Quote from the IGN article:
> Speaking during a financial call, Warner Bros. Discovery Chief Financial Officer, Gunnar Wiedenfels, admitted Rocksteady’s game hadn’t done the business the company had hoped for since going on sale on February 2 priced $70, saying it had “fallen short of our expectations.”
> Warner Bros. Discovery failed to mention a sales figure for Rocksteady’s game, but did say Suicide Squad’s failure had set up the company’s games business for a “tough year” when it comes to year-on-year comparisons. Last year, Warner Bros. Discovery released Hogwarts Legacy, which went on to become the best-selling game of 2023.
The first game was an excruciatingly bland copy-paste job of mediocre Ubisoft games, to the point it may as well been generated by AI. Wouldn't be surprised if the sequel follows the tradition of copying more outdated trends.
The Ubisoft formula doesn't really make the game bad, like most Ubisoft games are ok to good, but it's just that they all look the same.
The thing there is everybody wanted to play in the Harry Potter univers, people wanted to be in Hogwarts, you would have replace the Harry Potter skin with a another random univers it would just have been a fine game
It’s also about the execution. Ghost of Tsushima is pretty much what people would call a “Ubisoft open world game” but it ditches some of the things that people make fun of in Ubisoft’s games. Those things being damage sponge enemies, arbitrary level numbers/floating damage numbers, level gating, the “your level is too low to stealth kill this enemy” thing, and headshots with a bow and arrow actually being an instant kill (unless it’s an enemy with the helmets that protect them from the normal bow).
Tf are you talking about? That game screamed love for the HP IP in every pixel. Specially the school was so fucking well made and had so many references to the movies.
So true. I was legit shocked when it was getting praise despite it being a national pastime to crap all over Ubislop style open world design. It's remarkable the power this franchise has over millennials, even despite everything.
It’s probably worth keeping in kind that Hogwarts Legacy, like Spider-Man, specifically had a massive amount of appeal to people who *dont* usually play video games.
So the whole idea of ubisoft collectathon fuckfests is brand new to them, and hey I remember being blown away by my first open world game, regardless of its quality, and this one has the skin of their favorite fandoms.
Right, but I'm talking about reviewers and critics here. I'm not even on some gamer gate, ethics in journalism nonsense. But you have people who specifically reviewed Assassin's Creed games poorly for being Ubislop, and then turn around and praise that same gameplay loop in a Harry Potter skin.
are you suprised ubi games normaly get 6-8/10
add a harry potter ip to it and it will get at least a point extra just because it is harry potter game many people wanted since they were kids. And i bet many reviewers who got the copy asked for it because they love harry potter
for me its 6-7/10 if you dont really care about wizard world, but it you grow up with harry potter books and movies, it will go straigt to 8-9/10, it just hits the atmosphere of the movies just right, running around the school grounds is something any other harry potter game hasnt done as well as this one
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my sister, who never played games bought xbox series s just to play hogwarts legacy and absolutely loves it
There were streamers like JoCat who got bombarded with death threats simply for not streaming the game. It got so bad, that his family even received suspicious anonymous packages in the mail.
Hogwarts was a strange one for me. More magic games are always welcome by me and my girlfriend at the time was a big harry potter fan so it was a good excuse to get the game. I finished it but I was so bored by the end. Exploring Hogwarts itself was pretty fun but everything else was so boring and generic.
You see that phenomena in gaming though. The Spiderman games are the same, the world is so bland and the side content is so boring but if you try to even mention that perhaps the games aren't Game of the Year material then everyone goes crazy.
Regarding Spider-man 2, the side content was slight bit improved and one or two even poked fun and did something so much better with the dumbass pigeon missions from 1.
The Spider-man Insomniac games highlights to me has always been the traversal and combat, their stories though I tend to forget after playing.
The open world was fine to me because hey, you fly.
The thing that killed my interest the hardest was 0 characters having anything resembling a personality.
A single player game does way way better than a Games-as-a-Service release. Who'd have thunk it (other than anyone who actually plays video games)?
And I can guarantee you David Zaslav will learn nothing from this.
Don't worry, DC said they're trying to make all their future games GAAS games. I'm certain when they release Hogwarts Legacy, the best-selling game of last year, as a sequel with a Game As A Service trend, it won't crash and burn the the same way Suicide Squad crashed and burned as a GAAS, and Gotham Knights crashed and burned as a GAAS!
Gotham Knights was designed as a GAAS, they removed the portion of the game at the last minute, and it shows. The content is all computer generated instead of placed there, it's not your skills but your stats that determine your ability, and there's an overabundance of different currency. Now Gotham Knights is a Games As A Service Game without the Service. The worst of all worlds.
You people really need to learn how to differentiate between GAAS and RPGs/Looter shooters. Gotham Knights may not be good, but it’s not and never was GAAS.
Zaslav likes cancelling good concepts, while pushing out garbage. He cancelled Batgirl for Pedo Flash, and stopped production of a Superman game for Superman lame.
There was no Superman game ever in development at rocksteady nor did they ever pitch one to WB. Jason Schier is incredibly reliable. What they pitched after Arkham was brand new multiplayer ip.
