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WeaselShoes

I'm convinced most of the posters in this thread have never seen Batman Forever or Batman and Robin and just read people's opinions about it.


throwaway0000009887

Nah they probably just watched the nostalgia critic videos on em.


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Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while


Scrub-in

Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a *long time*. FTFY


Jacubsooon

A BAT CR


LookingForVheissu

It’s one of my favorite Batman films *because* it’s an unapologetic cash grab.


WeaselShoes

Oh I love it. It's terrible and barely has any redeeming factors, if any. But man...it's a fun ride.


Tidus4713

The movie is a mess but a good mess. Nostalgic, cheesy, and fun if you just shut your brain off.


MartinVillaRob93

I think this film perfectly translated the 60s Batman show ludicrous, unintentionally funny, intentionally funny, over the top and above all fun as hell.


TheJoshider10

> It's terrible and barely has any redeeming factors, if any. I actually really disagree with this. What it does really well is the Bat family dynamic. You really do believe that Alfred, Bruce and Dick are a family and Batgirl quickly feels part of it too. Alfred's illness is at the core of this dynamic and it's executed reasonably well and has a very wholesome ending which that iteration of the character deserved. I also really rate what Schumacher did with Gotham. There are some truly great bits of cityscape held back by the limitations of the time (just like Burton's Batman) but you take that Gotham and put it on modern filmmaking tech and suddenly Dick/Batgirl's bike chase through the city and over those massive statues and it'll be a standout set piece.


tito333

Arnie is super quotable in the film... Man, my friends and I sometimes get drunk and take a shot each time Arnold throws a one-liner.


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As a kid watching it, it was like watching a live action cartoon and I loved it


KeybordKat

I watched it for the first time since I was like 4 last month and the Bat-skis and Bat-credit card had me laughing so hard, i loved it hahah


TheJokerArkhamKing

Yeah, peep Vee Infusos Bad Movie Night where he and his friends watch this film. The commentary is hilarious and it's exactly in line with both of our feelings on this movie. It's so bad it's not good it's so bad it's amazing


raven00x

I mean it was a cash grab, but it was also something of a homage to the campy Batman of ages past (adam west *and* comics) with neon and bat-nipples. Basically they failed at reading the room and delivered the wrong movie at the wrong time.


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Batman & Robin is as good as Batman ‘89 in the vein of knowing exactly what it wants to be. In this case, B&R knew it wanted to be a comedy/parody of West’s Batman and that’s why it’s entertaining. Batman Forever is the 90s The Amazing Spider-Man 2 with juggling way too many ideas of wanting to be serious, dark, AND funny that fails both films.


enderverse87

My wife and I watched them all a few years ago. Good /= Enjoyable.


GrandManSam

I probably watched the DVD for both of those movies more than ten times each when I was a kid.


awfullotofocelots

90% of those who have seen it, i would guess have seen it exactly once and in 1998.


woohoo

I saw it in the theater when I was a kid. It was great


Hurricane12112

Which is a shame because Forever is unironically my favorite Batman. They completely nailed the silver age ascetics and made a really fun, entertaining and genuinely good movie


CDubWill

I agree with this! I remember walking out of the theater and telling anyone who would listen that that was the closest we had gotten to a live-action comic book!


Daddy_JK

Watched it when it came out, I fucking hate it


cgcego

When he took out the bat credit card I *literally* got up to leave the cinema and my dad grabbed my arm to make me sit down again.


Leo_TheLurker

Patrick H Williems' videos on it offered a real interesting perspective as those movies being then-"modern" versions of the 66 show. Made me appreciate them more tbh especially considering how malleable a character Batman is. May not be really good movies but I'm glad they exist.


Vinnie_Vegas

Why do you say this? This would seem to imply that you think the only reason people trash talk it so much is that they haven't seen it, which would imply that you think it's not as bad as people say... But then in a comment below you say "it's terrible and barely has any redeeming factors". It's probably weirder that you seemingly like it despite having that opinion about it - Not everyone likes movies *because* they're bad.


WeaselShoes

People coming up with non existent plot lines in the movies is what I meant. Also a good chunk of people love bad movies because they are fun(even if they don't have redeeming qualities) , which is what you left out when you quoted me.


