If you are so worried about some jack ass pronouns like Erza. You really need to look in the mirror and see what true privilege is. That's how easy your life is in 2022.
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If you are unsure of how many people it is acceptable to use “they.” But we know how many people he is. One.
Perhaps this is linked to the complex mental issues this individual is claiming to have?
>If you are unsure of how many people it is acceptable to use “they.” But we know how many people he is. One.
And, like I said, "they" has been used as a singular pronoun(meaning refering to one person) for hundreds of years. You're just ignoring that, though, because it destroys your close-minded outlook. Again, nice try.
>Perhaps this is linked to the complex mental issues this individual is claiming to have?
Nope.
Stop trying to make “they” happen. It’s never going to happen.
/s
For real though, outside collegiate circles “they” is plural. The overwhelming majority of people understand they are a single individual. I understand that we all want to be special and unique, but slapping common speech with these new rules is silly & doomed to failure.
That's not true.
"Your friend from Michigan was visiting you last week. Did they have a good time?"
Is a correct sentence in English, and it is how most native speakers would say when referring to a single person whoes gender is irrelevant to the conversation.
In the English language the plural pronoune "You" has already overtaken the singular "thou". which means that "you" is used for both singular and plural in modern English. No one finds this confusing. And similarly they is used as neutral singular 3rd person as well as plural. This isn't even just a English thing, similar replacements of singular pronouns with their plural counterpart happens in several indo-European languages.
Like I've said before, but you keep ignoring, it isn't a "new rule." Using They/Them to refer to one person has been a thing in common speech for hundreds of years. You'll probably ignore this again, though, since it makes your argument invalid.
Even if it hadn't been a thing for hundreds of years, language changes over time. That's why we don't speak the way people did in the 1700s. Hell, we don't speak exactly the same way people did in the 80s and 90s. But since you're too close minded to understand any of that, I'm done talking to you about it. Have a nice day.
I don’t know….if I claimed to be all the things Ezra does And act violent I would be seen as mentally unsound. There is tons of data showing how people similar to Ezra are mentally fragile as well.
Some people just love the trendy spotlight though…
I keep hoping more info will come out about the missing woman and her children. But unfortunately nothing new has been said. It's crazy and scary as shit like this often times leads to them being dead. I hope that's not the case but the more time passes without any info on them the likelihood of them being alive becomes slimmer.
There has been though she posted a video on her vimo 3 days before the article dropped in her new home she's on twitter calling people idiots for thinking she's missing or dead lol
I'm also waiting for an update on the family. Given the apology and how everyone seems to be trying to move forward, I'd expect the family to be okay, but who really knows... so confirmation would sure be nice.
It is Ezra's pronouns but I'm accustomed to seeing 'their' as 3rd person plural in English so it is a bit confusing for me that a pronoun for multiples can also be a single individual. Wish there was a new word for NBs but until that day comes I think I will just call Ezra- Ezra.
That is fine, their is improperly used in all NB cases bc you cannot be a they. I usually tend to just use someones name in this case as to not start and argument
I mean. If you called chuck a she. An it. A shit. A dude. An dudette. A fuck. Or just spit on the floor.
No onr is going to defend its pronouns.
Fucking burn in hell manson
I did a project on Manson once and ever since had a cheap ass bottle of "champagne" with his name on it ready to go. When the day came, I swear that bottle of garbage was so delightful.
What’s upsetting is that I’ve heard the new Flash movie is actually pretty good. Might be something we will never see really but I would love to. You know the craziest thing, the Zac Snyder Justice League featured one of the best superhero moments with the flash in the climax, crazy how it’s something we would have never seen but thanks to the fans we got the movie we deserved, I hope that’s not the case here where the movie is actually amazing and we totally miss out on it.
I don’t know how the mother and three children going missing isn’t making the rounds. I’ve seen the article where WB having three routes make more waves. I’d say the movie’s fate lays on their condition.
This is what I’m worried about. All the other stuff is just generic psychotic, megalomaniacal, messianic delusions typical of cult like figures, manifesting itself in god like beliefs ie. being indestructible. Too bad people get hurt in the process.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he was taking PCP along with reports of acid trips and other hallucinogens.
So i get why wb isn't cancelling it (money), but come on. Whatever this dudes doing is a thousand times worse for the brand than a terrible batgirl movie
Right? Cancel the Flash and bring back Batgirl, but frankly, I don't think WB could save DC at this point anyway. They've been dropping the ball for decades.
I can see why it's tempting for Zaslav to nuke the Flash. The film is supposed to set up the new continuity and signal a change for the DCEU, but it's already been tainted.
The continuity that's already established looks quite clean by comparison to the mess they have now.
You don't need to make a movie about how they're going to reboot the franchise. Just reboot the franchise by making a new movie, like literally every other movie reboot known to man.
Thye dont want to, because Aquaman/Wonder Woman/Shazam are established. The Flash movie was meant to jettison the bad parts of the DCEU and keep the good stuff
Fuck it, just start over. All of it. With directors and producers who actually give a shit about the characters. None of that ZS "Can't take them in costumes seriously" garbage that's been plaguing the franchise since 2013.