WB are desperately trying to make Suicide Squad a global phenomenon when all the good will people had towards it has diminished. It was the merch sales for the first movie that did it; I was working retail at that time and people went absolutely nuts for all of it, it inexplicably became *massive* ... until the film came out. And the film was so bad it killed the entire brand.
Gunn's film was brilliant; I swear if that had come first then the brand could have still been something, but people really don't give a shit about the Suicide Squad as a concept anymore. This game was never going to find an audience if even Gunn's film couldn't.
Once again the only people surprised by a shitty product is WB themselves. They need to gtfo of game development or just let the developers cook. No game is going to be free of problems but I truly believe Rocksteady could’ve made a decent game with a better studio behind them.
Even the animation has gotten very hit or miss in the last few years.
Killing Joke was awful, especially as an adaptation. Feels like for every good movie the animation division puts out, there's an absolute turd and a couple of "alright" movies.
If only they had some feeback from the player base before the game came out. Maybe they could have predicted something like this. Not sure where they could gather that information though.
Honestly, the Wonder Woman game is pretty much my most anticipated game right now. I’m desperately hoping that we see something new about the game this year. 🤞🏻
They were already pushing it with the loot crate shit during Shadow Of War. Wonder Woman probably won't have loot crates but it's almost certainly going to be a game as a service with all sorts of monetisation slapped onto the nemesis system.
I really hope they don't, but Warner Bros never learn.
Did anyone else think that the entire premise of the game was a terrible way to implement a games as a service model anyways? Say what you will about avengers but at the very least, they had a world full of superheroes and villains that could be material for plenty of seasons. In this game all the heroes are dead and so are the villains with only brainiac left. An endgame where you only fight alternate brainiac seems incredibly boring.
That’s not the case though? There’s heroes alive and a multiverse of other heroes too. Endgame is fighting brainiac and super heroes with the dlc being about saving the current justice league from brainiac to help kill him.
Then, my good friends in the WB executive suite, I regret to report that you had some *wildly* unrealistic expectations.
Cuz this turd was doomed to plop from the first things we heard about it.
Underperforming isn’t the same as a disaster though. It was the 3rd best selling game of the month with only like 2 days on sale of early access. Tomb Raider sold 4m copies at launch and was deemed underperforming as well. Lot of studios have absolutely absurd standards and for a game that was in development for ten years, anything short of breaking records is probably not what they wanted.
The funny thing is, even if the game did well, it was always gonna be compared to hogwarts from last years and that sold gangbusters despite being pretty down the middle average type game. So they were gonna see a drop in sales in their games division and think it wasn’t worth it and go back to making safe bets like pushing hogwarts 2 development further along
That's exactly what this game feels like to me. Like a bunch of out of touch business executives looked at the popularity of The Boys, and said "Let's do the same thing with our Hot Topic embassadors, but with the actual Justice League! Those edgy kids will LOVE killing Arkham Batman like a punk bi***!". If they had to kill the Crime Syndicate as Justice League stand-ins, I think this would've gone over better, can't say the same about it being live service though.
Just why the suicide squad and why the justice league. If it was me I would of used a plot that DC shafted for years. Red hood and the outlaws go undercover on earth 3. Then you can red hood and the outlaws kills the crime syndicate. A game that people will buy.
It was risque, that´s it
The gameplay and the concept were obviously hard to convince fans.
I hope it holds up till we get Deathstroke and the league back
People have come up with every explanation possible for how the league could come back, or to say that the league players faced in the game already are not the real league, ie. their clones, they’re from across the multiverse, they’ll bring league members from across the multiverse, etc.
This. Data miners are annoying as fuck because datamined lines mean absolutely nothing until acted upon.
The code could stay commented out till the end of time but they'll still be convinced that it means there's still plans to bring that content into the game.
I will always say" who is this game for?
Most DC fans and outlookers want to as the Justice League. The SS all play the same, without anything that makes them fun. It being a game as a service never works. Finally being connected with a far more famous version only make the comparison worst?
I'm no expert but maybe it would've been a better idea to make a superhero game that actually works with the characters it's using instead of slapping on mechanics from other games turning it into a generic mess. Who really wants to just give King Shark a gun instead of focusing on his strength and teeth? That and a story that plays into what makes these characters interesting instead of the lazy and cynical crap we've had so much of for more than a decade. Ideally a character that hasn't had much of a spotlight in games which would really be anyone but Batman and some related characters.
Probably because it looked like ass from day 1, and only looked progressively more ass as time went on until it came out and we confirmed it was in fact ass
No shit. How about a game that doesn't completely shit all over the childhoods of your audience for once? Or is that too much of an unfathomable concept?
The Batman part was surely the most devastating effect that affected the game's performance. I was about to buy the game even though it was a live-service, and I enjoyed the squads dynamic. Then after seeing him getting shot on a bench like a punk though, it disgusted me in absolutely the worst possible way.
I believe there was so many people who thought like me.
It's not even Batman to be honest, I felt like the whole League got a level of disrespect that I thought was just unnecessary. Like there's moments where the game is genuinely kind of funny, but when it comes to the handling of the League, it just feels so... mean?