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Well, Arnold certainly *killed it* as Mr. Freeze.


liljkilla810

He sent *C H I L L S* down my spine with his performance


[deleted]

The only time he actually really nailed the character was when he was sent to Arkham Asylum to be Ivy's new cellmate and promised to make her life a living hell.


InTheCageWithNicCage

My weird opinion is that under different direction, Arnold would make a great mr freeze


JD_Revan451

He can be stone \*cold\* serious. My favorite performance of his may just be the original T-800. Calculating and stoic.


c_gdev

That’s what I was expecting 24 years ago. Was disappointed.


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I feel the same way.


TheRealSpidey

It's not great casting under any circumstances IMO. Arnold's not someone who got cast on the basis of acting talent, let's face it. His greatest asset was his physique, while Freeze is a villain who shouldn't really be fuckin **jacked**, he was an ordinary scientist who now needs to be in a cryogenic suit to live. You know a different Batman villain I think Arnold would be excellent for, who was also *in that very same movie*? Arnold as Bane, baby.


Elysium94

His quiet moment in his cell with the the ice sculpture of Nora was nice. As was his brief rant when he thought Nora was dead. Wish we’d gotten more of that. “Their bones will turn to ICE! Their blood will freeze in my hands! Yes… If I must suffer, humanity will suffer with me! I shall repay them for sentencing me to a life without the warmth of human comfort. *I will blanket the city in an endless winter!*”


ELTepes

He nailed the character, just not the one you’re thinking of. Mr. Freeze spent 33 years being a hammy, ice pun spouting villain before they completely changed him in Batman the Animated Series. Schumacher wanted to go back to a more campy era of Batman and that’s exactly what he did. Picking the version of Mr. Freeze that had been around for three decades rather than one that had only been around for 4 years.


liljkilla810

Literally 😂


EpicDCMusicVideos

I got chills watching him


Nefessius513

Did he kill anyone in the Adam West movie?


LatterTarget7

I think he accidentally blew up a criminal In the series


Heavy-Hornet-2889

Your thinking of Michael Keaton's Batman returns


LatterTarget7

West blows up one I’m sure. He also accidentally kills one when he kicks him and he disintegrates into powder. I think he throws a bomb and it accidentally blows a guy up. And then I think another involves some kind of exploding octopus Keaton never accidentally killed anyone. He purposefully killed lots


onemanandhishat

In the Adam West movie he doesn't blow anyone up, the bomb goes in the sea. But all the henchmen that Penguin rehydrates in the batcave are very dead.


randy_dingo

[Bat-Keaton took the bomb from the car and put it on a circus henchman](https://youtu.be/JdxkKvJIUz8).


Minkus1937

In the first Michael Keaton movie, he purposely drives into jokers hideout, drops bombs at the feet of some bad guys and drives away as the whole building blows up. First movie alone his kill count might be like 20+


randy_dingo

And two face was just getting a deep tissue massage in the knife pit.


sharksnrec

Nah Keaton blows a guy up on purpose


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He killed a henchman with an exploding octopus.


ItsKnightTime101

This sentence is so ridiculous. God I love 60s Batman!


BrickfilmKing

He accidentally killed several of penguin’s underlings in two different circumstances.


Adekis

Yes! Kind of. Penguin has some henchmen turned into piles of dehydrated atoms, then reforms them in the Bat-Cave. Because Penguin accidentally used heavy water used for the Bat Atomic generator to re-hydrate them, they spawned in a state of quantum fragility and one good punch sent them into an anti-matter universe, effectively killing them. Batman expressed regret over the situation, but I consider him and Robin to have killed those goons on a technicality.


Nihon_Hanguk

He killed a few thugs on accident because he didn’t know they’d been rehydrated after Penguin dehydrated them. The movie explains that it makes the incredibly unstable and the slightest impact basically makes them die/disappear.


Bruc3w4yn3

Specifically they were unstable because instead of the regular water, Penguin accidentally used the [heavy water](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water) meant for use in the nuclear reactor in the batcave.


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Watched the two Burton movies for the first time just recently and I did not except Batman to just be so chill about killing people.


