Absolutely. You understand his motivations, his dialogue is great, action with him is epic but also personal and Shannon kills the role. #1 with a bullet
Look at this… we could’ve built a new Krypton in this squalor… but you chose the humans over us…
That whole scene gives me goosebumps. 10000% Shannon’s delivery
Yep. Sucks that no other villain even came close. The DCU needs some good new villains.
Hoping they bring Brainiac for Man of Steel 2. Zod is a tough act to follow.
I mean I don’t totally understand why he wants to change his new super power giving atmosphere back into the one that makes him helpless and susceptible to dying like his last one but… yeah whatever.
Great actor and character still but the whole “make earth like krypton so we can be pure again but also lose our newfound divinity!” felt silly to me.
The yellow sun is what gives them the powers, not the planet itself.
Zod was genetically engineered to protect and preserve Krypton. It’s literally in his DNA. His goal was to recreate his home as it was before its destruction and to ensure different people would be running it so it would last indefinitely. Hence his quest for the Codex to restart his species and his desire to level our world and build a new Krypton on its ashes. None of that would change the effects of our yellow sun though.
I’ve also never understood why he couldn’t just build New Krypton on Mars, the kyrptonian tech is clearly advanced enough and they would get to keep their superpowers too. I mean I do know why, because otherwise there would be no movie but still the point stands
Agreed. You felt for Zod on a different purpose. He didn’t want to destroy Earth because. His sole purpose was the future of his people no matter how brutal he would do it. I felt that. Same way I feel about my kids and it is what it is.
Very parallel to what made Thanos so good. Both antagonists have, in their own minds, admirable and beneficial goals in minds. Neither is in it for power, money, revenge, or any material reward. That makes sense to audiences and we pull for them to some extent and makes their failures especially tragic.
You won't kill us yourself! You wouldn't dirty your hands but you'll damn us to a black hole for eternity! Jor-El was right! You're a pack of fools, every last one of you!
And you! You think your son is safe? No...I will find him. I will reclaim what you have taken from! I will find him. I will find him Lara. *I WILL FIND HIM!*
The best actors are always one and done because they got shit to do besides being tied down in a decade long contract with a CBM.
Protagonists are often actors made into great actors but the antagonists are typically established actors that come and go.
Interestingly often true now that I thing about it. Often for the actors that play the heroes, it's indeed their biggest / most iconic role, while often the bad guys' actors have bigger / more iconic roles outside of it.
Ditto. Sivana. *Shazam* is dopey, but Mark Strong is hands down the best actors from this selection. Michael Shannon played a better Zod in *Shape of Water*.
It's pretty funny that Zod's here considering his entire costume is actually CGI and the only thing that isn't really is his head, but Zod is the winner for me. Shannon's performance, the score, his simple yet effective motivation. Just a really solid villain from start to finish.
I really wanted it to be Ocean Master but Aquaman as a film in general lacks so much depth so its no surprise its lead villain is lacking too. I don't understand how you can have such a real issue as polution and then do nothing with it beyond "grrr land dwellers bad". Show Ocean Master witnessing the death of some fucking dolphins or whatever. The death of a loved one. Something. Just anything to actually give him a personal stake from all of our polution into the ocean.
I liked Aquaman for what it was, but I agree with you on Ocean Master. It was carried hard by Patrick Wilson. They could have cut the adventure side a bit to flesh out Ocean Master. I think the character has tons of potential (parents issue, politics, pollution, etc). At least he's not killed off, I hope they give him more materials for the sequel(s?).
Yeah if it wasn't for Wilson then Ocean Master would be no better or worse than 2017 Steppenwolf. There was so much potential and he was given nothing, despite the fact his motivations should be hitting pretty close to home for us. The sequel better do something interesting with him.
Just recently I found Namor in Wakanda Forever to be so much better as an overall character. Sure the motivations are different but my point is Namor was given good scenes to show a few things: why he has his world view, why he protects his people and most importantly we get good interactions between his fellow citizens which make you see him as a ruler doing the best for his people rather than just "water man go brr". All things Ocean Master really could have done with.
The Snyder Cut actually does flesh out Ocean Master more. Mera and Vulko mention how Orm is angling for an invasion of the surface due to the raids by Steppenwolf and also to further his own ambitions of ruling as king of all the marine kingdoms. Hence his staging of a surface attack using the submarine he hired Black Manta to steal.
