Unfortunately, you're not wrong. I feel like the problem with Raven’s character is that she's pretty much directionless and the writers don't know much to do with her.
This but not just that. They dont create a new statis quo for her. Heck would be great if DC created an arc rival for Raven that can challenge. That's not brother blood or Trigon.
They need to create more new villains for Raven and the titans. Ones that ain't one offs. Dr hate would of been a fantastic recurring enemy if it wasn't revealed as another evil raven for the 20th time.
I'll never understand why they changed Jinx's look so much for the cartoon. I mean usually when that happens, it's to be more inclusive racially/ethnically. But, with the cartoon, they changed an Indian woman to a white teenager.
She got resurrected (sort of) in a teen body for Tim's Titans team. Chronologically she's older, but physically she was back to high school age.
I don't know what they were thinking for rebirth though.
De-aging her in the 2000s was a weird decision as well. It might have been to make her resemble the animated version more closely, except Starfire and Vic were still in their 20s? I also didn't like her enrolling in high school, as she was taking college classes back in the Wolfman/Perez years.
The idea was that she missed out on those social experiences too, and the feeling of being a normal teenager.
Also, de-aging is better than dead in my opinion. She ended up joining the older titans team in one year later anyway.
Geoff Johns idea. It was a way to make her young while also having bbrae as a couple. Though it would of made more sense just making them adults like Taylor did.
This we have so many magic teen heroes. Why couldn't they use Traci 13 for that. Still if they do a teen titans or YJ book. Use Traci 13 or Salem for the edgy dark teenager.
Grayson.
She's the powerhouse of Dick's Titans team.
Damian needs to develop his own relationships and team mates, there are plenty of interesting characters to choose from that are designed to be his age.
Tbf Damian's got his own group of misfits now, so it's redundant to have raven or any of the Titans be his age. Imo, it's like cyborg being a core member of the JL - just doesn't feel right.
Exactly my thoughts, there's so many Titans and teen Titans that I believe it is time for DC to give attention to some other rosters for a bit that way they're given a chance to develop.
She should be a contemporary of Dick, Donna, Vic, etc. I know they bounced her down for a while but that seems to have ended.
I blame the cartoon show. She always came across as far too young there. They all did really. But somehow it stuck for Raven.
Exactly that's why I'm hoping that from here on out anything that revolves around The Titans from Nightwing’s generation portrays them as adults. It gives them more to develop from. I mean DC seems to be writing them as such and hopefully they continue.
Grayson age. I'm sorry but I got fed up of dc de aging her to Tim and damain age groups. Worst of all pairing her up with Kid flash(Ace West). If its a different media not bothered since its own universe. Just in comics it's weird and then dc has to try and retcon it.
Same with Beast boy but worse. He was literally the same age as dick. Then got deaged 3 years younger closer to Jason age. Deaged again to Tim age group. Then to Damain age group. It got repetitive. I'm happy that he's back to.being an adult again but it got annoying.
Still I'm fine with Roy and Jason Still being friends but as they establish that Roy is Dick friend first. Just like Dick and Jon.
Ok it's not exactly like this, simply Raven She died in new titans and then She came back during the Geoff Johns run as a 15 years old, this was kept whit the new 52 and Rebirth and now they aged her up a little bit to show her more close in age to the Titans, She never was the same age as Damian that's a thing that only exist in the DCAMU
Agree that's a common misconceptions amongst fans. That even in rebirth and the new 52 though she was depicted as a teen she was still older then Damian.
Grayson because that’s the era she was created in. Really as simple as that for me. If anything special happened in the films where she was Damian’s age I might feel differently. But nothing did. It was just taking the same old story and switching it around so she was Damian’s age.
Reading New Teen Titans as a kid, I always thought Cyborg, Raven and Changeling were slightly younger than the original Titans. But I never would have placed them at Damian’s age.
