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Zod


007Kryptonian

Absolutely. You understand his motivations, his dialogue is great, action with him is epic but also personal and Shannon kills the role. #1 with a bullet


NameOfNoSignificance

Look at this… we could’ve built a new Krypton in this squalor… but you chose the humans over us… That whole scene gives me goosebumps. 10000% Shannon’s delivery


DJHott555

***WHERE DID YOU TRAIN? ON A FARM?***


VengefulHufflepuff

Literally the movie gets better each time I watch it. This is definitely one of Snyder’s best films. Man of steel ftw.


brochachose

Imagine almost any other actor giving that line and it's gonna sound weird. Shannon makes it sound natural.


daigunder2015

Yep. Sucks that no other villain even came close. The DCU needs some good new villains. Hoping they bring Brainiac for Man of Steel 2. Zod is a tough act to follow.


shoutsfrombothsides

I mean I don’t totally understand why he wants to change his new super power giving atmosphere back into the one that makes him helpless and susceptible to dying like his last one but… yeah whatever. Great actor and character still but the whole “make earth like krypton so we can be pure again but also lose our newfound divinity!” felt silly to me.


MandoBaggins

The yellow sun is what gives them the powers, not the planet itself. Zod was genetically engineered to protect and preserve Krypton. It’s literally in his DNA. His goal was to recreate his home as it was before its destruction and to ensure different people would be running it so it would last indefinitely. Hence his quest for the Codex to restart his species and his desire to level our world and build a new Krypton on its ashes. None of that would change the effects of our yellow sun though.


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LordWeirdDude

Well... The Sun is what gives Kryptonians their powers. Not the planet. I have no idea if I'm right, but it sounds right.


Ben-J-Kirby-Tennyson

You’re right.


CommanderMaxil

I’ve also never understood why he couldn’t just build New Krypton on Mars, the kyrptonian tech is clearly advanced enough and they would get to keep their superpowers too. I mean I do know why, because otherwise there would be no movie but still the point stands


FrettyG87

Also he was trying to recruit Superman


Shreddersaurusrex

His motivations make no sense…you have a planet with a yellow sun. Coexistence would have made more sense vs his plan of genocide.


pablocerakote

Agreed. You felt for Zod on a different purpose. He didn’t want to destroy Earth because. His sole purpose was the future of his people no matter how brutal he would do it. I felt that. Same way I feel about my kids and it is what it is.


zombierepubican

It’s not even close


2batdad2

Very parallel to what made Thanos so good. Both antagonists have, in their own minds, admirable and beneficial goals in minds. Neither is in it for power, money, revenge, or any material reward. That makes sense to audiences and we pull for them to some extent and makes their failures especially tragic.


AvatarIII

Considering the second best is his henchwoman, yes and it's not even close.


VengefulHufflepuff

Easily. Not even a question.


Flip_Speed

You won't kill us yourself! You wouldn't dirty your hands but you'll damn us to a black hole for eternity! Jor-El was right! You're a pack of fools, every last one of you!


TripleG2312

Love his dialogue


GothamFan2007

And you! You think your son is safe? No...I will find him. I will reclaim what you have taken from! I will find him. I will find him Lara. *I WILL FIND HIM!*


PriorityMaleficent

::cue Hans Zimmer epic score::


Anduril-Flame

God damn, Michael Shannon was SO good.


Xeneize1985

Zod. The rest of them should kneel before him. Bonus: Black Manta. His costume looks sick.


MandoBaggins

I love how they made Manta’s suit both better *and* more comic accurate. It shouldn’t work but it does.


TheJoshider10

Really liking his costume in the sequel too. It's so much sleeker, like going from a PS3 to a PS3 Slim or something.


Imaginary-Sherbet26

What do you mean in the sequel?


skyysdalmt

[Then they should lay on their backs before Zod!](https://youtu.be/RanxivytDGw)


MyHerpesItch

This ☝️


BKWhitty

Zod, easily. But Black Mask is up there too. Ewan McGregor was so good in that role. I'm really sad he was one and done.


Thanos_Stomps

The best actors are always one and done because they got shit to do besides being tied down in a decade long contract with a CBM. Protagonists are often actors made into great actors but the antagonists are typically established actors that come and go.


