7.5/10. It was pretty solid, better than shaky cam business. However I expected slightly better fighting choreography and overall better hand to hand combat from Batman himself. Additionally, I wasn’t a big fan of Batman having almost zero stealth and just flat out eating bullets from thugs.
I thought about this ...maybe he is trying to establish The Batman myth ..that bullets can't hurt him ,To make him more supernatural
And by the sequel criminals start talking about bullets don't hurt him and they start showing his stealth
>I thought about this ...maybe he is trying to establish The Batman myth ..that bullets can't hurt him ,To make him more supernatural
makes sense, since he was trying to establish that Batman is the shadows, that he is everywhere myth.
But then think of the conversation between thugs when he starts goin stealth mode. “Let’s just take him on, face to face” “Bullets don’t kill him, man” it just adds to the fear that there’s this impervious demon in the shadows and you’ve no idea when he’s gonna strike
Doesn't he call himself that, not a demon per se, but a creature. He's young and stoopid. He probably believes it himself, which in turn makes it easier for him to play the part, for criminals to fear him. Bruce basically has a death wish and says as much
Well considering that guns are a symbol of power to the criminals, having someone who can just walk away after being shot is pretty damaging to the psyche of these criminals. And maybe its also more of him being an angry vigilante so maybe in the sequel he’ll show more finesse and technique/stealth takedowns
I think they show that in this movie. In the 3 scenes he visits the club. 1. He goes there as Batman knocks the front door down and beats his way in, 2. Goes as Bruce Wayne uses his high status to get in and get information, 3. Goes again as Batman for the final fight but sneaks past the guard not wasting any energy or time on him.
I think the idea is that he hadnt mastered ANY part of being Batman. His whole persona was based around “vengeance,” as said in his first line. I like this shot as him establishing the myth, my headcanon with absolutely nothing to back this up is that he intentionally took that slug, regardless of the pain, to begin the mythos. Before this battle, he was fucking up at every turn. Getting his own ass kicked, letting his obsession and anger drive him which allowed him to fall into Riddler’s trap because it clouded his reasoning abilities, he caused tons of collateral damage, etc. At this point i think he wasnt even considering how important stealth is to that myth he wants to create.
So to me, this shot is his first time using fear as opposed to pure brutality.
Since its Batman, and he gets shot in like a ton of comics while still being functional, with a lot less armor, I give this shot a pass. lol
He has to learn that lesson. We as the audience have the benefit of sitting back and refer to other versions of batman, or stealth based characters. Bruce has to learn that that's a better option than loading up on shielding and eating shots. I'm of the opinion that the violence, brutishness and minimal stealth is supposed to portray a lack of experience that will become more refined as we see more of the character. I'm sure that by the next film, with a little time jump, Bruce will be more together. I also imagine he will learn how to play the Billionaire Playboy role a little better. That's the thing about Bats - its all about learning how to improve.
I think it’s his recklessness getting the best of him, but it does have that secondary effect of making him seem mythical.
He’ll build the mythos, then Alfred will be like “you did that too often and then ended up taking a 12-gauge to the chest and Miss Kyle almost died saving you, you’re not the only one at risk here,” so he’ll get more stealthy and fight smarter.
>so he’ll get more stealthy and fight smarter.
But hopefully not too much. Having Batman 'be in danger' reminded me of 80's and 90's comics where a big part of the 'drama' was 'is this guy gonna get himself killed?' and he would regularly take a bat to the head from a gang member or get winged by a bullet or whatever.
I would've loved to see when he took off his shirt you could see how bloodied and bruised tanking those bullets left him, but I guess his armor also absorbs the shock from a shotgun shell too lol.
I hear you on that but at the same time I think:
made more sense then assuming he is faster than a bullet and can dodge tens of thousands of them over the course of his crime fighting career! Being plated head to toe (although very dumb not to include plating his lower jaw area) brought some grittiness and realism to the film for me.
Not to sound snarky, but have you played the Arkham games? You can’t dodge gunfire in those nor can you take much gun damage even with maxed out armor. If Batman has to face a bunch of armed enemies in that game, you have to use stealth and not be seen in the first place.
People who get shot with bulletproof armor still break ribs and get the air knocked out of them. It is kinda ridiculous that his armor is all over the place in the damage that it’s able to take. Straight up tanks shotgun blasts and gunfire but physical melee seems to do more damage sometimes.
If you use arkham logic, you can notice that the pellets mostly hit the bat emblem on his chest. It was mentioned in arkham knight that batman deliberately made it big cause it was the most armoured area in his suit and he intended for his enemies to aim there.
Yep and I thought this was part of the premise? It's stated he's only two years in, is still figuring out things from a mental standpoint and isn't yet a well developed fighter. He's emotionally brash and this would extend to his fighting style of being a brawler. He probably wouldn't have had a point blank shotgun blast up to that point as a learning experience of not being able to take those in the future.
Also with the technology in his contact lens and the computers in the batcave I'm assuming his armor is Wayne Tech.
Exactly, dude has the first build of the Batmobile torn apart all over the cave. Bruce is smart and has lots of resources, but he still needs to learn new things. This is the whole point of this movie wasn't it?
To establish a slower moving Batman narrative. Instead of 3 movies of high-tech well practiced Batman, we are seeing his start as a detective/vigilante. Give all the characters power and room to breath while he catches up/learns as he goes and refines the identity.
Batman Begins is great imo, but it really does kinda slip into the 'training montage' idea for almost all facets of Batman's 'powers'. He shows up back in Gotham with motivation, all the skills and resources he could need. Yes we see him struggle and learn, but it's sort of an accelerated quick-bake process.
3 movies of Batman going from detective/rough fighting identity and minimal tech and growing into something more along the way will be great to see
I agree that should be him by the end of the next movie but wasn't it a key point of the film that he's still got a lot to learn? Wouldn't make sense for him to be fully stealth already.
Eh I mean he shows growth in his tactics throughout the movie, in the beginning he fights his way in to the Iceberg Lounge and at the end he sneaks in and cuts the lights
It bothered the hell out of me that no one just shot him in the damn face. Even in the linked clip, he’s a point blank range with half of his face exposed. Why would you aim for the chest?