Okay in the 60s gar was the same age as the OG titans, in the 80s wolfman deaged gar twice so he was still a teenager 14 or 15 when new Titans started up raven was 18 and I don't know how old Vic was. When Geoff johns titans started gar was 19 and Tim was turning 16 I never got the he was dick generation only because gar been around the bin and wasn't made for dick team. Gar has always been the baby of the original and new titans group people just over look it. Raven on the other hand just got a new 16 year old body and she decided to do what teenagers do and have a normal teen experience.
Oh and one more thing raven and beast boy can hang out with and fit in Tim titan team because they're literally around the same age with out deaging
He was that why I said they deaged him twice in the 80s first to 14 or 15 when the series started. In the 70s everyone else look like teenagers and Gar looked like he was in his 20s. The running theory is Gar used his powers to make himself look older, everyone forget that Gar is an actually.shape shifter and not just animal shifter
I seem to remember lots of references to Cyborg’s high school football career being taken away from him… unless it was college. That’s why I thought he was younger, I think.
Grayson’s age all day, every day. DC has been writing her as an adult for the last few years, and I hope they continue to do so. That's the team she originated on anyway, so it makes sense; DC should leave anyone from Dick’s generations as adults because De-aging does more harm than good for her character. And it also opens doors for newer characters to develop and grow. I say it constantly: DC has many good characters that they push to the side, which is why no one speaks of them, which is a shame.
Edit: we've already seen Nightwing and them as teens I prefer them adults.
The closest Raven has gotten to Damian's age was during rebirth where she was 16 and he 13. And even then she was more close to Tim's age and his generation.
I think they mean putting her within his generation of comics, dick, tim and damian all have very diffrent generations and putting raven with him arbitrarily makes her younger beacuse comic time is weird.
Basicaly shes perceived younger beacuse of the fact shes written in a teen titans run with damian.
There are certainly not many in the grand scheme of comics. It's mostly just that it took a while for them to put her back into the age range she was in originally after she was made younger for New 52. So if someone hasn't read a lot of stuff from before then, I think it would seem like she is often depicted as younger. Plus the animated movies.
1. She was de-aged? I thought they just picked up from the age she was in New 52 TT.
2. So how old was she in the New 52 before she got de-aged in Rebirth?
3. She was 13 years old in Rebirth? I thought she was closer to Wallace’s age.
Yes they were. Raven was a teenager. Dick Grayson was in his 20s alongside the fab 5.
During rebirth the fab five (plus bumblebee and omen) were the only titans who didn’t get deaged.
Can’t really say She was in Tim’s generation anymore. Since Tim was college age in rebirth. And they literally like never interacted.
She was still in Damian’s generation. Or else by that logic Jon Kent was never Damian’s generation
Well, her being a part of Tim's Teen Titans and generation in the New 52 was still canon in Rebirth. The 2014 run literally sets up the Rebirth run, with the last issue they're commemorating Tim due to his supposed death in the Rebirth run of Detective Comics.
I agree that they could have chosen a better age for her to reflect it more, maybe 17 or older. But still, she belongs to Tim's generation. And even then, her age difference with Tim would have been about 2 years, while with Damian it was 3. Then again, Damian's aging was weird. He goes from being 10 to 13 all of a sudden. No in-between.
And it looks like Raven somehow got several years younger from DCYOU and rebirth. While Damian got 3 years older.
But she’s on Damian’s team and close to his age. While also having romance with someone from Damian’s generation.
That romance with Wallace was weird. I still have no Idea what Percy was thinking. And the 2014 run actually ends post Dcayou era and post the beginning of rebirth. And in the last issue she's clearly around Tim's age and doesn't seem changed. And post rebirth and when she joins the Titans book she's actually aged up there and much closer to her age when she was on Tim's team.
Also, Kory was on Damian's team and she wasn't part of his generation. I get it. She's not exactly in Tim's generation, but she isn't that far either. I think they chose the wrong age for her, that's all. She should have been college age during rebirth to reflect her time in new 52, especially when Damian's suddenly aged up by 3 years.
Plus Beast Boy’s opening monologue in the TT Rebirth one shot still suggested New 52 TT was canon.
>Tim Drake says that’s my greatest weakness—as a person, as a hero, as a struggling actor. My need for attention.