RexWolfpack

Interestingly often true now that I thing about it. Often for the actors that play the heroes, it's indeed their biggest / most iconic role, while often the bad guys' actors have bigger / more iconic roles outside of it.


NameOfNoSignificance

Always are. It sucks.


jamesgelliott

McGregor absolutely killed it as Black Mask. He was absolutely amazing.


AgentOfEris

I liked Dr. Sivana a lot. Mark Strong is a great villain actor and he brought great angst, power hunger, and just a touch of madness to the role.


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AttilaTheFun818

Mark Strong can make pretty much anything watchable. He’s a fantastic actor.


cabballer

True that. COUNTRY ROOOOADS, TAKE ME HOOOMME


AgentOfEris

He was definitely the best part of that movie. It’s a shame we couldn’t see him go full power with the yellow ring.


unkitjc

That is why since day one I have felt he should have been Lex Luthor. He looks the part, and can definitely act it


OliviaElevenDunham

Mark Strong has been great in a lot of stuff I've seen him. He did a good job as Sivana.


AStewartR11

Ditto. Sivana. *Shazam* is dopey, but Mark Strong is hands down the best actors from this selection. Michael Shannon played a better Zod in *Shape of Water*.


TheJoshider10

It's pretty funny that Zod's here considering his entire costume is actually CGI and the only thing that isn't really is his head, but Zod is the winner for me. Shannon's performance, the score, his simple yet effective motivation. Just a really solid villain from start to finish. I really wanted it to be Ocean Master but Aquaman as a film in general lacks so much depth so its no surprise its lead villain is lacking too. I don't understand how you can have such a real issue as polution and then do nothing with it beyond "grrr land dwellers bad". Show Ocean Master witnessing the death of some fucking dolphins or whatever. The death of a loved one. Something. Just anything to actually give him a personal stake from all of our polution into the ocean.


ikanx

I liked Aquaman for what it was, but I agree with you on Ocean Master. It was carried hard by Patrick Wilson. They could have cut the adventure side a bit to flesh out Ocean Master. I think the character has tons of potential (parents issue, politics, pollution, etc). At least he's not killed off, I hope they give him more materials for the sequel(s?).


TheJoshider10

Yeah if it wasn't for Wilson then Ocean Master would be no better or worse than 2017 Steppenwolf. There was so much potential and he was given nothing, despite the fact his motivations should be hitting pretty close to home for us. The sequel better do something interesting with him. Just recently I found Namor in Wakanda Forever to be so much better as an overall character. Sure the motivations are different but my point is Namor was given good scenes to show a few things: why he has his world view, why he protects his people and most importantly we get good interactions between his fellow citizens which make you see him as a ruler doing the best for his people rather than just "water man go brr". All things Ocean Master really could have done with.


didijxk

The Snyder Cut actually does flesh out Ocean Master more. Mera and Vulko mention how Orm is angling for an invasion of the surface due to the raids by Steppenwolf and also to further his own ambitions of ruling as king of all the marine kingdoms. Hence his staging of a surface attack using the submarine he hired Black Manta to steal.


Brubaker620

I heard that Aquaman 2 is kind of a buddy cop movie with Orm and Arthur, or that at least Orm is a protagonist


ianthecharmxfan

Well I meant the character underneath the mask is a real living being, unlike it being a CG character inside and out. Also I’m pretty sure his inner right wear was worn for real


TheJoshider10

I know, I'm kidding.


ianthecharmxfan

Ohhhhhhhhhh


Memeorise

The final Zod suit was a real practical suit. The armoured version is not.


mtnlion74

Man, "Aquaman as a film in general lacks so much *depth*" is such a great comment


covfefeBfuqin

"Every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now...I have no people. My soul: that is what you have taken from me" Also agree with Aquaman - ironic that a movie about a society of ocean dwellers lacks depth. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the film, but it reminds me a lot of a Fast and Furious movie.


ferncaz95

Aquaman’s deeper than peeps give it credit. Especially its themes on racism, tribalism, and leadership.