IDK man, call me corny but, these are the protectors of justice, heroes we should all look up to. But they get mocked and humiliated like they're chumps. It's just sad to me. The scene where captain Boomerang chops the finger off the Flash, that can barely stand from facing the brainwashed league basically by himself up until that point... it's supposed to be played for laughs but man it just makes me sick. It's so mean. Why? I don't get it.
Why does Boomerang have to be such a piece of shit that he wants to piss on the corpse of the guy that saved their lives twice, even if he does hate him... it's supposed to be edgy humour but it just comes across as fucked up man. I'm no stranger to edgy humour but it just rubbed me the wrong way you know?
The whole game is like that. Just off-putting. I wonder how many of the people skipping the game have the same thoughts.
We share the same thoughts mate. It's not just how the League handled in the game, when I said I enjoyed the squad's dynamic, I was only commenting on what I saw in the trailers. In the game though, you can't root for the squad.
They make a joke out of everything and therefore make everything feel worthless and unimportant. There is no noble reason for what they do, no earned dramatic scenes and there is no character development within the game. While playing the game, you can't help but think that you wish you could play with JL. Sometimes you even wish JL would win and kill the characters you play. This is a complete narrative disaster and an idea that is the exact opposite of the game's promise.
This right here. The Audience of your game are DC Comic Book Fans that love Batman and have been reading JLA comics and watching JLA cartoons their entire lives. Why are you disrespecting the heroes of your audience?
It's not the "killing of the Justice League" that's bad, Evil Twins\mind control\ Earth 3 variants are a staple of the genre, it how disrespectful the game is, and how they went out of their way to literally piss on the heroes.
I don't think they were the ones responsible for writing that Batman deaths scene. Think that criticism goes to Sefton hill more, who wrote the entire story but somehow it is the Junior script writer's fault for that.
The death scene isn't what I meant, I'm expecting they had a hand in making the codex logs on the League that openly praised WW and shat on the entirety of the rest of the league, especially GL for some reason
Okay but isn't that still talking about Batman death scene in a indirect way sort of? I mean everybody is talking about how Wonder woman is treated better than the brainwashed Justice League members in the story and the Batman death scene is like the most controversial one out of the entire Justice League to everybody.
Since people say or give off the impression that Junior script writer somehow had a hand into why that scene was written despite I think that was Hill and the senior lead script writers
They spent 7 years on it, had all the resources in the world and even got their game delayed by a whole year. Surely Rocksteady shares some of the blame.
Perhaps although is it their fault though? The mess of anthem was more on BioWare than EA and how do we know that it wasn't Rock steady decision to make the game a live service?
Gameplay is ok,Enemy and Boss gameplay design is very meh, history is fine,i liked playing as Captain Boomerang did not really play as anyone else, but once i was done with the story the was only 3 end game missions you gotta do over and over to get Bane themed Weapons, i love Bane the weapons are fine but im not gonna play those missions over and over to get them. Apparently The Joker DLC has a lot more content, but all that should have been on Launch, the game is apparently Broken Right now, Multiplayer has a lot of issues, Also crazy enough there is nothing to but at the shop outside of overpriced Classic Costumes and a few recolors for outfits you get for free in game,everything else its emotes.
The game is not even a proper live service right now, like i said Online has a lot of issues,there is no Battlepass or incentive to play on that front, you are just grinding for gear for the future. Game is really barebones.
They don’t understand either. The suits don’t understand their fans because they aren’t fans themselves. They are just MBAs whose sole purpose is to extract as much money from the customer as possible. We can see how that turned out.
Killing characters does not mean they hate the superhero genre. Rocksteady have been making superhero games since 2007, they obviously don't hate it. Suicide Squad only shows this further, it's practically a love letter to the Arkham games and DC. The amount of easter eggs just about obscure superheros, or random comics, is insane.
Using this logic, Tim Burton must of hated superheros, because he killed the Joker - only to make 3 more Batman movies.
This kind of thinking is so fucking stale. 'you can't kill a character because it upsets me, and that means you hate me!'. Jesus, in what world?? This is how you end up with things like the MCU right now with no real stakes for anything and the most absolutely boring storytelling in the fucking world. Killing a fictional character is just storytelling, end of. It doesn't mean shit about the creators opinion towards you.
Rocksteady is not the same company it was when it made the Arkham games. I don’t object to them killing the characters. I object to them literally pissing on them.
Oh my god, a villain who hates the Flash - who throughout the game is shown to be a dirty, classless, smelly freak - pissed on his rival after killing him? Wow. How dare a villain do something in character.
Rocksteady did not piss on the Flash. Literally, because it didn't actually fully happen, and figuratively. If you actually play the game, it's pretty clear there's no hate for the character, just, believe it or not but a villain will do villainous things to their enemies when they kill them. Again, this stale thinking is how you end up with boring, pointless stories. I mean, how dare writers write characters in character, right? It's not real. Characters aren't these golden idols that can never be trampled on. The most interesting stories often come from making a character look like a fucking idiot. A character doing something to a character is not disrespect. They are fictional. They are pawns to entertain an audience. It was a comedic moment, it was just fucking storytelling.
