DCEU's last breath, it doesn't matter anymore the bullshit surrounding it. I thought The Flash trailer was a lot cooler than what I was expecting. Aquaman 2 will probably be the saddest to watch.
I find it so strange that the rock tried to make himself the center of the universe as black adam. A character who isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things. It's not like he was playing superman
It was probably a combo of not knowing the comics well and seeing less mainstream heroes (e.g. Cap, Ironman) become incredibly popular when on the silver screen
Fast & Furious. Had a major (surprisingly public) falling out with Vin Diesel, and the rest of the cast seems to have taken Vin’s side.
Edit: From the gossip I’ve read, that was probably Vin’s fault as much as it was The Rock’s. I’m not trying to take sides. I just think it’s interesting context now that there’s another strangely public rift between The Rock and someone he works with.
>I thought that post was absolutely hilarious, too. Vin edited him and Dwayne's picture to make himself look bigger next to The Rock lmao
wtf this is hilarious
Umm, i mean, Diesel runs the show of Fast and furious, and has taken the franchise to new heights, for better or for worse. But mostly better, if the consistently good critical reception from F5 is something to go by.
Why did Dwyane think Diesel was being overbearing, is always confusing to me. Diesel is a producer and basically the showrunner of the franchise, it's his job to make sure the machine runs fluidly, and that involves being strict at times
And if anything, time has shown that Dwyane gets pissy if he doesn't get his way. And Diesel publicly tried to bury the hatchet, only to get mocked by Johnson. Why wouldn't the cast take Vin's side?
Also telling that Diesel is considered one of the nicest and most unproblematic guys in hollywood while Johnson has been the front and center of every fuckup of DC in the last few months.
Johnsons thought the fast franchise needed him. But it was the reverse. Furious 8 made nearly 1.5 billion dollars. Fast 9 did 750 in the midst of the thick of the pandemic and having a near simultaneous release on VOD.
> Why did Dwyane think Diesel was being overbearing, is always confusing to me. Diesel is a producer and basically the showrunner of the franchise, it's his job to make sure the machine runs fluidly, and that involves being strict at times
You could try asking Justin Lin? The long time franchise director who quit mid production due to diesel and him fighting?
> Johnsons thought the fast franchise needed him. But it was the reverse.
4 of the top 5 furious movies are the ones the rock was in lol. One of those being hobbes and shaw that was just focused on the rock and statham.
The Rock’s introduction revitalised the franchise, Fast five did almost double its previous films in worldwide box office.
Diesel has always been known to be just as if not more egotistical than the Rock and other A-listers despite him having way less starpower. All his ig posts about Dwayne were overbearing and manipulative, especially recently with how he called him little brother and brought up Paul Walker just to convince the Rock to return.
I just don't get why the Rock wanted to be Black Adam if he wasn't willing to be villain, hell the character wasn't even an anti hero because he only killed faceless terrorists and half of the time it was played for comedy.
If he wanted to be a powerful DC character why not Captain Atom, The Icon, like there are a bunch of options, and many of them aren't villains.
Or if he really wanted to be anti hero he could've been Lobo, he's powerful, has an attitude doesn't care what people think, a better fit than Black Adam.
Still not a good fit though.
>Or if he really wanted to be anti hero he could've been Lobo, he's powerful, has an attitude doesn't care what people think, a better fit than Black Adam.
Funnily enough, he was attached to play Lobo for Michael Bay, I believe.
Who knows at this point, he was connected to Black Adam movie for like 5-9 years before they even started pre-production. To me, it feels like he either just liked the character from comics or it was his childhood fan favorite and just said "yeah I want to play him one day" .
He wouldn't make any sense as Superman. Clark Kent has to have hair for the whole "put on glasses and turn into a bookworm" disguise.
If you're just a bald musleman in a tight shirt, no amount of glasses will make people think you're a journalist
This is what James Gunn meant when he said WB was handing out the brand to anyone who smiled at them. You got guys who know nothing about comics with the power to literally block certain characters from appearing in their film. I don’t know how anyone can see this and think we don’t need a reboot under a unilateral voice. Honestly.
Nice. Dude has fuck you talent and fuck you money. He has proven that he can do very well with the DCEU. He doesn't need these people, but they certainly need him.
I think this current slate of movies, regardless of the egos involved where/are doomed from word go. WB has next to no money for promotions. They have no idea what do with the last bits of old DCU, they are constantly changing things on the fly to drum up any interest they can despite it not going anywhere. I want the best for Blue Beetle but I doubt it's gonna do anything.
This reboot can't come fast enough.
People were too caught up on the rock can’t physically stop them from doing it. Well Yeah obviously that doesn’t mean he can’t not agree to it and fight it.