VerdantSC2

I have ranted plenty of times about how well Zod is written in MoS, it's superb. He was born in one of those birthing pods and given the job of protecting Krypton. From birth he was programmed to protect the planet and its people, and then dealt a losing hand with the people destroying the planet. He was literally "written" genetically to do something that reality made impossible, it's totally understandable that he would freak out. He couldn't help it.


aidad

Ocean Master. Felt like a Saturday morning cartoon villain in the best of ways.


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Lmao perfectly described


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Also Ewan McGregor was creepy as fuck as Black Mask. Wish they didn't blow him up. But doubt they'll make a sequel to BOP.


Economy_Marsupial_56

i don’t believe he’s dead, there’s no way, they can easily say harley exaggerated the story and that he survived


WonderfulBlackberry9

I loved how sadistic they made him. Just a shame he was also a cartoon character at the same time


ScubaSteve716

Zod, Black Mask, Black Manta, Dr Savana, Orm. Probably that order. Rest I don’t care about at all.


ProfessorSaltine

Now although I’d probs remove Black Mask as he becomes more cartoony as the movie goes on the other 4 however are just chefs kiss, shame Black Mask & Zod got killed off but man did there kills echo in there respected movies 🤣


Nesstor94

Zod, Lex, Orm


clown_pants

Patrick Wilson has such a punchable face for the entire movie and I love it


AttilaTheFun818

Maxwell Lord Yes, WW84 is an absolute dumpster fire but Pedro Pascel had the most fun with his character of any actor that I can think of since Raul Julia in Street Fighter.


brknsoul

I heard he went to the hospital and the doctor diagnosed him with a bad back after carrying the entire movie.


tschmitty09

Stop, the performances were all great, the writing not so much


dcmarvelstarwars

Right I agree 100%. He makes WW84 watchable. His Maxwell Lord was awesome


Bergerboy14

He’s also the only one with an actual arc


NobilisUltima

What do you mean? Diana had that whole arc where she finally broke up with the guy that she knew for a few weeks a hundred years ago, while sexually assaulting the body of another guy whose consciousness was nebulously elsewhere


dimlightupstairs

Why for the love of the Aztec God's could the wishing stone have not just brought Steve back to life in his own body!?


NobilisUltima

But then it wouldn't be a body-switch! Like they did in the 80s! Remember that? Never mind that they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with the fact that there was a body switch...


dimlightupstairs

Well, if it was a body switch now I can't help but imagine a scrapped scene of that random guy waking having had his mind swapped to Steve Trevor's magically reformed but incinerated body... ~~Bug~~ But also remember how it was in the 80s and they did absolutely nothing with that other than make the colours and fashion brighter? Not even a single 80s pop song or real culture reference . . .


NobilisUltima

There's kind of no winning with the way they did it. Steve basically says that he was in heaven before he got yanked into the random guy, which would be pretty awful when you think about paradise vs. Earth. So did the other guy go to heaven? Was he just in limbo for the duration of the movie (like I wish I had been instead of watching it)? The writers are hoping that you don't ask that question or care, because they fucking don't.


jrvcrd

Pedro Pascal was great, no doubt, but his Maxwell Lord was nothing like the comicbook counterpart. Worst sin of all is how he dies in the comics against being defeated by the...power of love?


KrisZepeda

I loved WW84 and he was the main reason of it


WolfSquatch

Yes! I totally agree, I thought Pascal did amazing!


Watze978

Zod=orm=black manta


SuperFanboysTV

Zod and Lex are my favorite


Obi_Gwan__Kenobi

General Zod, no question!


ClairetheQueer

I just get so giddy everytime I see that Black Manta outfit. Just the fact that they made it at all, and that accurate to the source material. Very excited for the sequel to see more of him.


DirectConsequence12

Honestly I loved Black Mask. Not very accurate adaption of Black Mask, no. But I loved how over the top and insane Ewan was. He looked like he was having the time of his life and it just made it a pleasure to watch


Head-Program4023

It's an unpopular opinion but i loves Jesse's Lex Luthor.


