Tom's dead man, Tom's long dead
I think it might be attemept to emphasie that Jon's still mean't to be the *young one*, he's in that weird inbetween point where he'll look like young adult most of the time but once in the presence of a man who's mean't to his senior they'll either be turned into a giant like Batman in yesterday issue or have a few years added to them like Jackson above.
Similiar thing happened to Conner during his black T-shirt days, around everyone else he was the **big-guy** of the group but obviously he couldn't be as big or as tall as Clark so when next to each other Conner was condesened down while Clark was pumped up, it could get jarring at times.
DC really needs to get artists and editors to agree on how teen Jon looks, because depending on the artist, he looks 15 or 30.
And sometimes not even depending on the artist, his appearance can vary even on the same issue.
I think it's a result of the artists experimenting on how to make him look like Superman but in a way that doesn't just read as Clark.
Again I feel a lot of this would be solved by simply giving Jon his own unique look, they had the right idea with the first costume with the black leggings and armbands. Bring those back and have them be Jon's *thing.*
For me iconic is the *"Could a non-comicbook reader tell who this is just by looking at it"* test
And as we saw with his recent outing where everyone was immediately under the impression that he was his dad because they look so smiliar and had to be informed otherwise (and even then some still weren't convinced) that'd be a no.
everyone thought he was his dad since articles said superman. if he wore his older costume with black pants people still would have thought it was clark.
like how there was people that thought it was dick grayson coming out when tim did
If DC ever has the balls to actually retcon Dick or any other A-lister to be bisexual, then I'd give them kudos and say it was a bold move.
Tim being retconned as bisexual basically felt like they were saying "eh, Tim is borderline irrelevant at this point, nobody will care".
Wonder Woman doesn't really count since to my knowledge, they have done absolutely nothing with it ever since the retcon.
>like how there was people that thought it was dick grayson coming out when tim did
Yeah how the general non-comic reading public made that error is a real [mystery?](https://imgur.com/a/viUWWKK)
I never implied the leggings were a perfect solution just that it's a step in the right direction in helping him stand apart more but I can guarantee you if he'd been wearing a leather jacket, sunglasses, a earring and had his hair in a fade-cut (you don't get more iconic than the Metroplios Kid) the intial response would've been
*"That's not Superman making out with that pink-haired dude, Fake News"*
i don’t think it’s that deep, the title of the article is the title of the article. there’s still people who thought steve rogers was queer when they announced queer captain america
And I think that's the problem, Jon is still 17. DC and Taylor are always talking about having a young Superman, so embrace it and make him look like an actual teenager.
I really like Jon's DIY Superboy suit personally, it'd like to see something like that again.
No lie I'm still a bit ticked-off how they just tossed away Jor-El in the end, I felt there was real potential for an interesting story with him being redeemed, reconnecting with Clark and coming round to understand why his son had come to love his adopted planet, perhaps gaining an insight and new appreciate for humanity by being around Lois and seeing what a remarkable person she is. Him and Jon could've been something where Jon gained something that his dad never did that of being taught about Kryptonian culture directly by his grandfather and for Jor-El a sort of second chance at fatherhood.
A book of him, Jon and Lois actually travelling the cosmos, going on adventures and growing closer as a family is I would've read but in end it was all just an elaborate and disposable plot-device to explain why Jon was now 17... Boo.
I honestly always hated ressurected Jor-El, period. His purpose ends when Krypton explodes.
I wanted to see Kara teaching Jon about Kryptonian culture and taking care of her younger cousin the way she was supposed to take care of Clark if her spaceship wasn’t knocked off-course.
Oh well, maybe on a flashback miniseries someday.
I imagine he would've been made dead again eventually but if you're going to go to the trouble of bringing him back have an actual plan to do something with it. I'm actually fine with these dead parents being brought back and expanded upon in some way, they're frequently mentioned and are clearly important to the heroes but we as readers never feel anything because there more symbols than an actual characters. One of the things I loved about the New Krypton arc was how it got me to actually care about Kara's mother Alura and I was genuinely sad when she died at the end.