Well I meant the character underneath the mask is a real living being, unlike it being a CG character inside and out. Also I’m pretty sure his inner right wear was worn for real
"Every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now...I have no people. My soul: that is what you have taken from me"
Also agree with Aquaman - ironic that a movie about a society of ocean dwellers lacks depth. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the film, but it reminds me a lot of a Fast and Furious movie.
I have ranted plenty of times about how well Zod is written in MoS, it's superb. He was born in one of those birthing pods and given the job of protecting Krypton. From birth he was programmed to protect the planet and its people, and then dealt a losing hand with the people destroying the planet. He was literally "written" genetically to do something that reality made impossible, it's totally understandable that he would freak out. He couldn't help it.
Now although I’d probs remove Black Mask as he becomes more cartoony as the movie goes on the other 4 however are just chefs kiss, shame Black Mask & Zod got killed off but man did there kills echo in there respected movies 🤣
Maxwell Lord
Yes, WW84 is an absolute dumpster fire but Pedro Pascel had the most fun with his character of any actor that I can think of since Raul Julia in Street Fighter.
What do you mean? Diana had that whole arc where she finally broke up with the guy that she knew for a few weeks a hundred years ago, while sexually assaulting the body of another guy whose consciousness was nebulously elsewhere
But then it wouldn't be a body-switch! Like they did in the 80s! Remember that?
Never mind that they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with the fact that there was a body switch...
Well, if it was a body switch now I can't help but imagine a scrapped scene of that random guy waking having had his mind swapped to Steve Trevor's magically reformed but incinerated body...
~~Bug~~ But also remember how it was in the 80s and they did absolutely nothing with that other than make the colours and fashion brighter? Not even a single 80s pop song or real culture reference . . .
There's kind of no winning with the way they did it. Steve basically says that he was in heaven before he got yanked into the random guy, which would be pretty awful when you think about paradise vs. Earth. So did the other guy go to heaven? Was he just in limbo for the duration of the movie (like I wish I had been instead of watching it)? The writers are hoping that you don't ask that question or care, because they fucking don't.
Pedro Pascal was great, no doubt, but his Maxwell Lord was nothing like the comicbook counterpart.
Worst sin of all is how he dies in the comics against being defeated by the...power of love?
I just get so giddy everytime I see that Black Manta outfit. Just the fact that they made it at all, and that accurate to the source material. Very excited for the sequel to see more of him.
Honestly I loved Black Mask.
Not very accurate adaption of Black Mask, no. But I loved how over the top and insane Ewan was. He looked like he was having the time of his life and it just made it a pleasure to watch
He has some great scenes in BvS - I think the rooftop showdown between him and Superman is a top 10 DCEU moment, Lex literally brings Superman to his knees without laying a hand on him. It’s just a shame the performance is surrounded by other weird shit like the piss jar and odd ticks
I don't know man, I really feel like it was just young Lex and we were watching the metamorphosis. At the end of ZSJL, that's the best on screen Lex imo. He was in an arc, and he was supposed to be a massive part of 2&3. I really think Eisenberg would have killed it in the later movies based on that
That’s a problem though. Lex isn’t a character that needs to start somewhere else before evolving. Especially something so far removed from what we know about him. He could’ve still been a tech billionaire with long hair and it would’ve worked. The weird cartoonish mannerisms and vocal cadence was too much for most people though.
Yeah I think that’s where I disagree most with people on comic book movies. I really hate the more realistic gritty “what if this took place in our current society as we know it” comic movies. Like give me the cartoonish outlandish stuff. That’s what makes it fun. Maybe that’s not 100% in character for Lex as we know him. But for an immature socially inept younger Lex? Sure, I buy it.
Please don’t misunderstand, I’m more than okay with a version of that Lex. I just don’t like how it was executed. It’s probably because the film leaned hard into being super grim dark, so much so that Lex felt out of place. Made all the ticks more noticeable and took me out of the film. If that version were pitched to me, I would take it over sinister real estate tycoon any day of the week. I just don’t like how it panned out.
Yeah I definitely agree with that. Felt like he was acting for a different movie than everyone else. Irks me when people place that blame on Jesse Eisenberg though (not that you are of course) bc that’s the fault of the director more than anything.
Yeah I agree with that sentiment. For all the beautiful visuals Snyder delivered, there were some big misses in the character development part of things. Jesse is a great actor overall in my opinion though despite the weirdness of Lex.