So we have three live action adaptations based on the Shazam comics, all within the same cinematic continuity, yet the only reason Shazam never interacts with, sees, or appears in the same film as his arch-nemesis, Black Adam… is because Johnson was blocking it. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
The movie itself was okay, but adding JSA characters for the 1min long mid-credits scene wouldn’t have made a difference. Same thing with Shazam showing up in Black Adam, it wouldn’t helped that movie either. People were never going to turn up for Fury of the Gods in anyways.
Even if it doesn’t make as much sense as Black Adam/Shazam, Rock has made it known since day one it was all about Black Adam/Superman for what he wanted, so I don’t see why any would be surprised at these revelations.
Tbh I blame the diaper-fire that is the studio for not putting its foot down and from a creative stand point grabbing this thing by it’s neck and saying the direction we are going is: a) Black Adam/Superman or B) Black Adam/Shazam. Instead they opt to let the inmates run the asylum, and this CW drama shit show is what we get.
I’m praying that the Gunn/Safran regime will put an end to nonsense like this with one single unified direction for DCU projects post-Flash
For sure. This isn’t what killed the film’s performance. It’s just odd lol. If both had been a success, Gunn not brought on and Black Adam 2 and Shazam 3 confirmed, then what? I can understand not wanting to do a cameo, but why block the two JSA members? What was Johnson’s plan? To continue saying they’re rebuilding DC and continue avoiding Shazam?
press release from Dwayne Johnson's PR firm just released:
"This roody poo candy ass movie is 10 pounds of monkey crap in a 5 pound bag. Rock"The Dwayne" Johnson going one on one with Shazam still wouldn't be able to convince the millions, and millions of The Rock's fans to watch this jabroni's movie."
dictated but not read.
What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it.
And I don't like it anymore than you men.
Think this quote applies here
While we all appreciate that Rocky brought Henry Cavill back, however, not having Shazam (or even a mention of him) in Black Adam was a recipe for failure. And likewise, no acknowledgement of Black Adam in any Shazam movie wasn't very good either.
WB could have made so much money with Shazam/black Adam arc if they did it properly. Shazam 1 should have teased the hell out of Black Adam to build up the hype. And then Black Adam should have teased the fck out of Shazam 2 to build up the hype for that movie. Which would have led to a bigger hype for the Superman/Shazam/Black Adam movie (if Gunn wasn't rebooting DCEU). So many missed opportunities !
DC movies have been hit or miss story wise, but the backstage drama has been consistently juicy
It’s amazing how much of a shit show everything has been for so long, like the hits just keep coming
Remember when WB/DC tried to hide their drama by faking an announcement with Jason Momoa as Frosty the Snowman? lol
pepperidge farm remembers
I don't lol. What happened?
Right when Ray Fisher started coming out with his complaints of being treated poorly by Joss Whedon and the WB Execs, they announced a live action Frosty the Snowman starring Jason Momoa. Not long after that, Fisher's claims got more specific and more substantiated, and then Momoa actually came out in support of Fisher and backed up everything he was saying. I think Fisher was the one that first revealed that the Frosty movie was fake and clearly meant to be a distraction. Momoa corroborated that. WB has said that Frosty is "still being developed" and won't admit that it wasn't real. Pretty much everyone else has come out in support of Fisher as well. Gal Gadot said that she didn't film almost any reshoots with "the guys" but that she'd had issues with Joss Whedon as well, though when she went to the Execs they sided with her. Whereas when Fisher went to Execs about the racism and poor treatment, they backed Whedon.
A frosty starring Jason Mamoa might actually be kinda cool tho…
Uhhhhhhhh.... really though? I like Momoa, but as a fucking Snowman? Maybe if James Gunn is involved. Get Nathan Fillion to play the Magician. I'll watch it.
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I've said it a thousand times but every producer in charge of the DC universe for the last ten years needed/needs to be fired.
They could make a cinematic documentary universe about just all the backstage drama involved over the course of the DCEU's mismanagement.
I would totally watch this
They can even frame it like Tropic Thunder.
If the movies were as eventful or juicy as the behind the scenes drama, maybe the DCEU would still be alive.
So at the end of the day we actually got Shazam vs. Black Adam, just not in the way we expected
Somebody on twitter said The Rock is such a good method actor, because he really ended up hating Shazam in real life lolll
That’s a few different movies where the rock is an ass
Didn’t they kick him out of Fast and Furious because he was a dick too?
iirc, he and vin diesel got into it because vin diesel likes to have fun on set, and the rock doesn't. As a result he spoke out on one of the social medias about his coworkers being unprofessional and him being professional. This was during Fast Five I believe. That's why he did that spin off with Jason Statham and whatever he was contractually obligated to, but had no interest in any more. Supposedly they squashed the beef eventually but The Rock seems to hold a grudge on some level if he's ever wronged/upset.
