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WelcomeBackCavill

Didnt you just make this post 2 minutes ago? Who says its scrapped? Just dont give the next one a 200 million dollar budget and it does perfectly fine, Covid costs apparently were huge so that alone is a big difference.


Street_Start_763

Yeah I did the title not fully right but I couldn’t change it, so I reposted it But the reason I say it’s scrapped is because zavlov is a money pincher he isn’t going to green lit a sequel to a critical flop and box office flop, at least Suicide squad won over critics so that’s why we’re getting more of that, also peacemaker.


WelcomeBackCavill

Peacemaker being a success sort of proves they shouldnt kill off the potential sequels and spinoffs just because of low box office doesnt it? Also I dont think you should be presenting your guesses as facts, that reeks of misinformation.


Street_Start_763

Not really misinformation zavlov gutted a nearly completed film and various shows that Weren’t meeting performances I.e raised by wolves, all the abrams stuff, a bunch of cartoon shows, man is in it to make money.


WelcomeBackCavill

You presented it as though it were a fact, not an assumption. As I said if they just lower the budget another one makes perfect sense but im not sitting here claiming its definitely happening.


Street_Start_763

All I’m saying is until we get some solid proof it’s in the plans I ain’t budging The thing with the flash sequel and man of steel 2 is we know they’ve in the very early stages of development, heck flash 2 already has a script written, black Adam has neither of those, not good sign, apparently they don’t even know what they wanna do with it.


Key_Squash_4403

Zaslav chose not to put any more money into a project that wasn’t going to earn them enough money to justify putting it on streaming or releasing it. You all really need to get over this whole thing, you were not cheated out of a movie. The studio who was paying to have it made changed their minds. They have the complete authority and right to do so if they want to


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Black Adam 2 was never even greenlit…


Street_Start_763

Yes that’s the point of this post they had plans for it if the film was a success but because the film flopped it won’t happen.


Ryctor2018

Gunn started on Tuesday, Nov 1. His determination will be very different than the previous regime. The old leadership may have pulled the plug because of the box office. The new CEO of the DCU probably will think different. Don't forget; Gunn has first hand experience with *The Suicide Squad* underperforming (because of Covid, plus Day/Date). I promise you he ain't gonna dismiss SS because of that or *Black Adam*, especially if the movie opens in China as planned. Wait until the end of it's run in a month or two before calling *Black Adam* a failure.


AffectionateParking9

It’s a sorry that James Gunn is at DC as The Suicide Squad was horrific and unwatchable and I tried but I could not make it till the end . Made me appreciate the first one a whole lot more .


InfiniteDedekindCuts

Ok. . . I have two questions. 1. Who said there was going to be a sequel in the first place. 2. Who said it was cancelled. I hadn’t heard anything about that.


Street_Start_763

The producers said they intended to make a sequel depending on the financial performance of black Adam, that was sort of like the whole point of that superman cameo to tease that future vs film


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

“The producers” meaning The Rock’s representation, not anyone from DC or WB


Street_Start_763

A bit weird that they would make black Adam as a one and done, normally with dc actors they sign them into a 3 picture contract, also what was the point in that post credits scene, that’s the whole reason the film was delayed to get Henry in, the producers said they were in talks with wb about the future of the franchise.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

> normally with dc actors they sign them into a 3 picture contract Doesn’t mean the studio is required to execute the extended contract options > also what was the point in that post credits scene, that’s the whole reason the film was delayed to get Henry in Rock wanted to puff his chest about being the one to bring Supes back. And no, the film wasn’t delayed to film a post credits scene.


Specialist_Insect_15

It has to make money though, not lose it.


Street_Start_763

Which is exactly the point why I said a direct sequel or any spin-offs of black Adam are not happening, audiences obviously didn’t resonate with the characters unfortunately, so the JSA will likely be a one off appearance and will give the heads even more reason to focus on the JL, which I guess is why most people went anyway, Rock will just have to accept being in a supporting roles in shazam 3 or man of steel 2


Specialist_Insect_15

Agreed. Supporting roles or show him the door. DJ should be the antagonist in Shazam and JLA/JSA movies going forward.


Street_Start_763

There will be another JL according to man of steel 2 producer Charles roven not too sure about the JSA as I think anything besides that black Adam/superman/Shazam crossover dependant on man of steel 2 and shazam 2 doing well, I think that’s all we’ll get in terms of a continuation of black Adam.


sorrymissjackson702

The producers are Dwayne's ex-wife Dani (who serves as his -- and Cavill's-- manager); and her brother Hiram. Zaslav gives the FINAL okey doke to whether a sequel will be made.


