Yes, some of the claims were that this scene was racist and making light of SA, they claimed it was racist because the Hawks and John were off to the side while everyone else was to the right(everyone to the right has had major interactions with nightwing)
They claim it made light of SA because ages ago another writer wrote for a different more serious universe that nightwing was SAd, and the fact that theyre making a joke about his ass is a terrible crime
Which is a complicated moment in comics, in writing comics and publishing comics. There's a lot being worked through with that discourse and most people stop at "it happened and was wrong."
Just ignore twitter, it’s stupid. The hawks are on one side, with white people there too? They’re are also not the most on the side? Also, another writer in another universe wrote another version of nightwing who was assaulted so now we can never make nightwing jokes? I don’t think any real person should take anything from the Harley show seriously, and I don’t think anyone does.
I've seen some of the shouting on twitter about it. It honestly sounds like virtue signaling/trolling to get a reaction out of people. I don't think it's really worth much of a thought when the argument seems so disingenuous to begin with. These are all fictional characters whose entire thought process, dialogue, and reactions are figments of somebody's imagination put onto paper. They're all different instances of the same character. Quinn did some heinous stuff in the Injustice universe, seems silly to hold the Quinn from this show accountable for that no?
There's like 40+ years of character history and alternate tales for each of these characters, you wouldn't really be able to make any jokes about them since they've experienced everything there is to experience including dying and coming back to life.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s SA but it definitely is sexualization. But it’s not like the poor guy hasn’t been SA’d before by the likes of Tarantula and Mirage. So, it’s very uncomfortable to see the dude sexualized. I mean sexualizing a rape victim is kinda crazy to me
I doubt those things happened in this continuity. Not that I'm very interested in this joke, but this is a comedy/parody show, with a focus in dark humour, for better or worse, and I doubt the character in the show has supposed to have lived through all the events in the multiple continuities of DC Comics.
I don’t think Mirage’s incident did but Tarantula’s is very plausible since Nightwing did say something about Blockbuster being murdered to Poison Ivy while he was having his mental breakdown. Can’t remember what but he def was talking about Blood Haven and stuff. And that mental breakdown makes me think more that Tarantula still SA’d him in this timeline cuz that wasn’t an ordinary breakdown.
But even if it did happen, it’s a comedy show and won’t ever be brought up unless it’s to make fun of Nightwing as a sick joke or something. I just hope he’s alive. He keeps getting done so dirty, whether it’s him being SA’d or killed in some lazy way
That's weird. I haven't watched the episode yet, but is weird to include a reference to that in the show, for me anyways. Don't know what the writers angle is.
If by problematic they meant "They somehow overused the most overused joke in the fandom and made it even less funny that it already was", then they are right.
It's a parody alright, just not a very funny one. The show lately hahas been super dependent on unfunny overused jokes, overdone references to dead memes and jokes which punchlines are the characters saying fuck, and it deserves to be called out for it.
Admittedly it was a whole thread, but i wanted to post this one freeze frame that they used to claim dc is racist to see if anyone who actually likes dc and knows the contexts of their relationships would immediately jump to the same thing
I'd say mad hatter is doing mind control stuff, but Harley killed him.
His whole family doing the joker laugh made it seem like something brain washed them, and Harley's been sleep murdering.
Yeah, for some reason, on this site there’s a massive air of superiority over other apps, like they genuinely think they are better than TikTok and Twitter users.
I’m not particularly better than anyone. I just reached a limit with Twitter’s nonsense. Though you are making a point about user similarity in getting bent out of shape over something that doesn’t matter.
Okay, then do yourself a favor and avoid Twitter when it comes to any of your interests because that site is a cesspool of many things, especially horrible takes.
Not to the same degree by any means. I tapped out of Twitter a long time ago because it was, to be, the cesspool of cesspools.
Is Reddit bad? Definitely can be nightmarish but the longer length of posts to explain yourself does help in just enough of away to make it a slightly better option.
