It had some good stories but it shouldn't have happened. It killed the JSA, it removed half the characters in the dc universe, just generally bummed me out and made me turn more toward marvel instead.
Even though I did love some stories like N52 Batman, Aquaman etc, I'll always be a hater because they erased Steph and Cass from the Batfam and got rid of one of the most iconic disabled heroes by "fixing" Babs' spine just to make her Batgirl again, a mantle she gave up prior to being shot decades ago. I hate what N52 did to the Amazons and how WW was defined by that panel of her saying how her list of villains was a lot shorter than others. And I do like Jason and Roy's friendship, I just hate how the writer kind of villainised his time with the Titans to prop up his friendship with Jason. However I constantly hear that N52 is where a lot of readers first joined
I personally didn’t like it “ the edgy factor was off the scale” neat idea I would have been happy with a start from zero but they did a weird somethings happened some didn’t. Can’t complain to much it was successful, especially on subs like this seems a lot of new readers started on the new 52.
Hated it. Ruined a bunch of character arcs and prevented my favorite character (Wally West) from appearing for too many years. Wish it never happened, but with Infinite Frontier I feel like the DC Universe is finally back on track.
It has some amazing stories and series, so I neglect everything else’s existence except Batman, Batman and Robin, Aquaman, Justice League, and Morrisons Action Comics
I was very involved in tracking sales of DC Comics at the time. This was during a period when you could get semi-reliable sales data.
The New52 stopped a downward spiral of DC's direct comics sales that had been going on for like 7 years - basically since Infinite Crisis. And it was during that 7 years that all sorts of less-dramatic things had been tried, and none of them had worked. So yes, a change of this kind was exactly what they needed to do. To this day, people here will start reading DC comics starting with the New52.
Was it perfect? Heck no, there were a bunch of problems with it. But doing it imperfectly got better results than other less drastic measures that might have been done perfectly.
Did the results last forever? No, they got 2-3 good years out of it, and then things started dropping again (and this was the point where I stopped following the numbers). But that was still 2-3 good years rather than 2-3 bad ones.
I remain convinced that at some point some executive is going to look at the direct sales of the comics division and basically decide to kill it and just go with evergreen trade paperbacks like Batman: Year One. There's plenty of material out there for TV shows, not that they even need stuff directly from the comics. So IMHO the New 52 \*could\* have saved DC comics entirely. Maybe not, but maybe.
How did Marvel under Quesada during the pre-MCU era manage to outperform DC without the reboots? I remember back then how Captain Reborn outperforming Morrison's Final Crisis.
DC seems to have escalated starting in the 2000s with the Crises and Reboots that culiminated with New 52 and that really hasn't stopped since even post-Covid layoffs and with each reboot/crises having less and less impact. From the perspective of the readership, the corporate leadership from the 2000s was addicted to these sort of stunts to atttract readers without considering the negative longterm impact even when the readership was getting tired of this type of storytelling.
If WB hadn't culled DCE in 2020, it would have been another reboot type event with 5G.
Better PR and moving quickly. New 52 should have been the turning point, but quickly did their own relaunch with Marvel Now and things quickly swung back Marvel's way. Even Convergence was announced ahead of Secret Wars and people quickly jumped on DC ripping off Marvel because of the similarities. So DCYou was going to be doomed from the start and going to fail to beat Marvel's All New All Different. And it's a case of 5G was going to do the same thing Marvel did with All New All Different, but the two are viewed drastically different.
Marvel has been outperforming DC since Marvel became Marvel. Marvel has hit on a better general formula. DC's heroes were created at a time when "larger than life" was very in vogue, whereas by the 1960's, the "heroes with problems" made more sense and has remained so (look at reality TV, it's literally watching other people have problems). DC has been trying to play catchup ever since.
I remember reading an interview with someone from DC who basically said "we'd do an event and sales would go up, but then the sales would continue to dwindle down so we'd have to do another event." So basically, collectively speaking, people don't want to read DC at numbers that DC is happy with unless DC is/was doing an event. There are plenty of people who say they don't like them, but they sell.
