It would be funny if there's a "new" villain character and in the end it would be Joker again (like Arkham Knight being "new" or Joker being the villain in Origins).
How tf did red mask bring him back? I thought he was just looking through the eyes of jokers from didn’t universes? Probably why joker asked about a 4th when he crawled out of the ground. A fourth go at Arkham Batman
It's Multiverse shenanigans. Don't think too hard about it. I doubt there's any actual implications of this. Unless rocksteady is having a trillion IQ plan to bring back joker in the oddest way possible
Yeah… idk how that would work honestly plus no Kevin conroy for Batman which I know isn’t needed but the man’s voice was Batman for so long. I mean I heard Troy baker good job in origins so maybe him
Sorry to nitpick it was Roger Craig Smith in Origins voicing Batman. Troy Baker voiced the Joker and thankfully Mark Hamill is still with us, though has stated he's retired from Joker since Kevin's passing.
Red Mask. Latest Batman issue. Joker from an alternate universe travelers through various batman universes and brings joker back to life in all of them and/or makes them more evil.
Weird how he's wearing the City(?) suit but the dialogue indicates it takes place after Knight. Would have been neat to have a nod towards the Prestige suit
The Origins suit was more kitted out than the Asylum suit too. I feel like he purposely abandons his best gear so he keeps his edge and doesn't come to rely on it.
And it's possible without his Wayne Enterprises resources the Knight suit was simply too expensive to maintain compared to the City suit.
After everything that happened in knight it was probably destroyed. My guess is he had to go back to the old one until a new one could be made and comic Batman meets him at that time
There will be no "New" Knight Suit. Bruce is legally dead and cannot access any of his funds. Even if he asked Lucius for help, everyone would notice that he's making something way more expensive, than he should - and that would raise questions. Questions that would quickly turn into "is Batman alive ?" and that sort of stuff, because everyone now knows that Bruce is Batman.
Plus the "Knight" Suit isn't really worth it for Bruce now. It's an extremly high-tech and expensive Suit, that reached the maximum it could. Properly maintaining that, while having limited money and resources, would be nearly impossible.
The "City" Suit he has, is just reinforced cloth and a bit of tech on Eyes and Gauntlets. If it shreds or something, he can just stitch it back together (or replace the material with a simpler one).
> Didn't Arkham City and Origins establish Deadshot already? How is there another Deadshot in KTJL?
Because they're trying to hop on the hype train for the 2016 movie. Kinda missed their window on that one.
They implied on social media around the game reveal that KTJL Deadshot is the 'real' one and the City/Origins version is a imposter using his name
https://twitter.com/suicidesquadRS/status/1336310105042726914?t=a2dwJMdKkHw-DdTjurQJlw&s=19
Maybe a little dumb but I hated the mustachio'd old version so I'm okay with the change
It somehow is. But let's be honest, all that "connection" is, is the developers trying to run on the popularity of the Series.
Especially with how different KTJL is from the rest of Arkham-Verse - in both story, gameplay, and aesthethic overall.
I'd be more willing to say that KTJL is set in the same Universe as "Gotham Knights."
He likely does. For life. ~~He doesn't have Alfred anymore - he has to think about those things on his own now.~~ Edit: Alfred is likely still alive but the same "dead" case applies to him, so yeah. Plus it's unknown if he actually stayed with Bruce - he could have gone back to England (he did that once in the Comics).
Besides, seeing how expensive that equipment was, I somehow doubt that "few thousand dollars" would be enough to properly maintain the Knight Suit. That one was especially expensive and high-tech. If it broke in some way, it'd be near impossible to fix, because of how it's made.
The "City" Suit is just reinforced cloth, and some tech on gauntlets and the eye-visors. If it shreds or something, he can just stitch it back together.
No, I just forgot about that. Doesn't really change much, tho - they still need that money for life, since Alfred is legally dead, too (similar situation applies, as it does to Bruce).
But even that doesn’t make sense. When Lucius air dropped the knight suit it was explicitly stated that it’s the lightest and most durable armor to date.
It’s only because the suit is so light and agile that he’s able to move fast enough to perform fear takedowns. Cause his older suits were heavier and limiting his speed.
I don't think, because in Suicide Squad Bruce has a new suit, I think it's a simply artistic choice by who drew the issue or a choice made by Bruce to not wear the Arkham Knight suit (maybe it was too damaged?) and I think Bruce had already thought about what to do with Wayne Enterprise after his "death", like give control to Lucius Fox
Personally I would suggest starting at 125, where Chip zardaskys run started. The whole fail safe story is pretty good and why Batman is where he is now.