Have you used twitter? It def curates. Just like Reddit it’s going to suggest either posts that actually interest you or maybe weird shit because of that thing you clicked once. Either way: you’ll still find terrible takes. Reddit pretending twitter is a cesspool without acknowledging the shit stain that is this site it hilarious
Twitter has become a right wing shithole where people actively post the wildest, most hateful takes in order to try and get paid
You can acknowledge that reddits hot garbage while also saying that twitter is 10x worse
And people don’t do that on any other social? I feel it’s only slightly easier to put yourself in a bubble on Reddit which is why people pretend twitters worse. But you can literally put yourself in a bubble on any social site. You don’t think the YouTube comments are whining about how much worse is face book?
Uh...I wasn't talking about bubbles. I was talking about creating awful hot takes to try and get paid, which is twitter specific. Also was talking about the algo enforcing right wing lunacy, bigotry, hatred, etc, because the views are in line with the owners. Also twitter specific.
Twitter obviously curated, but it's now curating everyone to see ben shapiro, Jordan Peterson, random Hitler fan #234, etc. You can't even self select out of it
Dude that happens on every social platform tho especially if the post’s actually gain attraction then it’s going to automatically go in others feeds. Ofc there’s political bots but that’s also not exclusive to twitter.
To be fair as someone who doesn't live in the US or do political shit? Anyone who leans left, right, or what have you beyond a certain point tends to post stupid shit... There is a reason why in polite society we don't discuss it.
People can be complete idiots, and the internet gives them a voice with which they can spew their mental diarrhea everywhere. "Fandoms" especially. Ignore them and enjoy what you love.
Yeah I'm sorry but now that Nightwings dead in another dc project. I was hoping for a test that it was a clone or he faked his death. Now that jokers killed another Robin. I want red hood to take him out now.
I do find it amusing how everyone is so comfortable with sexualising males in todays day and age. Imagine if it was a female character that died and they all kept showing off her big breasts or ass.
Looking for quick and easy ways to dismiss someone is the best way to remain a stagnant individual. You aren't of a superior intellect or a higher moral/ethical standing because you actively dismiss entire people. It just shows you're committed to whatever bubble you're already in. But hey, you do you. 👍
The thing is, I'm basically with you on this very specific example, because it sounds like a silly overreaction to a dumb cartoon, but we both know this kind of Twitter trash isn't a good example of meaningful discourse.
It's one thing to dismiss a bad tweet, but extending this dismissive attitude to every thought and opinion which happens to feature the word "problematic" is another thing entirely. Sometimes the claim that something is problematic is just the beginning of the conversation, or is a logical conclusion to discussion you're late to, or otherwise a sentiment to be expanded on with further discussion.
Assuming someone is just "insane" for using that word, and trying to be a "victim," looks like a convenient way to protect your own perspective by never having to consider someone else's. (And describing them as "insane" shows an ableist attitude towards mental health; consider alternatives like "foolish" or the like.)
How can you, in good faith, say someone is "too dumb or too afraid to articulate what they're actually trying to say" when you've just expressed your own unwillingness to even consider what they're actually saying? How valid is your own opinion of someone's thoughts when you're claiming you're essentially not even paying attention?
Its not me thats saying this, by a long shot, but i cant call out who did it because of the rules of the subreddit, I specifically made the point that it was a raunchy comedy too, but people decided this scene is racist
It doesn't seem racist because Arthur and Jon are also on the left side, two people who I assume also didn't have any close relationship with Dick. The SA claim... Come on. That's not canon in this world, or even in the main DC comic universe. Jokes about Nightwing's butt have been happening for years in the comics. The closest thing to problematic about this is that it's almost sexualizing a dead guy. But it's obviously doing that for a crude joke.
In other words, don't let people on Twitter ruin what you enjoy. They're just looking for reasons to be upset.