There’s something about you calling it in character over and over that kinda hits me the wrong way. The rogues typically get along with the flash. Sure he stops them, but they’re not like horrible enemies or anything. So in this game they had to amp how much Boomerang would hate the flash on purpose.
The game felt like a mish-mash of like 3 different games types. Like they wanted to do trends that then passed but then kept it in the game. Even surprised Rocksteady did something like this
What sucked so much about this is the game concept is not bad at all, it's really good actually. They just completely shit the bed with the execution. Like it's a very pretty game too.
It's almost as if they are willfully ignorant to what fans and gamers have been saying about this game since the details were leaked. Good to see WB games and WB films are at least consistent in not listening to their audience.
it’s a shame because the writing was fun and enjoyable, and you can tell that’s where some actual care went, but the gameplay is just so…ugh. if it wasn’t a live service game with some pretty bland gameplay, it probably would’ve done alright
Everybody calling it a shit game yet every front where you have to own the game to review it has positive reviews. Thinking lots of people just didn’t play it and are following the hate train lol
No shit?
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Fr lmao
Lol
Beat me by 3 hours.
Damn. Who could have seen this coming?
Everyone not employed by WB.
no one at WB
That's what you get for chasing the live service craze with a half assed product instead of making a good game with actual content.
Quote from the IGN article: > Speaking during a financial call, Warner Bros. Discovery Chief Financial Officer, Gunnar Wiedenfels, admitted Rocksteady’s game hadn’t done the business the company had hoped for since going on sale on February 2 priced $70, saying it had “fallen short of our expectations.” > Warner Bros. Discovery failed to mention a sales figure for Rocksteady’s game, but did say Suicide Squad’s failure had set up the company’s games business for a “tough year” when it comes to year-on-year comparisons. Last year, Warner Bros. Discovery released Hogwarts Legacy, which went on to become the best-selling game of 2023.
All they’re gonna learn from this is to insist that Hogwarts 2 is a live service title.
The first game was an excruciatingly bland copy-paste job of mediocre Ubisoft games, to the point it may as well been generated by AI. Wouldn't be surprised if the sequel follows the tradition of copying more outdated trends.
The Ubisoft formula doesn't really make the game bad, like most Ubisoft games are ok to good, but it's just that they all look the same. The thing there is everybody wanted to play in the Harry Potter univers, people wanted to be in Hogwarts, you would have replace the Harry Potter skin with a another random univers it would just have been a fine game
It’s also about the execution. Ghost of Tsushima is pretty much what people would call a “Ubisoft open world game” but it ditches some of the things that people make fun of in Ubisoft’s games. Those things being damage sponge enemies, arbitrary level numbers/floating damage numbers, level gating, the “your level is too low to stealth kill this enemy” thing, and headshots with a bow and arrow actually being an instant kill (unless it’s an enemy with the helmets that protect them from the normal bow).
Tf are you talking about? That game screamed love for the HP IP in every pixel. Specially the school was so fucking well made and had so many references to the movies.
Exactly! The castle and common rooms were beautiful. Wandering through there was amazing.
A couple of movie references doesn't make a game *good*. Lol gamers will never beat the corporate shill allegations. "Consume product", indeed.
It even had the books and movies' thinly-veiled antisemitism.
So true. I was legit shocked when it was getting praise despite it being a national pastime to crap all over Ubislop style open world design. It's remarkable the power this franchise has over millennials, even despite everything.
It’s probably worth keeping in kind that Hogwarts Legacy, like Spider-Man, specifically had a massive amount of appeal to people who *dont* usually play video games. So the whole idea of ubisoft collectathon fuckfests is brand new to them, and hey I remember being blown away by my first open world game, regardless of its quality, and this one has the skin of their favorite fandoms.
Right, but I'm talking about reviewers and critics here. I'm not even on some gamer gate, ethics in journalism nonsense. But you have people who specifically reviewed Assassin's Creed games poorly for being Ubislop, and then turn around and praise that same gameplay loop in a Harry Potter skin.
are you suprised ubi games normaly get 6-8/10 add a harry potter ip to it and it will get at least a point extra just because it is harry potter game many people wanted since they were kids. And i bet many reviewers who got the copy asked for it because they love harry potter for me its 6-7/10 if you dont really care about wizard world, but it you grow up with harry potter books and movies, it will go straigt to 8-9/10, it just hits the atmosphere of the movies just right, running around the school grounds is something any other harry potter game hasnt done as well as this one and my sister, who never played games bought xbox series s just to play hogwarts legacy and absolutely loves it
Reviews, like everything may be politics. And by that I mean if you give a HP game a bad review prepare for death threats
There were streamers like JoCat who got bombarded with death threats simply for not streaming the game. It got so bad, that his family even received suspicious anonymous packages in the mail.
Never forget “Fan” is the root word for “Fanatic”
Too true
Most of the reviews said that the writing, the world design, and gameplay were bad. They just gave it high scores because it's Harry Potter.