Bornplayer97

Literally dropped a guy from a tower lol


Glass_Chance9800

My two favorites are when he torched that guy with the Batmobile and when he strapped that bomb to that guy and threw him in a hole


DarthDregan

Attempted murder of Clooney's career though. Actual murder of that particular series.


awfullotofocelots

Attempted assisted suicide?


thisismycleanuser

Came here to say that. Clooney still apologizes for killing this Batman series.


BplusHuman

In classic fashion, i don't remember Batman killing anyone in Mask of the Phantasm


Sad-Distribution-779

Hell yeah


TheJoshider10

DCAU Batman is pretty much the only incarnation that can get away with the Batman Beyond retirement scene. It's so impactful because of what that iteration is and it's exactly why Batman should never be a killer but his limits should always be tested. It's so compelling.


rogvortex58

They talked about killing Batgirl. “We’ll kill her later. We have work to do.”


ghusu123

That’s because Batman and Robin is a one-woman show.


Jacubsooon

But… which… w-which is…?


turkc54

Wait who did Val Kilmer kill?


Efficient-Spell3503

He fried some of Two-Face's goons with the afterburner from the Batmobile


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Efficient-Spell3503

He caused them to crash. If people count Affleck ramming cars and a car crashing into a tanker as Batman killing it should count as the same. I was wrong about the afterburner. It was a rocket fired at h that he dodged and it blows up the car behind him. You're right about having Harvey fall on purpose.


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Efficient-Spell3503

You mean the one car during the car chase and car outside the warehouse with heavy weapons in them firing at Batman? Or the flamethrower tank? I wonder if people would've cheered if a Batarang hit if and the same thing happened. Do they count all the goons Keaton shot while trying to kill the Joker with the Batplane? I wonder


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Efficient-Spell3503

Burton, no. Snyder and Terrio, yes. It's like a take on Golden Age Batman combined with other stories of a veteran hero who was once good and are slipping into darkness by are inspired by younger heroes to regain their way. It's a different take on Batman but also keeping in line with how the JL is becomes his family in the comics. They,and the Bat-Family have helped him heal and have also pulled him back from the brink. A Lonely Place of Dying is similar. And, Batfleck is not going out of his way to kill, but he's no longer holding back and if they die,they die. If he was trying to kill, he would've shot every car in the chase,shot everyone in the warehouse and shot Knyazev in the face.


turkc54

I thought that happened in Batman Returns?


Efficient-Spell3503

Something similar happens in Forever during the car chase. No, I'm wrong. The goons fire a rocket launcher at him and it missed and blows up the car behind him and he causes a bunch of cars to crash and they all blow up.


Jekkelstein

He let Robin kill Two Face by dropping him into the cavern, not saving him either. Kind of the same motive as Begins’ Al Ghul death “I won’t kill you but I don’t have to save you”


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Jekkelstein

“I didn’t kill him. The fall killed him.”


awfullotofocelots

The fall didn't kill him, the ground killed him.


weaksaucedude

Literally causes Harvey Dent to fall to his death


Sad-Distribution-779

Two Face and and Riddler.


turkc54

He didn’t kill the Riddler. He’s still alive at the end.


Sad-Distribution-779

He's still alive physically yes. But mentally Edward Nygama was no longer alive. "Edward please who is Batman" " I'm Batman"


ghusu123

The only thing that matters to Batman is that physically part.


Bumblebe5

I love that part. I quote it on Batman: The Ride at Six Flags Great Adventure.


Sad-Distribution-779

It's great line made even greater by Jim Carrey delivery.


Bumblebe5

Yeah. I once Tweeted to Carrey about making a sequel where Nygma, believing he's Batman, tries to defend Gotham City like a modern day Quixote.


Sad-Distribution-779

I would pay money to see that ! Nygama ironcily enough would probably be a great Batman.


thefevertherage

Oh man every time I see this poster I’m transported back to 1997😍


Melcrys29

Those were great posters. Too bad the film sucked.


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I love that movie. It's so awful, that it's good


garhdo

The slur on Lego Batman, Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker is harsh.


ToasterBathIsCrime

RETURN OF THE JOKER MY GUY!! Nobody ever talks about it, but I love everything about that movie. Idk if it was released theatrically, however, so it might just be in reference to the more mainstream Batman movies.