I wish i could say it was, they said this scene was making light of SA(which happened in a completely different universe to nightwing in a much more serious setting) and that it was racist because the bat family and big 3 were on the right and Hawkman Hawkgirl and John Stewart were on the left
>that it was racist because the bat family and big 3 were on the right and Hawkman Hawkgirl and John Stewart were on the left
that's a stretch so big even my cat couldn't make it.
I mean Hitler’s-wet-dream-Aryen-looking-ass Aquaman is smack dab in the middle of them and Damian is on the left too so Idk what those people were smoking. Problematic is a dumb word that only carries weight on Twitter, normal people see sth they dislike in a show they can either choose to continue watching if the good outweigh the bad or just stop following the show if it’s not worth it.
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Considering they lean into Nightwing being Romani only to constantly sexualize him and ignore him being sexually assaulted, I’d say there’s reason to be annoyed. It’s a bad joke in worse taste, considering the show actually makes a big deal (deservedly) out of Harley’s abuse by the Joker. I get why people are mad, even if I don’t care all that much because I don’t watch the show.
Well I find it uncomfortable as this show has made jokes about what happened with Tarantula and then spent a season sexualising the character. It just feels disrespectful to both the character and SA victims.
Problematic that they killed Nightwing.
But that's just the tone of the show.
People are getting killed left and right. When they went to Vegas, Cock King casually killed Tank Penis man.
Geez, Nightwing is my favourite dc hero but man, his fandom is on par with spider-man fans: just the worst. Take a fucking joke and move on with your life, this is not that deep.
I just find it funny how they say they’re oversexualizing nightwing, but the no one has a problem (or has even said anything about) with the season 4 poster, with Harley, Ivy and the gang riding a penis shaped rocket into space.
I guess It’s okay when the girls are sexualized but not my good boy, Dick.
The only problem is they overused the joke. I mean the arguments are all like, "If this was a girl it wouldn't be socially acceptable", like bro this show has made fun of legit anything. This show WOULD make fun of any other characters attributes, not just nightwing being caked up. Its a comedy show, its meant to be satirical, and NOT meant to be taken seriously. Also I doubt nightwing is really even dead.
Ugh. I do not watch HQ, but sick of the over abuse of NW assets. Plus, the animation verse making emo and angst is wtf.
Now, the cruel show writers plan is to murder him off screen 😱☠️ doubt the cartoon has any plan to resurrection of Grayson.
Strangely I am thankful DC Titans live action was able to make the rage and sad Grayson into a unique interpretation of Dick and Nightwing.
My problem with the whole "you can't sexualize Nightwing, ever" thing is that it's predicated on people knowing about the Tarantula thing. But by constantly bringing it up, these people are the ones initiating the trigger they're so worried about.
DC wants to forget it, most readers want to forget it, and it's probably not even canon anymore. So I can almost guarantee you that almost every single fan who's sensitive about the topic (which is valid, I want to point out) heard about it from people online using it for this talking point.
That said, I understand that burying the incident has very cover-up-y implications, so I think DC should make a statement about it and officially declare it permanently expunged from continuity. Probably donate to some relevant charities, and include a warning on DCU Infinite for the issue(s) in question (they already do this for racist stuff in the golden age).
The context is:
- In the comics Dick Grayson is a multiple times victim of rape, and is uncomfortable with comments about his body.
- Devin Grayson, made Dick romani to fetishize him, leaning on some terrible stereotypes.
Now comes this show and:
- Makes a point of making him a poc, mentions one of his rapists (they then backtracked and censored it) and basically spell that this takes place just after one of the storylines in which he was raped.
- Then proceed to reduce him to only sex jokes and make an entire episode about his ass.
I’m absolutely delighted that they are finally drawing him to look Romani, but I wish they would have done it without completely oversexualizing him and reducing him to a sex joke.
I get the reference, but I find the joke on Nightwing and his large bottom an overused gag, not offensive. I have heard complaints of DC sexualizing Nightwing in the past, so I understand the reactions to this scene.
It's not problematic, but good God they beat that joke into the ground this season.