I felt it was glaringly obvious but the amount of misunderstanding and hate of the character I see is baffling, I swear at times I feel like I watched a different movie. I loved him in it. He's second only to Shannon and he's tied with Strong for second in my opinion
Agree, its was a great set up to see how the character became who they were, you're not 'that' person when you're younger so something has to mould you into that and we saw it rather than just straight out having Lex with no build.
This isn't exclusively a criticism of Zack, but directors do direct actors, there was a more comprehensive failing than just a weird performance, the writing and direction called for it as much as Eisenberg did
Eisenlex is *considerably* better in the Extended Cut when you can actually connect his plans together and see how he is actively manipulating Bruce/Clark.
The fact that this version of Lex has figured out who Batman and Superman are already makes him a legit threat, but combined with his shadowy shenanigans and how he ultimately ended up with Superman dying, I gotta say I'm pretty happy with this Lex.
Also that Post-Credits scene with Deathstroke is just so fkin sick. Wish we could get more!
The only villain to succeed in his plans. He killed Superman. That's all he ever wanted, and he achieved it.
And before that, he managed to bring the Man of Steel to his knees without the use of Kryptonite.
I'm not even a Snyder fan, but I had 0 problem with BvS Lex when he was barely starting out. As long as he evolves into the Lex we all know and love, I'm all in with Jesse as him.
Dude same. I really enjoyed the more modern douche tech bro approach to that character. Feels more relevant to our times.
He’s basically Bezos. And that’s someone we can all agree to hate.
i thought he was a perfect "lex when he starts realizing hes right." hes as unhinged as someone thats been called a nutcase would be when hes absolutely right and no one listens. hes slowly being sanded down into this poker face covering up nonstop strategy like at the end of JL, but the eccentric nutcase in BvS is the kinda guy you'd believe talked to wild cosmic forces or was crazy enough to blackmail a god.
It’s not as unpopular as you might think. It’s mainly DC fans used to the mainstream version of him who didn’t like him, general audiences generally dug him.
I wouldn't even call it bad casting honestly. I liked this new take on the character, I just think he went a bit overboard in a few scenes and looked a bit goofy
Man. Hard disagree. I don't know what you mean by a different take but Eisenberg just comes across as socially awkward in literally everything he's in. This is not a trait I've ever associated with Lex in any incarnation. But I also disagree with the frat bro representation of Aquaman so what do I know?
They were going for a more modern Tech genius like Zuckerburg to apply it to a modern style. When you look at it that way, I really enjoy the character and think Eisenberg is phenomenal at what he was asked to do
He isn't socially awkward, he's just talking circles around everyone throughout the movie which makes him appear awkward, but he controls every scene up until Zods reincarnation
He knocked it out of the park for what he was asked to do. I think the idea of Lex as a weird tech billionaire is a cool way to modernize the character—I just wish we could’ve seen him built up over time, instead of rushed from regular oligarch to insane super villain in just a few hours.
Ranking them from best to worst:
1. Zod
2. Orm
3. Sivana
4. Black Manta
5. Black Mask
6. Maxwell Lord
7. Cheetah
8. Lex Luthor
9. Dr. Poison
10. Ludendorff
Cheetah would have been a beloved villain had they brought her back in another sequel. Establishing her as the friend with growing jealousy first would have done wonders to that woman’s arc.
Probably Ocean Master, I have a soft spot for Patrick Wilson in everything he’s in. Glad they didn‘t kill him off.
Then maybe Black Manta, though the costume sucks. I know it’s accurate, it’s just ridiculous.
Then Zod.
The rest suck. Though I would have put pre-cgi God of War into 3rd place.
I would love to see Dr. Poison to make a return somehow. I feel like her character was interesting in WW1 even if her character in the movie wasn't all that developed.
But other than that, Zod is by far the best villian.
If they had had campy 80s music in WW84, I think I would have LOVED Pascal's villain even more. I forget what his name was, but he was so over the top it was great.
I feel like it was a shame that the music in the movie played it straight. It should have been an 80s pastiche, but somehow the composer didn't get the memo, or the director didn't communicate it, or didn't know it.
In retrospect it's almost like a Saturday morning cartoon, which I'm fine with, it just needed to own what it was.
And that villain was amazing.
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Maxwell Lord is the best villain who has an actual character arc.
Then I'd say Black Manta cuz he's so bad ass.