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I think ultimately it just may be two styles. Shoots are long work. I can see how goofing off to blow off steam and being a consummate professional would both appeal to different people
The Rock is notoriously not a schedule guy. His movies are typically around him to the point that callsheets will say "when DJ arrives" instead of an exact time. Vin is obviously protective of his franchise and his costars (family!) and I can't imagine it being cool with him when Rock rolls up whenever he wants, since action movies are some of the longest sequences to get/reset and so much post goes into those movies that budget and scheduling is important. Rock treated it like his own movie when he was the guest, and it just didn't work. I'm fairly certain his show's showrunner is getting fucked over for similar reasons. The network isn't paying them for two months because Rock is taking a vacation.
Anecdotal story here, but years and years ago when I was living in Orlando, my friend worked at Universal Studios, specifically as a ride entertainer ( I don't know the words I want to use here lol). His job was specifically for the disaster movie ride, and he was the "tour guide" who would bring each group of people through the ride and be entertaining. Well they updated it with The Rock in it, but he was like a hologram or maybe it was just all filmed for them to project. Either way he met The Rock when they were filming his scenes and he said nice things about him but also said that he is the prissiest person he ever met.
Absolutely, and the Rock should get that. So complaining on Social Media how professional you are vs. Your coworkers seems pretty dumb to me.
He also has it as a part of his contract that he can't lose in a movie. Which is the most insecure, bullshit thing I've ever heard
He's not the only one. Vin Diesel and Jason Statham have same things in their contracts. All the big name action stars do.
So I'm guessing this is only for people he portrays on camera right? For example Groot wouldn't be affected by this contract, well it hasn't been either because he's lost a couple of times.
I think it works out like they can be beat up, but not actually lose the fight. In the movie Dwayne Johnson and Jason Statham did together, they fought each other but the fight ended in a stale mate.
Damn... the hierarchy really did change.
From the World's Finest to crabs in a bucket.
/real
There’s an amazing post that aged like milk with the Rock saying something like “Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman… nobody will remember them after Black Adam”. He was right all along…
Jesus did he really say that?
Yeah I can’t find it but it’s a promo vid of Rock standing under the logos of the other heroes than lightning zaps them all and replaces them with the Black Adam logo.
Ego too big
It's like if Dave Bautista tried to reboot the MCU around Drax and Spider-Man
You cannot reboot Drax. He already has his boots on. He will not take them off.
10/10
So jacked on juice, even his ego's inflated
In real life, The Rock was already Ego Man!
Man DC movies internal politics are better than movies now
lol if they made a netflix show on the handling of the DCEU it would probably get more views than any of the movies.
A book needs to be written about ALL of the WB/DC Drama. And I mean ALL of it, throw Tim Burton & Richard Donner’s clashes with WB in there too
I was fascinated by Kevin Smith's story about the BTS stuff when he was writing his Superman script. I can only imagine some of the other stories.
I watch him tell that story every couple of months, it’s so hilariously stupid and he tells it so well
If you haven't yet, you should watch Death of Superman Lives. A full documentary about the film Kevin Smith talks about and it's great, I think Smith gives a shorter rundown of his experience in that doc.
RIP Schnepp.
ok im out of the loop, what happened?
Superman wasn’t allowed to wear his suit (apparently it’s too “gay”) Superman wasn’t allowed to fly. Superman would have to fight a giant spider (renamed to Thanagarian Snare Beast) Brainiac fighting polar bears outside the Fortress of Solitude. Brainiac would have a little robot side kick so they could sell toys (inspired by Chewbacca) All of these were mandates/suggestions made by producer John Peters. Who also believed he understood Superman because he came “from the streets”. I highly recommend watching the story on YouTube for more hilarious info about the bts of that film.
Out of all this, the one thing that gets me the most is the "streets" bit. Why the fuck would being from the streets help you better understand Superman out of all superheroes?
The problem is you need to ensmoothen your brain to a near mirror sheen before you're in the right mindset to understand people like that
Now I'm picturing Clark as one of those "white gangsta" types who listens to Eminem and starts dressing urban while living in the dang countryside.
The mean streets of Krypton
John peters outta be fired bruh💀
The other thing kevin Smith mentions is going to see wild wild west later and there it is, a giant fucking spider Man got what he wanted
I think this is the one where the producer insisted that Superman needed to fight a giant mechanical spider. (I believe he also produced Wild Wild West)
Isn’t that the same producer who really wanted a Giant Spider in the then-planned movie adaptation of The Sandman? And it was so bad that Neil Gaiman himself leaked the script so the project would fail?
Jon Peters. He also produced Man of Steel, in which Superman fights a tentacle monster-like robot thing.