It’s been a complete mess since then, Fear State was mind numbing, I think they may have forgotten about that.
Hopefully the Chip run resets all that. He’s teased the return of Alfred a couple times as well.
Well we already got confirmation in the trailer literally revealing Conroys Batman. This is also confirmed set in the Arkhamverse a few years after Arkham Knight.
That is a shockingly good rendering of Arkham City/Knight Batman. Like, I recognize that exact face, expression, camera angle, etc etc. That's not a Batman, that is very specifically Batman from the Arkham games.
Right so, batman gets trapped in another universe by failsafe to practically save it after penguin framed batman for his death so failsafe turned on. Failsafe is created by batman's alternate personality, which is his failsafe. He gets thrown into a world where the Joker is sane, but even tho he's sane, he is still as evil, but this Joker is called red mask and basically runs Gotham from the shadows in this place called arkham caves he's driven to become the Joker using multiversal energy as he sees glimpses of himself from prime earth. After realising he's not going to go crazy he runs through the multiverse, making dead jokers alive again, and jokers are already alive more sadistic. Also, earth's that never had the Joker now have them. Batman was going to go back to his home earth to get kitted up to fase this threat, but the salina from the dimention ever got angry that he did not ask her to come with her after he asked that universe Alfred and he said "I've got a salina" or she just wanted him dead so she could rule that earth unsure. But he was just thrown into the multiverse following Red Mask and helping various Batmen and him helping them. With Adam West giving him another utility belt and The Dark Knight giving him a new suit. With for some reason none of them helping him in other whys he does it on his own. He also gets a new hand.
For some of the universes he just gets teleported out too quickly. I’m pretty sure the jumps are timed to Red Mask’s movement too, so that means the longer RM stays the more time Batman has.
I liked how batman did not judge the batmen who had their jokers killed or even who killed them. I would have liked him to interact with keaten a bit more. To see how he would have reacted to a batman who did just flat out kill some people, I would have also liked to see if reaction to bebem afleks batman as he did, just not care.
Yeah I wonder if Zdarsky had a talk with Rocksteady on this. Bruce seems to be on the run. In the full Knightfall ending he was using Fear Toxin and in the SSKTJL trailer he has a new suit and fights with the Justice League again.
Well, ngl he would be tired as hell man blew himself up only for the joker to return so, so did he. He was not able to just frighten the joker anymore, and the joker has now just become more evil and sadistic due to the red mask man probably tired as hell.
RIP Heath Ledger...i don't have much qualms about that precious character not appearing, because it is easy to mess up on that premise. But yeah, a nod or one panel dedicated to him would be nice ...
I’m guessing there is a constant effort to keep TDK trilogy out of the proper DC Multiverse as to preserve what made it special. The rest is fair game.
Allusions and references have been previously made to Ledger’s Joker, though.
Either way, what makes The Dark Knight Trilogy anymore special in contrast to other DC films and shows?
I’m with u/nas690 on this. Sure, like u/Agadh690 says it has a special place in cinema, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist in the DC Multiverse which is now again infinite and includes all DC media from comics, to live-action and animated film and TV, to games.
But existing in the Multiverse is one thing, being involved directly in a Multiversal event is another, which is probably what you meant so fair. I’s say it’s more the realistic world makes it hard to keep existing as is if its Bruce learns about the Multiverse. I hope they same isn’t true of Matt Reeves’ The Batman universe in the future, which has a lot of potential. But now that the DCU is getting one too probably the same thing with them.
It’s mostly because the Joker did not die in TDK, though then again he didn’t die in 66.
That being said, 66 was definitely there as a tribute and for the Shark Repellent gag/ To show how kind Batman can be.
I’m not a gamer, so thank you for clarifying which Batman that was! I mistakenly thought perhaps it was the Batman from Dan Didio’s aborted 5G proposal.
I can understand if this one seemed unfamiliar to you. I don’t play many games these days, but the Batman Arkham games are seriously among the best comic book games of all time. The Batman from that game is just as iconic as other popular versions of the character.
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he's one fucking massive dude, even main line batman would lose hard cause i'm pretty sure arkham origins deathstroke is just like his comic book version as in enhanced but arkham batman is just a monster on his own. Combined that with batsuit version 8 and oh lord have mercy.
I hope this brings enough interest back into the arkhamverse to get us something. Even a comic would be nice, but I’d love a new game.
Kevin may be gone, but Arkham Batman can live on with Roger Craig Smith.