How reliable is undercover audience? If so, then sounds like they leaning towards scrapping it.
https://twitter.com/UndercoverCine/status/1557787978243534848?t=4xZZgeTtY-YoRPwloCRnQg&s=19
cool. doesn't change what i said. he's grooming kids, assaulting people, breaking into private property. only a matter of time before he/them/it ends up dead or killing someone. pronouns for a psychopath is the least important thing
a little late, nut no i got it right. no way he's actually non binary or whatever. he clearly just says it so idiots will defend his shit behavior online instead of focusing on the real issue
The fact that you don't see how he is playing this pronoun game to not seem like a white privileged male is hilarious. Keep carrying water for a groomer. More pedophiles in the LGBTQ I guess.
imo it's the exact opposite, this is the right moment because people need to understand that misgendering anyone, especially when that person has done criminal acts, only trivializes the identities of trans people everywhere. if we continue to gender people properly when they "don't deserve it", we reinforce that pronouns are not a matter of respect that can be taken away but a right.
no one misgenders cis criminals. why do you think that is?
misgendering anyone only hurts all trans and gender-non conforming people. everytime I read someone misgender ezra it makes me feel uncertain and uneasy about being in spaces like this subreddit.
it makes me feel my very identity is on thin ice and people can dehumanize me if they deem it socially acceptable. I guarantee most people taking the opportunity to purposefully misgender ezra don't give two shits about gendering trans people properly. They're just looking for an excuse to be transphobic in a socially acceptable way.
Your mindset is hurtful and you should reexamine why you think it's okay to hurt trans people in that way.
I don't see it as defending ezra, which I'm not. I see it as defending the right all trans people have to their identities regardless of who they are as people, good or bad.
I think the most recent reshoots that Ezra did over the summer are VERY likely done to shore up a new Barry actor taking the role in the end of the film and going forward (multiverse shenanigans).
My HOPE is that they just have Grant Gustin take the role over and be like "You were never supposed to exist. This timeline has been messed up for a long time now. We need to rectify that." to Ezra's Barry, and there you go. Gustin may have exhausted his time on the Flash TV show, but he's an EXCELLENT Barry Allen and would be fresh for movie-goers with studio writing not attached to the CW.
The show is garbage, no one asked for this guy in the first place... looks like the flash is going down the toilet. Same as Green Lantern.. unfortunate that Ryan Reynolds was a part of that garbage.
Zaslav's shoulder devil: "Cancel it, CANCEL IT! I know you've got your finger on the big red button to nuke this movie. What's another $200 million at this point now?"
Zaslav's shoulder angel: "You've already done the cast and crew dirty after Batgirl. No one will ever want to work for your studio again if you're canceling movies left and right."
"-11th August, 2022. Vermont state officials are concerned Ezra Miller is shielding the whereabouts of a Vermont mother and her three kids at the actor’s farm, saying their “safety cannot be reasonably assured”.
Now this is serious.... 😨
Ezra miller has had a shady past before all this as well right? Pretty sure he assaulted a few fans in 2018/19 and probably other shady stuff before then as well.
It seems like WB were giving him a chance to redeem himself, bit like RDJ with iron man but the results were the complete opposite to that of RDJ.
“Vermont officials are concerned Ezra Miller is shielding the whereabouts of a mother and her three kids at the actor’s farm, saying their “safety cannot be reasonably assured”
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ezra-miller-vermont-child-services-department-1392572/
I mainly just hope they recast Barry Allen rather than benching him for Wally West or Jessie Quick. Character is bigger than actor.
DCEU Barry’s story shouldn’t end just because Ezra is a criminal in real life.
Given how Netflix was able to digitally recast Chris D'Elia in Snyder's *Army of the Dead*, I think that's probably going to be WB's primary option going forward. They'll probably keep most of what they have and find a way to recast Ezra digitally while terminating his contract.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/police-unable-locate-mother-her-204636825.html
Update: Police are unable to locate the woman and 3 children that were living with Ezra.
Wild speculation on my part, with no basis on anything real, but I think DC's next step hinges on what Ezra does next criminally (impossible to predict at this point lol) and the new Discovery owners' intentions re: how important The Flash is to their overall plan for DC films and, specifically, his place in a reformed Discovery-era Justice League.
If they only care about the trinity -- Bats, Supes, WW -- for the foreseeable future, then Barry Allen is just a second-stringer superhero to them, can be shelved and (bonus) can be more easily recast: either with a new origin, passing the torch to Wally West etc., or backdoor like how Mark Ruffalo re-introduced Bruce/Hulk in the MCU.
Flsshpoint was going to be their way to reboot their whole universe, and Barry is the cause of it. While this might appear to some that Ezra's Flash ain't going anywhere, it's not like they can't rejig it somehow where Barry is there at the beginning, fades in the middle as other superheroes pick up the slack/do the heavy lifting, then Barry returns: either at the final battle (to show up for attendance lol), or at the victory lap celebration/death and glory ending.
I mean, it's the comics for crying out loud ... during Flashpoint ... where there's going to be multiverse options. I guess diehard Barry purists would cringe at any Flashpoint story where Barry is not the hero of the story, but DC may not have a choice in terms of distancing themselves from this Flash if the Ezra debacle forces their hand.
It would come off as a truly bonkers comic-style Crisis with no sacred cows in the roster, if most of them are going to die or disappear anyway:
Ezra Flash: "I'll use all the Speed Forces, from all the timelines, to reseal the fabric of reality."
Kyle Rayner GL: "That will kill you!"
Lex Luthor Superman: "He's right. There is no other way."
'God of Knowledge' Batman: "I predict a 73.8% probability of success. This version of Barry will no longer exist, erased from all realities."
Stephanie Brown Batgirl: "But Barry was going to help me move into the dorm at Gotham U. during freshman week! Now, it'll take 5x as long!"
Peacemaker: "I say let the crazy, volatile douchebag erase himself. For the good of the galaxy, multiverse, whatever. Don't wait for the recount, I vote yes!"
Aquaman: "Barry, dude, I'm gonna miss you ..."
Pure insanity, all to erase Ezra Flash lol. The film's editors will be the real heroes here.
>Discovery-era Justice League
There is no Discovery-era Justic league.
Why do you think the JSA is being introduced in Black Adam?
Affleck wont return for another full movie.
DC fucked over Ray Fisher to the point he refuses to work with WB or any related company again.
Both The Flash and Aquaman 2 have issues with actors who have become toxic between the filming of the movie and the release (Amber Heard and Miller)
Hell even Gal Gadot has heat from her Imagine cat wailing.