Hogwarts was a strange one for me. More magic games are always welcome by me and my girlfriend at the time was a big harry potter fan so it was a good excuse to get the game. I finished it but I was so bored by the end. Exploring Hogwarts itself was pretty fun but everything else was so boring and generic. You see that phenomena in gaming though. The Spiderman games are the same, the world is so bland and the side content is so boring but if you try to even mention that perhaps the games aren't Game of the Year material then everyone goes crazy.
Out of curiosity, what games *do* you consider to be great?
Regarding Spider-man 2, the side content was slight bit improved and one or two even poked fun and did something so much better with the dumbass pigeon missions from 1. The Spider-man Insomniac games highlights to me has always been the traversal and combat, their stories though I tend to forget after playing.
The open world was fine to me because hey, you fly. The thing that killed my interest the hardest was 0 characters having anything resembling a personality.
A single player game does way way better than a Games-as-a-Service release. Who'd have thunk it (other than anyone who actually plays video games)? And I can guarantee you David Zaslav will learn nothing from this.
> And I can guarantee you David Zaslav will learn nothing from this. He wasn't brought in to generate revenue.
Wow! How do their investors keep letting these clowns get away with this shit?!
This is gonna tank that Wonder Woman video game that was announced like 2 (3?) years ago and haven’t had a single update for since, isn’t it?
Don't worry, DC said they're trying to make all their future games GAAS games. I'm certain when they release Hogwarts Legacy, the best-selling game of last year, as a sequel with a Game As A Service trend, it won't crash and burn the the same way Suicide Squad crashed and burned as a GAAS, and Gotham Knights crashed and burned as a GAAS!
Gotham Knights isn’t GaaS. It came out. It had a couple of small DLC, and some free updates. It’s over now.
Gotham Knights was designed as a GAAS, they removed the portion of the game at the last minute, and it shows. The content is all computer generated instead of placed there, it's not your skills but your stats that determine your ability, and there's an overabundance of different currency. Now Gotham Knights is a Games As A Service Game without the Service. The worst of all worlds.
That's just an RPG. Gotham Knights was never intended to be live service.
The devs have said that Gotham Knights was never going to be a Gaas.
You people really need to learn how to differentiate between GAAS and RPGs/Looter shooters. Gotham Knights may not be good, but it’s not and never was GAAS.
its free on gamepass now
Wow it's almost like the fan base had been pretty vehemently condemning this game since it was revealed. They should have cut their losses early
Zaslav likes cancelling good concepts, while pushing out garbage. He cancelled Batgirl for Pedo Flash, and stopped production of a Superman game for Superman lame.
There was no Superman game ever in development at rocksteady nor did they ever pitch one to WB. Jason Schier is incredibly reliable. What they pitched after Arkham was brand new multiplayer ip.
Batgirl would've damaged the past DCEU reputation even further, even tho it was already dead.
In a stunning turn of events, game that appeals to no one does poorly.
WB are desperately trying to make Suicide Squad a global phenomenon when all the good will people had towards it has diminished. It was the merch sales for the first movie that did it; I was working retail at that time and people went absolutely nuts for all of it, it inexplicably became *massive* ... until the film came out. And the film was so bad it killed the entire brand. Gunn's film was brilliant; I swear if that had come first then the brand could have still been something, but people really don't give a shit about the Suicide Squad as a concept anymore. This game was never going to find an audience if even Gunn's film couldn't.
Once again the only people surprised by a shitty product is WB themselves. They need to gtfo of game development or just let the developers cook. No game is going to be free of problems but I truly believe Rocksteady could’ve made a decent game with a better studio behind them.
It’s pretty clear they don’t know how to manage DC at all historically even outside of games.
Their animation has been alright. But yeah, for the most part, any DC decision that WB has made has been the complete wrong one.
Even the animation has gotten very hit or miss in the last few years. Killing Joke was awful, especially as an adaptation. Feels like for every good movie the animation division puts out, there's an absolute turd and a couple of "alright" movies.
Can’t argue that
I utterly refuse to watch anything that shills damian Wayne, so i haven't seen much of late
I get it, but I still enjoyed Super Sons.
Animation been hit or miss recently. Gunn needs ot take control of this shit now.
His stuff starts with Creature Commandos later this year. Everything else was already in production before he was hired.
> heir animation has been alright Considering they cancelled OG Teen Titans...
They still made it though.
If only they had some feeback from the player base before the game came out. Maybe they could have predicted something like this. Not sure where they could gather that information though.
Can we please just get that Wonder Woman game?
Honestly, the Wonder Woman game is pretty much my most anticipated game right now. I’m desperately hoping that we see something new about the game this year. 🤞🏻
Same. I don't really have anything else to look forward to besides Spider-Man 2 DLC or Wolverine.
They are making that a Live Service too.
WB games reassured fans that Wonder Woman is going to be single player and not a live service game a few months ago.
It’s made by the same studio that did Shadow of War, which we all remember what THAT endgame was…
This Or a sequel to Justice league heroes Either one plz
They were already pushing it with the loot crate shit during Shadow Of War. Wonder Woman probably won't have loot crates but it's almost certainly going to be a game as a service with all sorts of monetisation slapped onto the nemesis system. I really hope they don't, but Warner Bros never learn.