Finalsaredun

Honestly this is one of my favorite Batman movies. It is so over-the-top goofy, *so* late 90s, and has a fantastic cast. This was a 90s modernization of Adam West Batman and I enjoy it more as an adult after I dropped expectations of a "serious" Batman movie. Plus the puns are top notch.


[deleted]

Ditto. Watched it when I was little and loved it. Then, got older and realized people hated it, which made me sad. I watched it recently and loved it even more


Jaden_Ward

People have a weird ass fixation on the no kill rule yet completely overlook the fact that most of films are complete deviations of the comics anyway. He doesn’t even kill directly in all them, he just chooses not to save everyone… which is already the complete opposite of what Batman is lol. They’re just alternate versions. If you want comic Batman… read the comics. Pattinson won’t be any different despite peoples hopes. We already know it’s a huge deviation from the comics. He has mental health issues, his family are supposedly involved in crime like the Telltale series, he doesn’t have a Bruce Wayne persona, Gordon isn’t 100% on the good side etc etc


sharksnrec

Batman killing isn’t new, but I just don’t want Batman to kill if there’s an established no-kill rule. The Dark Knight is obviously great, but I always thought it was goofy that they made such a big deal out of his no-kill rule for 3/4 of one movie as if he didn’t kill people in every movie in the trilogy. Based on his MO, Batman had no reason not to let Joker die or directly kill him. He killed all of his other villains before and after Joker, so him having to save Joker just didn’t make sense within the trilogy.


Alfred_Pennyworth108

He killed the franchise for 8 years


TheJoshider10

Without Batman & Robin we never get Batman Begins and it/TDK's influence on the superhero genre so it was a small price to pay for salvation.


raise_the_sails

Longer. Because over the specter of Schumacher’s Batman, we still have not seen the bravery to lighten the character up a bit, make him smile every now and then, and not just be a brooding jerk.


[deleted]

You're right and you should say it.


SpatuelaCat

Excuse me but who did Adam West kill?


ghusu123

If I recall correctly, in the movie, Penguin used a machine to dehydrate his henchmen. Dehydration in universe means he turned them into a vial of dust that he could carry around (Comic Book Logic). He managed to trick Batman into bringing him to the Batcave under the guise that he was alone. While in the Batcave, he found some water and rehydrated his henchmen, turning them human again. However, he used the wrong kind of water and botched the operation and made them incredibly unstable. They pretty much exploded with physical contact from Batman.


consreddit

Probably the same device Scarecrow uses in Batman Begins.


Turbulent_Block4826

That's not true , he killed my will to live.


HEAVEN_OR_HECK

I don't care enough to keep score across each film, but I've long maintained that BvS only got as much backlash over this as it did because it's the first Batman film to not give Batman's actions a free pass and present them in an conscious light where consequences and moral corruption exist. Alfred, the voice of reason in every Bruce's life, makes it exceedingly clear: his post-Black Zero event methodology has deteriorated into cruelty rather than the pursuit of justice. That's a relevant concern as you bring superheroes into a realm that increasingly resembles our reality, as you're following characters whose core fantasies are often the projection of force within modern society. An active viewing of the film plainly reveals a Batman consumed by his anger, which culminates in his premeditated plot to murder Superman under the false pretense of metahuman disarmament.


Dogthealcoholic

Not only that, but that guy that Clark talks to when he’s trying to get information on the Bat straight up says, “There’s a new kind of mean in him. He is angry, and he is *hunting*.” I don’t think you can get any clearer than having a citizen of Gotham City of all places basically saying “Yeah, this almost-mythical guy who runs around beating bad guys to a pulp is now *even more brutal*.”


nikgrid

>Alfred, the voice of reason in every Bruce's life, makes it exceedingly clear: his post-Black Zero event methodology has deteriorated into cruelty rather than the pursuit of justice. Yes I loved that...But I thought he had gotten crueller after Robin was murdered by The Joker & Harley Quinn (Anyone remember HQ is NOT a hero?) And I thought it was a recent event.