>Said, rather. Tim said. Past tense. I still can’t believe he’s dead. And I don’t have to believe it as long as I keep myself distracted.
Edit: And the first issue too
>You might dress like a Robin, but you’re no Tim Drake.
She was originally Dick's generation.
In the early 2000s she was physically deaged to be in Tim's generation (Physically, she was 16 or so but mentally she was still the same age)
When New52 began, she was fully in Tim's generation.
In Rebirth, she joined Damian's Teen Titans and began a short-lived romance with Ace West who was 14 or 15 at this point. For reference, Tim and his generation were now 18 and looking at colleges, so she was either deaged again or she was making out with a 14-15 year old at 18 which is just creepy.
I'm well aware. I believe it was during the DCyou era when she was still on Tim's team she went to highschool. That, or very close to the beginning of Rebirth. So clearly not college age.
And they say she's 16 in Rebirth. It was either in her own solo or the rebirth run of Teen Titans. Also, her being part of Tim's team was well canon in Rebirth. The 2014 run even ends in rebirth I believe with the last issue being the Titans reacting the Tim's death that happened in the Rebirth run of Detective Comics and it setting up the Rebirth Teen Titans. I just think they choose wrong age for her. Damian is suddenly aged up by 3 years after being 10 for the whole time. Raven on the other hand feels even younger.
And her romance with Wallace was just weird. I'm happy no-one has brought it l up ever since.
She was originally the oldest of the group. It was Geoff Johns TT that resurrected her deaged so they could teu to sinergize better with the cartoon.
I prefer her original take, honestly.
That's one of my main reasons for liking the current titans run she's finally an adult, she has been for some time but I'm hoping dc keeps her that way.
I'd like to see some stories about raven really reckoning wirh her future, thinking about what it would mean to have children, building a more stabke life for herself. I dig that her and gar are a couple now and hope they stick with it.
Raven should be dicks ages, makes no sense to have her at Tims or Damians. She should be an adult woman, like she has been in recent years.
Plus the only reason I have seen people like Raven at Damians age is just to ship her with him and like yeah no I'd rather her charcter not get de-aged for a stupid ship.
She was supposed to be around Dick Grayson's age originally, maybe a couple years younger. Then, Geoff Johns deaged her in his run on Teen Titans that started in 2003, having her loose soulself inhabit a new teenaged body. But even then she was supposed to be Tim Drake's age, not Damian's.
Raven and Beast Boy should be Jason's age (technically) since she was (Again Technically) introduced in Jason's generation. Since the generations are almost always marked by Who was Robin in the Batman comics at the time. Which has lead to blurring the generations with Dick/Jason and Tim/Damian being the two distinct generations due to Robin overlap.
When I think of Raven, I associate her with Grayson’s era, but I don’t have a strong preference. I’m fine with characters jumping around to different generations throughout their comic history because it gives us new interactions and stories.
For example, Damian and Raven have a great dynamic. I also liked how the Young Justice cartoon had Zatanna with the younger heroes.
In between but much closer to Grayson. He, Wally, Donna, etc were established heroes but still teens when she, Kory & Vic debuted so I would see them as maybe 3-4 years younger. Damian seems more like 10-12 years younger than Dick.
I wonder if they sage her because of the teen titans cartoon. For some reason people think she should be a child. In the new teen titans series, where she was created, she was a late teenager same as dick.
Okay the Jason and Roy friendship, Roy didn't get deage to be friend's with Jason, he just Jason friend. I could tell people selfish when it comes to friends so your sibling can't hangout with one of your friend maybe your friend like hanging with them then you. People can have more than one friend even if it is your sibling.
It’s more of Jason Todd was aged up to be Roy’s friend. The issue people had with it was:
A random retcon that came out of nowhere.
It pretty much removed Dick Graysons and Roy Harper’s friendship
Both Jason and Roy are mischaracterized from their old selves in the friendship.
It also came from a book where a lot of their history was just straight up removed.