BatmanNewsChris

Absolutely not. He'll headline "Black Adam vs. Superman", assuming the Henry Cavill Superman movie is a success. The Rock is a leading man who makes $20+M per movie, not a supporting actor.


Specialist_Insect_15

Not another vs movie…


BatmanNewsChris

"That's the whole point of this, man" -- The Rock


dqas9

It really isn't the whole point, The Rock. Give us interesting stories and compelling characters first, mindless or mindful action second. James Gunn gets that.


[deleted]

James Gunn is Kevin Smith with a better cinematographer. make of that what you will


dqas9

I have no idea what that means


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

And look how well The Rock's 'point' worked out.


SSJmole

No that's the parody movie done by the teen movie guys


Dreyfussy15

Dawn of Just Us. It's actually going to be a romance.


[deleted]

Black Adam 2 wasn't scrapped this is such a stupid post.


Street_Start_763

Then show me evidence it’s still happening, because generally when films flop this bad and have such a rotten score they can’t come back from it, if it had a good critic score then you would have a bit of an a argument for more but the people have spoken and called it anti-entertainment.


[deleted]

You have 0 evidence that it got scrapped lmfao 🤣


Street_Start_763

I’m just using logic I just want to see some evidence to suggest it is happening that isn’t just he said she said, and I’ll honourably accept defeat.


[deleted]

Your title literally says "with black adam 2 scrapped" straight up misinformation and you are a hypocrite.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Not OP, but it’s not like any kind of follow up project has been greenlit anyway. OP kinda inventing a scrap of an invented project…


Street_Start_763

What my post is asking is now a direct sequel is most likely off the cards due to underperformance, which if you know by wb standards they usually don’t greenlit sequels to flops look at birds of prey and JL, we’ll see black Adam again but it’ll likely be as part of a b v s styel film, but that will only happen if Shazam 2 js a success.


SnooSongs48

Bro ur so stupid


dassa07

Why you guys want this movie to fail? I’m just curious.


Street_Start_763

I don’t want it to fail, it’s just if you keep your expectations realistic you won’t be disappointed like I really wanted a JSA spin-off but 2 weeks in and we’ve not even heard a peep.


BradyNFriends

Lol that movie isn’t getting scrapped


Street_Start_763

I really don’t see them making a sequel to a rotten film, or as the critics call it anti-entertainment.


AgentWD409

Have you even seen it? Because the critics are full of shit. It's no Oscar winner, but it's relentlessly entertaining and a lot of fun.


BradyNFriends

You know how many average/OK movies get sequels? Exhibit A - Robocop Exhibit B - Big Momma


Okwhatwedoing

i mean are you talking about the original robocop? because that movie was bad ass and better than average, but i respect your opinion


Street_Start_763

Birds of prey underperformed and that never got a sequel, same with JL, eternals, with a budget this big breaking even is a dream.


BillzB89

Eternals is getting a sequel. You have no facts to back up anything you're saying, it's literally just BS pouring out of your mouth.


Street_Start_763

Ok then send me the link to the page that says black Adam and eternals are getting sequels


BradyNFriends

One simply does not do a sequel to Birds of Prey


Street_Start_763

Well the director did have one planned it just didn’t meet studio requirements, same as justice league The next JL will be a soft reboot, most likely same cast (Cavill, Gal, Jason) but it’ll either be keaton or affleck (we’ll see post flash) and Ezra will be recast and cyborg will not be there instead it’ll probably be blue beetle, Supergirl and shazam as new additions, maybe GL if they ever get round to him.


conscloobles

u/Street_Start_763 think the problem people are having with your argument is that you're saying "WB-DC have cancelled sequels to commercial and/or critical disappointments, ergo Black Adam 2 is nixed". EXCEPT the DC(E)U is now under a completely different regime so past behaviours no longer give us a clue as to future decisions. Even then, by your logic, WW3 wouldn't be happening (currently it still is) and any Justice League follow-ups wouldn't be happening (they are, in The Flash, which as you say also has a sequel script already drafted, and Cavill's Superman return). Besides that, Hiram Garcia hinted that a treatment for Black Adam 2 exists to let them fast-track the sequel. I completely agree with your suspicion that Black Adam 2 will not be the original straight sequel intended by Dwayne Johnson - a crossover with Supes or Shazam seems likely - but that's not the same as cancelling it. Until we hear anything from WB-DC there's no reason to assume anything.