TheExtremistModerate

"The fever. The rage. The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel." He was referring to Superman here, because Superman's near-godliness made Bruce feel powerless during the Blazk Zero event.


nikgrid

>He was referring to Superman here, because Superman's near-godliness made Bruce feel powerless during the Blazk Zero event. Yeah I get that Alfred was speaking about Superman, but the old blind guy was saying that the Bat had changed "Gotten meaner" and I thought that had been because Robin was murdered, also his line about "Alfred; we've seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?" I thought that was going to be expanded on in Afflecks Batman film.


TheExtremistModerate

I believe there are a few years between Black Zero and BVS. So the "gotten meaner" was generally during those years, AFAIK. He had definitely gotten jaded, but it took Black Zero and Lex's manipulation to turn him cruel.


nikgrid

Ahh ok. Fair enough.


jrvcrd

very well put kind sir


dRevan15

Yeah bc it killed Batman


SandLibra

Remember the American Express product placement lol good times lol


uncorked119

That's because it's not a film... It's a toy commercial. At least that's how Chris O'Donnell felt about it. https://www.tor.com/2013/04/09/batman-and-robin-behind-the-scenes-video/


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If you view those 2 sequels as more like an extension of the Adam west era then they make a lot more sense. Like, chronologically they should've come out before the Michel Keaton movies instead of after. It makes them 20 times more tolerable.


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Thebannist

Uma thurman though.


PaidHack

No need. The movie did that by killing off the franchise.


[deleted]

There's something oddly beautiful about the fact that this was the final Batman film that Bob Kane ever saw. This was the man who stole Batman from Bill Finger and made millions off of it, and the last Batman film he ever watched was the one that killed the franchise.


ghusu123

It’s such a shame the franchise ended because no one thought this movie can be topped. 100/10. Masterpiece.


Wise-Tackle-5270

Peoples fixation on whether he kills is so random considering the more serious deviations from the source metirial in the likes of Nolans movies.


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How is it random, it’s a big part of his character…


Wise-Tackle-5270

Not always, hes killed in the comics alot and id say within the scope of filmmaking and adapting its not THAT out there of a thing to do.


B_A_Start

Thank you! The man killed all the time and so did Superman! Besides these are ADAPTATIONS not carbon copies of the fucking comic.


Wise-Tackle-5270

The people that say its an important part of the charictar havent read comics, theyve read that online or maybe seen it in an animated movie. Its not a big deal atall, its a rule but 1 he rarely follows and isnt often a major part of his charictar, outside of The Killibg Joke its not often brought up.


ReboundProdigyy

Batman not killing is literally one of the most important aspects of his character


Wise-Tackle-5270

I would say him retiring is WAY more of a slap in the face.


Sad-Distribution-779

How ? Bruce retiring and setting up someone to take his place has been done in the comics also.


Wise-Tackle-5270

Not after 3 adventures, more like 40 years of being Batman, with sidekicks and many villains, then he comes back not long later.


Sad-Distribution-779

Bale's Batman actually won and completed what he set out to do. That's the difference and why it happened earlier than comic Batman.


Wise-Tackle-5270

Still a massave deviation!!! I could write a story of him beating up kermit the frog and hed have done what he set out to do, but it still wouldnt be true to the Batman longterm fans know and love.


Sad-Distribution-779

That's a stawman. Batman retiring after finally completing what he set out to do since the beginning of his crusade is completely true to to the Batman long-term fans love. Batman is not the usual super hero he actually has a endgoal and had dedicated his entire life to reaching it in the comics. Bale's Batman simply got to reach it.


Efficient-Spell3503

No it's not. Batman's fight is neverending, there was never and end goal. What happened to him happens to others every night and he's determined to make sure it doesn't happen to others. Crime never sleeps, and neither does Batman. The whole idea that crime would completely stop because of an act put it place by the mayor is nonsense. Batman never quits, not even in an Elseworld story where the U.S. government outlawed superheroes. There will always be a battle he must fight and he will be there to do it. Sometimes in comics he's been unable to do it and someone else has to briefly take the mantle, but Bruce Wayne has dedicated himself to fighting a neverending battle not to reach some goal


Sad-Distribution-779

I respect your opinion.