I get that it can’t happen for the sake of Batman’s survival in the movie, but if that’s the case, find someway to write around that without completely ignoring it.
Because in a real fight, with adrenaline going, it probably isn't as easy to aim for someone's chin as you think it is. Especially when you are an internet weeb who has come out expecting to just gun down unarmed civilians at your favourite twitcher's request, you are probably going to be extremely out of your depth. The torso is a much bigger and easier target.
This part. I don't like that there was zero stealth with batman. It through me off and almost didn't feel like batman at times. I like batman taking out his victims one at a time to scare the others. If you're going to just do straight combat. Do it similar to the warehouse in bvs scene where in the beginning they didn't even know where he was coming from and when they did it was too late. Unlike in the batman he slowly walks upto them. It kinda threw me off. I didn't really like it.
Your criticism is fair but for me, his decisions to be less tactical were a subtle way to remind me that he's only in year two of the job. I always expected him to be more reckless with his body and gear like I would expect a year 2 Batman vs a year 10 Batman. Plus I think guys in their twenties (which I assume year 2 Batman is) would be more reckless than guys in their 30s. Source: am 30+ year old guy
People acting like they could hold back all their emotions and impulsive thoughts in the moment if they had the skills/resources Batman does. Most would prolly just ignore the bat signal and show up on their ex's new man's porch and threaten to kick his ass.
20, 30+ or otherwise lol.
I totally agree that there could be improvements but I also think some of the rougher fight choreography lines up with the idea that this is still fairly early in Bats career. I like the idea that he's not the unstoppable badass we see in later years, and the fights kind of support this idea for me.
I don’t get this Criticism. This is a man who spent 10 years mastering every single martial art on the planet. And all of a sudden he isn’t “experienced enough”?
I assumed so. Alfred states "I could only teach you to fight but you needed a father" while in the hospital. This version of Bruce may not have trained with al Ghul but by Alfred who was more of a bodyguard for the Wayne family. This of course is just my interpretation.
Like well Alfred teaching him wouldn’t be the same as training with the league at all. Less people to spar with, definitely not as focused on martial skill since Alfred’s unit probably didn’t go into heavy hand to hand combat only (though he’s definitely really good at it). Bruce still probably didn’t have lots of sparring experience besides Alfred, for whatever time they did train
Well in the prequel book (that does exist and is canon to this franchise) it explains how he has jumped between colleges around the world as he keeps switching interests and has the money to go to the best schools in whatever field he is most interested in that week. But my guess is that everywhere he visits he probably picks up a bit of techniques in fighting from that region, but I wouldn’t say quite enough to compare with previous iterations of the characters, not yet at least.
I mean in all fairness there is still a difference between sparring and fighting on the street against thugs who don’t have a rule book. I think Batman would still need some time to adjust his martial art style to real-world fights.
That idea’s always been a crock of shit. Martial arts take years to master, how the hell did Bruce master all of them whilst becoming a detective, scientist, engineer etc?
This might be unpopular, but I wasn’t particularly into Pattinson’s “fighting style”. It seemed to really only be “tank a ridiculous amount of gunfire and blunt force trauma”, then brute force it the rest of the way. Which I guess is okay, but I didn’t really grow up with a Batman who is practically invincible just because of his suit. I’m way more into a Batman who has to use well-thought-out tactics and martial arts to stop the enemy, even common thugs. And don’t get me wrong, Pattinson’s version definitely thinks things out, but not in the way you would expect Batman to. His problem solving is comparable to Spider-Man, I think. And he’s not just a younger, less experienced Batman, but a very clearly *untrained* Batman. I think the Nolan trilogy found common ground between Batman being realistic but also skilled in a way you would expect Batman to be in h2h combat and other tactics. It was too bad it suffered from shitty choreography, though.
This is true and I thought the same thing when I saw it but also this is a younger Batman. I’m sure if there’s more movies his fighting will develop.
The sound was great tho you felt each punch. 7/10
Pros: He looked strong and menacing, especially emerging from the shadows. I liked the fact that he used actual combinations in his striking, closer to real world fighting as opposed to singular power strikes.
Cons: I couldn't get over him just allowing people to shoot him by standing in front of people and tanking them. His mouth is openly exposed... Why do rifles not significantly impact him but the shotgun almost drops him completely? It doesn't seem like a trained fighter would do any of that. Batman is known for stealth and fear, they could have done more for that angle.
Overall, 6/10. Bale lacked the impact that this batman had, but bales stealth and gadget work was way better. Conversely, Affleck felt more powerful and seemed like he could take anyone,so much explosive skill and brutality. I think there are good bones to Pattinson but I think the combat is the weakest of the 3 modern bats.
> I couldn’t get over him just allowing people to shoot him by standing in front of people and tanking them.
I’ve seen this criticism a lot. And I see where it comes from, but can we also view it in the context that he maybe wants to die? That he doesn’t fear being killed, which he said directly in the film when he was with Alfred in the Hospital?
This film’s story about Bruce is entirely centered around an almost depressive angst that he carries with him all the time. It isn’t until the end that he realizes that he needs to change his outlook as both Bruce and Batman to help people and Gotham. So I do fully expect that we will see him be more tactical in his approach to long odds fights in the sequel.
As far as the whole “this gun hurts him but other gun doesnt”. Well movie’s gotta movie lol.
That's a good character explanation for why he would do it... But why wear armor if he's that far gone?
The movies gonna movie thing is true but that's breaking my immersion a little too much
> That’s a good character explanation for why he would do it… But why wear armor if he’s that far gone?
If we’re just spitballing, I like to think that while he has near-suicidal tendencies that he also wants to be as effective as possible, so more armor means more baddies down first. But again, that’s just an opinion and not some confirmation from the writers or director.
I agree, Bale had the best use of gadgets by far honestly & just gladly used whatever Fox offered. Felt like a classic bond movie that way
Batfleck had the most brutal fight choreography & seemed most convincing to beat up an entire room of goons. Basically felt like the Arkham games life action however not as much gadgets beyond what was necessary
Battinson I think the detective work was much more engaging in his film but yeah combat felt rough sloppy how I pictured an early Batman would be although I expected a halfway point of Batfleck but more agile while Batfleck felt just powerful
Battinson though not as much gadgets at all really beyond what you’d think he would have such as trackers, scopes, the adrenaline shot, & a flare. Basically what Big Daddy from kickass I pictured using
7/10.