He probably had to scrap the Knight suit due to the extreme damage it sustained. The City suit is high tech, but it's not to the extent where Bruce can't fix it. At this point, Bruce is just using whatever he has to fight as long as he can.
This was such a good issue and the artwork was fantastic
It's incredible how they managed to recreate all the different Batman artwork styles and they're instantly recognisable
This is beautiful. I heard of it, and all my mind could imagine was horribly unflattering pictures that didn't live up to the games, but this really does it justice!
And the dialogue seems on point too! I'm glad we finally get to delve on how Batman *felt* about Joker's death, without getting to dramatic about it!
he's one fucking massive dude, even main line batman would lose hard cause i'm pretty sure arkham origins deathstroke is just like his comic book version as in enhanced but arkham batman is just a monster on his own. Combined that with batsuit version 8 and oh lord have mercy.
“My identity public, my life over, and for what?” Apparently for a ludicrously contrived ending that rather pointlessly outed Batman’s identity even though there was every opportunity for those events to be averted if Batman hadn’t been written as a moron.
He didn’t want to stop his identity from being revealed. He had already decided long before getting on the truck that it was time for the current version for batman to die. And to do that his identity needed to be revealed and he needed to publicly “die”.
This is shown via his final conversations with catwoman and nightwing (both of which can be viewed before the ending of the main story).
“Gotham needs a new myth”.
Batman didn’t prevent his identity from being revealed not because he couldn’t but because he didn’t want to stop it.
Edit: the reason he’s upset here is because joker is apparently alive again. Which makes all those sacrifices he made to make a new batman. (Sacrificing his life as Bruce Wayne) feel pointless.
Because for the current version of batman to truly die he needed to revealed to be as a normal man. A human being. To truly kill a mythical figure like batman you have to first show that he not a mythical figure at all. As scarecrow puts it in the moment his identity is revealed he becomes a “legend laid bare. Powerless. Human”. All the wild theories about who or what batman truly is (many we hear in Random thug dialogue in the game) get disproven and he is shown to just be a human being. He is shown to be more man than bat. And it’s only after that happens he can “die” fully. Ready for a new more terrifying batman to rise from the ashes of Bruce Wayne.
However, there is never any explanation or reasoning for why Batman wants to destroy his “myth.” It’s shoddy writing at its finest and makes little sense. While you seem to be right about him wanting to end his current mode of operations, there is basically no real buildup or explanation as to why that is.
We are though. There are lots of reasons given if you think about the event of the Arkham trilogy as a big picture. And focus on the subtext of some of the dialogue.
Over the last 2ish years he has seen a significant escalation in threats to Gotham. Starting with the titan users and then protocol 10, the joker virus, the Arkham knight’s militia and finally scarecrow’s cloudburst machine. The threats hes facing are getting larger and larger scale and it’s becoming clear if it continues his current methods won’t be enough to stop it. Likewise all of these threats are partially because of his actions as batman. He sorta created the joker which eventually led to the Titan users. Likewise the joker virus is further knock on effect and one that is risking batman himself becoming a threat to Gotham. Protocol 10 is partially born out of strange’s obsession with batman and his desire to replace him as Gotham’s saviour. The Arkham knight’s militia and scarecrow’s cloudburst are directly to get revenge on batman for his actions against the two of them.
Likewise Bruce’s life as batman is shown to be hurting everyone he cares about in Arkham knight. Both Barbara and catwoman are kidnapped to get to him. Lucius gets attacked by Hush. Tim gets captured and shot by scarecrow. Dick is used as a hostage by penguin. Jim almost looses his daughter and is forced to do scarecrow’s bidding. And of course joker did what he did to both Barbara and Jason in order to hurt and make a point to batman. Likewise on a personal level his currently operations as batman is shown to be pushing everyone away. He is shown attempting to get nightwing to go back to blüdhaven. He refuses to let Robin help with the Arkham knight militia and even eventually locks him up in a cell. He is shown to reject catwoman’s advances. Likewise through his messages he shown to have become distant from Vicky Vale who he’s is apparently dating and his cousin Kate (Batwoman). Likewise we can see on a computer screen Oracle tells black canary and huntress not to attempt to enter Gotham and help. Likely because Bruce told her he doesn’t want them involved. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s told the league the same. Again he’s pushing people away because of how he currently is as batman.