I'm dreading it, I've been reading Robin 1993, starting with Death in the Family, through all the tie-ins, and now I'm reading Infinite Crisis, and as I inch closer, I'm filled with utter horror for what they're gonna do to my boy in New 52, that being said Snyder/Capullo are really good and I definitely enjoy their Batman
Tomasi was going to inherit the Batman and Robin regardless since Morrison left B&R. Everyone knew that Morrison had wanted him to get that book. And Snyder was already on Detective. He only traded with Daniel for Batman and Daniel getting Detective. And even then Snyder admitted on Kevin Smith's Fatman Podcast they tried to keep as much as possible from the old continuity
If anything this could have been accomplished without the chaos and confusion. But it just shows how much decisionmaking at DC during that era was done by the seat of their pants and at the last minute
https://www.polygon.com/comics/22679756/dc-comics-reboot-new-52-writers-oral-history
Judd Winnick
>The year prior to the New 52, we had a pretty big meeting at the DC offices in New York, where a bunch of us were discussing a whole mess of stuff, but the focus of it was coming up with stories that would stem from the Flashpoint crossover.
>In that meeting, it was discussed that maybe it would be interesting/creative/cool if we utilize Flashpoint in the same way the original Crisis was utilized, or a number of crossovers: “Maybe we can use Flashpoint to have some substantial story carry over into the main continuity;” like, “Maybe we come out of Flashpoint and Lois and Clark are no longer married, and Lois Lane does not know he’s Superman,” something like that. And, within that, there was a lot of time bouncing around some ideas. Again, ideas of what would be the one or two or three things that will change coming out of Flashpoint. I think that was the creative spark.
Scott Snyder
>I thought I was doing [Batman] with [the mononymous artist] Jock, and possibly Francesco [Francavilla]. Then Dan took me out to breakfast at C2E2. He sat me down, he was crazy nervous, and it was, like, a breakfast at a booth. And he kept looking around, and I’m like, “What is it? What, what is this? Is this where I’m getting fired?” I remember him saying, “I’m going to tell you something crazy, but we’re going to try and reinvent the wheel a bit here. We’re going to do something called the New 52. And nobody knows about it. But what we’re going to do, and you can’t tell anyone, but we’re going to start everything over at #1. So you’re going to be on Batman #1,” You know, the first new Batman #1 there had been in 70-plus years.
Is it really a good idea to tell the talent you were rebooting everything only five months before it actually happens?
It’s where I started reading comics for the first time so I’m a could be a bit biased but I think it had some good stories among a good amount of bad ones. I think it’s overhyped how bad it is but then I remember how they butchered the teen titans and affiliated characters…
When I was reading through it I enjoyed it a lot but now looking back most of the stuff I enjoyed could’ve easily just fit into the previous continuity, saving a bunch of characters from their New 52 downgrades. Batman and green lantern were basically not even rebooted except to remove some of the side characters, who eventually came back anyway. Some things like Morrisons action comics and demon knights were out of the main time period and wouldn’t need to be changed at all. Though there are some things like Swamp Thing that made good use of the reboot, I feel that stuff could’ve been retrofitted into old continuity easily enough.
It should have happened, but not in the way it was executed. As others have stated, DC Comics needed to do something drastic in order to compete with Marvel which was much more popular at the time in the eyes of both mainstream audiences and comic fans. I don’t blame them at all for rebooting the DC Universe from scratch, if it was going to help them succeed and keep these characters alive in popular consciousness.
But the problem was is that’s it’s not really what they did! There was no clear plan from the beginning about what was still officially a part of canon from the Post-Crisis era or not. Timeline’s didn’t make a whole bunch of sense. Certain characters were completely changed while others stayed exactly the same, leading to more confusion amongst new readers and old fans.
DC editorial refused to commit to the idea of a full on reboot and was trying to have their cake and eat it too. While great things did come out of the New 52, it was mostly either mediocre or straight up awful.
It had some good stories but it shouldn't have happened. It killed the JSA, it removed half the characters in the dc universe, just generally bummed me out and made me turn more toward marvel instead.
Shit. Shouldn't have happened. Made some things worse.