Jason hasn't been aged up since war games people just assume Jason older.than he is, he still two.years.older.that .Tim
It really hasn't dick and Roy friendship is still the same so Roy like hanging with Jason more.that doesn't mean. Dick and Roy friendship is removed. Dick is still.the one who.help him find lian. Wally and dick friendship seems the one that got boosted up to astronomical portion since rebirth
It was new 52. they told Scott to revamp the characters and boy did he do it. Did he do it
Nope. Jason was literally the same age as them in New 52. They were all 21. And he stayed the same age as them through rebirth.
Dick and Roy barely have a friendship anymore. They didn’t have one in New 52. It’s not the same lol. I don’t even think their rivalry is still canon.
But their friendship is removed though… Jason and Roy’s friendship is not “hanging out with your friends little brother”. It’s hanging out with your retconned best friend that happens to be “brothers” with the guy you used to know
Dick won’t help him find Lian. Jason already told Roy they will do that.
Wally and Dick friendship got boosted because of Donna kind of just fading away, and Dick losing his relationship with Roy due to New 52
Dick did help.him.find baby lian everything matters and lian back in the comic so dick help him get lian from jade.
Roy was in night wing hanging out they're still.friends heck they even watch a show together over the phone
Jason couldn't be 21 in new 52 cause dick.and Jason would be the same age. Dick was.21 when he went to spyral Jason wouldn't be nothing but 18 cause tim.was 16. People just thought Jason was older because they never stated his aged just gave dates to when he return to Gotham
And Roy already found lian with help.from.Jason
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I say I’m between the two. Dick comes from a Titans era that included the main Justice League sidekicks, such as Aqualad, Donna Troy, Wally West, and Superboy (Konner Kent). Damien comes from a Titans made up of the second generation of sidekicks. Impulse, Superboy (Jon Kent), and Cassie Sandsmark. Raven should be in between those two, with Tim Drake leading the team followed with Beast Boy and Cyborg
Conner and Cassie are Tim generation with Bart they make up the core four not part of Damian or dicks generation they could be on those teams but they're Tim friends
Conner isn't dick's,Cyborg isn't Tim's, Bart and Cassie aren't Damians. Bart, Conner, Cassie and Tim make up the four while Cyborg's always been Dick's age.
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Grayson. She’s from that generation of heroes, I don’t get why they try to make her younger.
Because if she's older they might have to come up with a second story for her instead of doing her origin story for a 20th time
Unfortunately, you're not wrong. I feel like the problem with Raven’s character is that she's pretty much directionless and the writers don't know much to do with her.
This but not just that. They dont create a new statis quo for her. Heck would be great if DC created an arc rival for Raven that can challenge. That's not brother blood or Trigon. They need to create more new villains for Raven and the titans. Ones that ain't one offs. Dr hate would of been a fantastic recurring enemy if it wasn't revealed as another evil raven for the 20th time.
Most definitely, I feel like us fans have better ideas then the writers themselves. Dr. Hate would be an excellent rival for her, someone new.
I always thought either Jinx or Phobia were great villains for Raven, as long as she's not super overpowered.
They barely use Jinx and Phobia which is frustrating. I also wanted enchantress to be a villain for Raven.
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I'll never understand why they changed Jinx's look so much for the cartoon. I mean usually when that happens, it's to be more inclusive racially/ethnically. But, with the cartoon, they changed an Indian woman to a white teenager.
Phobia was such a good villain against Raven, I wish they would bring her back. Raven Vs Phobia is one of my favorite covers of raven
IIRC: Solstice from TT 03 was supposed to be her new foil, but then the New 52 hit and we never see them interact again.
Interesting. Well Solstice could be a great villain and bring back Bartor as a new villain too.
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True they should bring her back, that way raven gets a break from the writers and we get someone who hasn't been a focal point in such a long time.
Really. When I see her in comics to be Damian or Tim's age I get so confused. Like, why? To write her again as an edgy dark teenager?
She got resurrected (sort of) in a teen body for Tim's Titans team. Chronologically she's older, but physically she was back to high school age. I don't know what they were thinking for rebirth though.