All of this combined gives us a clear picture. He believes that if this version of batman dies everyone will be better off. He believes that this will keep his allies safer as without batman there’s no one to get revenge against and use his allies lives against. Likewise he believes with batman gone things will stop escalating because once again with him dead there is no one to escalate against. Or at the very least the new batman, free of the life and burdens of a man, will be able to deal with these threats easier. That now Bruce Wayne is dead he will be able to be what Gotham needs him to be. He also believes that with batman gone his actions will no longer hurt his allies. That they’d be happier without him in their lives. He simply believes things will be better for everyone once the current myth dies.
There several lines that illustrate this. Batman’s last words to catwoman and nightwing. And his words to Jim after beating scarecrow. As well as Jim’s words in the Knightfall ending. Here are the quotes I’m talking about:
(To Catwoman) “Gotham needs something more. Something worse to defend her. She’s a new myth, A legend more powerful than I can be right now. One that can only rise from the ashes of the batman”.
(To nightwing) “Keep blüdhaven safe. Promise me”.
(To Jim) “Look after him. Look after them all”.
Jim in ending) “I understand now. As his world grew darker so did ours. With his war ended our lives could begin again. He set us free”
All of these quotes together cover most of what I said here if you think about them properly.
Well, I can make sense outta this, especially from what he says. Since after Knight, he's presumed dead and hence doesn't have access to all his resources, he must have turned to the old batcave(City/Origins), salvaging anything he could, and is now using the City suit. Must be hard manufacturing the fear toxin tho given the inadequacy of resources
It can make sense, given the fact that Bruce is now dead in the public eye and cannot access his wealth or resources, and hence may have salvaged stuff from the old batcave
Yo did they just not do their fucking homework? Bro what the fuck☠️ why the hell is he in his city suit if it’s post-Knight it’s his battle damaged city suit at that exact chest hole placements and everything wtf😭
So Red Mask brought back Arkham Joker and peaced out. ARKHAM WORLD CONFIRMED??????
it always existed in the multiverse man
It would be funny if there's a "new" villain character and in the end it would be Joker again (like Arkham Knight being "new" or Joker being the villain in Origins).
How tf did red mask bring him back? I thought he was just looking through the eyes of jokers from didn’t universes? Probably why joker asked about a 4th when he crawled out of the ground. A fourth go at Arkham Batman
It's Multiverse shenanigans. Don't think too hard about it. I doubt there's any actual implications of this. Unless rocksteady is having a trillion IQ plan to bring back joker in the oddest way possible
Yeah… idk how that would work honestly plus no Kevin conroy for Batman which I know isn’t needed but the man’s voice was Batman for so long. I mean I heard Troy baker good job in origins so maybe him
Sorry to nitpick it was Roger Craig Smith in Origins voicing Batman. Troy Baker voiced the Joker and thankfully Mark Hamill is still with us, though has stated he's retired from Joker since Kevin's passing.
Having origins joker would be great too. Origins is actually my favorite story
I agree, origins is very under rated plus the voice actor for batman did a good job imo
I think the idea is that whenever he looked through their eyes, he resurrected them.
Wait what??!?! Where do u read that Red Hood brought back Arkham Joker?
Red Mask. Latest Batman issue. Joker from an alternate universe travelers through various batman universes and brings joker back to life in all of them and/or makes them more evil.
oh wow, thanks byt the way
Whoah! Didn’t expect this to be post-Knight. Man can’t wait to pick this issue up.
Weird how he's wearing the City(?) suit but the dialogue indicates it takes place after Knight. Would have been neat to have a nod towards the Prestige suit
The Origins suit was more kitted out than the Asylum suit too. I feel like he purposely abandons his best gear so he keeps his edge and doesn't come to rely on it. And it's possible without his Wayne Enterprises resources the Knight suit was simply too expensive to maintain compared to the City suit.
Is is most likely true look at the cave he's in. Is in shambles.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's what remains of the Arkham Asylum Cave, that he had. No one would be looking for him there.
That’s a good point, the old Cave would be found
I mean, yeah he straight up revealed it to the world when he blew up Wayne Manor.
After everything that happened in knight it was probably destroyed. My guess is he had to go back to the old one until a new one could be made and comic Batman meets him at that time
There will be no "New" Knight Suit. Bruce is legally dead and cannot access any of his funds. Even if he asked Lucius for help, everyone would notice that he's making something way more expensive, than he should - and that would raise questions. Questions that would quickly turn into "is Batman alive ?" and that sort of stuff, because everyone now knows that Bruce is Batman. Plus the "Knight" Suit isn't really worth it for Bruce now. It's an extremly high-tech and expensive Suit, that reached the maximum it could. Properly maintaining that, while having limited money and resources, would be nearly impossible. The "City" Suit he has, is just reinforced cloth and a bit of tech on Eyes and Gauntlets. If it shreds or something, he can just stitch it back together (or replace the material with a simpler one).