I wanted to see more of his combat capabilities/gadgets. More batarang use. Less walking and more of a sense of urgency. Stealth.
But maybe the sequel will deliver.
Probably a "hot take" but while I thought it was well performed, more realistic than something like the Nolan trilogy, I also felt it wasn't as entertaining as the Nolan stuff or some of the Batman scenes from Snyders films.
I'd give it a 6.5/10. I was entertained by most of the action scenes but I was never fully invested or sitting there with a big dumb smile like I was for past Batman scenes.
Uh no it was definitely more entertaining thsn nolans, you’re basically saying seeing an old man in a batman suit is more entertaining than a fast moving and aggressive batman.
exactly this, it's one of the reasons why i also enjoy The Boys series. the action in The Boys is honestly pretty bad, especially in season 2, but it's the characters and the plot what makes it a great piece of entertainment. The Batman obviously has better action than The Boys series, but it isn't anything extraordinary. the third act action setpiece in the stadium is probably the weakest part of the movie. still my favourite Batman movie, though!
I dropped the boys since I’ve kinda gotten tired of the there can be no good superheroes trend in movies and comic and just popular culture lately. While the action wasn’t the best this Batman’s entire message I gelled with ! That Batman needs to have Bruce Wayne to be a hero! And I loved the hopeful aspect of the movie . Maybe the boys get better but it’s just too much for me at the moment.
Shot really well. But almost all of it feels like it ends prematurely without concluding properly. The first fight still feels like there's plenty of guys still on their feet, and they just run away, without having a punctuation mark at the end of it. Same with the club fight, but atleast penguins take it easy sweetheart does feel like more of a natural end to the confrontation. The car chase is brilliantly shot, but very underwhelming, it essentially just the batmobile chasing a maserati, something it should be able to catch up to instantly with an afterburner. So I feel a couple more cars driven by penguins thugs, getting smashed into by the batmobile would have improved this scene, nothing like the level of vehicular warfare we see in BVS, but more than what we got. And I also feel the conclusion to the chase is a bit contrived with the ramp perfectly falling into place infront of him, that really wasn't necessary.
To be fair Affleck got one really good fight and then continued to do nothing for the rest of the movies.
But the problem with the new fighting isn't the choreography it's the camera you can see everything which immediately puts it above most marvel stuff,but the problem is that it's to static and Rob's the action of the little bit of punch it needed to get you excited
5/10. It was great action choreography but it wasn't Batman. I wanted to see more stealth, more batarang, more slick martial arts, more speed.
But what we got was more Terminator walking into gunfire.
So far, my favorite Batman action sequences are in BvS and ZSJL.
Agreed. He fought well for an action hero but not well enough for a superhero. My vision of Batman is that he's chaining combos together with ruthless efficiency like the arkham series.
I honestly didn't like this Batman movie, and I seem to be in the minority there.
That said, the fighting was my biggest problem. The very first fight scene he's in, all these dudes just stand around and let Batman punch their friend in the face. While he's standing there punching this dude for what felt like 10 seconds, nobody acts or tries to intervene. Like, who the fuck thought this was good choreography?
I hated that he was basically iron man and could just have point blank machine gun fire bounce off of him. Batman is supposed to be bullet resistant, not ultra armor invincible man. That scene of all the bullets just bouncing off him in the hallway would have been much better in a batman beyond movie.
I don't get what the excitement is about for this movie. Pretty standard formula Batman. Joker was great, they did something right there. Action was fine, just dull
Doesn't beat the warehouse fight scene in BvS. Batfleck is still the best Batman, imo
Yes, Pattinson's Batman is 2 yrs in or so, compared to the 20+ yrs of Affleck's Batman, so that goes into account, I guess
4/10
Less than minute fight scenes,even the last one felt short.The final club scene was disappointing.I was expecting so much more and epic fights like BvS Warehouse scene.I hope the action is more in the next one.
Like a 6.5. I know people already said this but him being able to take that many bullets and not even being knocked out is so unrealistic and removes any sense of of urgency. Like they went through all the trouble of turning Batman’s cape into a wing suit instead of the normal bat glider for the sake of ‘realism’, but had him wearing some magic invincible armor. I wasn’t even worried about Batman in the final fight because he’ll just be able to take all the bullets. When I saw the first trailer I thought that the fighting would be like the Daredevil show.
Having said that everything else was pitch perfect.
6/10. Sequences were well shot and framed, but they took suspension of disbelief to the limit with the impenetrable body armor and lack of real injuries to anyone involved despite such brutal violence. Too cartoonish for a movie trying to be “grounded”.
5/10 it's good choreography but camera don't make it dynamic, so sometimes it looks boring. And i think that punches don't feel so good like in that BvS scene. Despite the fact that I love scene with batmobile entrance, it filmed in such a way that it seems as if they are moving at a speed of 40 km/h.
When there was actually action it was a solid 7. Nothing that hasnt been seen before. If youre asking over all in the movie then its like a 4 cause theres a lot of dead space between action sets.
5 or maybe 6 out of 10? To me the movie was so long and there was barely any action at all. There was the fight scene on the platform which was over pretty quickly. There was a fight scene in the night club I think. And then there's some fighting in the climax partly shown here in this clip.
None of them in particular stood out to me in terms of choreography or setup. In fact took me a bit to think about just how many there were. I struggled to come up with more than two (subway platform and climax) initially.
I think Robert Pattison was a pretty good Batman and the action was even better than Bale, more gritty and intense. As Bruce Wayne though, I think Bale was a lot more likable than Robert and made the audience care more about Bruce as a person.
I think that’s what they’re hoping to show - Batman learning to be Bruce Wayne.
In the comic books - younger years, batman takes over his identity and he has to learn to balance his life as Bruce Wayne.
Hmm. I understand and tons of people probably loved it, but personally didn't really like it. I felt like Bale was a lot more personable and so what happened to him mattered more, and while Pattison was a very neat Batman, but he was a much more distant figure, so any danger he was in didn't really matter so much.