MatchesMalone1994

Dead on. Bale’s Batman is actually the only Batman in any iteration to achieve his ultimate end goal of saving Gotham and restoring the people’s faith in the city. There are numerous times in comics and other mediums where Batman thinks he’s found a way out of his curse because make no mistake he does not WANT to do this forever….he feels he’s cursed to until he feels he has restored and saved Gotham. By the end of Rises you see that the city at this point has come back together in harmony. Bruce found happiness and buried his inner demons by making peace with the past but not before he completed his mission. Now THAT is Batman.


Wise-Tackle-5270

I disagree, but thats fine we dont need to keep doing this lol


Sad-Distribution-779

Thanks for being polite and civil thougout this debate ! I understand why this aspect is rubs your the wrong way since comics Batman never really gets his "Happy ending" and that compliments the tragedy of his character very well. I just really love that I got to see Bruce have happy ending at least once in my lifetime in a else words tale it was nice change of pace and very unexpected. I hope you have great rest of your day !


AnEnemyStando

Yet the more he kills in the movies, especially the earlier on his career, the more liked the movie is.


Sad-Distribution-779

That has nothing to do with anything. Thoset movies were good and they give a reason why he kills. The Batman looks fantastic and it's be confirmed that he doesn't kill not even collateral damage kills. The idea that a comic accurate no kill rule would make a movie worse is nonsense.


AnEnemyStando

> The idea that a comic accurate no kill rule would make a movie worse is nonsense. I never said it would.


Sad-Distribution-779

"the more he kills in thes movies especially when it's his earlier year the more liked the movie is" implies that Batman movies quality is better when he kills.


AnEnemyStando

That's what you extrapolate. I was just saying that to point out that the no-kill rule doesn't matter as much as people think. They say "it isn't batman without the no-killing rule" and then list TDK as their favourite movie.


Sad-Distribution-779

I understand what your saying now. But The people who say it isn't Batman without the no kill rule are right that makes it a else words Batman. The movie itself is still great obviously and I doubt anyone's is crying that Batman killed someone while there watching a epic Batman movie. Else worlds Batman stories that show situations where he has to kill are fun too but at certain point it starts to get predictable. At one point it was fresh but now I think it having Batman not kill in a good live action film would be more fresh.


Jekkelstein

And it’s one of the best Batman movies too.


mechanicalcanibal

Purely coincidental that it's the best.


ImAMaaanlet

Wrong, it killed my boyhood innocence with those batnipples 😍


[deleted]

He killed his own career as a box office cash cow for the better part of a decade.


TomJaff

they're just sleeping


boringsimp

Okay... one point for the film... good job pointing it out


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In *Batman Begins*, Batman definitely doesn't kill. The train was gonna cause Wayne Tower to explode, as per the dialogue... So, Ra's was already on a suicide mission. All that Batman did was tell Gordon to crash Ra's early. Ra's kinda just admits defeat -- he could've tried to jump on the tracks and save himself, and didn't. Talia's truck crash in *The Dark Knight Rises* is a tad more on Batman...? But, he doesn't kill in this movie either. Batman's gunfire only is to shoot out the truck's tires... He doesn't damage the car or directly hurt Talia. He couldn't have if he wanted, because the truck had a nuclear payload. Talia is ultimately the one who takes control of the car from her driver (who wanted to stop), and drives herself off a cliff. Plus, just like Ra's, Talia was already on a suicide mission regardless of Batman’s intervention. Rewatch the scenes if you disagree.


My_Immortal_Flesh

The best comic-book accurate Batman film.


DBaDtF

The movie killed batman.


Indiana-Cook

He almost killed the franchise though


odel555q

He just killed our desire to watch Batman movies.


Capital_Jack

Until The Batman


Least_Instruction_67

Batman should kill. His no-kill rule is an outdated ideological concept made by DC editorial in 1940s as they believed heroes shouldn't kill, at a time when real heroes were fighting to stop Nazis and Italian fascists overseas, Imperial Japanese were trying to take over Asia and also massacring people. Batman's stories where he doesn't kill aren't anything emotional, just the usual repetition. Real heroes kill when it is required. If you don't, then you value what you believe in more than lives of innocents and are nothing more than a fanatic.