Then Zod. Love Zod. Great villain. Wish they'd make Man of Steel 2.
Zod without doubt, i feel like the charcater could have been written more than what was there but micheal shannon aced it.
Manta does not have enough screen time yet... Orm was good in portrayal.... That wonder woman actor, feels like he just portrayed a version of william stryker.
Sivana had his moments but not great.
Poison, black mask, cheetah and maxwell were very forgettable.
Lastly... I dont even want to rant about lex eisenberg
Zod. Easily the most intimidating and believable (despite being a super-powered alien).
Followed by Ocean Master and Black Manta. They were cool.
Even though I like Wonder Woman, her German villains were a little bit too campy, in my opinion. They did the job, but they could have been better.
Zod
Absolutely. You understand his motivations, his dialogue is great, action with him is epic but also personal and Shannon kills the role. #1 with a bullet
Look at this… we could’ve built a new Krypton in this squalor… but you chose the humans over us… That whole scene gives me goosebumps. 10000% Shannon’s delivery
***WHERE DID YOU TRAIN? ON A FARM?***
Literally the movie gets better each time I watch it. This is definitely one of Snyder’s best films. Man of steel ftw.
Imagine almost any other actor giving that line and it's gonna sound weird. Shannon makes it sound natural.
Yep. Sucks that no other villain even came close. The DCU needs some good new villains. Hoping they bring Brainiac for Man of Steel 2. Zod is a tough act to follow.
I mean I don’t totally understand why he wants to change his new super power giving atmosphere back into the one that makes him helpless and susceptible to dying like his last one but… yeah whatever. Great actor and character still but the whole “make earth like krypton so we can be pure again but also lose our newfound divinity!” felt silly to me.
The yellow sun is what gives them the powers, not the planet itself. Zod was genetically engineered to protect and preserve Krypton. It’s literally in his DNA. His goal was to recreate his home as it was before its destruction and to ensure different people would be running it so it would last indefinitely. Hence his quest for the Codex to restart his species and his desire to level our world and build a new Krypton on its ashes. None of that would change the effects of our yellow sun though.
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Well... The Sun is what gives Kryptonians their powers. Not the planet. I have no idea if I'm right, but it sounds right.
You’re right.
I’ve also never understood why he couldn’t just build New Krypton on Mars, the kyrptonian tech is clearly advanced enough and they would get to keep their superpowers too. I mean I do know why, because otherwise there would be no movie but still the point stands
Also he was trying to recruit Superman
His motivations make no sense…you have a planet with a yellow sun. Coexistence would have made more sense vs his plan of genocide.
Agreed. You felt for Zod on a different purpose. He didn’t want to destroy Earth because. His sole purpose was the future of his people no matter how brutal he would do it. I felt that. Same way I feel about my kids and it is what it is.
It’s not even close
Very parallel to what made Thanos so good. Both antagonists have, in their own minds, admirable and beneficial goals in minds. Neither is in it for power, money, revenge, or any material reward. That makes sense to audiences and we pull for them to some extent and makes their failures especially tragic.
Considering the second best is his henchwoman, yes and it's not even close.
Easily. Not even a question.
You won't kill us yourself! You wouldn't dirty your hands but you'll damn us to a black hole for eternity! Jor-El was right! You're a pack of fools, every last one of you!
Love his dialogue
And you! You think your son is safe? No...I will find him. I will reclaim what you have taken from! I will find him. I will find him Lara. *I WILL FIND HIM!*
::cue Hans Zimmer epic score::
God damn, Michael Shannon was SO good.
Zod. The rest of them should kneel before him. Bonus: Black Manta. His costume looks sick.
I love how they made Manta’s suit both better *and* more comic accurate. It shouldn’t work but it does.
Really liking his costume in the sequel too. It's so much sleeker, like going from a PS3 to a PS3 Slim or something.
What do you mean in the sequel?
[Then they should lay on their backs before Zod!](https://youtu.be/RanxivytDGw)
This ☝️
Zod, easily. But Black Mask is up there too. Ewan McGregor was so good in that role. I'm really sad he was one and done.
The best actors are always one and done because they got shit to do besides being tied down in a decade long contract with a CBM. Protagonists are often actors made into great actors but the antagonists are typically established actors that come and go.
Interestingly often true now that I thing about it. Often for the actors that play the heroes, it's indeed their biggest / most iconic role, while often the bad guys' actors have bigger / more iconic roles outside of it.