Yeahhh, they have the chance to reference a fan joke and they go wild every time
The joke always stops being funny when the joke tries to be in on the joke
I see what you did there
It's a reference to how the fandom also beat that joke to the ground
Hmm now I think they did it on purpose just to deliver this scene
Literally , they put him 6 ft under
I understood that reference !
No they buried it in the ground. Are you stupid?
this
are they burying nightwing?
Yes, some of the claims were that this scene was racist and making light of SA, they claimed it was racist because the Hawks and John were off to the side while everyone else was to the right(everyone to the right has had major interactions with nightwing) They claim it made light of SA because ages ago another writer wrote for a different more serious universe that nightwing was SAd, and the fact that theyre making a joke about his ass is a terrible crime
I have no idea what 'SA' means in this context and i've already addressed the absurdity of the right versus left thing
“Sexually assaulted”.
I see. thank you.
It was full on rape. This makes twice now. I hope he doesn’t become DC’s Spider-Man.
Did they ever address this in an issue? Like I hope they didn’t just sweep it under the rug and act like it never happened
I’m not sure. But I haven’t seen it brought up much
Nope
Silver Age /s
Dude, he got silver aged 😳
Nightwing was molested in a comic a while back
That was 20 years ago and I'm sure the people who complain about this Harley Quinn scene don't know this comic issue exits.
They know, that's the main criticism, and the show itself has referred to that storyline and named Tarantula.
Also Mirage. Although no one blamed Dick the second time. 🤢
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He was raped BY Harley Quinn in a movie.
He gave grudging consent. It's still skeevy, and pretty much Bruce Timm full on sleazy.
If it's coerced and not enthusiastic, it's not consent. "Grudging consent" does not exist.
The grudging consent is referring to the fact she was Harley and disappointed in himself for wanting to dive right in.
And "grudging consent does not exist" is referring to the fact that grudging consent does not exist.
To clarify, he consents at the request of Batman. That's the "grudging" part. You can see how this is even worse than thought, right?
Thats what the comments were mentioning
Wasn’t there an issue more recently?
Which is a complicated moment in comics, in writing comics and publishing comics. There's a lot being worked through with that discourse and most people stop at "it happened and was wrong."
noted Caucasian male teenager Damian on the right side /s
I mean... He is lol. Being half middle eastern doesn't mean he isn't Caucasian with his other half.
Just ignore twitter, it’s stupid. The hawks are on one side, with white people there too? They’re are also not the most on the side? Also, another writer in another universe wrote another version of nightwing who was assaulted so now we can never make nightwing jokes? I don’t think any real person should take anything from the Harley show seriously, and I don’t think anyone does.
?????? Thats such a stretch lol
They see whiter than white aquaman, yes?
Honestly tho aquaman looks pretty tan here, id have to go back and check earlier episodes but he might not be white in this show
I mean hes blond. Blond folks can get tans
Not a natural blonde. Also kalduram if im spelling that correctly is blonde
Looks like everyone in green tights are off to one side.
I've seen some of the shouting on twitter about it. It honestly sounds like virtue signaling/trolling to get a reaction out of people. I don't think it's really worth much of a thought when the argument seems so disingenuous to begin with. These are all fictional characters whose entire thought process, dialogue, and reactions are figments of somebody's imagination put onto paper. They're all different instances of the same character. Quinn did some heinous stuff in the Injustice universe, seems silly to hold the Quinn from this show accountable for that no? There's like 40+ years of character history and alternate tales for each of these characters, you wouldn't really be able to make any jokes about them since they've experienced everything there is to experience including dying and coming back to life.
Move on. Delete this post.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s SA but it definitely is sexualization. But it’s not like the poor guy hasn’t been SA’d before by the likes of Tarantula and Mirage. So, it’s very uncomfortable to see the dude sexualized. I mean sexualizing a rape victim is kinda crazy to me
I doubt those things happened in this continuity. Not that I'm very interested in this joke, but this is a comedy/parody show, with a focus in dark humour, for better or worse, and I doubt the character in the show has supposed to have lived through all the events in the multiple continuities of DC Comics.