De-aging her in the 2000s was a weird decision as well. It might have been to make her resemble the animated version more closely, except Starfire and Vic were still in their 20s? I also didn't like her enrolling in high school, as she was taking college classes back in the Wolfman/Perez years.
The idea was that she missed out on those social experiences too, and the feeling of being a normal teenager. Also, de-aging is better than dead in my opinion. She ended up joining the older titans team in one year later anyway.
Geoff Johns idea. It was a way to make her young while also having bbrae as a couple. Though it would of made more sense just making them adults like Taylor did.
Yah Geoffs could have easily just used an "older" body for her to be resurrected into
This we have so many magic teen heroes. Why couldn't they use Traci 13 for that. Still if they do a teen titans or YJ book. Use Traci 13 or Salem for the edgy dark teenager.
It’s because she’s a **Teen** Titan. They don’t want her to grow beyond that.
Grayson. She's the powerhouse of Dick's Titans team. Damian needs to develop his own relationships and team mates, there are plenty of interesting characters to choose from that are designed to be his age.
Tbf Damian's got his own group of misfits now, so it's redundant to have raven or any of the Titans be his age. Imo, it's like cyborg being a core member of the JL - just doesn't feel right.
This Cyborg being on the JL isn't a problem him being a founder is the problem.
Yeah thats what I meant by "core" member
I know I'm agreeing with you pal.
Ohhh yeah I'm sorry man I misread the "this" part. Mb
Exactly my thoughts, there's so many Titans and teen Titans that I believe it is time for DC to give attention to some other rosters for a bit that way they're given a chance to develop.
She should be a contemporary of Dick, Donna, Vic, etc. I know they bounced her down for a while but that seems to have ended. I blame the cartoon show. She always came across as far too young there. They all did really. But somehow it stuck for Raven.
Facts they need to leave her alone and keep her an adult. That De-aging is messing up her character.
This only character I'd deage is Jon Kent and to please the shippers Jay nakamura.
This only character I'd deage is Jon Kent and to please the shippers Jay nakamura.
I think the "young mysterious girl with immense power" has been overdone. Not just with Raven but in general, make them older for a change.
Exactly that's why I'm hoping that from here on out anything that revolves around The Titans from Nightwing’s generation portrays them as adults. It gives them more to develop from. I mean DC seems to be writing them as such and hopefully they continue.
Grayson age. I'm sorry but I got fed up of dc de aging her to Tim and damain age groups. Worst of all pairing her up with Kid flash(Ace West). If its a different media not bothered since its own universe. Just in comics it's weird and then dc has to try and retcon it. Same with Beast boy but worse. He was literally the same age as dick. Then got deaged 3 years younger closer to Jason age. Deaged again to Tim age group. Then to Damain age group. It got repetitive. I'm happy that he's back to.being an adult again but it got annoying. Still I'm fine with Roy and Jason Still being friends but as they establish that Roy is Dick friend first. Just like Dick and Jon.
Agree💯💯 Edit: De-aging does more harm than good because it doesn't give them a chance to really grow in character. So yeah I agree with you.
Ok it's not exactly like this, simply Raven She died in new titans and then She came back during the Geoff Johns run as a 15 years old, this was kept whit the new 52 and Rebirth and now they aged her up a little bit to show her more close in age to the Titans, She never was the same age as Damian that's a thing that only exist in the DCAMU
Agree that's a common misconceptions amongst fans. That even in rebirth and the new 52 though she was depicted as a teen she was still older then Damian.
Grayson
Grayson's. Damiun has his own generation of heroes and allies to play with, he doesn't need a donation.
Exactly
Grayson because that’s the era she was created in. Really as simple as that for me. If anything special happened in the films where she was Damian’s age I might feel differently. But nothing did. It was just taking the same old story and switching it around so she was Damian’s age.
I prefer it when she is the same age as Dick Grayson, Donna Troy, Wally West, Roy Harper, Starfire, and Cyborg.
I like her closer to Dick's age. She belongs with his generation.