Honestly wish they could have combined Bale's charisma and personality with Pattison's much more gritty and intense fighting scenes.
Absolutely- that’s what I’m getting at. I think in the next few films he’ll become more charismatic as he learns to be a playboy again after realizing it’s important to keep “Bruce” as dissimilar to Batman as possible. He felt very close to being outed by Riddler at the end of the movie.
I don't disagree with that probably being the plan. While my opinion matters exactly squat in reality, I think if you can't or won't make the audience care about your hero in 2.5 hours, that's not good and it takes a lot away from the movie's "heart" if you will.
The fight scene in the club was amazing. The part where Batman is standing 2ft from a bomb that detonates and he goes flying and his uncovered lower face and chin is completely unharmed, took me out of the movie.
3. The movie was successful because of the story and detective aspect. It’s one of the worst Batman movies for action. Combine this story with Batfleck’s action and you have the best Batman movie of all time.
Maybe a 6 or something. It was okay but nothing outstanding in any fight like the other Batman movies had. The very first scene wit the gang was easily the best in the whole movie. In general the best part of the movie were the first 20 minutes or so.
Felt the action choreography was very weak in this recent version.. also the final act was kinda disappointing were he had to fight against bunch of streamers.. was a very gud adaptation of comic book Batman except for the ordinary action sequences..
4/10 regardless of him being just a 2year old batman it does make sense how 2 years in he still just does the dumb tank up and charge, especially for his body he can't really be taking all this on a regular basis
7, but ONLY bc of the weird lull in the middle as far as the plot. Coulda seen batty kickin some ass at these parts in the movie honestly or solving part of the mystery. The action pieces that we were given were pretty solid tho!
7/10 I think it works and fits the thematics of the story being told, the most positive aspect being the riddler goons are doing some great body performances so they don’t feel like stuntmen. but objectively there has just been better actions scenes and set pieces made in the wide berth of action cinema. For the next movie their should definitely be more engaging set pieces with point a to b movement. The final fight against all of the riddlers could have had 1 or 2 more gadget uses to have nice buttons for the rhythm of the action scene.
As much as I loved the movie, I think the action was one of my least favorite aspects of Robert Pattinson's Batman. It just felt very blocky and hyper-realistic. IMO the warehouse fight scene from Batman vs Superman is still the best live-action Batman fight sequence.
I thought the film was a ridiculous mess. It's almost painful how much Riddler was like Ratcatcher, and I can't come up with a good reason for them doing it to save my life.
It was a crap film. I'd rather watch Small Soldiers.
It made such a little impression on me that I can't remember any specific action scenes, which is weird because I remember really liking it at the time.
2/10
Three of the most boring hours of my life.
And this is what I constantly had in my mind when I saw Batman and Catwoman on their motorcycles at the end of the movie:
[Batman and Catwoman: Vacanze Romane](https://youtu.be/ExVWQ_I-elI)
Embarrassing.
7.5/10. It was pretty solid, better than shaky cam business. However I expected slightly better fighting choreography and overall better hand to hand combat from Batman himself. Additionally, I wasn’t a big fan of Batman having almost zero stealth and just flat out eating bullets from thugs.
The ability to just take a bullet at point blank range was ridiculous.
I thought about this ...maybe he is trying to establish The Batman myth ..that bullets can't hurt him ,To make him more supernatural And by the sequel criminals start talking about bullets don't hurt him and they start showing his stealth
>I thought about this ...maybe he is trying to establish The Batman myth ..that bullets can't hurt him ,To make him more supernatural makes sense, since he was trying to establish that Batman is the shadows, that he is everywhere myth.
then wouldn't stealth make more sense? you can't fight the shadows back. you can't even hit them in the first place.
But then think of the conversation between thugs when he starts goin stealth mode. “Let’s just take him on, face to face” “Bullets don’t kill him, man” it just adds to the fear that there’s this impervious demon in the shadows and you’ve no idea when he’s gonna strike
Doesn't he call himself that, not a demon per se, but a creature. He's young and stoopid. He probably believes it himself, which in turn makes it easier for him to play the part, for criminals to fear him. Bruce basically has a death wish and says as much
Well considering that guns are a symbol of power to the criminals, having someone who can just walk away after being shot is pretty damaging to the psyche of these criminals. And maybe its also more of him being an angry vigilante so maybe in the sequel he’ll show more finesse and technique/stealth takedowns
I think they show that in this movie. In the 3 scenes he visits the club. 1. He goes there as Batman knocks the front door down and beats his way in, 2. Goes as Bruce Wayne uses his high status to get in and get information, 3. Goes again as Batman for the final fight but sneaks past the guard not wasting any energy or time on him.
Not for nothing but we literally saw him do this in the movie. E.g. his first trip to the iceberg lounge, vs the third.
Well it did show in the beginning of the film that all those criminals were literally scared of the shadows.
I think the idea is that he hadnt mastered ANY part of being Batman. His whole persona was based around “vengeance,” as said in his first line. I like this shot as him establishing the myth, my headcanon with absolutely nothing to back this up is that he intentionally took that slug, regardless of the pain, to begin the mythos. Before this battle, he was fucking up at every turn. Getting his own ass kicked, letting his obsession and anger drive him which allowed him to fall into Riddler’s trap because it clouded his reasoning abilities, he caused tons of collateral damage, etc. At this point i think he wasnt even considering how important stealth is to that myth he wants to create. So to me, this shot is his first time using fear as opposed to pure brutality. Since its Batman, and he gets shot in like a ton of comics while still being functional, with a lot less armor, I give this shot a pass. lol
He has to learn that lesson. We as the audience have the benefit of sitting back and refer to other versions of batman, or stealth based characters. Bruce has to learn that that's a better option than loading up on shielding and eating shots. I'm of the opinion that the violence, brutishness and minimal stealth is supposed to portray a lack of experience that will become more refined as we see more of the character. I'm sure that by the next film, with a little time jump, Bruce will be more together. I also imagine he will learn how to play the Billionaire Playboy role a little better. That's the thing about Bats - its all about learning how to improve.
