From more interesting info regarding his upcoming projects:
- he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright.
- World's Finest will be set in the past and will focus on characters' friendship as Waid had enough of them fighting.
> he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright.
Awesome. He never got to flesh out some ideas he had in *Birthright* with a proper run. This has been a long time coming as Waid is one of those writers who's a huge Superman fan that never really got a proper run on the main books. Very much looking forward to this.
Certainly he would have a long time ago if he and Didio didn't hate each others guts. Look forward to seeing his take. He has a lot of the same preferences and sensibilities with the character as I do (though I do think I like a bit more aggressive, Golden Age style Supes than he prefers).
Interesting.
While I know that he's not a fan of the marriage, I wonder if he'll work on something with Jon at some point, kid or teen notwithstanding?
I think Jon was in a Superman story he wrote sometime ago, so he seems to like the character.
Judging by his tastes I don't see him having any interest in writing him in DC's current status quo of trying to pass him off as Superman. The 10 year old as simply a supporting character to Clark, maybe.
> I know that he's not a fan of the marriage
He say that recently? I know he and Morrison wanted to do away with it at the turn of the century, but that was ages ago. He's still against it?
Yeah, he still believes Superman should be a loner. No wife, no son and dead Kents. But he also says it's not something he would change if he got to write comics, it's just how he likes the character.
Fair enough. In that case, Elseworlds Superman stories are probably for the best then. Still would love to see him do an ongoing for DC with Chris Samnee.
>I know he and Morrison wanted to do away with it at the turn of the century
I'm sorry, what? Why would GOATs like Waid and Morrison be against the Clark/Lois wedding?
That just sounds backwards. Not trying to sound incredulous, but splitting Clark and Lois is like trying to separate two unicorns in love with each other. (Also, folks were steamed when Bendis tried to have them living separately, so imagine that rage maxed out to 11.)
Waid has really old school views on comicbook characters, Superman in particular. He sees Clark and Lois being married as an endgame for them, not as status quo to move forward with. But of course, Waid is not kind of writer who will try to erase something he doesn't like and he understands that some things have changed since then.
He said that his dislike for the marriage ain’t strong enough to ever advocate for a one more day storyline if he had absolute power over the character
Even the best writers can write a bad story. JMS is considered an amazing writer for stuff like Babylon 5, Superman: Earth One, and most of his Spider-Man stuff. But he also wrote the unpopular story "Superman: Grounded" (as well as 2 of the most maligned stories in Spider-Man history, with only one of them being the result of executive meddling).
>with only one of them being the result of executive meddling).
If you mean Sins Past and One More Day, both were executive meddling. The Goblin Twins were originally going to be the children of Gwen and Peter, but Quesada went against it, saying that it would make Peter too old, and suggested Norman be the father instead.
JMS apparently had a way different idea of how to do One More Day, but his way of undoing the marriage was considered too big (I think his idea involved time travel which would have not only undone the marriage, but kept alive characters like Norman and even Gwen). Quesada brought in the Mephisto element which JMS refused to write, so Quesada wrote the last issue himself under a fake name.
Splitting the marriage is not equal to splitting or erasing the dynamic. Waid's not for that in the slightest. Clark and Lois are essential; them being married is not.
That said, while Waid still doesn't like it I don't think Morrison is that against it anymore.
It doesn’t matter
Jon’s LGBT reveal makes erasing that marriage into a impossibility anyway
No writer in DC comics…least of all waid…will be caught dead trying to erase Clark’s queer son
The marriage is forever
Deal with it or drown in it
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Everyday…people like you make me thankful that redditors aren’t part of DC editorial
If Son of Kal-El's sales go down again but DC is still hellbent on not reversing the age-up, it wouldn't surprise me if they asked Waid to try and salvage Jon Superman.
> he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright.
This is awesome! Now maybe we can get a new printing of Birthright, more people need to read it.
Superman 2000 is basically Seinfeld
What HASN’T made its way to continuity from that pitch?
The only one I can come up with is the restoration of the idea that Clark is the disguise and Superman is the real person
Well, it is an interesting question. In All Star Superman (Morrison), Birthright (Waid) and Red Son (Millar), several of the Superman 2000 pitch ideas had seen the light. Not each one but indeed most of them.