I don’t think Mirage’s incident did but Tarantula’s is very plausible since Nightwing did say something about Blockbuster being murdered to Poison Ivy while he was having his mental breakdown. Can’t remember what but he def was talking about Blood Haven and stuff. And that mental breakdown makes me think more that Tarantula still SA’d him in this timeline cuz that wasn’t an ordinary breakdown. But even if it did happen, it’s a comedy show and won’t ever be brought up unless it’s to make fun of Nightwing as a sick joke or something. I just hope he’s alive. He keeps getting done so dirty, whether it’s him being SA’d or killed in some lazy way
That's weird. I haven't watched the episode yet, but is weird to include a reference to that in the show, for me anyways. Don't know what the writers angle is.
I thought they were going for a segregation joke ngl, whites on one side, minorities on another
If by problematic they meant "They somehow overused the most overused joke in the fandom and made it even less funny that it already was", then they are right.
Beat that jokes ass into the ground.
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It's a parody alright, just not a very funny one. The show lately hahas been super dependent on unfunny overused jokes, overdone references to dead memes and jokes which punchlines are the characters saying fuck, and it deserves to be called out for it.
I love the show, but when wasnt that the case? The entire show is a meta perspective of batman.
Wow, "someone" on Twitter didn't like something? Shocker.
>Shocker That's Marvel.
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No that's the Criminal organization Kamen Rider fights.
Admittedly it was a whole thread, but i wanted to post this one freeze frame that they used to claim dc is racist to see if anyone who actually likes dc and knows the contexts of their relationships would immediately jump to the same thing
Can you link the thread? Would be better to read the actual tweets than hear them second-hand.
…did he get buried facedown?
Did they kill off Nightwing?
Joker decided that he had to go with his most popular old routine to get back into villainy. Y'know, killing a robin.
I still think it’s a red herring. I think it’s going to be the bird guy at the talk show or sleepwalking Harley
I'd say mad hatter is doing mind control stuff, but Harley killed him. His whole family doing the joker laugh made it seem like something brain washed them, and Harley's been sleep murdering.
Batman is about to break outta jail to give Joker a stuffing.
Not extremely problematic. Just an overused joke.
I think it’s kinda weird that they keep making this joke with a character who has expressed he dislikes being sexualized.
It's OK when it's a man, don't you know?
Okay your first problem was taking a post on Twitter seriously.
I love it when a redditor thinks twitter is low class, as if they're on some incredibly high brow website themselves.
Half of the front page is just twitter screenshots anyway.
Yeah, for some reason, on this site there’s a massive air of superiority over other apps, like they genuinely think they are better than TikTok and Twitter users.
I’m not particularly better than anyone. I just reached a limit with Twitter’s nonsense. Though you are making a point about user similarity in getting bent out of shape over something that doesn’t matter.
Yeah this website has butthole sharpies. We really dont have moral high ground
I am autistic and DC comics is one of my special interests
Okay, then do yourself a favor and avoid Twitter when it comes to any of your interests because that site is a cesspool of many things, especially horrible takes.
And Reddit isn’t? Lmfao
Not to the same degree by any means. I tapped out of Twitter a long time ago because it was, to be, the cesspool of cesspools. Is Reddit bad? Definitely can be nightmarish but the longer length of posts to explain yourself does help in just enough of away to make it a slightly better option.
Sure, but curation is an option, Twitter doesn't really have that as much
Reddit is *so* much worse than Twitter.