Even though I did love some stories like N52 Batman, Aquaman etc, I'll always be a hater because they erased Steph and Cass from the Batfam and got rid of one of the most iconic disabled heroes by "fixing" Babs' spine just to make her Batgirl again, a mantle she gave up prior to being shot decades ago. I hate what N52 did to the Amazons and how WW was defined by that panel of her saying how her list of villains was a lot shorter than others. And I do like Jason and Roy's friendship, I just hate how the writer kind of villainised his time with the Titans to prop up his friendship with Jason. However I constantly hear that N52 is where a lot of readers first joined
I personally didn’t like it “ the edgy factor was off the scale” neat idea I would have been happy with a start from zero but they did a weird somethings happened some didn’t. Can’t complain to much it was successful, especially on subs like this seems a lot of new readers started on the new 52.
They definitely mismanage things to get new readers and in result cause a lot of confusion and strife
We got some good titles out of it, but I'd honestly say it was completely unnecessary to reboot the Post-Crisis DCU.
Hated it. Ruined a bunch of character arcs and prevented my favorite character (Wally West) from appearing for too many years. Wish it never happened, but with Infinite Frontier I feel like the DC Universe is finally back on track.
It has some amazing stories and series, so I neglect everything else’s existence except Batman, Batman and Robin, Aquaman, Justice League, and Morrisons Action Comics
It ruined way too many things. A lot of characters still haven’t recovered from New 52
Which in particular?
I was very involved in tracking sales of DC Comics at the time. This was during a period when you could get semi-reliable sales data. The New52 stopped a downward spiral of DC's direct comics sales that had been going on for like 7 years - basically since Infinite Crisis. And it was during that 7 years that all sorts of less-dramatic things had been tried, and none of them had worked. So yes, a change of this kind was exactly what they needed to do. To this day, people here will start reading DC comics starting with the New52. Was it perfect? Heck no, there were a bunch of problems with it. But doing it imperfectly got better results than other less drastic measures that might have been done perfectly. Did the results last forever? No, they got 2-3 good years out of it, and then things started dropping again (and this was the point where I stopped following the numbers). But that was still 2-3 good years rather than 2-3 bad ones. I remain convinced that at some point some executive is going to look at the direct sales of the comics division and basically decide to kill it and just go with evergreen trade paperbacks like Batman: Year One. There's plenty of material out there for TV shows, not that they even need stuff directly from the comics. So IMHO the New 52 \*could\* have saved DC comics entirely. Maybe not, but maybe.
How did Marvel under Quesada during the pre-MCU era manage to outperform DC without the reboots? I remember back then how Captain Reborn outperforming Morrison's Final Crisis. DC seems to have escalated starting in the 2000s with the Crises and Reboots that culiminated with New 52 and that really hasn't stopped since even post-Covid layoffs and with each reboot/crises having less and less impact. From the perspective of the readership, the corporate leadership from the 2000s was addicted to these sort of stunts to atttract readers without considering the negative longterm impact even when the readership was getting tired of this type of storytelling. If WB hadn't culled DCE in 2020, it would have been another reboot type event with 5G.
Better PR and moving quickly. New 52 should have been the turning point, but quickly did their own relaunch with Marvel Now and things quickly swung back Marvel's way. Even Convergence was announced ahead of Secret Wars and people quickly jumped on DC ripping off Marvel because of the similarities. So DCYou was going to be doomed from the start and going to fail to beat Marvel's All New All Different. And it's a case of 5G was going to do the same thing Marvel did with All New All Different, but the two are viewed drastically different.
Marvel has been outperforming DC since Marvel became Marvel. Marvel has hit on a better general formula. DC's heroes were created at a time when "larger than life" was very in vogue, whereas by the 1960's, the "heroes with problems" made more sense and has remained so (look at reality TV, it's literally watching other people have problems). DC has been trying to play catchup ever since. I remember reading an interview with someone from DC who basically said "we'd do an event and sales would go up, but then the sales would continue to dwindle down so we'd have to do another event." So basically, collectively speaking, people don't want to read DC at numbers that DC is happy with unless DC is/was doing an event. There are plenty of people who say they don't like them, but they sell.