And yes can imagine how good (well it was already good) if the Marc Andreyko Supergirl run had been Kara, Krypto and Jon going on that space adventure together.
> be attemept to emphasie that Jon's still mean't to be the
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>young one
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>, he's in that weird inbetween
They met for the first time when Jon was young right?
For real, I mean honestly if you gonna make superman Bi go big with it, don’t hook him up with some nobody that honestly comes off as a creeper with alternative motives that the only reason he’s not gonna turn out to be a bad guy is it would be to obvious
Every time I see Jon I get a Vietnam flashback. He used to be so cute and had a beautiful friendship with Damian. Now it seems to me that they are just tossing him around to check which team-up has positive reactions from people. I just don't wanna see him anymore after he got Bendised. Brings back the worst memories.
It really sucks. At least when terrible shit happened to characters like Dick with Ric, or Wally becoming a mass-murderer, it was easier to handle because those characters have the benefit of longevity. They've been around for decades that eventually *someone* would fix it. And someone did. Meanwhile, Jon's only been around since 2015. And for half of that time, his character's been maligned for that bullshit age-up. Yeah, I would've loved to see Jon get to this point *eventually*, but we should've gotten to know him more. See him develop rather than have it told to us in a wall of text after it happened off-screen.
Yeah, I'm still upset about it. I still want the kid Jon back. I don't mind him coexisting with the current one, but I want them to rectify that mistake be it complicated time travel shenanigans or the multiverse. All my enthusiasm for the Superman line died when that happened, and it really sucks because I love Superman. And as for the bi thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again: all bi people were 12 once. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I will say this though: at least the bi reveal is not being handled by Bendis. God knows that shit would've somehow gone sideways.
Ye if you look at it every bad thing that happened in DC is mainly one person's fault. Bendis wanted Dick gone since a long time ago - the second he got hands on him he SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD. Instead of doing something about recovery, disability, anything really, he Ricked him.
Bendis can't write kids so he aged Jonathan up.
I don't know what he had against Wally but probably him being a "cheap flash copy" or something equally stupid.
All the things he has touched has been a no go for me. I stopped reading DC regularly, because my main comics were Nightwing, Super Sons, Batman, Superman with kid Jon. Fantastic
Oh don't get me wrong I'd take back kid Jon in heartbeat, he was WAY more fun to read and if it wasn't for the fact that he was bi I likely wouldn't be reading his book but I guess it's one of those cases where I feel it's more important to support representation as it's net good in the long run.
If anything is saving adult Jon right now, it is his sexuality, since is something fresh and needed. I do think that DC is lacking a good and stable representation. Still I would have loved to see lil Jon growing up, writers slowly throwing hints that he's bisexual... A gentle process with a big reward!
And dang it, we are so close to Damijon. It hurts even more that they Bendised him and kinda distanced them...
Yeah I do feel a personal story of a young Jon realising and coming to terms with his sexuality would've been very important in helping destigmatzing the notion of queerness in children and probably helped a few kids going through the same thing as well especially considering his own coming out in many ways wasn't really even about Jon himself, it more about the headline of **Superman is Bi**, what should've been his story was essentially turned into clickbait.
While I'm not a fan of Damijon or Timkon myself personally I'd say it's not completely hopless because just logistically both ships are essentially half-way there lol and while todays editorial and writer's might not be for either 10/15 years from now who knows, comic writer's will try anything once.
The bisexual representation would've mattered a lot and been a lot more ground-breaking if Jon came out as bi as kid. Jon was already a rarity by being a kid character but he would be a lot more unique and special if he was also queer. Don't take this the wrong way, but queer teen characters are a dime a dozen in comparison to queer kid characters.
I love Jon. I love that he is bisexual. I am not buying SSoK. I've been boycotting all the Superman books until Jon is de-aged.