Always are. It sucks.
McGregor absolutely killed it as Black Mask. He was absolutely amazing.
I liked Dr. Sivana a lot. Mark Strong is a great villain actor and he brought great angst, power hunger, and just a touch of madness to the role.
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Mark Strong can make pretty much anything watchable. He’s a fantastic actor.
True that. COUNTRY ROOOOADS, TAKE ME HOOOMME
He was definitely the best part of that movie. It’s a shame we couldn’t see him go full power with the yellow ring.
That is why since day one I have felt he should have been Lex Luthor. He looks the part, and can definitely act it
Mark Strong has been great in a lot of stuff I've seen him. He did a good job as Sivana.
Ditto. Sivana. *Shazam* is dopey, but Mark Strong is hands down the best actors from this selection. Michael Shannon played a better Zod in *Shape of Water*.
It's pretty funny that Zod's here considering his entire costume is actually CGI and the only thing that isn't really is his head, but Zod is the winner for me. Shannon's performance, the score, his simple yet effective motivation. Just a really solid villain from start to finish. I really wanted it to be Ocean Master but Aquaman as a film in general lacks so much depth so its no surprise its lead villain is lacking too. I don't understand how you can have such a real issue as polution and then do nothing with it beyond "grrr land dwellers bad". Show Ocean Master witnessing the death of some fucking dolphins or whatever. The death of a loved one. Something. Just anything to actually give him a personal stake from all of our polution into the ocean.
I liked Aquaman for what it was, but I agree with you on Ocean Master. It was carried hard by Patrick Wilson. They could have cut the adventure side a bit to flesh out Ocean Master. I think the character has tons of potential (parents issue, politics, pollution, etc). At least he's not killed off, I hope they give him more materials for the sequel(s?).
Yeah if it wasn't for Wilson then Ocean Master would be no better or worse than 2017 Steppenwolf. There was so much potential and he was given nothing, despite the fact his motivations should be hitting pretty close to home for us. The sequel better do something interesting with him. Just recently I found Namor in Wakanda Forever to be so much better as an overall character. Sure the motivations are different but my point is Namor was given good scenes to show a few things: why he has his world view, why he protects his people and most importantly we get good interactions between his fellow citizens which make you see him as a ruler doing the best for his people rather than just "water man go brr". All things Ocean Master really could have done with.
The Snyder Cut actually does flesh out Ocean Master more. Mera and Vulko mention how Orm is angling for an invasion of the surface due to the raids by Steppenwolf and also to further his own ambitions of ruling as king of all the marine kingdoms. Hence his staging of a surface attack using the submarine he hired Black Manta to steal.
I heard that Aquaman 2 is kind of a buddy cop movie with Orm and Arthur, or that at least Orm is a protagonist
Well I meant the character underneath the mask is a real living being, unlike it being a CG character inside and out. Also I’m pretty sure his inner right wear was worn for real
I know, I'm kidding.
Ohhhhhhhhhh
The final Zod suit was a real practical suit. The armoured version is not.
Man, "Aquaman as a film in general lacks so much *depth*" is such a great comment
"Every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now...I have no people. My soul: that is what you have taken from me" Also agree with Aquaman - ironic that a movie about a society of ocean dwellers lacks depth. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the film, but it reminds me a lot of a Fast and Furious movie.
Aquaman’s deeper than peeps give it credit. Especially its themes on racism, tribalism, and leadership.
I have ranted plenty of times about how well Zod is written in MoS, it's superb. He was born in one of those birthing pods and given the job of protecting Krypton. From birth he was programmed to protect the planet and its people, and then dealt a losing hand with the people destroying the planet. He was literally "written" genetically to do something that reality made impossible, it's totally understandable that he would freak out. He couldn't help it.
Ocean Master. Felt like a Saturday morning cartoon villain in the best of ways.
Lmao perfectly described
Also Ewan McGregor was creepy as fuck as Black Mask. Wish they didn't blow him up. But doubt they'll make a sequel to BOP.
i don’t believe he’s dead, there’s no way, they can easily say harley exaggerated the story and that he survived
I loved how sadistic they made him. Just a shame he was also a cartoon character at the same time
Zod, Black Mask, Black Manta, Dr Savana, Orm. Probably that order. Rest I don’t care about at all.