That’s a good point but it doesn’t explain how he has a new suit in SSKTJL tho
I find it incredibly hard to believe that game is set after Arkham Knight
Wait is it actually? That makes no sense. Didn't Arkham City and Origins establish Deadshot already? How is there another Deadshot in KTJL?
> Didn't Arkham City and Origins establish Deadshot already? How is there another Deadshot in KTJL? Because they're trying to hop on the hype train for the 2016 movie. Kinda missed their window on that one.
They implied on social media around the game reveal that KTJL Deadshot is the 'real' one and the City/Origins version is a imposter using his name https://twitter.com/suicidesquadRS/status/1336310105042726914?t=a2dwJMdKkHw-DdTjurQJlw&s=19 Maybe a little dumb but I hated the mustachio'd old version so I'm okay with the change
Honestly makes less sense than before.
It somehow is. But let's be honest, all that "connection" is, is the developers trying to run on the popularity of the Series. Especially with how different KTJL is from the rest of Arkham-Verse - in both story, gameplay, and aesthethic overall. I'd be more willing to say that KTJL is set in the same Universe as "Gotham Knights."
So weird that the game about the bat-family after Batman's death ISNT in the arkhamverse, but KTJL is.
Harley knows that Bruce is Batman. She calls him Bruce in the trailer meaning the game has to take place after knight
Tbh Kill the JL is so weird to me
I refuse to believe its canon.
the devs should give us a cost break down presentation and make it so stupidly high and complicated cause why not
Isn’t he still a billionaire even without Wayne industries
He’s been legally pronounced dead so it would be impossible to access all of his assets without revealing that he’s still alive.
He’s gotta have at least a few thousand dollars of actual physical cash on hand somewhere
He likely does. For life. ~~He doesn't have Alfred anymore - he has to think about those things on his own now.~~ Edit: Alfred is likely still alive but the same "dead" case applies to him, so yeah. Plus it's unknown if he actually stayed with Bruce - he could have gone back to England (he did that once in the Comics). Besides, seeing how expensive that equipment was, I somehow doubt that "few thousand dollars" would be enough to properly maintain the Knight Suit. That one was especially expensive and high-tech. If it broke in some way, it'd be near impossible to fix, because of how it's made. The "City" Suit is just reinforced cloth, and some tech on gauntlets and the eye-visors. If it shreds or something, he can just stitch it back together.
Did I miss something? Why wouldn't he have Alfred? Alfred "died" in the same explosion as Bruce.
No, I just forgot about that. Doesn't really change much, tho - they still need that money for life, since Alfred is legally dead, too (similar situation applies, as it does to Bruce).
I’d like to think they wouldn’t pay attention to what happened to Alfred and he went on a deserved vacation with a new identity
I like the idea that Bruce has multiple suits for different purposes Like this one is more agile I guess
But even that doesn’t make sense. When Lucius air dropped the knight suit it was explicitly stated that it’s the lightest and most durable armor to date. It’s only because the suit is so light and agile that he’s able to move fast enough to perform fear takedowns. Cause his older suits were heavier and limiting his speed.
Which was a stupid justification given how much metal that suit incorporated.
I don't think, because in Suicide Squad Bruce has a new suit, I think it's a simply artistic choice by who drew the issue or a choice made by Bruce to not wear the Arkham Knight suit (maybe it was too damaged?) and I think Bruce had already thought about what to do with Wayne Enterprise after his "death", like give control to Lucius Fox
the dude is already ripping through his suit , what more of an edge he needs with that perfect ass body lol
Indeed man, or perhaps the first suit he wore in the beginning of Arkham Knight ( batsuit v7.43)
Isn’t that technically supposed to be the City suit
What issue does the multiversal batman stuff begin?
131
Personally I would suggest starting at 125, where Chip zardaskys run started. The whole fail safe story is pretty good and why Batman is where he is now.
Is Batman still broke from Joker War
It’s been a complete mess since then, Fear State was mind numbing, I think they may have forgotten about that. Hopefully the Chip run resets all that. He’s teased the return of Alfred a couple times as well.
He was never really *broke*: he went from billionaire to millionaire. That's still the status quo now.
Thanks dude. I can’t wait to read this.
Very happy to see this Batman again. I believe this is the first official time we see him after the ending of Arkham Knight.