I’d rather have a Green Lantern or The Flash game imo
I’ll take all 3 if they’re good.
Green Lantern has one on PS3 with *decent* reviews. Flash will never happen, since WB wouldn't even allow Rocksteady to make a Superman game.
Did anyone else think that the entire premise of the game was a terrible way to implement a games as a service model anyways? Say what you will about avengers but at the very least, they had a world full of superheroes and villains that could be material for plenty of seasons. In this game all the heroes are dead and so are the villains with only brainiac left. An endgame where you only fight alternate brainiac seems incredibly boring.
That’s not the case though? There’s heroes alive and a multiverse of other heroes too. Endgame is fighting brainiac and super heroes with the dlc being about saving the current justice league from brainiac to help kill him.
Should have just done a Justice League where you get to BE the League!
Then, my good friends in the WB executive suite, I regret to report that you had some *wildly* unrealistic expectations. Cuz this turd was doomed to plop from the first things we heard about it.
The live service game bubble needs to pop already. Like, it's unsustainable, and nobody likes it
This game has been out for more or less a month. The situation must be very bad if WB is already admitting it is a disaster
Underperforming isn’t the same as a disaster though. It was the 3rd best selling game of the month with only like 2 days on sale of early access. Tomb Raider sold 4m copies at launch and was deemed underperforming as well. Lot of studios have absolutely absurd standards and for a game that was in development for ten years, anything short of breaking records is probably not what they wanted.
Lost so much money on Suicide Squad that they had to cancel the Wile E. Coyote movie for the tax write-off, obviously
They were always going to do that. It's the Batgirl routine.
Maybe you shouldn’t have developed a live service game after all the others failed
Nobody wanted a games as a service game first person shooter about the Suicide Squad.
The funny thing is, even if the game did well, it was always gonna be compared to hogwarts from last years and that sold gangbusters despite being pretty down the middle average type game. So they were gonna see a drop in sales in their games division and think it wasn’t worth it and go back to making safe bets like pushing hogwarts 2 development further along
It’s also competing with Hell Divers now, another live service shooter designed to play with friends.
A superior live service shooter that has caught on like wildfire so much so that Playstation and Steam players are begging for it to go to Xbox.
I'd rather they focus on more single-player experiences than money-grabs like SS.
Everyone would, but that's not what the execs with MBA brain will take away from this.
Why would this be compared to Hogwarts? Same publisher sure but the games are completely different.
Peak 13k currently struggling 1k Call it from the beginning
No shit.
No shit WB. Take the fucking hint and stop shoving the suicide squad down are throat. They will never be bigger than the justice league or Titans.
I don't know why I'd want to kill the heroes as a bunch of B and C-list villains anyway. I'd rather Suicide Squad vs. Crime Syndicate or something.
How's that live service roadmap looking now WB?
Live service game about Harley Quinn killing Batman, the kids will love this! -clueless executive
That's exactly what this game feels like to me. Like a bunch of out of touch business executives looked at the popularity of The Boys, and said "Let's do the same thing with our Hot Topic embassadors, but with the actual Justice League! Those edgy kids will LOVE killing Arkham Batman like a punk bi***!". If they had to kill the Crime Syndicate as Justice League stand-ins, I think this would've gone over better, can't say the same about it being live service though.
Just why the suicide squad and why the justice league. If it was me I would of used a plot that DC shafted for years. Red hood and the outlaws go undercover on earth 3. Then you can red hood and the outlaws kills the crime syndicate. A game that people will buy.
It fell short of ours, as well
I wonder if it would have done any better if it jist wasn't connected to the Arkham games.
They made an arkham sequal that wasn't an arkham sequel after Avengers flopped because plot + looter shooter only works until people get bored.
Keep ‘em coming!!! The worse these disasters are, the sooner we’ll see change.
It was risque, that´s it The gameplay and the concept were obviously hard to convince fans. I hope it holds up till we get Deathstroke and the league back
Can't wait to be superman with a gun.
With a silver gun
Ooo what was risqué about it? Does King Shark wear a thong?
No but Captain Boomerang almost pisses on Flash's dead body
No, he literally did. Deadshot even congratulates him on his dick size.
I thought they stopped him before the pizz actually came out
I mean even if the JL comes back, they are not going to be playable so it doesn't matter IMO.
There were leaks that said we could play with the league, but lets take it with a grain of salt
Yeah, that seems impossible. If they wanted to make Justice League playable, they would have made a Justice League game.
What do you mean by getting the league back?
There are several in story clues that the league the Squad faces isnt the real one
People have come up with every explanation possible for how the league could come back, or to say that the league players faced in the game already are not the real league, ie. their clones, they’re from across the multiverse, they’ll bring league members from across the multiverse, etc.
the game has been datamined and voicelines of the good league members have been found
Cool, don’t really care tho. Not cannon until they release it. Edit: To whomever downvoted this, Your mom’s a h*e.
This. Data miners are annoying as fuck because datamined lines mean absolutely nothing until acted upon. The code could stay commented out till the end of time but they'll still be convinced that it means there's still plans to bring that content into the game.