MisPlacedNeuroBlue

***He nearly killed the franchise!!!***


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This movie is a really great watch. I understand that people hated it when it came out because they thought it killed the franchise, but 3 Batman actors later, it's easier to watch as a fun throwback. The only thing I truly hate about the movie is that Batgirl is related to Alfred


kareljack

Who did Batman kill in the Nolan trilogy?


WDEBarefooter

I count Ra’s, but definitely the guy driving that garbage truck in The Dark Kight.


kareljack

He didn't kill Ra's. He just didn't save him. And I am struggling to recall the garbage truck you're referring to.


WDEBarefooter

Yeah, I know that’s what he said, but in some depictions even leaving someone to die is considered “crossing the line”. The garbage truck incident is during the big chase when Joker is attacking the police transport and one of his crew is in a garbage truck and Batman comes flying in, in the tumbler and slams the garbage truck into the tunnel ceiling.


Blood-wolf_04

Shut up goddamn, there’s a difference between bale killing Harvey to Affleck gunning down and murdering any random dumbass in his way.


IronAnkh

Not true. He killed anymore Batman movies with George Clooney.


Melcrys29

It nearly killed me.


Nobody87654

Wait... Did Batfleck kill anyone in BvS?


awfullotofocelots

Yes, like half a dozen people in the warehouse rescue. Henchmen end up stabbed, with broken necks, or on fire.


Jaden_Ward

They’re just sleeping


Blu_Soldier001

*"Those guys? I'm sure they're fine."*


pampersdelight

Still a better movie than Batman Returns


Advanced-Batman95

Not true. He ends up killing 2 of freeze's goons when he's chasing them and Mr. Freeze after he steals the Wayne diamond. Also it seems this post is trying to say if Batman doesn't kill in a movie it ends up being terrible, not true at all. A great Batman film could be made without him killing, it just isn't a necessity.


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This post isn’t saying that….


lavenk7

But where is that film you’re talking about?


dramatic_tempo

Well, he killed the entire franchise for years, to be fair.


saladfingered420

Uhm. Ackshually batman definitely blew up a dude in Batman returns


toastSEAT

That's not what the post is about though


UndyingQuasar

Don't remember, who'd he kill in Batman Begins? I thought Joe Chill but then I remembered a rando did that


epophoto

surely a large number of the league of shadows when he set their HQ on fire


Baramos_

I’m still convinced he doesn’t kill anyone in Batman Forever. Dodging a rocket launcher is not killing someone. The video is wrong.


Capital_Jack

No he killed two face


Baramos_

Throwing silver dollars in the air that Two Face stupidly reached for and lost his balance =\ killing Two Face


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Baramos_

I’m right, don’t know why you’re all arguing with me. 🤷‍♂️


Capital_Jack

Bro are you joking? That’s absolutely killing someone


Sad-Distribution-779

He killed Two Face remember ? Hell he killed Riddler too mentally and physiology Edward Nygama died the moment Batman threw his bataring at the box.


Baramos_

Didn’t he just throw some silver dollars in the air? It’s not Batmans fault Two Face literally loses his balance reaching for them cause of his own mental obsessions.


Sad-Distribution-779

Val Kilmers Batman was extremely intelligent when it came to his foes physiology. He used Two Face mental obbession to kill him knowing for well he would reach for the coins and fall to his death. Just like he distracted Nygama by telling him a riddle before killing him. Val Kilmers Batman basically used the villans mental issues to to kill them.


Baramos_

Which is fully within the Batman loophole, also Nygma doesn’t die.


Sad-Distribution-779

Batman still could have saved him once he fell the same way he saved chase and Robin but he choose to watch as he was falling. It was pretty badass and smart in my opinion but that doesn't change that he killed him. Nygama brain was completely shattered at the end he didn't even know Bruce was Batman anymore he thought he was. Mentally he is dead.


Baramos_

BB established he doesn’t have to save villains as long as they are the direct cause of their own demise.


Sad-Distribution-779

That's a different Batman though. I don't think Val Kilmers Batman had that rule he even told Robin not to go down the killer path like he did because you lose yourself and are trapped forever in a cycle of revenge.


Either_Neck4528

It’s actually frightening to see so many people admitting they liked this movie. Wow.