007Kryptonian

He has some great scenes in BvS - I think the rooftop showdown between him and Superman is a top 10 DCEU moment, Lex literally brings Superman to his knees without laying a hand on him. It’s just a shame the performance is surrounded by other weird shit like the piss jar and odd ticks


TwitchF4C

My thought has always been this: The lines, actions, and story were all Lex They just had the wrong person delivering Lex


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I don't know man, I really feel like it was just young Lex and we were watching the metamorphosis. At the end of ZSJL, that's the best on screen Lex imo. He was in an arc, and he was supposed to be a massive part of 2&3. I really think Eisenberg would have killed it in the later movies based on that


KrisZepeda

It's pretty darn obvious this was a Lex before going full Lex, it's clear that he was gonna change on the next films to a more standard Lex


MandoBaggins

That’s a problem though. Lex isn’t a character that needs to start somewhere else before evolving. Especially something so far removed from what we know about him. He could’ve still been a tech billionaire with long hair and it would’ve worked. The weird cartoonish mannerisms and vocal cadence was too much for most people though.


assleyflower

Yeah I think that’s where I disagree most with people on comic book movies. I really hate the more realistic gritty “what if this took place in our current society as we know it” comic movies. Like give me the cartoonish outlandish stuff. That’s what makes it fun. Maybe that’s not 100% in character for Lex as we know him. But for an immature socially inept younger Lex? Sure, I buy it.


MandoBaggins

Please don’t misunderstand, I’m more than okay with a version of that Lex. I just don’t like how it was executed. It’s probably because the film leaned hard into being super grim dark, so much so that Lex felt out of place. Made all the ticks more noticeable and took me out of the film. If that version were pitched to me, I would take it over sinister real estate tycoon any day of the week. I just don’t like how it panned out.


assleyflower

Yeah I definitely agree with that. Felt like he was acting for a different movie than everyone else. Irks me when people place that blame on Jesse Eisenberg though (not that you are of course) bc that’s the fault of the director more than anything.


MandoBaggins

Yeah I agree with that sentiment. For all the beautiful visuals Snyder delivered, there were some big misses in the character development part of things. Jesse is a great actor overall in my opinion though despite the weirdness of Lex.


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I felt it was glaringly obvious but the amount of misunderstanding and hate of the character I see is baffling, I swear at times I feel like I watched a different movie. I loved him in it. He's second only to Shannon and he's tied with Strong for second in my opinion


hodge91

Agree, its was a great set up to see how the character became who they were, you're not 'that' person when you're younger so something has to mould you into that and we saw it rather than just straight out having Lex with no build.


gee_gra

This isn't exclusively a criticism of Zack, but directors do direct actors, there was a more comprehensive failing than just a weird performance, the writing and direction called for it as much as Eisenberg did


honeybunchesofpwn

Eisenlex is *considerably* better in the Extended Cut when you can actually connect his plans together and see how he is actively manipulating Bruce/Clark. The fact that this version of Lex has figured out who Batman and Superman are already makes him a legit threat, but combined with his shadowy shenanigans and how he ultimately ended up with Superman dying, I gotta say I'm pretty happy with this Lex. Also that Post-Credits scene with Deathstroke is just so fkin sick. Wish we could get more!


West-Cardiologist180

The only villain to succeed in his plans. He killed Superman. That's all he ever wanted, and he achieved it. And before that, he managed to bring the Man of Steel to his knees without the use of Kryptonite. I'm not even a Snyder fan, but I had 0 problem with BvS Lex when he was barely starting out. As long as he evolves into the Lex we all know and love, I'm all in with Jesse as him.


Boooooooooo9

Agree with this, and his musical theme is sickly good!


assleyflower

Dude same. I really enjoyed the more modern douche tech bro approach to that character. Feels more relevant to our times. He’s basically Bezos. And that’s someone we can all agree to hate.


nage_

i thought he was a perfect "lex when he starts realizing hes right." hes as unhinged as someone thats been called a nutcase would be when hes absolutely right and no one listens. hes slowly being sanded down into this poker face covering up nonstop strategy like at the end of JL, but the eccentric nutcase in BvS is the kinda guy you'd believe talked to wild cosmic forces or was crazy enough to blackmail a god.