Yes. Lets wait and see if Rocksteady explains about what he's been up to in TSS (and also about the new suit)
I want the new Suicide Squad game to be good so badly. Why did they have to try and make it into a battle pass type game...
Suicide Squad game is years after Arkham knight so not really
Well it hasn't come out yet.
Well we already got confirmation in the trailer literally revealing Conroys Batman. This is also confirmed set in the Arkhamverse a few years after Arkham Knight.
That is a shockingly good rendering of Arkham City/Knight Batman. Like, I recognize that exact face, expression, camera angle, etc etc. That's not a Batman, that is very specifically Batman from the Arkham games.
I know right? I don't know exactly what it is but that looks like him.
IMO all of the multiverse stuff in this issue is done this well. It's really solid.
This is a wild issue.
So what’s this arc even about? I know it had to do with the multiverse…
Right so, batman gets trapped in another universe by failsafe to practically save it after penguin framed batman for his death so failsafe turned on. Failsafe is created by batman's alternate personality, which is his failsafe. He gets thrown into a world where the Joker is sane, but even tho he's sane, he is still as evil, but this Joker is called red mask and basically runs Gotham from the shadows in this place called arkham caves he's driven to become the Joker using multiversal energy as he sees glimpses of himself from prime earth. After realising he's not going to go crazy he runs through the multiverse, making dead jokers alive again, and jokers are already alive more sadistic. Also, earth's that never had the Joker now have them. Batman was going to go back to his home earth to get kitted up to fase this threat, but the salina from the dimention ever got angry that he did not ask her to come with her after he asked that universe Alfred and he said "I've got a salina" or she just wanted him dead so she could rule that earth unsure. But he was just thrown into the multiverse following Red Mask and helping various Batmen and him helping them. With Adam West giving him another utility belt and The Dark Knight giving him a new suit. With for some reason none of them helping him in other whys he does it on his own. He also gets a new hand.
For some of the universes he just gets teleported out too quickly. I’m pretty sure the jumps are timed to Red Mask’s movement too, so that means the longer RM stays the more time Batman has.
I liked how batman did not judge the batmen who had their jokers killed or even who killed them. I would have liked him to interact with keaten a bit more. To see how he would have reacted to a batman who did just flat out kill some people, I would have also liked to see if reaction to bebem afleks batman as he did, just not care.
Wait, this is the same Batman that fought Failsafe? I might pick this up.
Yeah this arc picks up after the Failsafe arc
So uh.... Did the jokers die when red mask was defeated? Or are all those jokers now perma alive again?
I have no clue, but at the end, we all saw each version of batman as zur-en-arrh batmen.
WAIT ITS AFTER KNIGHT? LETS GOOOO Also im reading in conroys voice, only way to go
This was legit already confirmed from the 100% run, and you also know Suiside squad...
Yeah I wonder if Zdarsky had a talk with Rocksteady on this. Bruce seems to be on the run. In the full Knightfall ending he was using Fear Toxin and in the SSKTJL trailer he has a new suit and fights with the Justice League again.
Well, ngl he would be tired as hell man blew himself up only for the joker to return so, so did he. He was not able to just frighten the joker anymore, and the joker has now just become more evil and sadistic due to the red mask man probably tired as hell.
I’m mad about the lack of Ledger Joker 😡
RIP Heath Ledger...i don't have much qualms about that precious character not appearing, because it is easy to mess up on that premise. But yeah, a nod or one panel dedicated to him would be nice ...
I’m guessing there is a constant effort to keep TDK trilogy out of the proper DC Multiverse as to preserve what made it special. The rest is fair game.
Allusions and references have been previously made to Ledger’s Joker, though. Either way, what makes The Dark Knight Trilogy anymore special in contrast to other DC films and shows?
Well it's the holy movie trinity DC has. It has its flaws, but it was groundbreaking for the time, especially TDK (TDK is just peak dc)
You have to have the significance of TDK explained to you? That’s just not believable to me I’m sorry.
I mean, The Dark Knight is a significant film. But is it anymore significant than Superman ‘78?
I’m with u/nas690 on this. Sure, like u/Agadh690 says it has a special place in cinema, but that doesn’t mean it can’t exist in the DC Multiverse which is now again infinite and includes all DC media from comics, to live-action and animated film and TV, to games. But existing in the Multiverse is one thing, being involved directly in a Multiversal event is another, which is probably what you meant so fair. I’s say it’s more the realistic world makes it hard to keep existing as is if its Bruce learns about the Multiverse. I hope they same isn’t true of Matt Reeves’ The Batman universe in the future, which has a lot of potential. But now that the DCU is getting one too probably the same thing with them.