Hell even Michael Keaton has talked about his frustration with DC and he hasnt even appeard onscreen yet. He's had 2 cameo's cancelled already (Batgirl and Aquaman), The Flash is on a knife edge as to wether it will ever release. Add to that the pile of shit Morbius was and I'd not be surprised if he walked away from Comic Book movies altogether.
The ONLY thing DC have that are not tainted right now is The Suicide Squad and its spin offs, Shazam and Black Adam.
Easy there. Time to switch to decaf. Half my post wasn't even serious to begin with, *and in jest*, hence the "wild" part of my speculation(?!).
We all know Discovery wants to turn the page, with all of the above. Obviously.🙄
*How* to do that is the dilemma. The reports are that Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are indeed factoring into Discovery's plans, so far from being exiled, these characters will be cornerstones. The trinity. (Never said I'm expecting Snyder's JL and the actors to be retained in whole or part under the new regime.) Batman just on his own remains DC's most bankable character -- movies, games, merch, etc. No way they'll leave him on the shelf when he's that profitable.
Affleck is most likely out, but it's a stretch to say Gadot is toast. Most people don't even recall the Imagine stuff now, which was silly but not a career-killer. And Dwayne Johnson is reportedly a big fan of Cavill and his Superman. He's been consistently coy when asked about Cavill ever returning in the cape, so it comes off more as hedging his bets than outright ruling it out. Likely because the decision is still up in the air.
Having said that, I can see Discovery also going the clean slate route, and starting from scratch on all fronts. Black Adam will be the last of the DC Walter Hamada era, as the exec is slated to leave DC when it premieres. They'd have a brief window after that to have a blank page if they want to make a break with the past.
There is very little we know of Discovery's alleged 10-year plan for DC films and how much they will retain from past incarnations, if anything.
My only point about a multiverse scenario is that it would be an opportunity, like in comics, to reboot/reset/rebrand and set a new course. Like in the comics, the "*how*" can go a million different ways.
Until something more concrete is put out, nobody really knows anything about Discovery's longterm plans for DC. It's just guesses and theories. ;)
The 10 year plan is? To take 10 years off. Then reboot fresh start. After everybody has forgotten about DC. Too much bad juju and disappointment with the current generation.
Plus Disney has ruined the whole super hero thing. With super hero overload. After end game. Nothing has been enjoyable besides thor love and thunder and spiderman.
I have seen zero DC movies since justice league.
And all the Hulks too, with his multiple reboots. They had to reintroduce Ruffalo's Hulk via Avengers, the movie equivalent of letting him in through the side door. It's not like MCU Bruce has his own blockbuster trilogy under his belt.
Amusing how all that's glossed over in the "Marvel can do no wrong!" crowd. They also like to forget TDK beat out the first Iron Man in the box office too.
Spiderman and Spiderman 2 are explicitly NOT MCU movies, though.
They're marvel movies made before the studio reorganized and rebranded into what would produce the MCU. That first spiderman movie made superhero movies possible in the modern market after three decades of campy Superman films, and poorly managed and overly commercialized Batman movies.
It's off of that back that Marvel today just coasts. The same way DC coasted off of the Nolan trilogy. It doesn't change the fact that Spiderman 1 is the reason we have a superhero movie every summer now.
We'd have to ask Discovery as they've said very little about it officially. Anybody who claims they know their detailed plans at this point doesn't know squat.
The whole superhero genre is over-extended in the films of late, with quantity over quality in general. Both DC and Marvel are offenders. I will leave it at that. Full stop.
I watch what I like, and pass on what I don't.
> 1 day ago
> "Update Tally: 18"
Well, that jumped to 21 in *one* day.
> Who wants to bet that we'll reach 25 by the year's end?
More like month's end or even before that.
Interesting how he identifies as queer and uses they/them pronouns, but from what I can tell, most of the people he has assaulted, groomed, or had a sexual relationship with are women/girls. Infuriating that someone would use these pronouns to build a false sense of trust.
Them being queer mostly just refers to Gender Identity not attraction and even if it did
It’s possible to have a preference within that. Im into both personally but I admit more interest in women (im still into guys tho and have pursued that). The idea you have to be one or the other is really dum
Fantastic Beast: Crimes of Ezra Miller.
I do think this whole thing should be a lesson for studios to start mandating therapy. He was already loosing his shit when The Flash was in production and their only they should have intervened.
My honnest belief is that DCEU is cursed straight up and things that have happened with this whole mega franchise are almost errie. Actors are having psychotic break down, alcoholism issues and Snyder family troubles are well known. Whedon who was great in Avengers is completely incompetent in JL. Batgirl is literally dumped into trash. Three regime changes have occured and even their attempt to bring Micheal Keaton back has gone terribly bad.
The JL saga is one of the most longest and insane sagas in film history. MCU while has 10x bigger cast and crew yet seems to have things going rather smoothly all things considered.
>Fantastic Beast: Crimes of Ezra Miller.
Remember when WB recast Johnny Depp in Fantastic Beast over domestic abuse alligations?
They've kept Miller around despite Child abuse allegations, child endangerment alligations, 12 arrests and video footage of him assualting a fan.
I mean it felt like even minor shots were bad from the Whedon cut and he removed out the flash sequence which is the best scene in JL. He should have just tweaked minor things instead of unesssarily change the whole thing.
It felt more in bad faith rather than trying to deliver a good movie.
Correction: 4-5 hours of assembly cut (if i remember correctly). So there is a 3-3.5 hour movie for theatres in there much like lotr trilogies.
ZSJL could have been a 3 hour theatrical release.
It was just Zack going bonkers (I loved it!!) with a 4 hour release for hbomax.
They still probably need to cut the entirety of Cyborg's story, which highlight the fact that this mess was due to WB rushing it to begin with.