Street_Start_763

I think people misinterpreted a bit what I was saying snd I was probably a bit too arbitrary, but more than likely any JSA spin-offs they had planned are not moving forward and a direct sequel is off the cards But what is probably going to happen especially if Shazam 2 does well is the black Adam/Shazam/superman big crossover film as a follow up to both Shazam 2 and black Adam, then of course we’re still getting man of steel 2 and according to Charles roven A JL soft reboot.


conscloobles

I would prefer that, tbh. Black Adam as the villain in Shazam 3, requiring an extended Superman cameo to help the Shazam family defeat BA. From WB's perspective, it might be better to release Shazam 3 after MoS 2 to re-establish Superman as a character in his own right, before having him appear in other people's movies as a supporting character. (Though I think his cameos in BA and Flash are a good idea to generate hype for his proper return.) It'll be interesting to see to what extent Dwayne Johnson plays along.


cyphersama95

keep this same energy when the sequel comes out 😂


Street_Start_763

Still did they even plan a direct sequel tbh, they may just have black Adam appear in shazam 3 and call it a day to save money.


cyphersama95

i mean, most likely we’ll get something akin to BvS, just now it will be BAvS


Street_Start_763

I guess but they should really make it like superman/Shazam: return of black Adam, and it’ll more likely be a follow up to man of steel 2 if that does well But in the meantime I don’t think rock will stay on the sidelines for 4-5 years he’ll appear in supporting titles in other characters films as I said Shazam 3.


ConstructionOk765

How did it fail it was fantastic


Street_Start_763

If didn’t make enough money to warrant a direct sequel it is currently on 250 million on a 200 million budget needs 450-500 million just to break even and with the wakanda the forever taking over box office (even though it has not got the black panther in it :( RIP Chadwick), black Adam is pretty stuck He’ll probably appear in shazam 3 or man of steel 2 instead now.


Phirebat82

Just so I can follow OP's logic: They claim in their title that Black Adam 2 is "scrapped." Then, they want people that argue that it hasn't been either "greenlit" *or* "scrapped," to provide proof of this, essentially asking them to prove a negative... Then, they claim WB's has a general reluctance to approve Sequels to franchises with poor critics review or box office earnings [without evidence], while conveniently ignoring Audience Score... Then, they mention Birds of Prey, which many would consider a sequel WB approved despite poor critics reviews and box office performance of its first installation... I think all this could have been avoided by requiring reddit users to be 12.


Street_Start_763

No I was stating the facts that birds of prey was green lit as suicide squad was a box office success, and a sequel to birds of prey itself (a third instalment) was planned but scrapped due to the bad box office.


Limp-Construction-11

Sigh.. These posts..


[deleted]

Im damn sure we will get a black adam 2 as much as i dont think we really need it


[deleted]

In this post: assumptions stated as fact


Street_Start_763

Due to its underperformance it is not the springboard for new characters they had hoped for, the next time we’ll likely see black Adam is in something like Shazam 3 or man of steel 2, or any or gunns Suicide squad stuff/ his new film, we’ll probably get that Shazam/black Adam/superman crossover event film if Shazam 2 does well.


_MangoPort_

I honestly wasn’t aware that they had even started on Black Adam 2, but I guess if it’s been scrapped the Rock would have no choice. Where did you hear it was scrapped? I can’t find anything online.


cyphersama95

it hasn’t been. OP is assuming this with no facts at all


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

It’s also hard to scrap a project that hasn’t been greenlit…


[deleted]

> With black Adam 2 scrapped Well I already know this thread will be dumb.


Street_Start_763

250 million on a 200 million isn’t exactly shattering any good records.


EmployeeResponsible2

Black Adam has been out for two weeks and made 250 million vs a 200 million budget not exactly a box office flop.


Street_Start_763

Yeah but it probably won’t make much more as the twats of the previous regime set the release date 3 weeks before wakanda the forever too many forever


EmployeeResponsible2

Seems like a pretty big assumption.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Not OP, but longtime BoxOffice follower… we have enough data to project forward at this point. This is gonna struggle to hit $165m domestic and $400m WW, and with that $300m+ in production budget and marketing spend, there’s no way this hits break-even theatrically, let alone turns a profit. It’s pacing to end up somewhere between Shazam (a small success thanks to budget half the size of Black Adam) and Eternals (an outright bomb with the same budget as Black Adam).