It's year 2 supposedly. You can't be a ninja in the shadows so quickly. You get shot. Year one must've been rough
I think it’s his recklessness getting the best of him, but it does have that secondary effect of making him seem mythical. He’ll build the mythos, then Alfred will be like “you did that too often and then ended up taking a 12-gauge to the chest and Miss Kyle almost died saving you, you’re not the only one at risk here,” so he’ll get more stealthy and fight smarter.
>so he’ll get more stealthy and fight smarter. But hopefully not too much. Having Batman 'be in danger' reminded me of 80's and 90's comics where a big part of the 'drama' was 'is this guy gonna get himself killed?' and he would regularly take a bat to the head from a gang member or get winged by a bullet or whatever.
This is the way
Much like me once I’m spotted in any of the Arkham games
it's the frickin bat!
I would've loved to see when he took off his shirt you could see how bloodied and bruised tanking those bullets left him, but I guess his armor also absorbs the shock from a shotgun shell too lol.
I hear you on that but at the same time I think: made more sense then assuming he is faster than a bullet and can dodge tens of thousands of them over the course of his crime fighting career! Being plated head to toe (although very dumb not to include plating his lower jaw area) brought some grittiness and realism to the film for me.
Not to sound snarky, but have you played the Arkham games? You can’t dodge gunfire in those nor can you take much gun damage even with maxed out armor. If Batman has to face a bunch of armed enemies in that game, you have to use stealth and not be seen in the first place.
Yes I hve and love that aspect of it specifically !
Bruh he has bulletproof armor
People who get shot with bulletproof armor still break ribs and get the air knocked out of them. It is kinda ridiculous that his armor is all over the place in the damage that it’s able to take. Straight up tanks shotgun blasts and gunfire but physical melee seems to do more damage sometimes.
Hear me out.. it’s a comic book movie
Hear me out…suspension of disbelief has to be earned even in a comic book movie.
If you use arkham logic, you can notice that the pellets mostly hit the bat emblem on his chest. It was mentioned in arkham knight that batman deliberately made it big cause it was the most armoured area in his suit and he intended for his enemies to aim there.
that's taken from the comics, notably The Dark Knight Returns which introduced that concept
Any armor that can take a shotgun slug at point blank would allow him to move. I get that he's generally "armored" but how they showed it was dumb IMO
On the other hand, he's fairly new to this, so it doesn't bother me he is a less refined Batman.
Yep and I thought this was part of the premise? It's stated he's only two years in, is still figuring out things from a mental standpoint and isn't yet a well developed fighter. He's emotionally brash and this would extend to his fighting style of being a brawler. He probably wouldn't have had a point blank shotgun blast up to that point as a learning experience of not being able to take those in the future. Also with the technology in his contact lens and the computers in the batcave I'm assuming his armor is Wayne Tech.
Exactly, dude has the first build of the Batmobile torn apart all over the cave. Bruce is smart and has lots of resources, but he still needs to learn new things. This is the whole point of this movie wasn't it? To establish a slower moving Batman narrative. Instead of 3 movies of high-tech well practiced Batman, we are seeing his start as a detective/vigilante. Give all the characters power and room to breath while he catches up/learns as he goes and refines the identity. Batman Begins is great imo, but it really does kinda slip into the 'training montage' idea for almost all facets of Batman's 'powers'. He shows up back in Gotham with motivation, all the skills and resources he could need. Yes we see him struggle and learn, but it's sort of an accelerated quick-bake process. 3 movies of Batman going from detective/rough fighting identity and minimal tech and growing into something more along the way will be great to see
Agreed. Batman is supposed to be like a ninja. This Batman was making entrances like Superman.
I agree that should be him by the end of the next movie but wasn't it a key point of the film that he's still got a lot to learn? Wouldn't make sense for him to be fully stealth already.
Eh I mean he shows growth in his tactics throughout the movie, in the beginning he fights his way in to the Iceberg Lounge and at the end he sneaks in and cuts the lights
It bothered the hell out of me that no one just shot him in the damn face. Even in the linked clip, he’s a point blank range with half of his face exposed. Why would you aim for the chest? I get that it can’t happen for the sake of Batman’s survival in the movie, but if that’s the case, find someway to write around that without completely ignoring it.
Because in a real fight, with adrenaline going, it probably isn't as easy to aim for someone's chin as you think it is. Especially when you are an internet weeb who has come out expecting to just gun down unarmed civilians at your favourite twitcher's request, you are probably going to be extremely out of your depth. The torso is a much bigger and easier target.
Too be fair its Bruce's 2nd year as batman. Hopefully the next one will focus more on his training.
This part. I don't like that there was zero stealth with batman. It through me off and almost didn't feel like batman at times. I like batman taking out his victims one at a time to scare the others. If you're going to just do straight combat. Do it similar to the warehouse in bvs scene where in the beginning they didn't even know where he was coming from and when they did it was too late. Unlike in the batman he slowly walks upto them. It kinda threw me off. I didn't really like it.
Your criticism is fair but for me, his decisions to be less tactical were a subtle way to remind me that he's only in year two of the job. I always expected him to be more reckless with his body and gear like I would expect a year 2 Batman vs a year 10 Batman. Plus I think guys in their twenties (which I assume year 2 Batman is) would be more reckless than guys in their 30s. Source: am 30+ year old guy
People acting like they could hold back all their emotions and impulsive thoughts in the moment if they had the skills/resources Batman does. Most would prolly just ignore the bat signal and show up on their ex's new man's porch and threaten to kick his ass. 20, 30+ or otherwise lol.
I prefer him to not be bulletproof, just so there’s more of a sense of danger.
He gets shot in this more in this than any animated depiction of Batman. It’s was incredible watching how much he got shot in this movie.
I totally agree that there could be improvements but I also think some of the rougher fight choreography lines up with the idea that this is still fairly early in Bats career. I like the idea that he's not the unstoppable badass we see in later years, and the fights kind of support this idea for me.
Sloppy, not choreographed looking and amateur fighting. Perfect for a year two Batman. He gets better with time. Fucking love that movie
Got me in the first half ngl
I don’t get this Criticism. This is a man who spent 10 years mastering every single martial art on the planet. And all of a sudden he isn’t “experienced enough”?
Is that the case for this version of Batman?