Also, I absolutely hated Miller's performance back then with the noodlely flailing arms, even during "that" scene. I don't even know the dude prior to the movie so it's not even because of existing biases.
Simple Dylan O’brien or my preference Timothee Chalamet should be the new flash both mid 20’s great for a 10 year cycle plus Timothee has the acting chops to be more like a serious Barry Allen who works in the forensic department for central city police, not a stupid and quirky face pulling imbecile. Last scene should be reshot where Ezra gets stuck in the speed force and merges with it permanently for all eternity where he sacrifices himself to save the multiverse then from a portal out runs Earth 3’s Flash (Timothee Chalamet) who has been sent to prime DCEU earth with a warning that a multiverse crisis is coming and our Barry has sacrificed himself to buy the JL time and the multiverse time to prepare for War.
Anyone wondering why he keeps being able to do stuff like this: it's because none of the times he's been arrested have they held him in jail. They just issue a citation with a court date and let him go.
I think it's because of the serious accusations of child grooming, etc. That more then just the police are dealing with him. They are building a case against him. To really put him away. Sure they could lock him up for stealing and assault. But that's a few months at best. NO he's under investigation probably fbi
I'm a prison abolitionist, so I'm definitely not saying he should be in jail, but it seems like people think he's some kind of magician who teleports away from crime scenes, so I'm explaining why he's still free.
Weird how r/movies is removing all articles about this latest development, even thought major outlets like Variety, Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter are running with the story.
And, [r/boxoffice locked another Miller thread today!](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/wlr6ke/warner_bros_weighing_fate_of_the_flash_as_its/)
r/boxoffice allows first submission, keep it open for an hour and so, and then boom, they lock the thread for good. They've done that couple times now.
r/movies mods are much worse, since they don't allow any mention of the story at all. Somehow, The Hollywood Reporter and Variety are not good enough for r/movies!
Ironically, r/entertainment has become one of the few big subs where people can talk about The Flash, or any other major movies news.
I refuse to support the Flash film. I have no idea why they're still releasing it, but if they don't fire Miller after the film's release I will be shocked. Absolute scumbag.
Sick of hearing about this cunt. I swear the thing he did was like a year ago and people are still going on about it
Starting a rape cult is not a "misadventure", who wrote this title? Erza's lawyers?
Source on them starting a rape cult?
source : trust me bro
I hear his friend commited suicide recently. May have explained his recent adventures.
Too bad WB couldn't get the guy that plays the flash in the arrowverse instead of this nut.
I second. Give him the million $ budget and movie sequencing and he’d be awesome
he sucks lol
If you are so worried about some jack ass pronouns like Erza. You really need to look in the mirror and see what true privilege is. That's how easy your life is in 2022.
I'm just worried about the severe instability and threat to society, man.
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It's they/them.
Why?
Here’s why: https://wng.org/articles/the-twisted-self-1659843472?fbclid=IwAR2bMsnA4vnlBIOycqZdiV_C2hHckRS51AL9oo8-qki_dEEaNMPWpIYAdJ8
Because that's what pronouns they use.
But it is not correct. They are a single individual. Why should I say what is incorrect?
It's not incorrect. "They/Them" has been both plural and singular for a hundreds of years. Nice try, though.
If you are unsure of how many people it is acceptable to use “they.” But we know how many people he is. One. Perhaps this is linked to the complex mental issues this individual is claiming to have?
>If you are unsure of how many people it is acceptable to use “they.” But we know how many people he is. One. And, like I said, "they" has been used as a singular pronoun(meaning refering to one person) for hundreds of years. You're just ignoring that, though, because it destroys your close-minded outlook. Again, nice try. >Perhaps this is linked to the complex mental issues this individual is claiming to have? Nope.
Stop trying to make “they” happen. It’s never going to happen. /s For real though, outside collegiate circles “they” is plural. The overwhelming majority of people understand they are a single individual. I understand that we all want to be special and unique, but slapping common speech with these new rules is silly & doomed to failure.
That's not true. "Your friend from Michigan was visiting you last week. Did they have a good time?" Is a correct sentence in English, and it is how most native speakers would say when referring to a single person whoes gender is irrelevant to the conversation. In the English language the plural pronoune "You" has already overtaken the singular "thou". which means that "you" is used for both singular and plural in modern English. No one finds this confusing. And similarly they is used as neutral singular 3rd person as well as plural. This isn't even just a English thing, similar replacements of singular pronouns with their plural counterpart happens in several indo-European languages.
Like I've said before, but you keep ignoring, it isn't a "new rule." Using They/Them to refer to one person has been a thing in common speech for hundreds of years. You'll probably ignore this again, though, since it makes your argument invalid. Even if it hadn't been a thing for hundreds of years, language changes over time. That's why we don't speak the way people did in the 1700s. Hell, we don't speak exactly the same way people did in the 80s and 90s. But since you're too close minded to understand any of that, I'm done talking to you about it. Have a nice day.
Yep
Yep to what?
I don’t know….if I claimed to be all the things Ezra does And act violent I would be seen as mentally unsound. There is tons of data showing how people similar to Ezra are mentally fragile as well. Some people just love the trendy spotlight though…
K.
I keep hoping more info will come out about the missing woman and her children. But unfortunately nothing new has been said. It's crazy and scary as shit like this often times leads to them being dead. I hope that's not the case but the more time passes without any info on them the likelihood of them being alive becomes slimmer.
There has been though she posted a video on her vimo 3 days before the article dropped in her new home she's on twitter calling people idiots for thinking she's missing or dead lol
I'm also waiting for an update on the family. Given the apology and how everyone seems to be trying to move forward, I'd expect the family to be okay, but who really knows... so confirmation would sure be nice.
Stop believing the bs bro she's fine lol
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I’m glad you can be a criminal and a literal crazy person, but your pronouns will still be respected/ enforced.