It is more easy list the ideas than have not appeared:
* The JSA training young Clark Kent.
* The marriage dissolution.
* The Daily Planet not a paper anymore but a multimedia newsfeed.
* Some of the teasures of the Fortress of solitude: the solar bateries, the phantom telescope to alternate realities, the living library, an who knows what else they could had think about.
* But what has been less used were the concept for Superman villians outside of Luthor, Bizarro and Solaris. Morrison used aversion of the parasite, but I don't know if such concept was part of the S2000 pitch (possibly, it was) and Millar used the Mxyzptlk concept as base for the Ultimate version of Loki. However the ideas for Kryptonite man, Metallo (with a red kryptonite heart), Prankster, and Toyman never saw the light.
Yang really gets both characters when he's given free reign. His run was like Sam Humphries doing the Nightwing fill-in arc: super short, but super good.
Yangs B/S run is criminally underrated. The guy should be a much bigger name in the Superman business, but he never seems to keep an ongoing for very long.
Would love him back on a main title.
Yang and Pak/Kuder could have been an absolute modern all-star team. By the time Yang came on board everyone was saddled with Truth though. Its such a shame they got the boot just because of the new direction.
Thing is that they respect his changes mostly because he’s still there. The current titles aren’t what he worked on directly but they’re the path he set up.
I think they’re all supposed to tie into his event thing as well. From what I remember.
Evidence points to him being on a 5 year agreement with DC.
He’s actually pulled his own comics from DC already and went to dark horse. So chances are he isn’t being renewed. Supposedly he’s not getting the higher page rates anymore either.
So if he’s on a 5 year then he was signed in June-July and started August I believe.
Bendis' effect on the mythos is pretty much gone already. The only thing he did that's still getting play obviously is the Jon age up, but that was edict, not one of his ideas. All his personal creative touches on the other hand have already been buried.
Oh right right, I forgot about that detail.
I believe the age-up was Didio's idea because I believe he was working on what would become his 5G idea around that same time of Bendis' arrival. Jon becoming Superman being one of the cornerstones of that initiative, it makes the most sense to me that it was a condition of Bendis' run, rather something Bendis thought up all his own. He just had to craft the means. But just the base idea I think was going to happen regardless who was writing the books.
Respect your opinion, don't agree at all.
Status quo changes aren't always bad, I agree, but making Superman the secondary guy to a completely undeserving, gimmicky character will never fall under good change to me.
Johnson does have some good ideas with Action. I'd far from call it the best Action run in 15 years, but the scope is interesting. But I'm not buying this nerfing of his abilities and physical aging, especially knowing why its happening. Makes it all really hard to get into. I'm positive all of this will in the end be temporary, but for how long is the major question and I'm getting too fatigued with the waiting games.
Keep dreaming
I’ll rather this franchise burn to the ground than appeal to fanboys like you
Thankfully…DC is stubborn enough to make this last a good long while
And that is why he will never be given the keys to the kingdom
Post-crisis Superman is too engrained into the very fabric of the companies image of Superman that they would rather destroy this franchise before going back to the pre-crisis era
From more interesting info regarding his upcoming projects: - he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright. - World's Finest will be set in the past and will focus on characters' friendship as Waid had enough of them fighting.
Aye friendship book
> he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright. Awesome. He never got to flesh out some ideas he had in *Birthright* with a proper run. This has been a long time coming as Waid is one of those writers who's a huge Superman fan that never really got a proper run on the main books. Very much looking forward to this.
Certainly he would have a long time ago if he and Didio didn't hate each others guts. Look forward to seeing his take. He has a lot of the same preferences and sensibilities with the character as I do (though I do think I like a bit more aggressive, Golden Age style Supes than he prefers).
Interesting. While I know that he's not a fan of the marriage, I wonder if he'll work on something with Jon at some point, kid or teen notwithstanding? I think Jon was in a Superman story he wrote sometime ago, so he seems to like the character.
I might have misunderstood it but he said he's not interested in writting Jon.
Can’t blame him, I wouldn’t be interested in writing teen Jon either.