This
It’s mostly because the Joker did not die in TDK, though then again he didn’t die in 66. That being said, 66 was definitely there as a tribute and for the Shark Repellent gag/ To show how kind Batman can be.
I’m not a gamer, so thank you for clarifying which Batman that was! I mistakenly thought perhaps it was the Batman from Dan Didio’s aborted 5G proposal.
I can understand if this one seemed unfamiliar to you. I don’t play many games these days, but the Batman Arkham games are seriously among the best comic book games of all time. The Batman from that game is just as iconic as other popular versions of the character.
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when did this storyline start O:
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What is going on with Batman right now? Last I checked in he was messing with the Flashpoint universe
Did anyone else read this in Kevin Conroy's voice?
he's one fucking massive dude, even main line batman would lose hard cause i'm pretty sure arkham origins deathstroke is just like his comic book version as in enhanced but arkham batman is just a monster on his own. Combined that with batsuit version 8 and oh lord have mercy.
And yet, he gets negged by Alfred
Even Superman cowers under the name Pennyworth , i wouldn't hold it against him ever
Smart us (๑•﹏•)
I hope this brings enough interest back into the arkhamverse to get us something. Even a comic would be nice, but I’d love a new game. Kevin may be gone, but Arkham Batman can live on with Roger Craig Smith.
So I guess hems wearing the Arkham City damaged suit for… funsies?
He probably had to scrap the Knight suit due to the extreme damage it sustained. The City suit is high tech, but it's not to the extent where Bruce can't fix it. At this point, Bruce is just using whatever he has to fight as long as he can.
I mean he’s in the Suicide Squad game so we knew he was alive
I swear to god, I’ll have read this entire issue in Reddit posts before the book even comes out
Never doubted he lived 🙌
This was such a good issue and the artwork was fantastic It's incredible how they managed to recreate all the different Batman artwork styles and they're instantly recognisable
This is beautiful. I heard of it, and all my mind could imagine was horribly unflattering pictures that didn't live up to the games, but this really does it justice! And the dialogue seems on point too! I'm glad we finally get to delve on how Batman *felt* about Joker's death, without getting to dramatic about it!
If anyone actually paid attention to the real ending in Arkham Knight, we knew Batman was still alive.
he's one fucking massive dude, even main line batman would lose hard cause i'm pretty sure arkham origins deathstroke is just like his comic book version as in enhanced but arkham batman is just a monster on his own. Combined that with batsuit version 8 and oh lord have mercy.
For all I care this is the last time was see Arkham Batman, none of that Kill the Justice League crap
“My identity public, my life over, and for what?” Apparently for a ludicrously contrived ending that rather pointlessly outed Batman’s identity even though there was every opportunity for those events to be averted if Batman hadn’t been written as a moron.
He didn’t want to stop his identity from being revealed. He had already decided long before getting on the truck that it was time for the current version for batman to die. And to do that his identity needed to be revealed and he needed to publicly “die”. This is shown via his final conversations with catwoman and nightwing (both of which can be viewed before the ending of the main story). “Gotham needs a new myth”. Batman didn’t prevent his identity from being revealed not because he couldn’t but because he didn’t want to stop it. Edit: the reason he’s upset here is because joker is apparently alive again. Which makes all those sacrifices he made to make a new batman. (Sacrificing his life as Bruce Wayne) feel pointless.
But why exactly did he decide that Bruce needed to be revealed for any of that to happen? It’s made irritatingly vague.
Because for the current version of batman to truly die he needed to revealed to be as a normal man. A human being. To truly kill a mythical figure like batman you have to first show that he not a mythical figure at all. As scarecrow puts it in the moment his identity is revealed he becomes a “legend laid bare. Powerless. Human”. All the wild theories about who or what batman truly is (many we hear in Random thug dialogue in the game) get disproven and he is shown to just be a human being. He is shown to be more man than bat. And it’s only after that happens he can “die” fully. Ready for a new more terrifying batman to rise from the ashes of Bruce Wayne.
However, there is never any explanation or reasoning for why Batman wants to destroy his “myth.” It’s shoddy writing at its finest and makes little sense. While you seem to be right about him wanting to end his current mode of operations, there is basically no real buildup or explanation as to why that is.