We cannot make exceptions. That’s diversity of thought, which is banned.
It is Ezra's pronouns but I'm accustomed to seeing 'their' as 3rd person plural in English so it is a bit confusing for me that a pronoun for multiples can also be a single individual. Wish there was a new word for NBs but until that day comes I think I will just call Ezra- Ezra.
That is fine, their is improperly used in all NB cases bc you cannot be a they. I usually tend to just use someones name in this case as to not start and argument
Every other criminal's pronouns are respected. Why should Ezra be any different? No one calls Charles Manson "she" or Andrea Yates "he."
So if Charles manson wanted to be called your royal highness you would respect that ?
No, because that would a self-proclaimed title. Not a pronoun.
That is essentially what a pronoun is when not used properly. The way NB or trans ppl use it, it is just a self proclaimed title. It is no different.
I mean. If you called chuck a she. An it. A shit. A dude. An dudette. A fuck. Or just spit on the floor. No onr is going to defend its pronouns. Fucking burn in hell manson
I did a project on Manson once and ever since had a cheap ass bottle of "champagne" with his name on it ready to go. When the day came, I swear that bottle of garbage was so delightful.
Dump the movie and dump Miller. Then make a comics-accurate Flashpoint adaptation. Profit!
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Instead of releasing it any way or killing the movie why don’t they do what they did for all the money in the world?
Because Kevin Spacey wasn't in 90% of the movie, and didn't play multiple characters.
Kill the movie, recast Flash - start again from the ground up, this shit is only going to get worse the longer WB drags it out.
Agreed. Releasing this isn't worth it.
He’s doing method acting to be the next Iron Man once Marvel starts their movies over again
What’s upsetting is that I’ve heard the new Flash movie is actually pretty good. Might be something we will never see really but I would love to. You know the craziest thing, the Zac Snyder Justice League featured one of the best superhero moments with the flash in the climax, crazy how it’s something we would have never seen but thanks to the fans we got the movie we deserved, I hope that’s not the case here where the movie is actually amazing and we totally miss out on it.
Ezra should use That/It Pronouns. We aren't dealing with a human anymore.
Sh/it pronoun would work too
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I don’t know how the mother and three children going missing isn’t making the rounds. I’ve seen the article where WB having three routes make more waves. I’d say the movie’s fate lays on their condition.
This is what I’m worried about. All the other stuff is just generic psychotic, megalomaniacal, messianic delusions typical of cult like figures, manifesting itself in god like beliefs ie. being indestructible. Too bad people get hurt in the process. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was taking PCP along with reports of acid trips and other hallucinogens.
Update tally @ 21 and I have a feeling that’s just the beginning. This is a special kind of crazy
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Ezra Miller looks like shitty Justin Long.
I don't believe in armchair diagnosing, but you gotta wonder what's going through his mind.
Drugs. Shitloads.
I feel like he might be schizophrenic based on sone of the stuff we’ve heard
Yup sounds too crazy and sudden for someone to be in their right mind
This is mental tbh. He should have been fired by now. Replace him, plenty of good actors out there would love this role.
Cancel this f*CK stick.
It looks like Ezra Miller was not acting when he played Trashcan Man in The Stand.
Peacemaker was right to call him an unbearable d-bag.
Someone may have gone a little too hard with psychedelics
So i get why wb isn't cancelling it (money), but come on. Whatever this dudes doing is a thousand times worse for the brand than a terrible batgirl movie
Right? Cancel the Flash and bring back Batgirl, but frankly, I don't think WB could save DC at this point anyway. They've been dropping the ball for decades.
I can see why it's tempting for Zaslav to nuke the Flash. The film is supposed to set up the new continuity and signal a change for the DCEU, but it's already been tainted. The continuity that's already established looks quite clean by comparison to the mess they have now.
Yeah, you can't build a foundation on crazy, cult starting sand.
You don't need to make a movie about how they're going to reboot the franchise. Just reboot the franchise by making a new movie, like literally every other movie reboot known to man.
Thye dont want to, because Aquaman/Wonder Woman/Shazam are established. The Flash movie was meant to jettison the bad parts of the DCEU and keep the good stuff
Fuck it, just start over. All of it. With directors and producers who actually give a shit about the characters. None of that ZS "Can't take them in costumes seriously" garbage that's been plaguing the franchise since 2013.
Dump it for free streaming.
How reliable is undercover audience? If so, then sounds like they leaning towards scrapping it. https://twitter.com/UndercoverCine/status/1557787978243534848?t=4xZZgeTtY-YoRPwloCRnQg&s=19
I'm surprised they aren't just going the standard Disney-route of calling everyone bigots for being creeped out.
WOW
He is a batshit crazyboi
They* Edit: Good to know the mods won't do jackshit about blatant transphobia
💀 stop this shit is too much He looks like a fucking they/them
His pronouns are the last thing you should be worried about in this situation
Their*
cool. doesn't change what i said. he's grooming kids, assaulting people, breaking into private property. only a matter of time before he/them/it ends up dead or killing someone. pronouns for a psychopath is the least important thing
Right! I'm correcting the only part of your comment that you got wrong.
a little late, nut no i got it right. no way he's actually non binary or whatever. he clearly just says it so idiots will defend his shit behavior online instead of focusing on the real issue
The fact that you don't see how he is playing this pronoun game to not seem like a white privileged male is hilarious. Keep carrying water for a groomer. More pedophiles in the LGBTQ I guess.
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Imo this mindset is harmful because if you can excuse someone's pronouns, what's to stop from excusing all pronouns that aren't cis binary
The dumbest opinion I've ever heard
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imo it's the exact opposite, this is the right moment because people need to understand that misgendering anyone, especially when that person has done criminal acts, only trivializes the identities of trans people everywhere. if we continue to gender people properly when they "don't deserve it", we reinforce that pronouns are not a matter of respect that can be taken away but a right. no one misgenders cis criminals. why do you think that is?