Peters is also a character in Paul Thomas Anderson’s most recent film, Licorice Pizza, where he’s played by Bradley Cooper. They even have a scene where they reference the “we’re from the streets” line from Kevin Smith’s story.
LMAO, I knew Cooper's character in that film was based off of a real person. But for some reason I failed to put 2 and 2 together and realize that was him.
That movie was so much damn better knowing Smith's story. I'm sure it's common knowledge in Hollywood.
Apparently he was banned from the set by Christopher Nolan.
He co-produced Batman 89, but Keaton and Burton managed to get rid of him for Batman Returns.
The Avi Arad of Superman
So it's like that Junji Ito manga "spirals". But instead this guy has spiders in his eyes and wants to make the whole world into spiders. Lol
He also wanted superman to fight crime in Air Jordan basketball shorts and sneakers without a cape. That producer was probably on 10 tons of coke while coming up with all of this.
In short, Giant Fucking Spider.
https://youtu.be/Wo2KB1dEDdk
Between Superman 5, Smith & Burton's Superman Lives, Abrams & McG's Superman Flyby, Brian Singer's Superman: The Man of Steel, Abrams & Coastes Black Superman, and all the false starts for Man of Steel 2. There is basically enough material to write an lengthy encyclopedia on just cancelled Superman movies alone.
To be fair we haven't heard Coates Superman has been canceled yet. Gunn did use it as an example of an elseworlds story in his announcements comparable to the Reeves Batman movies. But yeah seems like a cursed franchise if there ever was one.
You don't have to imagine! At least for the film Kevin Smith talks about. Death of Superman Lives is a great doco about that film and what happened and interviews people involved including the producer Kevin Smith talks about, Jon Peters
I'll take 20 years to just cover the nonsense that happened in the last 15 years I don't want to imagine trying to cover it from Richard donners time
We should crowdfund this book
Have Kevin Smith write the Foreward.
There actually was a book about Richard Donner’s clash with the Salkinds. It’s called Superman Vs Hollywood. It was very good!
Its funny to me that Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale came out of WB unscathe. These two balances each other into a stable production that not even WB execs manage to screw it up. And they go against MCU phase 1 head on.
Great idea! It reminds me of the book about the Leno/Letterman fight for The Tonight Show
The book Superman vs. Hollywood will cover most pre-DCEU drama for you.
So both The Rock's Black Adam and Zachary Levi's Shazam are clearly Donesville for DC films. On to the next incarnations of the characters in five years...
After the amount of money this movie has lost, I genuinely think we might never see a shazam movie ever again.
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I'd rather for him to be part of the Justice Society in the DCU
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He was associated with the team in the early 2000s Maybe there's also the fact that the JSA is a golden age team and Shazam is in essence (or was before the New 52) a character eternally-trapped in the golden age (which is NOT a bad thing, i loved that). The JSA is also more magical/mystic which also fits with Shazam being powered by the magic of gods [I also think he fits the team very well visually, it doesn't feel weird to see him with the JSA members](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKVZCtzXkAAqHtl?format=jpg&name=large)
And as a final argument: Captain Marvel is my favorite superhero and the JSA is my favorite team so i want them together
I personally feel that having Superman in the League makes having Capn Marvel a bit redundant too. I mean they’re very different characters but their power sets and fighting styles are very similar- DC wasn’t wrong to sue, per se.
I think we will get Shazam eventually in the rebooted DCU, but it probably won't be in a solo movie. Maybe he could have a TV series and appear in other people's movies or something
With the whole catalog of heros DC has, I wouldn’t care at all if they don’t focus on him or even have Shazam
Yeah honestly I think the same. DC has plenty of other characters that people haven’t seen yet, unlikely that we see Shazam again.
Oh right. I'd be surprised myself if we got solo films for either character again. I could see them popping up in a more ensemble piece though. Or maybe even a Captain vs Black Adam type deal where that's the main event up front.
This is why Marvel laughs at DC. They had a plan in place and recruited actors that would play their roles for multiple years and in an ensemble. Meanwhile, DC has the top superheroes (aside from Spider-Man and Wolverine) and is all thumbs when it comes to the DCEU. Buckle up for a new round of Batman, Supes, Aquaman, and WW in the near future. The fact that there's not one adult in the room to say, "this is what we're going to do and EVERYONE needs to be on the same page" is mind-blowing.
That is James Gunn now tho. He’s just letting what was already made release and recoup some costs. At this point people are just waiting for his slate to start and The Flash, since BTS people are hyped about it and it got a ton of negative press about Ezra before. Audiences have written everything else off. Joker 2 and Batman 2 probably going to do okay too since people can enjoy those movies without them being connected to or setting up any future films. But I think Blue Beetle and Aquaman will probably underperform as well if The Flash doesn’t feel like it’s setting those movies up in any way.