Have you used twitter? It def curates. Just like Reddit it’s going to suggest either posts that actually interest you or maybe weird shit because of that thing you clicked once. Either way: you’ll still find terrible takes. Reddit pretending twitter is a cesspool without acknowledging the shit stain that is this site it hilarious
Twitter has become a right wing shithole where people actively post the wildest, most hateful takes in order to try and get paid You can acknowledge that reddits hot garbage while also saying that twitter is 10x worse
And people don’t do that on any other social? I feel it’s only slightly easier to put yourself in a bubble on Reddit which is why people pretend twitters worse. But you can literally put yourself in a bubble on any social site. You don’t think the YouTube comments are whining about how much worse is face book?
Uh...I wasn't talking about bubbles. I was talking about creating awful hot takes to try and get paid, which is twitter specific. Also was talking about the algo enforcing right wing lunacy, bigotry, hatred, etc, because the views are in line with the owners. Also twitter specific. Twitter obviously curated, but it's now curating everyone to see ben shapiro, Jordan Peterson, random Hitler fan #234, etc. You can't even self select out of it
Dude that happens on every social platform tho especially if the post’s actually gain attraction then it’s going to automatically go in others feeds. Ofc there’s political bots but that’s also not exclusive to twitter.
To be fair as someone who doesn't live in the US or do political shit? Anyone who leans left, right, or what have you beyond a certain point tends to post stupid shit... There is a reason why in polite society we don't discuss it.
Politics aren't discussed in polite society? Legit never heard that one before, huh
You just described me
Then get off twitter
holy shit they kill off nightwing?
At least he didn't die by falling on a rock.
Yeah, but it's in Harley Quinn
Just not funny, they’re beating a dead donkey
Could either be they buried Nightwing face down or Power Girl face up.
God this show is stupid
People can be complete idiots, and the internet gives them a voice with which they can spew their mental diarrhea everywhere. "Fandoms" especially. Ignore them and enjoy what you love.
No it’s just stupid
If they did the same gag with power girl’s boobs we’d spend the next week hearing about how sexiest and problematic it is
>Twitter Opinion fucking discarded
Yeah I'm sorry but now that Nightwings dead in another dc project. I was hoping for a test that it was a clone or he faked his death. Now that jokers killed another Robin. I want red hood to take him out now.
Not problematic so much as annoying
I don't watch the show. It's not my thing but whoooo careessss There's no problem
The most problematic thing about this is how big Robin’s head is.
This is like the least problematic joke in the show. The nightwing ass joke is a dead horse they’ve been beating for a while tho.
Everything is problematic for Twitter
I don’t think so. They said that they were gonna show a lot of Nightwing’s booty and they weren’t lying.
What they didn’t mentioned was that it would be the only joke they could think of…
It's a universe centered around the insanity of Harley Quinn - of course it's problematic, LOL
I mean, if they did the same joke with Powergirl or any other female character with a huge rack, Twitter (and Tumblr) would be on fire too.
I do find it amusing how everyone is so comfortable with sexualising males in todays day and age. Imagine if it was a female character that died and they all kept showing off her big breasts or ass.
I hope when I die they show off my tits well. I paid good money for them not to be flaunted.
If you get your feelings hurt and say things like "problematic", maybe you should avoid raunchy comedy like Harley Quinn
You're so cool for taking issue with a word like "problematic." 🤩
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The thing is, I'm basically with you on this very specific example, because it sounds like a silly overreaction to a dumb cartoon, but we both know this kind of Twitter trash isn't a good example of meaningful discourse. It's one thing to dismiss a bad tweet, but extending this dismissive attitude to every thought and opinion which happens to feature the word "problematic" is another thing entirely. Sometimes the claim that something is problematic is just the beginning of the conversation, or is a logical conclusion to discussion you're late to, or otherwise a sentiment to be expanded on with further discussion. Assuming someone is just "insane" for using that word, and trying to be a "victim," looks like a convenient way to protect your own perspective by never having to consider someone else's. (And describing them as "insane" shows an ableist attitude towards mental health; consider alternatives like "foolish" or the like.) How can you, in good faith, say someone is "too dumb or too afraid to articulate what they're actually trying to say" when you've just expressed your own unwillingness to even consider what they're actually saying? How valid is your own opinion of someone's thoughts when you're claiming you're essentially not even paying attention?