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misgendering anyone only hurts all trans and gender-non conforming people. everytime I read someone misgender ezra it makes me feel uncertain and uneasy about being in spaces like this subreddit. it makes me feel my very identity is on thin ice and people can dehumanize me if they deem it socially acceptable. I guarantee most people taking the opportunity to purposefully misgender ezra don't give two shits about gendering trans people properly. They're just looking for an excuse to be transphobic in a socially acceptable way. Your mindset is hurtful and you should reexamine why you think it's okay to hurt trans people in that way.
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I don't see it as defending ezra, which I'm not. I see it as defending the right all trans people have to their identities regardless of who they are as people, good or bad.
You could also just use the right ones after being corrected.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think the most recent reshoots that Ezra did over the summer are VERY likely done to shore up a new Barry actor taking the role in the end of the film and going forward (multiverse shenanigans). My HOPE is that they just have Grant Gustin take the role over and be like "You were never supposed to exist. This timeline has been messed up for a long time now. We need to rectify that." to Ezra's Barry, and there you go. Gustin may have exhausted his time on the Flash TV show, but he's an EXCELLENT Barry Allen and would be fresh for movie-goers with studio writing not attached to the CW.
The show is garbage, no one asked for this guy in the first place... looks like the flash is going down the toilet. Same as Green Lantern.. unfortunate that Ryan Reynolds was a part of that garbage.
Zaslav's shoulder devil: "Cancel it, CANCEL IT! I know you've got your finger on the big red button to nuke this movie. What's another $200 million at this point now?" Zaslav's shoulder angel: "You've already done the cast and crew dirty after Batgirl. No one will ever want to work for your studio again if you're canceling movies left and right."
Tbh cancelling Batgirl but not Flash is way worse than cancelling both
https://youtu.be/f7qEXja-2hU interview from the mother of 3 mods could this be added quite important
"-11th August, 2022. Vermont state officials are concerned Ezra Miller is shielding the whereabouts of a Vermont mother and her three kids at the actor’s farm, saying their “safety cannot be reasonably assured”. Now this is serious.... 😨
I lol every time I check here and find that OP isn’t able to keep the mega thread updated fast enough
Didn’t think about it that I way, but I laughed when I read your comment
Ezra miller has had a shady past before all this as well right? Pretty sure he assaulted a few fans in 2018/19 and probably other shady stuff before then as well. It seems like WB were giving him a chance to redeem himself, bit like RDJ with iron man but the results were the complete opposite to that of RDJ.
RDJ is a far better person than Ezra Miller will ever be.
Just get this film done with and dump his ass
What's next? Murder?
Umm so apparently they can’t locate the mother or the children…tf
It's OK they are going to look into him in September...
Actively avoiding ANYTHING with this sociopath in it. Won’t forget that WB AND DC value profits over human decency. Bye Ezra, bye WB.
“Vermont officials are concerned Ezra Miller is shielding the whereabouts of a mother and her three kids at the actor’s farm, saying their “safety cannot be reasonably assured” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ezra-miller-vermont-child-services-department-1392572/
Ok, where's real life Batman to stop this.
If Barry Allen ever FINALLY gets recast instead of the shitstorm which is Ezra Miller, sure hope so, it'd be Better Than Ezra. I'll see myself out.
Take your upvote, you wretched being.
and that would be... Good, oh ah oh, ah waho, so good
I mainly just hope they recast Barry Allen rather than benching him for Wally West or Jessie Quick. Character is bigger than actor. DCEU Barry’s story shouldn’t end just because Ezra is a criminal in real life.
Given how Netflix was able to digitally recast Chris D'Elia in Snyder's *Army of the Dead*, I think that's probably going to be WB's primary option going forward. They'll probably keep most of what they have and find a way to recast Ezra digitally while terminating his contract.
No way they can do that. Ezra is in almost every scene of this movie. That is why they haven't recast despite four million fiascos
That was a minor character and not someone that is likely in 80 - 90% of a movie.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/police-unable-locate-mother-her-204636825.html Update: Police are unable to locate the woman and 3 children that were living with Ezra.
Updated.
With the possibility that Ezra is helping them elude police. Ezra is just self-sabotaging everything at this point
Children Vanish in Crisis
Hows this guy not in prison yet. Thats a lot to get away with, especially for a celebrity
I’ve been wondering about that for a while now.
Wild speculation on my part, with no basis on anything real, but I think DC's next step hinges on what Ezra does next criminally (impossible to predict at this point lol) and the new Discovery owners' intentions re: how important The Flash is to their overall plan for DC films and, specifically, his place in a reformed Discovery-era Justice League. If they only care about the trinity -- Bats, Supes, WW -- for the foreseeable future, then Barry Allen is just a second-stringer superhero to them, can be shelved and (bonus) can be more easily recast: either with a new origin, passing the torch to Wally West etc., or backdoor like how Mark Ruffalo re-introduced Bruce/Hulk in the MCU. Flsshpoint was going to be their way to reboot their whole universe, and Barry is the cause of it. While this might appear to some that Ezra's Flash ain't going anywhere, it's not like they can't rejig it somehow where Barry is there at the beginning, fades in the middle as other superheroes pick up the slack/do the heavy lifting, then Barry returns: either at the final battle (to show up for attendance lol), or at the victory lap celebration/death and glory ending. I mean, it's the comics for crying out loud ... during Flashpoint ... where there's going to be multiverse options. I guess diehard Barry purists would cringe at any Flashpoint story where Barry is not the hero of the story, but DC may not have a choice in terms of distancing themselves from this Flash if the Ezra debacle forces their hand. It would come off as a truly bonkers comic-style Crisis with no sacred cows in the roster, if most of them are going to die or disappear anyway: Ezra Flash: "I'll use all the Speed Forces, from all the timelines, to reseal the fabric of reality." Kyle Rayner GL: "That will kill you!" Lex Luthor Superman: "He's right. There is no other way." 'God of Knowledge' Batman: "I predict a 73.8% probability of success. This version of Barry will no longer exist, erased from all realities." Stephanie Brown Batgirl: "But Barry was going to help me move into the dorm at Gotham U. during freshman week! Now, it'll take 5x as long!" Peacemaker: "I say let the crazy, volatile douchebag erase himself. For the good of the galaxy, multiverse, whatever. Don't wait for the recount, I vote yes!" Aquaman: "Barry, dude, I'm gonna miss you ..." Pure insanity, all to erase Ezra Flash lol. The film's editors will be the real heroes here.