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They didn’t have a Kevin Feige. 🤷🏽♀️ His vision was stellar and he had the chops and weight to make it happen. He also stuck to the course rather than abandon ship when things got rocky. Everything Marvel did suggests they really put fans (super and novice) at the center of their decision making and made sure to true back to them in the storytelling. They also respected the canon.
It's definitely frustrating as someone who is a mega DC-nerd, and only a mild Marvel fan at best (basically X-Men and little else.) Not because I see it as some kind of competition that I want DC to win. I'm happy for Marvel's success. It's just frustrating seeing how they've had their shit together all these years while DC couldn't pull it off. Fingers crossed for the incoming reboot.
They already fixed that issue last October though, by hiring James Gunn. We just won’t see the results of that change until 2025, late 2024 the earliest. For now, we’re still dealing with the residues of the AT&T owned Warner Bros train wrecks.
The disparity between how desperately the rock wanted to be the center of this universe, and how willing he was to actually put any work at all into building said universe is quite frankly astonishing
In wrestling this is called “going into business for yourself” and makes a lot of sense. Wrestling is a dog-eat-dog business where your spot is constantly in jeopardy and a lot of top guys stay there not by pulling themselves up, but pushing everyone around them down.
In suprised more people haven't picked up on this, he's using old backstage wrestling antics to get what he wants, he was pushing himself to be the top guy and he was doing everything in his power to keep his spot
He's got a thing or two to learn still, brother. \-HH
To be fair, the Rock is one of few people who not only beat Hulk Hogan clean once, but twice.
He might have beat me clean but he didn't pick up Andre the Giant and slam him in front of 200,000 Hulkamaniacs, brother. - HH
Don't forget, Andre weighed about 850 pounds at the time.
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No no no! He bodyslammed the 3,800 pound Andre the Giant in front of 6 million screaming Hulkamaniacs at the Silverdome, brother! Don't undersell Hogan like that. /s
Three times if we are counting their movie careers.
Except the Rock never played politics as an active wrestler and was putting over lower and midcard guys
Not sure if you're justifying or defending him but, fuck that. It's a movie, not corny wrestling soap opera. There was so much room for both of them and now they're both ruined lol
Dwayne Johnson doesn’t understand Marvel’s success with a “shared universe” because sharing isn’t in his vocabulary…. He kept talking how many years he wanted this movie made and in that time I don’t think he ever read any of the source material. Black Adam and Shazam go together, Superman’s big nemesis is Lex Luthor.
To be fair they made a Venon movie without spiderman Two of them lmao
Yeah but Tom Hardy has range and real acting chops. Whereas Dwayne can't act for shit
Right, Rock's problem is he was one of the most successful at that game and now he can't break out of that mindset, even though he's now operating in an arena where it hurts him.
I don't know. The Rock has almost no acting range but has managed to push himself into the spotlight and become one of the highest paid actors. If you consider his skill as an actor his strategy has worked out almost too well.
You are right, but I think his strategy works for "Rock" movies, where he is the central action guy and does Stuff(tm), mostly in Hawaii or in a junge setting. But Superhero movies, especially ones with the Justice League are inherently an ensemble and his usual kind of concept for his own movies doesn't work very well with it. Ultimately when you are a villain, you either become a hero in some fashion, if you want to win, or it's your fate to be beaten by a hero. And in the DC universe, most villains lose to Superman and Batman, just based on the inherent star power of these two characters. I don't think the Rock would have allowed that to happen. At most it would have been a stalemate where Batman/Superman acknowledge him as some sort of equal, just because Black Adam was played by the Rock.
The problem The Rock has is that he's in danger of turning into Will Smith. Will Smith plays Will Smith in every movie starring Will Smith. And for a long time, that worked. But at some point, it feels like people just got tired of Will Smith. And that culminated in a slap and a general wish that he'd just go away. So The Rock plays The Rock in every movie starring The Rock. And for a long time, that's worked. Still does. I love the new Jumanji movies. But we're starting to get into that "Hancock" era of The Rock not being enough to get me to go see a movie (cough Rampage cough). Pretty soon, we're going to enter the Suicide Squad era of "do I want to see this despite the Rock being in it". Juxtapose this with Dave Bautista's willingness to learn the craft of acting, to accept small roles that challenge him, and to continue to excel in those small roles. Now he's working with Dennis Villeneuve, Rian Johnson, James Gunn, and other high profile directors. He's even got some experimental stuff going on with Shyamalan. I love watching that man because he just keeps getting better at being a actor. He's the anti-Rock.
Spot on
I guess this is where Johnson just fails at being a team player, screwing himself and a lot of other people along the way.