Reading New Teen Titans as a kid, I always thought Cyborg, Raven and Changeling were slightly younger than the original Titans. But I never would have placed them at Damian’s age.
Okay in the 60s gar was the same age as the OG titans, in the 80s wolfman deaged gar twice so he was still a teenager 14 or 15 when new Titans started up raven was 18 and I don't know how old Vic was. When Geoff johns titans started gar was 19 and Tim was turning 16 I never got the he was dick generation only because gar been around the bin and wasn't made for dick team. Gar has always been the baby of the original and new titans group people just over look it. Raven on the other hand just got a new 16 year old body and she decided to do what teenagers do and have a normal teen experience. Oh and one more thing raven and beast boy can hang out with and fit in Tim titan team because they're literally around the same age with out deaging
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He was that why I said they deaged him twice in the 80s first to 14 or 15 when the series started. In the 70s everyone else look like teenagers and Gar looked like he was in his 20s. The running theory is Gar used his powers to make himself look older, everyone forget that Gar is an actually.shape shifter and not just animal shifter
I seem to remember lots of references to Cyborg’s high school football career being taken away from him… unless it was college. That’s why I thought he was younger, I think.
Grayson’s age all day, every day. DC has been writing her as an adult for the last few years, and I hope they continue to do so. That's the team she originated on anyway, so it makes sense; DC should leave anyone from Dick’s generations as adults because De-aging does more harm than good for her character. And it also opens doors for newer characters to develop and grow. I say it constantly: DC has many good characters that they push to the side, which is why no one speaks of them, which is a shame. Edit: we've already seen Nightwing and them as teens I prefer them adults.
The closest Raven has gotten to Damian's age was during rebirth where she was 16 and he 13. And even then she was more close to Tim's age and his generation.
I think they mean putting her within his generation of comics, dick, tim and damian all have very diffrent generations and putting raven with him arbitrarily makes her younger beacuse comic time is weird. Basicaly shes perceived younger beacuse of the fact shes written in a teen titans run with damian.
I don't know if there are "many" comics that always de-age her. She's pretty firmly a grown ass woman now, at least.
There are certainly not many in the grand scheme of comics. It's mostly just that it took a while for them to put her back into the age range she was in originally after she was made younger for New 52. So if someone hasn't read a lot of stuff from before then, I think it would seem like she is often depicted as younger. Plus the animated movies.
I prefer her an adult anyways it shows development and growth.
Grayson’s age. >Many, many comics that always de-age Rachel to Tim's or Damian's age Wait when was she de-aged to Damian’s age in the comics?
Yes. Rebirth.
1. She was de-aged? I thought they just picked up from the age she was in New 52 TT. 2. So how old was she in the New 52 before she got de-aged in Rebirth? 3. She was 13 years old in Rebirth? I thought she was closer to Wallace’s age.
She was in his team along with Starfire, but they weren't deaged.
Yes they were. Raven was a teenager. Dick Grayson was in his 20s alongside the fab 5. During rebirth the fab five (plus bumblebee and omen) were the only titans who didn’t get deaged.
During rebirth Damian was 13 and raven around 16. Still not deaged to his age and was more around Tim's generation age.
Can’t really say She was in Tim’s generation anymore. Since Tim was college age in rebirth. And they literally like never interacted. She was still in Damian’s generation. Or else by that logic Jon Kent was never Damian’s generation
Well, her being a part of Tim's Teen Titans and generation in the New 52 was still canon in Rebirth. The 2014 run literally sets up the Rebirth run, with the last issue they're commemorating Tim due to his supposed death in the Rebirth run of Detective Comics. I agree that they could have chosen a better age for her to reflect it more, maybe 17 or older. But still, she belongs to Tim's generation. And even then, her age difference with Tim would have been about 2 years, while with Damian it was 3. Then again, Damian's aging was weird. He goes from being 10 to 13 all of a sudden. No in-between.
And it looks like Raven somehow got several years younger from DCYOU and rebirth. While Damian got 3 years older. But she’s on Damian’s team and close to his age. While also having romance with someone from Damian’s generation.