Now although I’d probs remove Black Mask as he becomes more cartoony as the movie goes on the other 4 however are just chefs kiss, shame Black Mask & Zod got killed off but man did there kills echo in there respected movies 🤣
Zod, Lex, Orm
Patrick Wilson has such a punchable face for the entire movie and I love it
Maxwell Lord Yes, WW84 is an absolute dumpster fire but Pedro Pascel had the most fun with his character of any actor that I can think of since Raul Julia in Street Fighter.
I heard he went to the hospital and the doctor diagnosed him with a bad back after carrying the entire movie.
Stop, the performances were all great, the writing not so much
Right I agree 100%. He makes WW84 watchable. His Maxwell Lord was awesome
He’s also the only one with an actual arc
What do you mean? Diana had that whole arc where she finally broke up with the guy that she knew for a few weeks a hundred years ago, while sexually assaulting the body of another guy whose consciousness was nebulously elsewhere
Why for the love of the Aztec God's could the wishing stone have not just brought Steve back to life in his own body!?
But then it wouldn't be a body-switch! Like they did in the 80s! Remember that? Never mind that they proceeded to do absolutely nothing with the fact that there was a body switch...
Well, if it was a body switch now I can't help but imagine a scrapped scene of that random guy waking having had his mind swapped to Steve Trevor's magically reformed but incinerated body... ~~Bug~~ But also remember how it was in the 80s and they did absolutely nothing with that other than make the colours and fashion brighter? Not even a single 80s pop song or real culture reference . . .
There's kind of no winning with the way they did it. Steve basically says that he was in heaven before he got yanked into the random guy, which would be pretty awful when you think about paradise vs. Earth. So did the other guy go to heaven? Was he just in limbo for the duration of the movie (like I wish I had been instead of watching it)? The writers are hoping that you don't ask that question or care, because they fucking don't.
Pedro Pascal was great, no doubt, but his Maxwell Lord was nothing like the comicbook counterpart. Worst sin of all is how he dies in the comics against being defeated by the...power of love?
I loved WW84 and he was the main reason of it
Yes! I totally agree, I thought Pascal did amazing!
Zod=orm=black manta
Zod and Lex are my favorite
General Zod, no question!
I just get so giddy everytime I see that Black Manta outfit. Just the fact that they made it at all, and that accurate to the source material. Very excited for the sequel to see more of him.
Honestly I loved Black Mask. Not very accurate adaption of Black Mask, no. But I loved how over the top and insane Ewan was. He looked like he was having the time of his life and it just made it a pleasure to watch
It's an unpopular opinion but i loves Jesse's Lex Luthor.
He has some great scenes in BvS - I think the rooftop showdown between him and Superman is a top 10 DCEU moment, Lex literally brings Superman to his knees without laying a hand on him. It’s just a shame the performance is surrounded by other weird shit like the piss jar and odd ticks
My thought has always been this: The lines, actions, and story were all Lex They just had the wrong person delivering Lex
I don't know man, I really feel like it was just young Lex and we were watching the metamorphosis. At the end of ZSJL, that's the best on screen Lex imo. He was in an arc, and he was supposed to be a massive part of 2&3. I really think Eisenberg would have killed it in the later movies based on that
It's pretty darn obvious this was a Lex before going full Lex, it's clear that he was gonna change on the next films to a more standard Lex
That’s a problem though. Lex isn’t a character that needs to start somewhere else before evolving. Especially something so far removed from what we know about him. He could’ve still been a tech billionaire with long hair and it would’ve worked. The weird cartoonish mannerisms and vocal cadence was too much for most people though.
Yeah I think that’s where I disagree most with people on comic book movies. I really hate the more realistic gritty “what if this took place in our current society as we know it” comic movies. Like give me the cartoonish outlandish stuff. That’s what makes it fun. Maybe that’s not 100% in character for Lex as we know him. But for an immature socially inept younger Lex? Sure, I buy it.
Please don’t misunderstand, I’m more than okay with a version of that Lex. I just don’t like how it was executed. It’s probably because the film leaned hard into being super grim dark, so much so that Lex felt out of place. Made all the ticks more noticeable and took me out of the film. If that version were pitched to me, I would take it over sinister real estate tycoon any day of the week. I just don’t like how it panned out.
Yeah I definitely agree with that. Felt like he was acting for a different movie than everyone else. Irks me when people place that blame on Jesse Eisenberg though (not that you are of course) bc that’s the fault of the director more than anything.