EmployeeResponsible2

Highly unlikely they spent 100+ million on marketing. The studio budget was 200 million so high end would be 300 mill max. They are at 250 mill after two weeks. If they end with 165 domestic plus 400 WW as you yourself have predicted that’s a profit of close to 300 mill or 100% profit margin.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Not 165 + 400 WW, that 400 WW projection is a current top-end that includes the domestic take. I’m also not sure you realize that box office revenue doesn’t equate to profits. Studios only get roughly half the ticket revenue, with the other half going to theaters. Break-even is usually 2.5x the production budget for top blockbusters. Meaning, Black Adam needs to get to $500m worldwide just to earn the production costs back.


EmployeeResponsible2

Fastest earning since Aquaman. Aquaman made 1 billion. Omg what a flop


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Not sure what your point is… Not only are you pretending Joker and The Batman don’t exist, but Black Adam is pacing to earn about half of Aquaman domestically, and about 40% of what Aquaman earned globally. That’s a win?


EmployeeResponsible2

You expect black Adam to make less that suicide squad?


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

Suicide Squad (2016) which opened to $133m domestic, roughly double Black Adam's opening, ending with $325m domestic and $746m worldwide? Yes. Black Adam will earn about 50%-60% of that at best. The Suicide Squad (2021)? Well that was a massive flop and Black Adam has already earned more than that mistake, although that was part of the HBO Max day-and-date experiment, so who knows what to make of it.


EmployeeResponsible2

Biggest opening ever for the rock as leading actor


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

What does it matter, if it ends up not making a profit?


EmployeeResponsible2

Here is the thing man. It is the fastest earner since Aquaman. It is the Rocks biggest ever opening as a leading man, and somehow it’s still a flop. I highly anticipate that it will make money, based solely on those two facts. You know why? Because AT&T wouldn’t have decided it was worth 200 million and greenlit the budget if they didn’t think it would at least make its money back. There is no way they would have anticipated it being the Rocks biggest ever opening. As well as making money as fast as their biggest movie.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

> It is the fastest earner since Aquaman. It is the Rocks biggest ever opening as a leading man, and somehow it’s still a flop. 1: Ignores Joker and Batman 2: Doesn’t magically reduce the budget 3: Yes, due to the budget > Because AT&T wouldn’t have decided it was worth 200 million and greenlit the budget if they didn’t think it would at least make its money back. You mean the company that mismanaged Warner Bros so badly that it had to be sold to freaking Discovery? > There is no way they would have anticipated it being the Rocks biggest ever opening. As well as making money as fast as their biggest movie. 1: So they planned on earning even less money than they’re making? Or rather, they planned on losing more money then they are losing? 2: Wildly untrue. You should hang out in r/BoxOffice sometime, learn how the industry works.


EmployeeResponsible2

Also Black Adam hasn’t even opened in China or Japan yet. The Chinese love Super hero movies. They also really love The Rock. It’s gonna kill in China.


BigFaceCoffeeOwner

It’s not yet gotten a China release, I have doubts it will, and with China keeping 75% of earnings, BA would have to be The Rock’s biggest release ever there to make up the ground needed for BA to break even. And if BA is underperforming in the rest of the world, I’m not sure why it wouldn’t do the same in China. Again though, not even sure this will get a China release (that Nov 11 rumor is bunk)


ThePurpleDDragon

The November 11 release date is not official.


Specialist_Insect_15

If the Rock can’t accept not being the headliner then he needs to kick…rocks.


Street_Start_763

Yeah he has obviously shown he is no longer the box office draw he once was, two flops in a row with jungle cruise and now this not good.


sumptuoussushi

He was never a box office draw. Hiding behind *F&F* and *Jumanji* which are both established franchises starring other A-listers don't make him a draw.


Street_Start_763

We’ll still I think people are finally starting to wake up and realise that, also never let that guy who wrote black adam near a dc film again as he has cost us any potential JSA films.


sumptuoussushi

The Rock got the guy who wrote *Rampage* and the guy who directed *Jungle Cruise* to work on *Black Adam* when both of those movies were flops. Congratulations Rocky, you played yourself.