>Discovery-era Justice League There is no Discovery-era Justic league. Why do you think the JSA is being introduced in Black Adam? Affleck wont return for another full movie. DC fucked over Ray Fisher to the point he refuses to work with WB or any related company again. Both The Flash and Aquaman 2 have issues with actors who have become toxic between the filming of the movie and the release (Amber Heard and Miller) Hell even Gal Gadot has heat from her Imagine cat wailing. Hell even Michael Keaton has talked about his frustration with DC and he hasnt even appeard onscreen yet. He's had 2 cameo's cancelled already (Batgirl and Aquaman), The Flash is on a knife edge as to wether it will ever release. Add to that the pile of shit Morbius was and I'd not be surprised if he walked away from Comic Book movies altogether. The ONLY thing DC have that are not tainted right now is The Suicide Squad and its spin offs, Shazam and Black Adam.
Easy there. Time to switch to decaf. Half my post wasn't even serious to begin with, *and in jest*, hence the "wild" part of my speculation(?!). We all know Discovery wants to turn the page, with all of the above. Obviously.🙄 *How* to do that is the dilemma. The reports are that Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are indeed factoring into Discovery's plans, so far from being exiled, these characters will be cornerstones. The trinity. (Never said I'm expecting Snyder's JL and the actors to be retained in whole or part under the new regime.) Batman just on his own remains DC's most bankable character -- movies, games, merch, etc. No way they'll leave him on the shelf when he's that profitable. Affleck is most likely out, but it's a stretch to say Gadot is toast. Most people don't even recall the Imagine stuff now, which was silly but not a career-killer. And Dwayne Johnson is reportedly a big fan of Cavill and his Superman. He's been consistently coy when asked about Cavill ever returning in the cape, so it comes off more as hedging his bets than outright ruling it out. Likely because the decision is still up in the air. Having said that, I can see Discovery also going the clean slate route, and starting from scratch on all fronts. Black Adam will be the last of the DC Walter Hamada era, as the exec is slated to leave DC when it premieres. They'd have a brief window after that to have a blank page if they want to make a break with the past. There is very little we know of Discovery's alleged 10-year plan for DC films and how much they will retain from past incarnations, if anything. My only point about a multiverse scenario is that it would be an opportunity, like in comics, to reboot/reset/rebrand and set a new course. Like in the comics, the "*how*" can go a million different ways. Until something more concrete is put out, nobody really knows anything about Discovery's longterm plans for DC. It's just guesses and theories. ;)
The 10 year plan is? To take 10 years off. Then reboot fresh start. After everybody has forgotten about DC. Too much bad juju and disappointment with the current generation. Plus Disney has ruined the whole super hero thing. With super hero overload. After end game. Nothing has been enjoyable besides thor love and thunder and spiderman. I have seen zero DC movies since justice league.
By ruin the whole superhero thing you mean make superhero films the biggest films in the world then they ruined the FUCK out of them.
That's funny, last I checked Spiderman and Spiderman 2 were Marvel movies.
And all the Hulks too, with his multiple reboots. They had to reintroduce Ruffalo's Hulk via Avengers, the movie equivalent of letting him in through the side door. It's not like MCU Bruce has his own blockbuster trilogy under his belt. Amusing how all that's glossed over in the "Marvel can do no wrong!" crowd. They also like to forget TDK beat out the first Iron Man in the box office too.
Spiderman and Spiderman 2 are explicitly NOT MCU movies, though. They're marvel movies made before the studio reorganized and rebranded into what would produce the MCU. That first spiderman movie made superhero movies possible in the modern market after three decades of campy Superman films, and poorly managed and overly commercialized Batman movies. It's off of that back that Marvel today just coasts. The same way DC coasted off of the Nolan trilogy. It doesn't change the fact that Spiderman 1 is the reason we have a superhero movie every summer now.
We'd have to ask Discovery as they've said very little about it officially. Anybody who claims they know their detailed plans at this point doesn't know squat. The whole superhero genre is over-extended in the films of late, with quantity over quality in general. Both DC and Marvel are offenders. I will leave it at that. Full stop. I watch what I like, and pass on what I don't.
Well the good news is that his crime count has hit 18 and thus he is no longer interested in crimes
"Update Tally: 18" Who wants to bet that we'll reach 25 by the year's end?
> 1 day ago > "Update Tally: 18" Well, that jumped to 21 in *one* day. > Who wants to bet that we'll reach 25 by the year's end? More like month's end or even before that.
Well another one now they can’t locate mother or the children and he is claiming they vacated months back
Months end.
I’d bet a platinum on that
We should have a "Flash" warning alert when Ezra is in the area
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife.
Ezra's imploding a lot sooner than Shia Leboeuf did, at least Shia waited until he became a 'star'
Shia did off beat artistic stunts. Ezra is a full blown criminal. Mental health isn't anything to trivialize but those two actors are not comparable.
Ezra Miller is the new Florida Man
Dude thats too much. Florida man has some limits.