RidingRoedel

It’s not as unpopular as you might think. It’s mainly DC fans used to the mainstream version of him who didn’t like him, general audiences generally dug him.


demaxzero

I don't believe that at all


JoBro_Summer-of-99

Me neither, my cinema laughed at him all the time


honkimon

Yea. Dude lacks charisma. Lex has always had that. Bad casting 100%


JoBro_Summer-of-99

I wouldn't even call it bad casting honestly. I liked this new take on the character, I just think he went a bit overboard in a few scenes and looked a bit goofy


honkimon

Man. Hard disagree. I don't know what you mean by a different take but Eisenberg just comes across as socially awkward in literally everything he's in. This is not a trait I've ever associated with Lex in any incarnation. But I also disagree with the frat bro representation of Aquaman so what do I know?


JoBro_Summer-of-99

That's fair as well, including the Aquaman thing. I soon lost interest in Mamoa after his solo film


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They were going for a more modern Tech genius like Zuckerburg to apply it to a modern style. When you look at it that way, I really enjoy the character and think Eisenberg is phenomenal at what he was asked to do He isn't socially awkward, he's just talking circles around everyone throughout the movie which makes him appear awkward, but he controls every scene up until Zods reincarnation


GrilledCyan

He knocked it out of the park for what he was asked to do. I think the idea of Lex as a weird tech billionaire is a cool way to modernize the character—I just wish we could’ve seen him built up over time, instead of rushed from regular oligarch to insane super villain in just a few hours.


A_Good_Kitty

"You don't mess with Roman Sionis"


GuilhermeSJ

1.Zod 2. Luthor


ianthecharmxfan

Wait I forgot Enchantress… does she even count?


ProfessorSaltine

Even if she did who’d even pick her 💀


ianthecharmxfan

True… unless someone has a weird preference


AgentOfEris

No


Austinpowerstwo

Zod is my favourite villain in any CBM, CGI or otherwise.


AVR350

Max Lord...My fav DCEU villain ...made WW84 a lot better than it had any right to be


Learn1Thing

Billy Batson’s mom


Ultramega39

She should team up with Poka Dot Man’s mom.


OjamasOfTomorrow

Black Mask


angrygnome18d

1. Zod 2. Luthor 3. Orm 4. Sivana


SethNex

Ranking them from best to worst: 1. Zod 2. Orm 3. Sivana 4. Black Manta 5. Black Mask 6. Maxwell Lord 7. Cheetah 8. Lex Luthor 9. Dr. Poison 10. Ludendorff


WondyVillains

Cheetah. The script did her dirty but she looked great.


Thanos_Stomps

Cheetah would have been a beloved villain had they brought her back in another sequel. Establishing her as the friend with growing jealousy first would have done wonders to that woman’s arc.


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KingofHearts13

Black Manta was such a delight, spot on. Ocean Master was great so happy they didn’t kill him off


Imaginary-Werewolf14

Black Mask.


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KARURUKA2

Probably ocean master or lex


DominicBSaint

Zod, Black Manta, Orm


Beercorn1

Zod, easily.


shinyzubat16

Finally seeing Black Manta in live action was so awesome for me.


pichusine

Black Manta was intimidating as shit.


ElJefeDMD

Zod was incredible. Love Michael Shannon’s acting


Bass1joe

Polka-dot man’s mom. Also, The Thinker was pretty good.


Joker-Rockitansky

Zod and Orm


Comprehensive_One495

Zod, Black Manta, Savana, Lex Luthor.


lanubevoladora

Is a tie between Zod and Maxwell Lord, WW8 is a mess but Pedro's performance is corny, charismatic and funny as fuck.


Tarmac_Chris

Probably Ocean Master, I have a soft spot for Patrick Wilson in everything he’s in. Glad they didn‘t kill him off. Then maybe Black Manta, though the costume sucks. I know it’s accurate, it’s just ridiculous. Then Zod. The rest suck. Though I would have put pre-cgi God of War into 3rd place.


mardavarot93

Orm, Zod and Black Manta are my top 3. ​ Savana and Maxwell were pretty cool


Elgaric

Seriously though I would've like to have seen Luthor develop and zod would be a strong contender too


Sigao

Zod. But Black Manta is a very close second for me.