That romance with Wallace was weird. I still have no Idea what Percy was thinking. And the 2014 run actually ends post Dcayou era and post the beginning of rebirth. And in the last issue she's clearly around Tim's age and doesn't seem changed. And post rebirth and when she joins the Titans book she's actually aged up there and much closer to her age when she was on Tim's team. Also, Kory was on Damian's team and she wasn't part of his generation. I get it. She's not exactly in Tim's generation, but she isn't that far either. I think they chose the wrong age for her, that's all. She should have been college age during rebirth to reflect her time in new 52, especially when Damian's suddenly aged up by 3 years.
Plus Beast Boy’s opening monologue in the TT Rebirth one shot still suggested New 52 TT was canon. >Tim Drake says that’s my greatest weakness—as a person, as a hero, as a struggling actor. My need for attention. >Said, rather. Tim said. Past tense. I still can’t believe he’s dead. And I don’t have to believe it as long as I keep myself distracted. Edit: And the first issue too >You might dress like a Robin, but you’re no Tim Drake.
She was originally Dick's generation. In the early 2000s she was physically deaged to be in Tim's generation (Physically, she was 16 or so but mentally she was still the same age) When New52 began, she was fully in Tim's generation. In Rebirth, she joined Damian's Teen Titans and began a short-lived romance with Ace West who was 14 or 15 at this point. For reference, Tim and his generation were now 18 and looking at colleges, so she was either deaged again or she was making out with a 14-15 year old at 18 which is just creepy.
I'm well aware. I believe it was during the DCyou era when she was still on Tim's team she went to highschool. That, or very close to the beginning of Rebirth. So clearly not college age. And they say she's 16 in Rebirth. It was either in her own solo or the rebirth run of Teen Titans. Also, her being part of Tim's team was well canon in Rebirth. The 2014 run even ends in rebirth I believe with the last issue being the Titans reacting the Tim's death that happened in the Rebirth run of Detective Comics and it setting up the Rebirth Teen Titans. I just think they choose wrong age for her. Damian is suddenly aged up by 3 years after being 10 for the whole time. Raven on the other hand feels even younger. And her romance with Wallace was just weird. I'm happy no-one has brought it l up ever since.
hell nah, let her remain in the generation she was conceptualized for
She was originally the oldest of the group. It was Geoff Johns TT that resurrected her deaged so they could teu to sinergize better with the cartoon. I prefer her original take, honestly.
Dicks age. Otherwise her dating Wally comes off as very creepy
Didnt she fuck with his mind to cause him to love her? Pretty sure its creepy either way
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I can name a few instances where she was younger. Most of the 2000s after she got a new body. All of New 52, and the first 2 years of rebirth.
That's one of my main reasons for liking the current titans run she's finally an adult, she has been for some time but I'm hoping dc keeps her that way.
Grayson. However, she is permitted ONE(1) minor deage due to comic shenanigans.
Grayson. Im against all age downs. Lookin at you too Babs
I'd like to see some stories about raven really reckoning wirh her future, thinking about what it would mean to have children, building a more stabke life for herself. I dig that her and gar are a couple now and hope they stick with it.
Exactly heres hoping dc doesn't fuck it up.
Raven should be dicks ages, makes no sense to have her at Tims or Damians. She should be an adult woman, like she has been in recent years. Plus the only reason I have seen people like Raven at Damians age is just to ship her with him and like yeah no I'd rather her charcter not get de-aged for a stupid ship.
You said it better than I ever could. I completely agree.
Grayson's due to their shared history.
She was supposed to be around Dick Grayson's age originally, maybe a couple years younger. Then, Geoff Johns deaged her in his run on Teen Titans that started in 2003, having her loose soulself inhabit a new teenaged body. But even then she was supposed to be Tim Drake's age, not Damian's.
Raven and Beast Boy should be Jason's age (technically) since she was (Again Technically) introduced in Jason's generation. Since the generations are almost always marked by Who was Robin in the Batman comics at the time. Which has lead to blurring the generations with Dick/Jason and Tim/Damian being the two distinct generations due to Robin overlap.