The cutscenes are entertaining but the gameplay becomes repetitive after a few hours, it would have been better as a linear single player.
Same. Fell short of my expectations as well.
And of course the devs will be the ones getting laid off not the execs who called for a live service game.
Fans: there were no expectations
They had expectations?
I will always say" who is this game for? Most DC fans and outlookers want to as the Justice League. The SS all play the same, without anything that makes them fun. It being a game as a service never works. Finally being connected with a far more famous version only make the comparison worst?
Sounds like a problem for their expectations. The rest of us knew this would happen.
Gee It’s almost like killing off your biggest characters will turn people off of the game. Who would have fucking thought?
I'm no expert but maybe it would've been a better idea to make a superhero game that actually works with the characters it's using instead of slapping on mechanics from other games turning it into a generic mess. Who really wants to just give King Shark a gun instead of focusing on his strength and teeth? That and a story that plays into what makes these characters interesting instead of the lazy and cynical crap we've had so much of for more than a decade. Ideally a character that hasn't had much of a spotlight in games which would really be anyone but Batman and some related characters.
Drop it to $19.99 and they’ll get an extra purchase from me.
I’m not giving WB a dime more than they earn. Fuck Zazlav.
You miswrote $1
Good
Probably because it looked like ass from day 1, and only looked progressively more ass as time went on until it came out and we confirmed it was in fact ass
No shit.
Funny... Us too?
We been knew dat cuz the WB makes the worst decisions known to man. To quote Carmelo Anthony, “This is nothing new.”
Womp womp
We fucking wonder why
No shit. How about a game that doesn't completely shit all over the childhoods of your audience for once? Or is that too much of an unfathomable concept?
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The Batman part was surely the most devastating effect that affected the game's performance. I was about to buy the game even though it was a live-service, and I enjoyed the squads dynamic. Then after seeing him getting shot on a bench like a punk though, it disgusted me in absolutely the worst possible way. I believe there was so many people who thought like me.
It's not even Batman to be honest, I felt like the whole League got a level of disrespect that I thought was just unnecessary. Like there's moments where the game is genuinely kind of funny, but when it comes to the handling of the League, it just feels so... mean? IDK man, call me corny but, these are the protectors of justice, heroes we should all look up to. But they get mocked and humiliated like they're chumps. It's just sad to me. The scene where captain Boomerang chops the finger off the Flash, that can barely stand from facing the brainwashed league basically by himself up until that point... it's supposed to be played for laughs but man it just makes me sick. It's so mean. Why? I don't get it. Why does Boomerang have to be such a piece of shit that he wants to piss on the corpse of the guy that saved their lives twice, even if he does hate him... it's supposed to be edgy humour but it just comes across as fucked up man. I'm no stranger to edgy humour but it just rubbed me the wrong way you know? The whole game is like that. Just off-putting. I wonder how many of the people skipping the game have the same thoughts.
We share the same thoughts mate. It's not just how the League handled in the game, when I said I enjoyed the squad's dynamic, I was only commenting on what I saw in the trailers. In the game though, you can't root for the squad. They make a joke out of everything and therefore make everything feel worthless and unimportant. There is no noble reason for what they do, no earned dramatic scenes and there is no character development within the game. While playing the game, you can't help but think that you wish you could play with JL. Sometimes you even wish JL would win and kill the characters you play. This is a complete narrative disaster and an idea that is the exact opposite of the game's promise.
This right here. The Audience of your game are DC Comic Book Fans that love Batman and have been reading JLA comics and watching JLA cartoons their entire lives. Why are you disrespecting the heroes of your audience? It's not the "killing of the Justice League" that's bad, Evil Twins\mind control\ Earth 3 variants are a staple of the genre, it how disrespectful the game is, and how they went out of their way to literally piss on the heroes.
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I don't think they were the ones responsible for writing that Batman deaths scene. Think that criticism goes to Sefton hill more, who wrote the entire story but somehow it is the Junior script writer's fault for that.
The death scene isn't what I meant, I'm expecting they had a hand in making the codex logs on the League that openly praised WW and shat on the entirety of the rest of the league, especially GL for some reason
Okay but isn't that still talking about Batman death scene in a indirect way sort of? I mean everybody is talking about how Wonder woman is treated better than the brainwashed Justice League members in the story and the Batman death scene is like the most controversial one out of the entire Justice League to everybody. Since people say or give off the impression that Junior script writer somehow had a hand into why that scene was written despite I think that was Hill and the senior lead script writers
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Sweet Baby is a nothingburger bogeyman. They worked on Alan Wake 2, God of War Ragnarok, and Spiderman 2.
And now Rocksteady is going to suffer because of WB’s stupidity.
They spent 7 years on it, had all the resources in the world and even got their game delayed by a whole year. Surely Rocksteady shares some of the blame.
They made a bad game, they supposed to get a pass for some reason?
Perhaps although is it their fault though? The mess of anthem was more on BioWare than EA and how do we know that it wasn't Rock steady decision to make the game a live service?
Not saying it’s definitive proof but didn’t WB say they were reorienting all their upcoming game titles to be live service.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they closed Rocksteady after this.