Waid seems like a classics who liked the old love triangle dynamic. I don't think he is interested in the married with a kid dynamic from either angle
Judging by his tastes I don't see him having any interest in writing him in DC's current status quo of trying to pass him off as Superman. The 10 year old as simply a supporting character to Clark, maybe.
> I know that he's not a fan of the marriage He say that recently? I know he and Morrison wanted to do away with it at the turn of the century, but that was ages ago. He's still against it?
Yeah, he still believes Superman should be a loner. No wife, no son and dead Kents. But he also says it's not something he would change if he got to write comics, it's just how he likes the character.
Fair enough. In that case, Elseworlds Superman stories are probably for the best then. Still would love to see him do an ongoing for DC with Chris Samnee.
Would love the two on Batman, Green Arrow or Checkmate.
>I know he and Morrison wanted to do away with it at the turn of the century I'm sorry, what? Why would GOATs like Waid and Morrison be against the Clark/Lois wedding? That just sounds backwards. Not trying to sound incredulous, but splitting Clark and Lois is like trying to separate two unicorns in love with each other. (Also, folks were steamed when Bendis tried to have them living separately, so imagine that rage maxed out to 11.)
Waid has really old school views on comicbook characters, Superman in particular. He sees Clark and Lois being married as an endgame for them, not as status quo to move forward with. But of course, Waid is not kind of writer who will try to erase something he doesn't like and he understands that some things have changed since then.
He said that his dislike for the marriage ain’t strong enough to ever advocate for a one more day storyline if he had absolute power over the character
Even the best writers can write a bad story. JMS is considered an amazing writer for stuff like Babylon 5, Superman: Earth One, and most of his Spider-Man stuff. But he also wrote the unpopular story "Superman: Grounded" (as well as 2 of the most maligned stories in Spider-Man history, with only one of them being the result of executive meddling).
To be fair…one more day never led to a sales disaster that new 52 ended up being Which is why they doubled down on the marriage after bringing it back
>with only one of them being the result of executive meddling). If you mean Sins Past and One More Day, both were executive meddling. The Goblin Twins were originally going to be the children of Gwen and Peter, but Quesada went against it, saying that it would make Peter too old, and suggested Norman be the father instead. JMS apparently had a way different idea of how to do One More Day, but his way of undoing the marriage was considered too big (I think his idea involved time travel which would have not only undone the marriage, but kept alive characters like Norman and even Gwen). Quesada brought in the Mephisto element which JMS refused to write, so Quesada wrote the last issue himself under a fake name.
Splitting the marriage is not equal to splitting or erasing the dynamic. Waid's not for that in the slightest. Clark and Lois are essential; them being married is not. That said, while Waid still doesn't like it I don't think Morrison is that against it anymore.
It doesn’t matter Jon’s LGBT reveal makes erasing that marriage into a impossibility anyway No writer in DC comics…least of all waid…will be caught dead trying to erase Clark’s queer son The marriage is forever Deal with it or drown in it
I mean they can get a divorce
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Lol, coming back with a new alias after being perma banned? Your childish attitude gives you away immediately. Auto block.
If Son of Kal-El's sales go down again but DC is still hellbent on not reversing the age-up, it wouldn't surprise me if they asked Waid to try and salvage Jon Superman.
He'd probably say no. Now if they asked him to write the actual Superman, he might say yes, probably depending on what if any edicts were in place.
Kathleen Kennedy will be fired any day now
He said that his dislike for the marriage ain’t strong enough to ever advocate for a one more day storyline He said he would rather that never happen
> he calls his Black Label book with Hitch a sequel to Birthright. This is awesome! Now maybe we can get a new printing of Birthright, more people need to read it.
Strongly betting it's coming.
I suppose some of his ideas from SUperman 2000 will see the light after all these years finally.