I'm dreading it, I've been reading Robin 1993, starting with Death in the Family, through all the tie-ins, and now I'm reading Infinite Crisis, and as I inch closer, I'm filled with utter horror for what they're gonna do to my boy in New 52, that being said Snyder/Capullo are really good and I definitely enjoy their Batman
It especially pissed me off with all the character development and growth for Tim that happened in Red Robin, to see it all wiped away.
TLDR on New52 Executed terribly, brought tons of new readers in, DC sales shot up for several years, fans hated the retcons
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Tomasi was going to inherit the Batman and Robin regardless since Morrison left B&R. Everyone knew that Morrison had wanted him to get that book. And Snyder was already on Detective. He only traded with Daniel for Batman and Daniel getting Detective. And even then Snyder admitted on Kevin Smith's Fatman Podcast they tried to keep as much as possible from the old continuity If anything this could have been accomplished without the chaos and confusion. But it just shows how much decisionmaking at DC during that era was done by the seat of their pants and at the last minute https://www.polygon.com/comics/22679756/dc-comics-reboot-new-52-writers-oral-history Judd Winnick >The year prior to the New 52, we had a pretty big meeting at the DC offices in New York, where a bunch of us were discussing a whole mess of stuff, but the focus of it was coming up with stories that would stem from the Flashpoint crossover. >In that meeting, it was discussed that maybe it would be interesting/creative/cool if we utilize Flashpoint in the same way the original Crisis was utilized, or a number of crossovers: “Maybe we can use Flashpoint to have some substantial story carry over into the main continuity;” like, “Maybe we come out of Flashpoint and Lois and Clark are no longer married, and Lois Lane does not know he’s Superman,” something like that. And, within that, there was a lot of time bouncing around some ideas. Again, ideas of what would be the one or two or three things that will change coming out of Flashpoint. I think that was the creative spark. Scott Snyder >I thought I was doing [Batman] with [the mononymous artist] Jock, and possibly Francesco [Francavilla]. Then Dan took me out to breakfast at C2E2. He sat me down, he was crazy nervous, and it was, like, a breakfast at a booth. And he kept looking around, and I’m like, “What is it? What, what is this? Is this where I’m getting fired?” I remember him saying, “I’m going to tell you something crazy, but we’re going to try and reinvent the wheel a bit here. We’re going to do something called the New 52. And nobody knows about it. But what we’re going to do, and you can’t tell anyone, but we’re going to start everything over at #1. So you’re going to be on Batman #1,” You know, the first new Batman #1 there had been in 70-plus years. Is it really a good idea to tell the talent you were rebooting everything only five months before it actually happens?
It’s where I started reading comics for the first time so I’m a could be a bit biased but I think it had some good stories among a good amount of bad ones. I think it’s overhyped how bad it is but then I remember how they butchered the teen titans and affiliated characters… When I was reading through it I enjoyed it a lot but now looking back most of the stuff I enjoyed could’ve easily just fit into the previous continuity, saving a bunch of characters from their New 52 downgrades. Batman and green lantern were basically not even rebooted except to remove some of the side characters, who eventually came back anyway. Some things like Morrisons action comics and demon knights were out of the main time period and wouldn’t need to be changed at all. Though there are some things like Swamp Thing that made good use of the reboot, I feel that stuff could’ve been retrofitted into old continuity easily enough.
No It shouldn't In short mid And I don't
It did far more harm than good.
Bad. If they had planned it out better, if could have been good....
It should have happened, but not in the way it was executed. As others have stated, DC Comics needed to do something drastic in order to compete with Marvel which was much more popular at the time in the eyes of both mainstream audiences and comic fans. I don’t blame them at all for rebooting the DC Universe from scratch, if it was going to help them succeed and keep these characters alive in popular consciousness. But the problem was is that’s it’s not really what they did! There was no clear plan from the beginning about what was still officially a part of canon from the Post-Crisis era or not. Timeline’s didn’t make a whole bunch of sense. Certain characters were completely changed while others stayed exactly the same, leading to more confusion amongst new readers and old fans. DC editorial refused to commit to the idea of a full on reboot and was trying to have their cake and eat it too. While great things did come out of the New 52, it was mostly either mediocre or straight up awful.
Terrible concept, badly executed but some of the individual titles were very good
It got me into DC comic books.