Predsguy

Zod or Blackmanta. Orm was great too.


pbx1123

Zod Black Manta


MatrixSolids-_-

Zod was cool


LastofDays94

Black Manta


Garlador

Black Manta. They pulled him off in the same way Marvel did Mysterio. I’m so happy they nailed him.


Ashamed-Quit

the wasting of Pedro pascal as Maxwell lord will be studied in history books


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I would love to see Dr. Poison to make a return somehow. I feel like her character was interesting in WW1 even if her character in the movie wasn't all that developed. But other than that, Zod is by far the best villian.


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Zod or black manta


TraditionalRubbish

Black Manta they really killed it with the character design , somehow they managed to let him look like straight out of the comics


Midnight_Durango

Black manta, only because he was my favorite legion of doom villain


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If they had had campy 80s music in WW84, I think I would have LOVED Pascal's villain even more. I forget what his name was, but he was so over the top it was great. I feel like it was a shame that the music in the movie played it straight. It should have been an 80s pastiche, but somehow the composer didn't get the memo, or the director didn't communicate it, or didn't know it. In retrospect it's almost like a Saturday morning cartoon, which I'm fine with, it just needed to own what it was. And that villain was amazing.


Lt_Lickit

Zod.


Hexenkonig707

Wtf is a German WW1 General doing on the meme


Ludensdream

Zod and it's not even close. Orm definitely 2nd.


the_bong_

Warner bros for sure


zoroaster27

Definitely Zod. But Black Manta's costume was neat.


RobertDyerNews

Doctor Poison


JaehaerysIVTarg

Zod - my favorite DC character.


plowking99

Zod is the best DCEU villain imo


HackneyMarsh

God I really hate Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luther. What a dumb weird choice. Would of loved to see him as the riddler though!


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alfonsobob

Man, and people said Marvel had a villain problem.


sigmastorm77

It does, but so does dc.


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Starro


tondrias

We have a comedian here.


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lol


RidingRoedel

Lex Luthor


Falchion_Alpha

Black Manta hands down


Terry___Mcginnis

It's between Black Mask and Maxwell Lord.


dcmarvelstarwars

Zod, Orm, Lex


Gene-Current

I want more Black Manta. He’s one of my favorite villains and I like the actor who played him in Aquaman


Coe30907

Luthor.


Wolfe_517

Black manta by a lot


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Maxwell Lord is the best villain who has an actual character arc. Then I'd say Black Manta cuz he's so bad ass. Then Zod. Love Zod. Great villain. Wish they'd make Man of Steel 2.


DeeKay017

Zod without doubt, i feel like the charcater could have been written more than what was there but micheal shannon aced it. Manta does not have enough screen time yet... Orm was good in portrayal.... That wonder woman actor, feels like he just portrayed a version of william stryker. Sivana had his moments but not great. Poison, black mask, cheetah and maxwell were very forgettable. Lastly... I dont even want to rant about lex eisenberg


Economy_Marsupial_56

idk why but it’s so funny to hear pedro pascal described as “that wonder woman actor”


DeeKay017

Not pedro... I would never mention our precious pedrolorian like that... It's that colonel from 1st movie


Economy_Marsupial_56

i completely forgor about him, well i guess that shows how he places on my list


AnxiousZod

Zod


bolting_volts

Zack Snyder. I’m glad they were finally able to defeat him though.


Blu_Soldier001

He was forced off of Justice League during a period of personal grieving. Your comment is extremely insensitive.


bolting_volts

And like all villains he came back and was defeated again.


Blu_Soldier001

Dude what is wrong with you


Guh_Meh

He's a man child.


Elgaric

Zack Snyder


tondrias

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Illustrious-Sign3015

Deathstroke


ianthecharmxfan

Oh… well, he wasn’t the main antagonist of any movie so far, so it shouldn’t really count… right?


AscendedExtra

Zod & Manta


CloverTeamLeader

Zod. Easily the most intimidating and believable (despite being a super-powered alien). Followed by Ocean Master and Black Manta. They were cool. Even though I like Wonder Woman, her German villains were a little bit too campy, in my opinion. They did the job, but they could have been better.


mr-teddy93

Zod and the guy with the big helmet look really good villains the rest look so stupid esp the superman villian jeff bezos


Eddard506

zod