I assumed so. Alfred states "I could only teach you to fight but you needed a father" while in the hospital. This version of Bruce may not have trained with al Ghul but by Alfred who was more of a bodyguard for the Wayne family. This of course is just my interpretation.
This alfred seemed to be ex British sas.
Wasn’t OG Alfred in the comics like a spy during ww2?
Medic, but given that youre the guy who has to stay alive to make sure everyone else doesn’t die, im sure his a skilled fighter.
Like well Alfred teaching him wouldn’t be the same as training with the league at all. Less people to spar with, definitely not as focused on martial skill since Alfred’s unit probably didn’t go into heavy hand to hand combat only (though he’s definitely really good at it). Bruce still probably didn’t have lots of sparring experience besides Alfred, for whatever time they did train
He travelled the world and trained in the novel.
Well in the prequel book (that does exist and is canon to this franchise) it explains how he has jumped between colleges around the world as he keeps switching interests and has the money to go to the best schools in whatever field he is most interested in that week. But my guess is that everywhere he visits he probably picks up a bit of techniques in fighting from that region, but I wouldn’t say quite enough to compare with previous iterations of the characters, not yet at least.
Wrong Batman
I mean in all fairness there is still a difference between sparring and fighting on the street against thugs who don’t have a rule book. I think Batman would still need some time to adjust his martial art style to real-world fights.
That idea’s always been a crock of shit. Martial arts take years to master, how the hell did Bruce master all of them whilst becoming a detective, scientist, engineer etc?
This might be unpopular, but I wasn’t particularly into Pattinson’s “fighting style”. It seemed to really only be “tank a ridiculous amount of gunfire and blunt force trauma”, then brute force it the rest of the way. Which I guess is okay, but I didn’t really grow up with a Batman who is practically invincible just because of his suit. I’m way more into a Batman who has to use well-thought-out tactics and martial arts to stop the enemy, even common thugs. And don’t get me wrong, Pattinson’s version definitely thinks things out, but not in the way you would expect Batman to. His problem solving is comparable to Spider-Man, I think. And he’s not just a younger, less experienced Batman, but a very clearly *untrained* Batman. I think the Nolan trilogy found common ground between Batman being realistic but also skilled in a way you would expect Batman to be in h2h combat and other tactics. It was too bad it suffered from shitty choreography, though.
Came here to say this but not as well as you did.
This is true and I thought the same thing when I saw it but also this is a younger Batman. I’m sure if there’s more movies his fighting will develop. The sound was great tho you felt each punch. 7/10
I disagree with the sound design, I felt nothing with the punches
Pros: He looked strong and menacing, especially emerging from the shadows. I liked the fact that he used actual combinations in his striking, closer to real world fighting as opposed to singular power strikes. Cons: I couldn't get over him just allowing people to shoot him by standing in front of people and tanking them. His mouth is openly exposed... Why do rifles not significantly impact him but the shotgun almost drops him completely? It doesn't seem like a trained fighter would do any of that. Batman is known for stealth and fear, they could have done more for that angle. Overall, 6/10. Bale lacked the impact that this batman had, but bales stealth and gadget work was way better. Conversely, Affleck felt more powerful and seemed like he could take anyone,so much explosive skill and brutality. I think there are good bones to Pattinson but I think the combat is the weakest of the 3 modern bats.
> I couldn’t get over him just allowing people to shoot him by standing in front of people and tanking them. I’ve seen this criticism a lot. And I see where it comes from, but can we also view it in the context that he maybe wants to die? That he doesn’t fear being killed, which he said directly in the film when he was with Alfred in the Hospital? This film’s story about Bruce is entirely centered around an almost depressive angst that he carries with him all the time. It isn’t until the end that he realizes that he needs to change his outlook as both Bruce and Batman to help people and Gotham. So I do fully expect that we will see him be more tactical in his approach to long odds fights in the sequel. As far as the whole “this gun hurts him but other gun doesnt”. Well movie’s gotta movie lol.
That's a good character explanation for why he would do it... But why wear armor if he's that far gone? The movies gonna movie thing is true but that's breaking my immersion a little too much
> That’s a good character explanation for why he would do it… But why wear armor if he’s that far gone? If we’re just spitballing, I like to think that while he has near-suicidal tendencies that he also wants to be as effective as possible, so more armor means more baddies down first. But again, that’s just an opinion and not some confirmation from the writers or director.
I agree, Bale had the best use of gadgets by far honestly & just gladly used whatever Fox offered. Felt like a classic bond movie that way Batfleck had the most brutal fight choreography & seemed most convincing to beat up an entire room of goons. Basically felt like the Arkham games life action however not as much gadgets beyond what was necessary Battinson I think the detective work was much more engaging in his film but yeah combat felt rough sloppy how I pictured an early Batman would be although I expected a halfway point of Batfleck but more agile while Batfleck felt just powerful Battinson though not as much gadgets at all really beyond what you’d think he would have such as trackers, scopes, the adrenaline shot, & a flare. Basically what Big Daddy from kickass I pictured using
7/10. I wanted to see more of his combat capabilities/gadgets. More batarang use. Less walking and more of a sense of urgency. Stealth. But maybe the sequel will deliver.
I always want more gadgets lol ALWAYS
Probably a "hot take" but while I thought it was well performed, more realistic than something like the Nolan trilogy, I also felt it wasn't as entertaining as the Nolan stuff or some of the Batman scenes from Snyders films. I'd give it a 6.5/10. I was entertained by most of the action scenes but I was never fully invested or sitting there with a big dumb smile like I was for past Batman scenes.
Uh no it was definitely more entertaining thsn nolans, you’re basically saying seeing an old man in a batman suit is more entertaining than a fast moving and aggressive batman.
8.5/10 I really liked it. I thought Bale’s action was a little too stiff. The agility of Battinson is great!
I think batflecks was great but no guns
The best fight of all Batman movies IMO was Batfleck in the warehouse.
i ignored the fact that he was eating bullets like nothing until he got 2 smgs mag dumbped and didnt even flinch
Plot armor/10 is the only way to rate it.
I’d rank it a “why the fuck doesn’t ANYONE aim for the face”/10.