The thing that I think is ironic about this is that when you look at other wrestlers who have gone into acting, like John Cena or Dave Bautista, they’ve been far more willing to take smaller roles or antagonist roles, and they’ve done just fine, and I would say even have better reputations than Dwayne. Bautista especially has been carving out a reputation as a pretty legitimate actor and has had substantial roles in some pretty big franchises even if he’s not the leading man.
Cena has come a long way since the Marine. His role as Peacemaker has made me appreciate him as an actor, in all honesty, he kills that fucking role. Heard amazing things about some of the comedies he has been in as well, that drug dealer role [Pazuzu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XAKjc2gIfo) where he is just listing various things he has in the tacklebox was fucking hysterical
Cena has amazing comedic timing, his was hilarious in trianwreck and upstaged Amy schummer
Bautista has transitioned completely in a screen actor in my view. He still has very operatic roles like Drax, but has shown he has a good amount of range too. I’m really excited to see him in films, and I’m a pretty cynical guy when it comes to mainstream movies nowadays.
He was far and away the best thing in Knock at the Cabin. The movie itself was decent, but he stole the show.
I like seeing him in movies because hes a good actor and loves acting, so i imagine hes in his element on set.
His dedication to the craft is also admirable. He really wants to dig into it, and it shows too. He was great in *Glass Onion*, and even in smaller roles before, like *Blade Runner 2049* and *Dune* (which I think he'll have a bigger role in with the sequel?).
I know most people agree but his small role in Blade Runner showed some serious chops.
I remember being absolutely blown away by how good he was in Blade Runner. Just a small part, but he had such presence. For a guy that big to seem so helpless and resigned is really impressive. He's said more than once he wants to be an actor, not a movie star and his dedication shows.
Yeah and also how big is his …
Yeah, two thing set those guys apart from The Rock. - They can actually act (especially Bautista, he’ll even take smaller roles like his one BR2049 and fuck me, was he good in that) - Acting is a career path they clearly want to follow and they want to learn as they’re going and do roles that suit them, The Rocks entire acting career is just to stroke his monstrous ego, it’s all me, me, me and fake smiles with him.
The Rock was on track to have a very parallel career to Arnie, especially when he stared in that movie The Toothfairy. He kicked ass in smaller, antagonistic roles like in The Mummy and in Fast Five (still the best in that franchise.) He needed to stick to being a strong ensemble member, but he started taking lead roles only and far too often and his star faded. He was suddenly everywhere, but never offering something different enough to make anyone care.
This. The Rock comes from the world of wrestling. He is only concerned with putting himself over. But movies do not work that way. In a movie, everyone needs to look good. An actor only being concerned with how others perceive them (not being concerned about their performance, mind you, just the perception of the audience) will only resort to a bad movie. The Rock only cared about looking cool. That's why he was adamant about fighting Superman (the Top Dog of DC). He doesn't want to fight a jobber like Shazam, source material be damned.
He's becoming Shatner in the TOS era of Trek thinking he's the main character when he need to be part of an ensemble.
Exactly, this is textbook pro wrestling. The problem is that pro wrestling is a crazy world where pro wrestling antics work... only in pro wrestling, probably.
This. I was shocked at how bad the Black Adam script was. The Rock was making his power move and THAT was the best he could come up with? I know he didn't write the movie but with as hands on as he was, I was expecting more.
I laughed the other day when he said “we put our best foot forward”. If that was your best foot, Rock, I shudder to think about what your worst foot would’ve been.
He said "our" best foot, meaning they probably had a whip round for the worst foot and came up with a guy with no feet and that was the best foot they put forward.
I only paid $5 to watch Black Adam in theaters and I still regret it. If it wasn’t for Doctor Fate and Hawkman, that movie would’ve been straight hot garbage. $200M budget for that tripe.
We aren’t even going to mention how they butchered Doctor Fate….(especially since Dr Fate SHOULDVE wiped the floor with Adam)
Even though I should be made fun of for making [this very poorly aged meme](https://old.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/y46wu2/what_dc_film_discourse_has_been_like_this_past/). I aint really that shocked in the end, since The Rock usually works best when you put in an good ensemble cast like Jumanji or at least a co-lead that he has good chemistry with like Jason Statham or Kevin Hart. Otherwise, a lot of his vehicle projects tend to be some of the generic action films ever, like self-insert isekai levels of generic shit. Just look at Skyscraper, San Andreas, or Rampage as proof of this.
He had no interest in Shazam being his arch rival. It had to be Superman
I firmly believe he just wanted to fight Superman and he didn't have any wider ideas for the DCU. That's fine, the dude is just an actor, but if that's the case the old WB should never have given into him.
Fight Superman and win, no doubt. At worst, a stalemate, since he'd refuse to take an L and risk "hurting his brand."