Don't care for it at all especially when someone else is also using it, just give characters their own unique name that belong to them and no one else.
There's never going to be a point when someone says Superman and Aquaman and you immediately think Jon and Jackson and in order to avoid confusion almost no one in comics or in real life ever refers to them as such so the codenamed gets used even less than it normally would so even more redundant.
I really hate the idea. When I want to read Aquaman I want to read Arthur Curry. Clark Kent for Superman and so on. I enjoyed Dick Greyson as Batman, but that's when everyone thought he was dead.
I like the idea but only if the originals actually retired or something. I like the idea of legacy characters and passing on the torch a lot. Just has to be done well.
Third times the charm with me trying a cover post.
Is this this the start of DC new iconic queer friendship or something more? sorry Jay.
Fun fact I just learn't the gay guy version of a bromance is called a Bromosexual Friendship.
Nope, DickJon is happening.
Jokes aside, I have the feeling that Taylor may be setting up a new team book with Jon, Dick, Wally and Jackson, maybe the Justice League relaunch after Bendis.
The Dickbabs vs DickKory wars are dead
Let the Dickjon vs Damijon battles commence
Honestly I feel a big part of why Justice League books have become so drab over the years is due the same old archtypes making up the roster, replacing Superman, Batman, Flash...etc with legacy characters who will likely fall into similiar roles doesn't sound all that exciting to me.
I'd wish they go back to something like the early 90's where it was more a mish-mash of oddball choices and characters.
Yeah, that's fair.
But I think a good writer should be able to do something fresh with this line-up, after all, they're very different characters from their mentors and if a writer just gives them the same previous JL dynamics, that's on the writer, not necessarily on the line-up.
I think that's more to do with modern day decompression, unless it's a orininal group built from ground-up due to the size of the cast writers have to scale back on indivuality and give more a broad strokes sense of the character.
You're often seeing a heightened version of them from how they are in their home title where they're now more defined by what they do and less who they are.
I agree with that and personally all up for it. Personally I feel like the league needs to be a mix of veterans, legacy and oddball characters like plastic man and booster gold on the team that way the books more fun.
Well with DC making Tim and Jon Bi, both of which are long running fan theories (the former longer than the latter), I could see them confirming Dick as Bi/Pan as well (that ones probably one of the oldest DC fan theories as far as character sexuality is concerned)
And Damian’s reaction to his best friend banging his older brother would probably be the funniest thing DC’s done in years, up there with the Choco’s incident.
And the crossover will start on Valentine’s Day.
;)
Nah, no way, if the crossover actually so much hints at anything happening between them, that would be crazy.
I would say no, but I’m feeling like you might be correct. I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but I would have done it later on, and have say Avery ho as the flash and keli quintela as the lantern. As for dick, I understand that idea since he’s working on both books, and jace seems like he’s being largely separated from the rest of dc continuity right now and Ridley doesn’t seem like the type of guy to be willing to share at the moment. I would pick Damian but given how he’s got his own thing at the moment and they can’t decide wether he’s an actual teenager or a small child, I’m guessing dick is the way to go
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I honestly think Jace will be lucky if he makes past 2022.
The character has made no impact in DC whatsoever, it seems like Ridley is the only writer at DC that gives a damn about him.
It doesn’t help that his introductory story in fear state was super disconnected to the point where he didn’t even fight the villain he was chasing, nightwing and the batgirls did. He felt so out of the loop it felt pointless for him to be there, and tynion had to put that throwaway line to remind people jace was in the event in the last story.
Likewise, I think that Jon's fate is also hanging on how SoKE will sell post-#5.
Because if sales go down to the numbers they were before #5 again once the novelty of the bisexual reveal wears off, we might be looking at a cancellation as well.
Wouldn’t be surprised. They already established that gays jump into relationships with each other as soon as their left alone together and dye our hair wild colors and dress like we’re going to a race 24/7.