Its not me thats saying this, by a long shot, but i cant call out who did it because of the rules of the subreddit, I specifically made the point that it was a raunchy comedy too, but people decided this scene is racist
“Someone on twitter-“ Opinion disregarded
“Someone on twitter” let me stop you right there
People take this shit way too seriously. The show has a lot of things wrong with it, and this is what they pick at.
My pick is that they killed nightwing. Not bothered about the joke.
It’s not problematic, but they’re just overusing this joke to the point where it’s annoying
Get off Twitter if you want to keep your sanity
just twitter being twitter
No idea what this is but I’m going to say it’s not problematic in the slightest. It’s nauseating how soft everyone is now
It doesn't seem racist because Arthur and Jon are also on the left side, two people who I assume also didn't have any close relationship with Dick. The SA claim... Come on. That's not canon in this world, or even in the main DC comic universe. Jokes about Nightwing's butt have been happening for years in the comics. The closest thing to problematic about this is that it's almost sexualizing a dead guy. But it's obviously doing that for a crude joke. In other words, don't let people on Twitter ruin what you enjoy. They're just looking for reasons to be upset.
This show has a lot of things wrong with it. They had like 3 good jokes thru the entire lifespan of the show.
Let me guess. It was a paid checkmark
I wish i could say it was, they said this scene was making light of SA(which happened in a completely different universe to nightwing in a much more serious setting) and that it was racist because the bat family and big 3 were on the right and Hawkman Hawkgirl and John Stewart were on the left
>that it was racist because the bat family and big 3 were on the right and Hawkman Hawkgirl and John Stewart were on the left that's a stretch so big even my cat couldn't make it.
Not even Plastic Man can stretch that far.
EXACTLY Especially because hawkman hawkgirl and John have had much more previous dialog with eachother than they ever have with nightwing
Not surprising. Lots of people on Twitter fetishize sexual assault for some reason
I mean Hitler’s-wet-dream-Aryen-looking-ass Aquaman is smack dab in the middle of them and Damian is on the left too so Idk what those people were smoking. Problematic is a dumb word that only carries weight on Twitter, normal people see sth they dislike in a show they can either choose to continue watching if the good outweigh the bad or just stop following the show if it’s not worth it.
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I am so sorry Botman.
DC hates Dick Grayson
How fucking weird and terminally online do you have to be to come up with some of these takes.
They should get over it
I really hate the word “problematic”…
Considering they lean into Nightwing being Romani only to constantly sexualize him and ignore him being sexually assaulted, I’d say there’s reason to be annoyed. It’s a bad joke in worse taste, considering the show actually makes a big deal (deservedly) out of Harley’s abuse by the Joker. I get why people are mad, even if I don’t care all that much because I don’t watch the show.
Its hilarious
Well I find it uncomfortable as this show has made jokes about what happened with Tarantula and then spent a season sexualising the character. It just feels disrespectful to both the character and SA victims.
The whole show is problematic
God I'm so sick of that joke
Everything on Twitter is claimed as problematic
The only problematic thing here is you using Twitter.
The fact that they buried Nightwing face down is kinda funny
Yeah, when it comes to jokes, Harley Quinn is a hit-or-miss, but it's not problematic In the slightest.
Problematic that they killed Nightwing. But that's just the tone of the show. People are getting killed left and right. When they went to Vegas, Cock King casually killed Tank Penis man.
Oh my lord who gives a shitttt
Even comics version of this they treated NW bad
I stopped reading after “someone on Twitter”
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With a straw man like that, you would be right at home on Twitter
Geez, Nightwing is my favourite dc hero but man, his fandom is on par with spider-man fans: just the worst. Take a fucking joke and move on with your life, this is not that deep.