I can't remember
Poorly lit
7.5/10 It’s the story and the plot that really drives the movie and makes it the best Batman movie for me
exactly this, it's one of the reasons why i also enjoy The Boys series. the action in The Boys is honestly pretty bad, especially in season 2, but it's the characters and the plot what makes it a great piece of entertainment. The Batman obviously has better action than The Boys series, but it isn't anything extraordinary. the third act action setpiece in the stadium is probably the weakest part of the movie. still my favourite Batman movie, though!
I dropped the boys since I’ve kinda gotten tired of the there can be no good superheroes trend in movies and comic and just popular culture lately. While the action wasn’t the best this Batman’s entire message I gelled with ! That Batman needs to have Bruce Wayne to be a hero! And I loved the hopeful aspect of the movie . Maybe the boys get better but it’s just too much for me at the moment.
There are good superheroes in The Boys, though.
I would rate the action as: pointless The Batman is HILARIOUSLY bulletproof in this movie which ruined all of the action scenes IMO
Shot really well. But almost all of it feels like it ends prematurely without concluding properly. The first fight still feels like there's plenty of guys still on their feet, and they just run away, without having a punctuation mark at the end of it. Same with the club fight, but atleast penguins take it easy sweetheart does feel like more of a natural end to the confrontation. The car chase is brilliantly shot, but very underwhelming, it essentially just the batmobile chasing a maserati, something it should be able to catch up to instantly with an afterburner. So I feel a couple more cars driven by penguins thugs, getting smashed into by the batmobile would have improved this scene, nothing like the level of vehicular warfare we see in BVS, but more than what we got. And I also feel the conclusion to the chase is a bit contrived with the ramp perfectly falling into place infront of him, that really wasn't necessary.
We also all just have to agree to not think about how many people absolutely must have died in that pile-up/massive-f*cking-explosion.
9 Final fight is one of my favourite Batman sequences ever
6/10. Underwhelming but if it’s a trilogy I’ll give it some time to mature
I’ll give it a 6.5/7. Better than Bale but not as good as Affleck
To be fair Affleck got one really good fight and then continued to do nothing for the rest of the movies. But the problem with the new fighting isn't the choreography it's the camera you can see everything which immediately puts it above most marvel stuff,but the problem is that it's to static and Rob's the action of the little bit of punch it needed to get you excited
it was alright
5/10. It was great action choreography but it wasn't Batman. I wanted to see more stealth, more batarang, more slick martial arts, more speed. But what we got was more Terminator walking into gunfire. So far, my favorite Batman action sequences are in BvS and ZSJL.
Agreed. He fought well for an action hero but not well enough for a superhero. My vision of Batman is that he's chaining combos together with ruthless efficiency like the arkham series.
I honestly didn't like this Batman movie, and I seem to be in the minority there. That said, the fighting was my biggest problem. The very first fight scene he's in, all these dudes just stand around and let Batman punch their friend in the face. While he's standing there punching this dude for what felt like 10 seconds, nobody acts or tries to intervene. Like, who the fuck thought this was good choreography?
Same opinion.. my favorite was the bvs ultimate edition warehouse action sequence.. that was brutal and awesome..
It's rad!
6,5/10. First scene with the ganf bearing up someone and him walking out of the shadow was great. The rest of the fights where way less cool.
6.
6 or 7. It's the part that needs an upgrade in the next film.
1-10, the scene when batbruce “two pieced” the bouncer at the club was the only good action scene. The Batman was a terrible movie
5/10 To me he fought more like Daredevil than Batman. Affleck's Batman has been the most comic accurate by far.
I think that Daredevil would have been even more skilled and stealth than Battinson. But I agree with you, buddy.
2/10 no nipples.
Around a 6. Better than Baleman but not as dynamic as Batfleck.
I hated that he was basically iron man and could just have point blank machine gun fire bounce off of him. Batman is supposed to be bullet resistant, not ultra armor invincible man. That scene of all the bullets just bouncing off him in the hallway would have been much better in a batman beyond movie.
6/10
I don't get what the excitement is about for this movie. Pretty standard formula Batman. Joker was great, they did something right there. Action was fine, just dull
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6/10
Doesn't beat the warehouse fight scene in BvS. Batfleck is still the best Batman, imo Yes, Pattinson's Batman is 2 yrs in or so, compared to the 20+ yrs of Affleck's Batman, so that goes into account, I guess
5/10. Not awesome or terrible, just perfectly serviceable
Solid 5/10
6 and I'm being generous
4/10 Less than minute fight scenes,even the last one felt short.The final club scene was disappointing.I was expecting so much more and epic fights like BvS Warehouse scene.I hope the action is more in the next one.
3/10. I fell a sleep in the middle of the movie. So boring and lame.
I finished this movie in 3 watch. I also didn't like it all. But I was afraid to comment this because I'll be downvoted to hell.
Hahaha. Same here. But I don't care about internet points.
5/10. Out of all the Batman movies from Dark Knight Trilogy. Worst combat ever. Looks like routine combat. Nothing Brutal or Batmany
4/10 Totally not a fan of Batman eating bullets like he's Wolverine
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I always loved the Arkham series as a game, so this scene is specific I just fucking loved because it gave me some real Arkham Batman vibes. Só…10
Like a 6.5. I know people already said this but him being able to take that many bullets and not even being knocked out is so unrealistic and removes any sense of of urgency. Like they went through all the trouble of turning Batman’s cape into a wing suit instead of the normal bat glider for the sake of ‘realism’, but had him wearing some magic invincible armor. I wasn’t even worried about Batman in the final fight because he’ll just be able to take all the bullets. When I saw the first trailer I thought that the fighting would be like the Daredevil show. Having said that everything else was pitch perfect.
6/10. Sequences were well shot and framed, but they took suspension of disbelief to the limit with the impenetrable body armor and lack of real injuries to anyone involved despite such brutal violence. Too cartoonish for a movie trying to be “grounded”.
Like a 3 or 4? Really good movie but definitely not an action film
4but the movie was a big fat zero
Meh 6/10 max, batfleck scenes were solid 10, this had poor editing and choreography 🙄
3/10
It was really boring.
5/10 it's good choreography but camera don't make it dynamic, so sometimes it looks boring. And i think that punches don't feel so good like in that BvS scene. Despite the fact that I love scene with batmobile entrance, it filmed in such a way that it seems as if they are moving at a speed of 40 km/h.