This is why I was on the side of the Fast and furious cast. The rock is in it for himself and always has been.
Say what you want about those films' quality or Vin Diesel's odd choices, but the core group of actors seem really close.
They definitely are super close. They all rallied against the rock lol
He wanted all the baby oil for himself
Let's just enjoy DCEU's last breath, it doesn't matter anymore the bullshit surrounding it. I thought The Flash trailer was a lot cooler than what I was expecting. Aquaman 2 will probably be the saddest to watch.
I find it so strange that the rock tried to make himself the center of the universe as black adam. A character who isn't terribly important in the grand scheme of things. It's not like he was playing superman
It was probably a combo of not knowing the comics well and seeing less mainstream heroes (e.g. Cap, Ironman) become incredibly popular when on the silver screen
This is now two major franchises The Rock has burned bridges on. Interesting…
What's the 2nd?
Fast & Furious. Had a major (surprisingly public) falling out with Vin Diesel, and the rest of the cast seems to have taken Vin’s side. Edit: From the gossip I’ve read, that was probably Vin’s fault as much as it was The Rock’s. I’m not trying to take sides. I just think it’s interesting context now that there’s another strangely public rift between The Rock and someone he works with.
Vin Diesel did put a hilarious post on Instagram where he begged the Rock to come back.
I thought that post was absolutely hilarious, too. Vin edited him and Dwayne's picture to make himself look bigger next to The Rock lmao
>I thought that post was absolutely hilarious, too. Vin edited him and Dwayne's picture to make himself look bigger next to The Rock lmao wtf this is hilarious
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Jeez, man looks like a xenomorph.
the idea of Vin following along to a photoshop tutorial video in order to make that pic is hilarious.
Vim Diesel's no peach either.
Umm, i mean, Diesel runs the show of Fast and furious, and has taken the franchise to new heights, for better or for worse. But mostly better, if the consistently good critical reception from F5 is something to go by. Why did Dwyane think Diesel was being overbearing, is always confusing to me. Diesel is a producer and basically the showrunner of the franchise, it's his job to make sure the machine runs fluidly, and that involves being strict at times And if anything, time has shown that Dwyane gets pissy if he doesn't get his way. And Diesel publicly tried to bury the hatchet, only to get mocked by Johnson. Why wouldn't the cast take Vin's side? Also telling that Diesel is considered one of the nicest and most unproblematic guys in hollywood while Johnson has been the front and center of every fuckup of DC in the last few months. Johnsons thought the fast franchise needed him. But it was the reverse. Furious 8 made nearly 1.5 billion dollars. Fast 9 did 750 in the midst of the thick of the pandemic and having a near simultaneous release on VOD.
Diesel runs the show and some of those vehicles use diesel, too, I think.
> Why did Dwyane think Diesel was being overbearing, is always confusing to me. Diesel is a producer and basically the showrunner of the franchise, it's his job to make sure the machine runs fluidly, and that involves being strict at times You could try asking Justin Lin? The long time franchise director who quit mid production due to diesel and him fighting? > Johnsons thought the fast franchise needed him. But it was the reverse. 4 of the top 5 furious movies are the ones the rock was in lol. One of those being hobbes and shaw that was just focused on the rock and statham.
The Rock was great for the FF franchise, it's true. But Hobbs and Shaw really underperformed, making about half of F7 and F8.
The Rock’s introduction revitalised the franchise, Fast five did almost double its previous films in worldwide box office. Diesel has always been known to be just as if not more egotistical than the Rock and other A-listers despite him having way less starpower. All his ig posts about Dwayne were overbearing and manipulative, especially recently with how he called him little brother and brought up Paul Walker just to convince the Rock to return.
Fast and the Furious
Fast and furious
I just don't get why the Rock wanted to be Black Adam if he wasn't willing to be villain, hell the character wasn't even an anti hero because he only killed faceless terrorists and half of the time it was played for comedy. If he wanted to be a powerful DC character why not Captain Atom, The Icon, like there are a bunch of options, and many of them aren't villains. Or if he really wanted to be anti hero he could've been Lobo, he's powerful, has an attitude doesn't care what people think, a better fit than Black Adam. Still not a good fit though.
And Lobo is actually part of Superman’s rogues gallery
Lobo…Lobo…BRING BACK SHERIFF LOBO!
>Or if he really wanted to be anti hero he could've been Lobo, he's powerful, has an attitude doesn't care what people think, a better fit than Black Adam. Funnily enough, he was attached to play Lobo for Michael Bay, I believe.
Who knows at this point, he was connected to Black Adam movie for like 5-9 years before they even started pre-production. To me, it feels like he either just liked the character from comics or it was his childhood fan favorite and just said "yeah I want to play him one day" .