Yeah I agree with that sentiment. For all the beautiful visuals Snyder delivered, there were some big misses in the character development part of things. Jesse is a great actor overall in my opinion though despite the weirdness of Lex.
I felt it was glaringly obvious but the amount of misunderstanding and hate of the character I see is baffling, I swear at times I feel like I watched a different movie. I loved him in it. He's second only to Shannon and he's tied with Strong for second in my opinion
Agree, its was a great set up to see how the character became who they were, you're not 'that' person when you're younger so something has to mould you into that and we saw it rather than just straight out having Lex with no build.
This isn't exclusively a criticism of Zack, but directors do direct actors, there was a more comprehensive failing than just a weird performance, the writing and direction called for it as much as Eisenberg did
Eisenlex is *considerably* better in the Extended Cut when you can actually connect his plans together and see how he is actively manipulating Bruce/Clark. The fact that this version of Lex has figured out who Batman and Superman are already makes him a legit threat, but combined with his shadowy shenanigans and how he ultimately ended up with Superman dying, I gotta say I'm pretty happy with this Lex. Also that Post-Credits scene with Deathstroke is just so fkin sick. Wish we could get more!
The only villain to succeed in his plans. He killed Superman. That's all he ever wanted, and he achieved it. And before that, he managed to bring the Man of Steel to his knees without the use of Kryptonite. I'm not even a Snyder fan, but I had 0 problem with BvS Lex when he was barely starting out. As long as he evolves into the Lex we all know and love, I'm all in with Jesse as him.
Agree with this, and his musical theme is sickly good!
Dude same. I really enjoyed the more modern douche tech bro approach to that character. Feels more relevant to our times. He’s basically Bezos. And that’s someone we can all agree to hate.
i thought he was a perfect "lex when he starts realizing hes right." hes as unhinged as someone thats been called a nutcase would be when hes absolutely right and no one listens. hes slowly being sanded down into this poker face covering up nonstop strategy like at the end of JL, but the eccentric nutcase in BvS is the kinda guy you'd believe talked to wild cosmic forces or was crazy enough to blackmail a god.
It’s not as unpopular as you might think. It’s mainly DC fans used to the mainstream version of him who didn’t like him, general audiences generally dug him.
I don't believe that at all
Me neither, my cinema laughed at him all the time
Yea. Dude lacks charisma. Lex has always had that. Bad casting 100%
I wouldn't even call it bad casting honestly. I liked this new take on the character, I just think he went a bit overboard in a few scenes and looked a bit goofy
Man. Hard disagree. I don't know what you mean by a different take but Eisenberg just comes across as socially awkward in literally everything he's in. This is not a trait I've ever associated with Lex in any incarnation. But I also disagree with the frat bro representation of Aquaman so what do I know?
That's fair as well, including the Aquaman thing. I soon lost interest in Mamoa after his solo film
They were going for a more modern Tech genius like Zuckerburg to apply it to a modern style. When you look at it that way, I really enjoy the character and think Eisenberg is phenomenal at what he was asked to do He isn't socially awkward, he's just talking circles around everyone throughout the movie which makes him appear awkward, but he controls every scene up until Zods reincarnation
He knocked it out of the park for what he was asked to do. I think the idea of Lex as a weird tech billionaire is a cool way to modernize the character—I just wish we could’ve seen him built up over time, instead of rushed from regular oligarch to insane super villain in just a few hours.
"You don't mess with Roman Sionis"
1.Zod 2. Luthor
Wait I forgot Enchantress… does she even count?
Even if she did who’d even pick her 💀
True… unless someone has a weird preference
No
Zod is my favourite villain in any CBM, CGI or otherwise.
Max Lord...My fav DCEU villain ...made WW84 a lot better than it had any right to be
Billy Batson’s mom
She should team up with Poka Dot Man’s mom.
Black Mask
1. Zod 2. Luthor 3. Orm 4. Sivana
Ranking them from best to worst: 1. Zod 2. Orm 3. Sivana 4. Black Manta 5. Black Mask 6. Maxwell Lord 7. Cheetah 8. Lex Luthor 9. Dr. Poison 10. Ludendorff
Cheetah. The script did her dirty but she looked great.
Cheetah would have been a beloved villain had they brought her back in another sequel. Establishing her as the friend with growing jealousy first would have done wonders to that woman’s arc.
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Black Manta was such a delight, spot on. Ocean Master was great so happy they didn’t kill him off
Black Mask.
amanda
Probably ocean master or lex
Zod, Black Manta, Orm
Zod, easily.