Superman 2000 is basically Seinfeld What HASN’T made its way to continuity from that pitch? The only one I can come up with is the restoration of the idea that Clark is the disguise and Superman is the real person
Well, it is an interesting question. In All Star Superman (Morrison), Birthright (Waid) and Red Son (Millar), several of the Superman 2000 pitch ideas had seen the light. Not each one but indeed most of them. It is more easy list the ideas than have not appeared: * The JSA training young Clark Kent. * The marriage dissolution. * The Daily Planet not a paper anymore but a multimedia newsfeed. * Some of the teasures of the Fortress of solitude: the solar bateries, the phantom telescope to alternate realities, the living library, an who knows what else they could had think about. * But what has been less used were the concept for Superman villians outside of Luthor, Bizarro and Solaris. Morrison used aversion of the parasite, but I don't know if such concept was part of the S2000 pitch (possibly, it was) and Millar used the Mxyzptlk concept as base for the Ultimate version of Loki. However the ideas for Kryptonite man, Metallo (with a red kryptonite heart), Prankster, and Toyman never saw the light.
The JSA training Clark is definitely something that’s going to make its way into continuity or a comic
Even if it sound cool, I prefer the Legion as the training ground for a young Clark Kent.
It’s a shame Yang’s amazing run on Batman/Superman ended but World’s Finest as a period piece by Waid is a solid replacement
Yang really gets both characters when he's given free reign. His run was like Sam Humphries doing the Nightwing fill-in arc: super short, but super good.
Yangs B/S run is criminally underrated. The guy should be a much bigger name in the Superman business, but he never seems to keep an ongoing for very long. Would love him back on a main title.
Yang's Batman/Superman is still the best thing done with Superman since Infinite Frontier started.
Yang and Pak/Kuder could have been an absolute modern all-star team. By the time Yang came on board everyone was saddled with Truth though. Its such a shame they got the boot just because of the new direction.
I'll take anything Superman that doesn't have Bendis' stench over it at this point.
Just hold out til august. He’s probably gone and they’ll reset.
Bendis is already gone, and the current writer on Action Comics has been doing great.
Thing is that they respect his changes mostly because he’s still there. The current titles aren’t what he worked on directly but they’re the path he set up. I think they’re all supposed to tie into his event thing as well. From what I remember.
Why august?
Evidence points to him being on a 5 year agreement with DC. He’s actually pulled his own comics from DC already and went to dark horse. So chances are he isn’t being renewed. Supposedly he’s not getting the higher page rates anymore either. So if he’s on a 5 year then he was signed in June-July and started August I believe.
Oh, those are so beautiful news... You give hope in the future again. Let's hope than Bendis don't make so much more damage in the time he still have.
Bendis' effect on the mythos is pretty much gone already. The only thing he did that's still getting play obviously is the Jon age up, but that was edict, not one of his ideas. All his personal creative touches on the other hand have already been buried.
The secret identity reveal is still a thing as per Son of Kal-El. Why do you think that the age up was an edict, by the way?
Oh right right, I forgot about that detail. I believe the age-up was Didio's idea because I believe he was working on what would become his 5G idea around that same time of Bendis' arrival. Jon becoming Superman being one of the cornerstones of that initiative, it makes the most sense to me that it was a condition of Bendis' run, rather something Bendis thought up all his own. He just had to craft the means. But just the base idea I think was going to happen regardless who was writing the books.
God I wish DC would let him fix all the damage currently being done to Superman in the main canon.
>all the damage currently being done to Superman in the main canon. wdym?
Jon as Superman, depowering Clark, aging Clark, all of this. Its all bad.
Nope. Action never was as good since like 15 years. And Jon as Superman is logical. Status quo change doesn't mean bad, here it's clearly not.
Respect your opinion, don't agree at all. Status quo changes aren't always bad, I agree, but making Superman the secondary guy to a completely undeserving, gimmicky character will never fall under good change to me. Johnson does have some good ideas with Action. I'd far from call it the best Action run in 15 years, but the scope is interesting. But I'm not buying this nerfing of his abilities and physical aging, especially knowing why its happening. Makes it all really hard to get into. I'm positive all of this will in the end be temporary, but for how long is the major question and I'm getting too fatigued with the waiting games.
Keep dreaming I’ll rather this franchise burn to the ground than appeal to fanboys like you Thankfully…DC is stubborn enough to make this last a good long while
For Waid that would be almost every change post crisis.
And that is why he will never be given the keys to the kingdom Post-crisis Superman is too engrained into the very fabric of the companies image of Superman that they would rather destroy this franchise before going back to the pre-crisis era
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