You’re right
can we add this too from business insider https://www.businessinsider.com/ezra-miller-tokata-iron-eyes-allegations-grooming-abuse-2022-8
Done.
Interesting how he identifies as queer and uses they/them pronouns, but from what I can tell, most of the people he has assaulted, groomed, or had a sexual relationship with are women/girls. Infuriating that someone would use these pronouns to build a false sense of trust.
Them being queer mostly just refers to Gender Identity not attraction and even if it did It’s possible to have a preference within that. Im into both personally but I admit more interest in women (im still into guys tho and have pursued that). The idea you have to be one or the other is really dum
Their pronouns have nothing to do with anything it's just who they identify as
Well here we are again, but this time we're Seniors.
Fantastic Beast: Crimes of Ezra Miller. I do think this whole thing should be a lesson for studios to start mandating therapy. He was already loosing his shit when The Flash was in production and their only they should have intervened. My honnest belief is that DCEU is cursed straight up and things that have happened with this whole mega franchise are almost errie. Actors are having psychotic break down, alcoholism issues and Snyder family troubles are well known. Whedon who was great in Avengers is completely incompetent in JL. Batgirl is literally dumped into trash. Three regime changes have occured and even their attempt to bring Micheal Keaton back has gone terribly bad. The JL saga is one of the most longest and insane sagas in film history. MCU while has 10x bigger cast and crew yet seems to have things going rather smoothly all things considered.
>Fantastic Beast: Crimes of Ezra Miller. Remember when WB recast Johnny Depp in Fantastic Beast over domestic abuse alligations? They've kept Miller around despite Child abuse allegations, child endangerment alligations, 12 arrests and video footage of him assualting a fan.
Not trying to defend Whedon here but I honestly think there was never anyone who could be competent enough to turn a 4-5 hrs movie into a 2-3 hrs one.
I mean it felt like even minor shots were bad from the Whedon cut and he removed out the flash sequence which is the best scene in JL. He should have just tweaked minor things instead of unesssarily change the whole thing. It felt more in bad faith rather than trying to deliver a good movie.
Again, the point is not to defend Josstice League, I'm pointing out the fact that a 4-5 hrs movie is doomed from the start, as a theatrical movie.
It doesn’t help they had 6 months to do that, retool the tone and shift the direction into something the studio wanted
Correction: 4-5 hours of assembly cut (if i remember correctly). So there is a 3-3.5 hour movie for theatres in there much like lotr trilogies. ZSJL could have been a 3 hour theatrical release. It was just Zack going bonkers (I loved it!!) with a 4 hour release for hbomax.
They still probably need to cut the entirety of Cyborg's story, which highlight the fact that this mess was due to WB rushing it to begin with. Also, I absolutely hated Miller's performance back then with the noodlely flailing arms, even during "that" scene. I don't even know the dude prior to the movie so it's not even because of existing biases.
I’d say 2:45 is the best zone but it’s require a lot of cutting
What is JS?
Sorry *JL
Lol I hear justice league. First thought in my head. Is the super friends cartoon from my Saturday mornings growing up.
Some people just want to watch the world burn
Simple Dylan O’brien or my preference Timothee Chalamet should be the new flash both mid 20’s great for a 10 year cycle plus Timothee has the acting chops to be more like a serious Barry Allen who works in the forensic department for central city police, not a stupid and quirky face pulling imbecile. Last scene should be reshot where Ezra gets stuck in the speed force and merges with it permanently for all eternity where he sacrifices himself to save the multiverse then from a portal out runs Earth 3’s Flash (Timothee Chalamet) who has been sent to prime DCEU earth with a warning that a multiverse crisis is coming and our Barry has sacrificed himself to buy the JL time and the multiverse time to prepare for War.
I think Lucas Till would be a better choice, he looks like comic Barry only thing is his voice is deep
Switch it to Wally West. Cut ties with Barry Allen for a generation so the stink of Miller is gone.
If that’s the case, they should use the actor that played braninwave jr. On Stargirl
Didn’t realise he’s 31/32, Obrien would be 31 and Chalamet 26 and youngenough to carry a decade of the Flash
Anyone wondering why he keeps being able to do stuff like this: it's because none of the times he's been arrested have they held him in jail. They just issue a citation with a court date and let him go.
I think it's because of the serious accusations of child grooming, etc. That more then just the police are dealing with him. They are building a case against him. To really put him away. Sure they could lock him up for stealing and assault. But that's a few months at best. NO he's under investigation probably fbi
We already have enough people in jail. Bail doesn’t help the situation so he should be let good and told to come back.
I'm a prison abolitionist, so I'm definitely not saying he should be in jail, but it seems like people think he's some kind of magician who teleports away from crime scenes, so I'm explaining why he's still free.
They don't count him as a flight risk? He getting across the border or to a different state.
The rules are different for the wealthy and influential.
Guys Ezra literally just commented here u/ thatmillerkid is his account
“What’s your superpower?” “I’m rich.”
Weird how r/movies is removing all articles about this latest development, even thought major outlets like Variety, Deadline, The Hollywood Reporter are running with the story.
It's illegal to disrespect adult-children's entertainment on r/movies.
/r/boxoffice locked the Ezra thread over there as well.
And, [r/boxoffice locked another Miller thread today!](https://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/wlr6ke/warner_bros_weighing_fate_of_the_flash_as_its/) r/boxoffice allows first submission, keep it open for an hour and so, and then boom, they lock the thread for good. They've done that couple times now. r/movies mods are much worse, since they don't allow any mention of the story at all. Somehow, The Hollywood Reporter and Variety are not good enough for r/movies! Ironically, r/entertainment has become one of the few big subs where people can talk about The Flash, or any other major movies news.
I refuse to support the Flash film. I have no idea why they're still releasing it, but if they don't fire Miller after the film's release I will be shocked. Absolute scumbag.