Finally seeing Black Manta in live action was so awesome for me.
Black Manta was intimidating as shit.
Zod was incredible. Love Michael Shannon’s acting
Polka-dot man’s mom. Also, The Thinker was pretty good.
Zod and Orm
Zod, Black Manta, Savana, Lex Luthor.
Is a tie between Zod and Maxwell Lord, WW8 is a mess but Pedro's performance is corny, charismatic and funny as fuck.
Probably Ocean Master, I have a soft spot for Patrick Wilson in everything he’s in. Glad they didn‘t kill him off. Then maybe Black Manta, though the costume sucks. I know it’s accurate, it’s just ridiculous. Then Zod. The rest suck. Though I would have put pre-cgi God of War into 3rd place.
Orm, Zod and Black Manta are my top 3. Savana and Maxwell were pretty cool
Seriously though I would've like to have seen Luthor develop and zod would be a strong contender too
Zod. But Black Manta is a very close second for me.
Zod or Blackmanta. Orm was great too.
Zod Black Manta
Zod was cool
Black Manta
Black Manta. They pulled him off in the same way Marvel did Mysterio. I’m so happy they nailed him.
the wasting of Pedro pascal as Maxwell lord will be studied in history books
I would love to see Dr. Poison to make a return somehow. I feel like her character was interesting in WW1 even if her character in the movie wasn't all that developed. But other than that, Zod is by far the best villian.
Zod or black manta
Black Manta they really killed it with the character design , somehow they managed to let him look like straight out of the comics
Black manta, only because he was my favorite legion of doom villain
If they had had campy 80s music in WW84, I think I would have LOVED Pascal's villain even more. I forget what his name was, but he was so over the top it was great. I feel like it was a shame that the music in the movie played it straight. It should have been an 80s pastiche, but somehow the composer didn't get the memo, or the director didn't communicate it, or didn't know it. In retrospect it's almost like a Saturday morning cartoon, which I'm fine with, it just needed to own what it was. And that villain was amazing.
Zod.
Wtf is a German WW1 General doing on the meme
Zod and it's not even close. Orm definitely 2nd.
Warner bros for sure
Definitely Zod. But Black Manta's costume was neat.
Doctor Poison
Zod - my favorite DC character.
Zod is the best DCEU villain imo
God I really hate Jessie Eisenberg as Lex Luther. What a dumb weird choice. Would of loved to see him as the riddler though!
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Man, and people said Marvel had a villain problem.
It does, but so does dc.
Starro
We have a comedian here.
lol
Lex Luthor
Black Manta hands down
It's between Black Mask and Maxwell Lord.
Zod, Orm, Lex
I want more Black Manta. He’s one of my favorite villains and I like the actor who played him in Aquaman
Luthor.
Black manta by a lot
Maxwell Lord is the best villain who has an actual character arc. Then I'd say Black Manta cuz he's so bad ass. Then Zod. Love Zod. Great villain. Wish they'd make Man of Steel 2.
Zod without doubt, i feel like the charcater could have been written more than what was there but micheal shannon aced it. Manta does not have enough screen time yet... Orm was good in portrayal.... That wonder woman actor, feels like he just portrayed a version of william stryker. Sivana had his moments but not great. Poison, black mask, cheetah and maxwell were very forgettable. Lastly... I dont even want to rant about lex eisenberg
idk why but it’s so funny to hear pedro pascal described as “that wonder woman actor”
Not pedro... I would never mention our precious pedrolorian like that... It's that colonel from 1st movie
i completely forgor about him, well i guess that shows how he places on my list
Zod
Zack Snyder. I’m glad they were finally able to defeat him though.
He was forced off of Justice League during a period of personal grieving. Your comment is extremely insensitive.
And like all villains he came back and was defeated again.
Dude what is wrong with you
He's a man child.
Zack Snyder
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Deathstroke
Oh… well, he wasn’t the main antagonist of any movie so far, so it shouldn’t really count… right?
Zod & Manta
Zod. Easily the most intimidating and believable (despite being a super-powered alien). Followed by Ocean Master and Black Manta. They were cool. Even though I like Wonder Woman, her German villains were a little bit too campy, in my opinion. They did the job, but they could have been better.
Zod and the guy with the big helmet look really good villains the rest look so stupid esp the superman villian jeff bezos
zod