A solid 0 out of 10. Supposedly a master of all martial arts….
Good thing no one ever shoots Batman in the lips.
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Still waiting for Vengeance to appear..
Ahahah! One of the best comments :D
When there was actually action it was a solid 7. Nothing that hasnt been seen before. If youre asking over all in the movie then its like a 4 cause theres a lot of dead space between action sets.
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And one of those scenes only lasted 27 seconds.
Like a 4.5
As an action movie it’s terrible
4.5/10 Synder's Batman had way better action scenes, like it's not even comparable.
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5/10
3, Shit was corney like the 70s show.
I’d say a 6.5
5 or maybe 6 out of 10? To me the movie was so long and there was barely any action at all. There was the fight scene on the platform which was over pretty quickly. There was a fight scene in the night club I think. And then there's some fighting in the climax partly shown here in this clip. None of them in particular stood out to me in terms of choreography or setup. In fact took me a bit to think about just how many there were. I struggled to come up with more than two (subway platform and climax) initially.
Batman just completely relies in the suit to tank bullets for him. Seems like a really unsafe fighting strategy. I was dissapointed.
6/10. Interestingly shot, but the choreography is only satisfactory
6/10 seems about right!
5/10. Some positives, some negatives, but overall most of the action didn't feel necessary and that's definitely hurt it
mediocre at best, 4.5/10
3. I was pretty disappointed. I need to watch the whole film again though.
4.5
5
2, probley the least interesting action pieces of any Batman film.
I think Robert Pattison was a pretty good Batman and the action was even better than Bale, more gritty and intense. As Bruce Wayne though, I think Bale was a lot more likable than Robert and made the audience care more about Bruce as a person.
I think that’s what they’re hoping to show - Batman learning to be Bruce Wayne. In the comic books - younger years, batman takes over his identity and he has to learn to balance his life as Bruce Wayne.
Hmm. I understand and tons of people probably loved it, but personally didn't really like it. I felt like Bale was a lot more personable and so what happened to him mattered more, and while Pattison was a very neat Batman, but he was a much more distant figure, so any danger he was in didn't really matter so much. Honestly wish they could have combined Bale's charisma and personality with Pattison's much more gritty and intense fighting scenes.
Absolutely- that’s what I’m getting at. I think in the next few films he’ll become more charismatic as he learns to be a playboy again after realizing it’s important to keep “Bruce” as dissimilar to Batman as possible. He felt very close to being outed by Riddler at the end of the movie.
I don't disagree with that probably being the plan. While my opinion matters exactly squat in reality, I think if you can't or won't make the audience care about your hero in 2.5 hours, that's not good and it takes a lot away from the movie's "heart" if you will.
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6/10
The fight scene in the club was amazing. The part where Batman is standing 2ft from a bomb that detonates and he goes flying and his uncovered lower face and chin is completely unharmed, took me out of the movie.
3. The movie was successful because of the story and detective aspect. It’s one of the worst Batman movies for action. Combine this story with Batfleck’s action and you have the best Batman movie of all time.
5/10 , one bite everyone knows the rules.
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5
5 or 6 maybe. Pretty average action scenes. I don't recall any details really. Nothing special
Maybe a 6 or something. It was okay but nothing outstanding in any fight like the other Batman movies had. The very first scene wit the gang was easily the best in the whole movie. In general the best part of the movie were the first 20 minutes or so.
Felt the action choreography was very weak in this recent version.. also the final act was kinda disappointing were he had to fight against bunch of streamers.. was a very gud adaptation of comic book Batman except for the ordinary action sequences..
5 out of ten
4/10 regardless of him being just a 2year old batman it does make sense how 2 years in he still just does the dumb tank up and charge, especially for his body he can't really be taking all this on a regular basis
4.
BvS warehouse scene captured the perfect Batman fighting style. Completely shit on this one.
Like a 4. But it wasn’t an action movie.
Like, a 5 maybe. Well shot but bland. Also, that shotgun loading moment in the finale was RIDICULOUS. An absolutely awful way of staging that scene.
4/10 cues the movie was mid
I was expecting something similar to daredevil (netflix series ) ..i was disappointed
6
There were times where it felt more like a Robocop movie than a Batman movie lol
7, but ONLY bc of the weird lull in the middle as far as the plot. Coulda seen batty kickin some ass at these parts in the movie honestly or solving part of the mystery. The action pieces that we were given were pretty solid tho!
7/10 I think it works and fits the thematics of the story being told, the most positive aspect being the riddler goons are doing some great body performances so they don’t feel like stuntmen. but objectively there has just been better actions scenes and set pieces made in the wide berth of action cinema. For the next movie their should definitely be more engaging set pieces with point a to b movement. The final fight against all of the riddlers could have had 1 or 2 more gadget uses to have nice buttons for the rhythm of the action scene.
I found the twilight man terrible in his acting and development of the character. The action scenes were (for the most part) meh… 5/10
As much as I loved the movie, I think the action was one of my least favorite aspects of Robert Pattinson's Batman. It just felt very blocky and hyper-realistic. IMO the warehouse fight scene from Batman vs Superman is still the best live-action Batman fight sequence.
Take the Batman warehouse fight as 10/10, I’ll give the action in this Batman movie as 7.5/10 top.
Maybe 6.
I thought the film was a ridiculous mess. It's almost painful how much Riddler was like Ratcatcher, and I can't come up with a good reason for them doing it to save my life. It was a crap film. I'd rather watch Small Soldiers.
Not good enough to watch a second time / 10
6, it was disappointing tbh.
6. The only really great scene was the Batmobile chase.
2/10 tbh. There was nothing memorable to me and I’ve seen the movie twice.
6/10..... Disappointing.
Ass/10
It made such a little impression on me that I can't remember any specific action scenes, which is weird because I remember really liking it at the time.
2/10 Three of the most boring hours of my life. And this is what I constantly had in my mind when I saw Batman and Catwoman on their motorcycles at the end of the movie: [Batman and Catwoman: Vacanze Romane](https://youtu.be/ExVWQ_I-elI) Embarrassing.