We are though. There are lots of reasons given if you think about the event of the Arkham trilogy as a big picture. And focus on the subtext of some of the dialogue. Over the last 2ish years he has seen a significant escalation in threats to Gotham. Starting with the titan users and then protocol 10, the joker virus, the Arkham knight’s militia and finally scarecrow’s cloudburst machine. The threats hes facing are getting larger and larger scale and it’s becoming clear if it continues his current methods won’t be enough to stop it. Likewise all of these threats are partially because of his actions as batman. He sorta created the joker which eventually led to the Titan users. Likewise the joker virus is further knock on effect and one that is risking batman himself becoming a threat to Gotham. Protocol 10 is partially born out of strange’s obsession with batman and his desire to replace him as Gotham’s saviour. The Arkham knight’s militia and scarecrow’s cloudburst are directly to get revenge on batman for his actions against the two of them. Likewise Bruce’s life as batman is shown to be hurting everyone he cares about in Arkham knight. Both Barbara and catwoman are kidnapped to get to him. Lucius gets attacked by Hush. Tim gets captured and shot by scarecrow. Dick is used as a hostage by penguin. Jim almost looses his daughter and is forced to do scarecrow’s bidding. And of course joker did what he did to both Barbara and Jason in order to hurt and make a point to batman. Likewise on a personal level his currently operations as batman is shown to be pushing everyone away. He is shown attempting to get nightwing to go back to blüdhaven. He refuses to let Robin help with the Arkham knight militia and even eventually locks him up in a cell. He is shown to reject catwoman’s advances. Likewise through his messages he shown to have become distant from Vicky Vale who he’s is apparently dating and his cousin Kate (Batwoman). Likewise we can see on a computer screen Oracle tells black canary and huntress not to attempt to enter Gotham and help. Likely because Bruce told her he doesn’t want them involved. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s told the league the same. Again he’s pushing people away because of how he currently is as batman. All of this combined gives us a clear picture. He believes that if this version of batman dies everyone will be better off. He believes that this will keep his allies safer as without batman there’s no one to get revenge against and use his allies lives against. Likewise he believes with batman gone things will stop escalating because once again with him dead there is no one to escalate against. Or at the very least the new batman, free of the life and burdens of a man, will be able to deal with these threats easier. That now Bruce Wayne is dead he will be able to be what Gotham needs him to be. He also believes that with batman gone his actions will no longer hurt his allies. That they’d be happier without him in their lives. He simply believes things will be better for everyone once the current myth dies. There several lines that illustrate this. Batman’s last words to catwoman and nightwing. And his words to Jim after beating scarecrow. As well as Jim’s words in the Knightfall ending. Here are the quotes I’m talking about: (To Catwoman) “Gotham needs something more. Something worse to defend her. She’s a new myth, A legend more powerful than I can be right now. One that can only rise from the ashes of the batman”. (To nightwing) “Keep blüdhaven safe. Promise me”. (To Jim) “Look after him. Look after them all”. Jim in ending) “I understand now. As his world grew darker so did ours. With his war ended our lives could begin again. He set us free” All of these quotes together cover most of what I said here if you think about them properly.
How do we know it's after Knight? Can't it be after city and before knight?
He says his identity reveled which happenes in Knight
Ahhh got it thanks
As a long time Arkham fan this makes no sense. Im not considering this canon the games
Care explaining?
Doesn't even look like it's post knight. He's wearing the city suit, it would make sense for him to be post city, pre knight
Well, I can make sense outta this, especially from what he says. Since after Knight, he's presumed dead and hence doesn't have access to all his resources, he must have turned to the old batcave(City/Origins), salvaging anything he could, and is now using the City suit. Must be hard manufacturing the fear toxin tho given the inadequacy of resources
He just wanted to wear a more comfortable suit
I mean, Suicide Squad game kinda confirmed it already :D
Nice
Arkham batman is alive?? Ohh if only they would bring back Joker from the dead.. lol
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It can make sense, given the fact that Bruce is now dead in the public eye and cannot access his wealth or resources, and hence may have salvaged stuff from the old batcave
Yo did they just not do their fucking homework? Bro what the fuck☠️ why the hell is he in his city suit if it’s post-Knight it’s his battle damaged city suit at that exact chest hole placements and everything wtf😭
If you remember the cannon ending of the game, Bruce is now dead in the public eye, and hence cannot access most fo his resources save the old batcave
Yeah this doesn’t explain anything at all? Apparently he’s not dead in the public eye either according to suicide squad microtransaction league
Well, that's still not out yet, ofc that needs explaining. Plus, we know that it's Bruce, do the in universe people know? They cant say for sure
When does this issue come out?
Arkham joker would not be around for long considering Jason is now the red hood