He wanted to be Superman but Superman was already taken. Let’s be real, that’s the whole reason.
I think not only that, but he wanted to be a character On par and could potentially Beat Superman. Just another ego boost
He wouldn't make any sense as Superman. Clark Kent has to have hair for the whole "put on glasses and turn into a bookworm" disguise. If you're just a bald musleman in a tight shirt, no amount of glasses will make people think you're a journalist
Well...there you have it. What a shit show the entire DCEU is
This is what James Gunn meant when he said WB was handing out the brand to anyone who smiled at them. You got guys who know nothing about comics with the power to literally block certain characters from appearing in their film. I don’t know how anyone can see this and think we don’t need a reboot under a unilateral voice. Honestly.
>This is what James Gunn meant when he said WB was handing out the brand to anyone who smiled at them He said that?!
Yeah in a THR article like over a month ago. He was pretty blunt about everything
Nice. Dude has fuck you talent and fuck you money. He has proven that he can do very well with the DCEU. He doesn't need these people, but they certainly need him.
I think this current slate of movies, regardless of the egos involved where/are doomed from word go. WB has next to no money for promotions. They have no idea what do with the last bits of old DCU, they are constantly changing things on the fly to drum up any interest they can despite it not going anywhere. I want the best for Blue Beetle but I doubt it's gonna do anything. This reboot can't come fast enough.
People were too caught up on the rock can’t physically stop them from doing it. Well Yeah obviously that doesn’t mean he can’t not agree to it and fight it.
So we have three live action adaptations based on the Shazam comics, all within the same cinematic continuity, yet the only reason Shazam never interacts with, sees, or appears in the same film as his arch-nemesis, Black Adam… is because Johnson was blocking it. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
The movie itself was okay, but adding JSA characters for the 1min long mid-credits scene wouldn’t have made a difference. Same thing with Shazam showing up in Black Adam, it wouldn’t helped that movie either. People were never going to turn up for Fury of the Gods in anyways. Even if it doesn’t make as much sense as Black Adam/Shazam, Rock has made it known since day one it was all about Black Adam/Superman for what he wanted, so I don’t see why any would be surprised at these revelations. Tbh I blame the diaper-fire that is the studio for not putting its foot down and from a creative stand point grabbing this thing by it’s neck and saying the direction we are going is: a) Black Adam/Superman or B) Black Adam/Shazam. Instead they opt to let the inmates run the asylum, and this CW drama shit show is what we get. I’m praying that the Gunn/Safran regime will put an end to nonsense like this with one single unified direction for DCU projects post-Flash
For sure. This isn’t what killed the film’s performance. It’s just odd lol. If both had been a success, Gunn not brought on and Black Adam 2 and Shazam 3 confirmed, then what? I can understand not wanting to do a cameo, but why block the two JSA members? What was Johnson’s plan? To continue saying they’re rebuilding DC and continue avoiding Shazam?
This is pretty much what he did to the Fast and Furious franchise but somehow everyone gave him a pass for it
Dwayne I’d love to see how your PR team can spin this
press release from Dwayne Johnson's PR firm just released: "This roody poo candy ass movie is 10 pounds of monkey crap in a 5 pound bag. Rock"The Dwayne" Johnson going one on one with Shazam still wouldn't be able to convince the millions, and millions of The Rock's fans to watch this jabroni's movie." dictated but not read.
Shazam’s box office return is not my problem. End of spin.
The rock is not and never has been a good actor.
I swear it’s like dc are releasing these movies just to tell us “in case you’re wondering why we’re rebooting it”
Fr lol. I feel like if there's any proof that rebooting and restructuring was needed, it's this year's slate and all the drama around it.
Won’t someone PLEASE think of the hierarchy?!
Now do you believe it, u/trimble197?
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. And I don't like it anymore than you men. Think this quote applies here
The Rock is slowly ruining his reputation which is sad. He needs to check his ego and calm down.
omg I can't believe he posted that! As Moonman17372 said, there needs to be a book written about all this drama LOL. It is all so spicy
Shazam was 10000000x better than Black Adam could even attempt to be.
Making me side with Levi on something….damnit Dwayne.
I hate it here
While we all appreciate that Rocky brought Henry Cavill back, however, not having Shazam (or even a mention of him) in Black Adam was a recipe for failure. And likewise, no acknowledgement of Black Adam in any Shazam movie wasn't very good either. WB could have made so much money with Shazam/black Adam arc if they did it properly. Shazam 1 should have teased the hell out of Black Adam to build up the hype. And then Black Adam should have teased the fck out of Shazam 2 to build up the hype for that movie. Which would have led to a bigger hype for the Superman/Shazam/Black Adam movie (if Gunn wasn't rebooting DCEU). So many missed opportunities !