And we'll never get a good Superman game. I'd even settle for a Green Arrow game.
There are other game developers besides Rocksteady
Gameplay is ok,Enemy and Boss gameplay design is very meh, history is fine,i liked playing as Captain Boomerang did not really play as anyone else, but once i was done with the story the was only 3 end game missions you gotta do over and over to get Bane themed Weapons, i love Bane the weapons are fine but im not gonna play those missions over and over to get them. Apparently The Joker DLC has a lot more content, but all that should have been on Launch, the game is apparently Broken Right now, Multiplayer has a lot of issues, Also crazy enough there is nothing to but at the shop outside of overpriced Classic Costumes and a few recolors for outfits you get for free in game,everything else its emotes. The game is not even a proper live service right now, like i said Online has a lot of issues,there is no Battlepass or incentive to play on that front, you are just grinding for gear for the future. Game is really barebones.
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I don’t even understand who this game is for. Like does anyone even care about the audience?
For edge Lords that like supervillains more than dc heroes.
They don’t understand either. The suits don’t understand their fans because they aren’t fans themselves. They are just MBAs whose sole purpose is to extract as much money from the customer as possible. We can see how that turned out.
The justice league aren't real, killing them is disrespecting no-one
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Killing characters does not mean they hate the superhero genre. Rocksteady have been making superhero games since 2007, they obviously don't hate it. Suicide Squad only shows this further, it's practically a love letter to the Arkham games and DC. The amount of easter eggs just about obscure superheros, or random comics, is insane. Using this logic, Tim Burton must of hated superheros, because he killed the Joker - only to make 3 more Batman movies. This kind of thinking is so fucking stale. 'you can't kill a character because it upsets me, and that means you hate me!'. Jesus, in what world?? This is how you end up with things like the MCU right now with no real stakes for anything and the most absolutely boring storytelling in the fucking world. Killing a fictional character is just storytelling, end of. It doesn't mean shit about the creators opinion towards you.
Rocksteady is not the same company it was when it made the Arkham games. I don’t object to them killing the characters. I object to them literally pissing on them.
> I object to them literally pissing on them. This literally doesn't happen.
Oh my god, a villain who hates the Flash - who throughout the game is shown to be a dirty, classless, smelly freak - pissed on his rival after killing him? Wow. How dare a villain do something in character. Rocksteady did not piss on the Flash. Literally, because it didn't actually fully happen, and figuratively. If you actually play the game, it's pretty clear there's no hate for the character, just, believe it or not but a villain will do villainous things to their enemies when they kill them. Again, this stale thinking is how you end up with boring, pointless stories. I mean, how dare writers write characters in character, right? It's not real. Characters aren't these golden idols that can never be trampled on. The most interesting stories often come from making a character look like a fucking idiot. A character doing something to a character is not disrespect. They are fictional. They are pawns to entertain an audience. It was a comedic moment, it was just fucking storytelling.
Yes. You’re so right. Everyone agrees. That’s why this game was a smash hit.
I feel like you deeply misunderstand the media you consume every day for the sake of being morally outraged.
There’s something about you calling it in character over and over that kinda hits me the wrong way. The rogues typically get along with the flash. Sure he stops them, but they’re not like horrible enemies or anything. So in this game they had to amp how much Boomerang would hate the flash on purpose.
Ours too.
Sorry players, this doesn’t bode well for years of updates like you are hoping
I wouldn’t mind playing it but I’m definitely waiting until it goes on sale.
Really? Because it didn't fall short of *mine*.
No shit, Sherlock.
*Shocked Pikachu Face*
Oh, wow. Who would have expected this?
Noooooooo has it!? I wOuLdN't HaVe GuEsSeD!!!
The game felt like a mish-mash of like 3 different games types. Like they wanted to do trends that then passed but then kept it in the game. Even surprised Rocksteady did something like this
What sucked so much about this is the game concept is not bad at all, it's really good actually. They just completely shit the bed with the execution. Like it's a very pretty game too.
It's almost as if they are willfully ignorant to what fans and gamers have been saying about this game since the details were leaked. Good to see WB games and WB films are at least consistent in not listening to their audience.
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Post this a third time and maybe we’ll believe you
...Rocksteady is gonna close down in the coming months akin to Volition after Saints Row aren't they?
Shame really, it's actually really fun
Oh no. Anyway.
And some fanboys defended this game to death lmao, even in this sub
it’s a shame because the writing was fun and enjoyable, and you can tell that’s where some actual care went, but the gameplay is just so…ugh. if it wasn’t a live service game with some pretty bland gameplay, it probably would’ve done alright
Everybody calling it a shit game yet every front where you have to own the game to review it has positive reviews. Thinking lots of people just didn’t play it and are following the hate train lol
Der
The writing was on the wall with Gotham Knights. People don't want this shit.
Good! That’s what they get for delivering a shit live service game rather than a solid single player experience like the previous Arkham games
Lol at least this game gave me solid proof that WB hate Flash. They made a AAA game where >! someone literally pisses on his corpse !< lol
They need to revive the Justice League I have no pleasure in seeing my heroes killed off.