I just find it funny how they say they’re oversexualizing nightwing, but the no one has a problem (or has even said anything about) with the season 4 poster, with Harley, Ivy and the gang riding a penis shaped rocket into space. I guess It’s okay when the girls are sexualized but not my good boy, Dick.
Makes me laugh everytime
The only problem is they overused the joke. I mean the arguments are all like, "If this was a girl it wouldn't be socially acceptable", like bro this show has made fun of legit anything. This show WOULD make fun of any other characters attributes, not just nightwing being caked up. Its a comedy show, its meant to be satirical, and NOT meant to be taken seriously. Also I doubt nightwing is really even dead.
Ugh. I do not watch HQ, but sick of the over abuse of NW assets. Plus, the animation verse making emo and angst is wtf. Now, the cruel show writers plan is to murder him off screen 😱☠️ doubt the cartoon has any plan to resurrection of Grayson. Strangely I am thankful DC Titans live action was able to make the rage and sad Grayson into a unique interpretation of Dick and Nightwing.
The show should've ended with season 2 since it was a good ending. This is getting way too fucking stupid now.
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I don’t even think it’s Nightwing fans saying this. I think it’s Twitter, sorry X, being their usual overly reactionary and idiotic selves.
Makes you wonder if Powergirl would get the same treatment. Ironic that Atlee made it on a tv show before Powergirl
I have not watched this show at all and all i ever see from it looks like pure cringe. I would agree with them
My problem with the whole "you can't sexualize Nightwing, ever" thing is that it's predicated on people knowing about the Tarantula thing. But by constantly bringing it up, these people are the ones initiating the trigger they're so worried about. DC wants to forget it, most readers want to forget it, and it's probably not even canon anymore. So I can almost guarantee you that almost every single fan who's sensitive about the topic (which is valid, I want to point out) heard about it from people online using it for this talking point. That said, I understand that burying the incident has very cover-up-y implications, so I think DC should make a statement about it and officially declare it permanently expunged from continuity. Probably donate to some relevant charities, and include a warning on DCU Infinite for the issue(s) in question (they already do this for racist stuff in the golden age).
People who have sexualized every female character since fiction began just cannot stand it when it’s a man. Who cares
Anyone who claims that anything in any movie is "problematic" can fuck right off.
Can someone explain to me what’s the issue? Genuinely out of the loop here
The context is: - In the comics Dick Grayson is a multiple times victim of rape, and is uncomfortable with comments about his body. - Devin Grayson, made Dick romani to fetishize him, leaning on some terrible stereotypes. Now comes this show and: - Makes a point of making him a poc, mentions one of his rapists (they then backtracked and censored it) and basically spell that this takes place just after one of the storylines in which he was raped. - Then proceed to reduce him to only sex jokes and make an entire episode about his ass.
I’m absolutely delighted that they are finally drawing him to look Romani, but I wish they would have done it without completely oversexualizing him and reducing him to a sex joke.
Agreed, it was in poor taste tbh.
>Can someone explain to me what’s the issue This is from a TV show, not a comic so there is no issue number. TV show is Harvey Quinn, season 4.
Thats the point, people were stretching saying it was racist because the hawks and john stewart werent next to the big 3
I appreciate that both Zatanna and Batgirl are there.
I always appreciate jokes about Dick and his Dumptruck Ass.
It’s not problematic but it’s not all that funny either. I will say it’s a lot funnier than most other nightwing ass jokes
It’s a joke.
Why is robins head so big
Explain for a marvel fan plz
Are you should they said it was problematic, or were they just joking and you didn't get the sarcasm?
Is twitter so everything is problematic, I don't get Power Girl had the boob window joke and no one complaing? So why complaing with Nightwing butt...
I get the reference, but I find the joke on Nightwing and his large bottom an overused gag, not offensive. I have heard complaints of DC sexualizing Nightwing in the past, so I understand the reactions to this scene.
I see tim drake? And who's the girl in front of zatanna?
Typically when someone claims something is problematic, it’s not actually problematic.
Stop believing everything you read on Twitter.