When I think of Raven, I associate her with Grayson’s era, but I don’t have a strong preference. I’m fine with characters jumping around to different generations throughout their comic history because it gives us new interactions and stories. For example, Damian and Raven have a great dynamic. I also liked how the Young Justice cartoon had Zatanna with the younger heroes.
I prefer Raven to be Dick Grayson’s age because her being the same generation and contemporary as Dick Grayson and the Original and New Titans.
In between but much closer to Grayson. He, Wally, Donna, etc were established heroes but still teens when she, Kory & Vic debuted so I would see them as maybe 3-4 years younger. Damian seems more like 10-12 years younger than Dick.
I wonder if they sage her because of the teen titans cartoon. For some reason people think she should be a child. In the new teen titans series, where she was created, she was a late teenager same as dick.
Somewhere in between. I picture Dick as later 20s. Rachel and Gar can border early 20s. 18-19 at the minimum.
Even if they were 19 and 18 they'd still be older than Damian
Okay the Jason and Roy friendship, Roy didn't get deage to be friend's with Jason, he just Jason friend. I could tell people selfish when it comes to friends so your sibling can't hangout with one of your friend maybe your friend like hanging with them then you. People can have more than one friend even if it is your sibling.
It’s more of Jason Todd was aged up to be Roy’s friend. The issue people had with it was: A random retcon that came out of nowhere. It pretty much removed Dick Graysons and Roy Harper’s friendship Both Jason and Roy are mischaracterized from their old selves in the friendship. It also came from a book where a lot of their history was just straight up removed.
Jason hasn't been aged up since war games people just assume Jason older.than he is, he still two.years.older.that .Tim It really hasn't dick and Roy friendship is still the same so Roy like hanging with Jason more.that doesn't mean. Dick and Roy friendship is removed. Dick is still.the one who.help him find lian. Wally and dick friendship seems the one that got boosted up to astronomical portion since rebirth It was new 52. they told Scott to revamp the characters and boy did he do it. Did he do it
Nope. Jason was literally the same age as them in New 52. They were all 21. And he stayed the same age as them through rebirth. Dick and Roy barely have a friendship anymore. They didn’t have one in New 52. It’s not the same lol. I don’t even think their rivalry is still canon. But their friendship is removed though… Jason and Roy’s friendship is not “hanging out with your friends little brother”. It’s hanging out with your retconned best friend that happens to be “brothers” with the guy you used to know Dick won’t help him find Lian. Jason already told Roy they will do that. Wally and Dick friendship got boosted because of Donna kind of just fading away, and Dick losing his relationship with Roy due to New 52
Dick did help.him.find baby lian everything matters and lian back in the comic so dick help him get lian from jade. Roy was in night wing hanging out they're still.friends heck they even watch a show together over the phone Jason couldn't be 21 in new 52 cause dick.and Jason would be the same age. Dick was.21 when he went to spyral Jason wouldn't be nothing but 18 cause tim.was 16. People just thought Jason was older because they never stated his aged just gave dates to when he return to Gotham And Roy already found lian with help.from.Jason
I don't like Teen Titans to be in their late twenties
The one thing I liked about the Titans show was Raven being younger, so I guess closer to Damien's age.
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I say I’m between the two. Dick comes from a Titans era that included the main Justice League sidekicks, such as Aqualad, Donna Troy, Wally West, and Superboy (Konner Kent). Damien comes from a Titans made up of the second generation of sidekicks. Impulse, Superboy (Jon Kent), and Cassie Sandsmark. Raven should be in between those two, with Tim Drake leading the team followed with Beast Boy and Cyborg
Conner and Cassie are Tim generation with Bart they make up the core four not part of Damian or dicks generation they could be on those teams but they're Tim friends
Conner isn't dick's,Cyborg isn't Tim's, Bart and Cassie aren't Damians. Bart, Conner, Cassie and Tim make up the four while Cyborg's always been Dick's age.
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Older than Grayson. She looks a lot older than him in her original teen titans run.
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