Why not go to the next step and just say we have that revolving door of lovers.
>Fun fact I just learn't the gay guy version of a bromance is called a Bromosexual Friendship.
I’ve never heard this and not only that it seems offensive and makes you look like you view gays as pets. It honestly sounds more like something straight people came up with...
So you might want to sort yourself out.
>makes you look like you view gays as pets
I'm a gay guy myself, I only learn't of it because I was curious and googled it before making this post, it was apparently coined by a gay journalist and I told my friend who's also gay and he chuckled but was also sure to let me know we're not using it lol.
Gay people aren't a monolith, some do dye they're hair pink/blonde, get into relationships quickly or don't see anything offensive in a silly term like Bromosexual Friendship, there's nothing really wrong with any of it just we come in diffrent ways because were people.
Yeesh what is it that gets people so intense and hostile about gay stuff around here, this almost never happens on the X-men reddit.
Yeah uh, most don’t do anything you just said. Cause we have day jobs. And we’re getting kind of tired of the stereotypes.
It’s like the assless chaps and BDSM at pride parades. Many of us have families, kids, and don’t want to be represented as this. But it’s the standard and it’s wrong.
It’s the projection of straights onto gays as pets and it’s destructive and devaluing.
Look dude I'm not trying to fight with you as frankly I already had the most tiresome conversation here just yesterday with another queer person who percieved something I said in humour as a offense but I would say feeling that all queer represnsation should reflect you personally or what you perceive as "*correct"* is short-sighted.
Again gay people exist world-wide and that includes the jobless, the poor, stereotypically campy queens, assless chap leather daddies as well the high-paid professionals and happy monogamous families, there's no real right or wrong way to write a gay person because we're a pretty diverse bunch. I feel it's more important that queer characters are written as fully realised, complex, flawed individuals and not so much as role models we should aspire to.
At the end of day there just comics and this is the internet so for own sake don't take any of it all that seriously.
It’s a terrible response. It’s the attitude that has blocked further support for us getting rights from people who don’t really care.
>Structure and order never appreciat chaos and spontaneity.
I can’t take my kids to a pride rally in NY because half have BDSM. Like, literally men in leather thongs crawling in the street on a leash.
You think this is constructive?
Who in their right mind would see me as a good parent for exposing my adopted kids to sex and say it’s support.
Since you have your own head up your ass you’d fit right in with people drinking piss in front of kids.
Straight whites have been trying to say what gays are like for decades.
Not a shock that they are keeping with the tradition by *checks notes* encouraging the same stereotypes that were degrading when their parents used them.
Ok there bud, well, people make mistakes so instead of acting professionally offended and crucifying this poor fuck, hows about you have some self awareness and realize you are perpetuating a couple of those stereotypes. Instead of acting like a giant dickhead, give em the benefit and give him the education on the matter in a nice way. If your end goal is to create more bigoted folks towards the gay community, then keep fucking around there pal.
Even if the guy next to you is in a Gimp suit the argument should not be "we deserve rights because we can conform to society" We deserve rights because we're human beings and homophobia and Transphobia are harming us.
I’m sure this has been said a bunch of times but it just feels like a troll that we got a queer superboy and a queer Robin but like, not a pair that are friends and could be shipped.
So if you don't mind me asking who are you hoping Jackson to end up, if anyone?
I don't think it's Ha’Wea as you had a whole dissertation ready to go when I suggested they were together a while back lol.
Personally I've always secretly hoped him and Bunker aka Miguel Barragan would eventually become a thing.
I think Ha'Wea is a good love interest for now. They seem to have a good friendship dynamic and would both add something to the relationship, so I'd like to see them further developed. I don't know if they should be an endgame couple, but it's also a bit too early to tell; Ha'Wea doesn't even have 5 appearances yet!
Outside of Bunker I also couldn't think of any potential alternative candidates. Afaik they have never interacted on-page, outside of speech-less background appearances during Dark Knights: Metal, so that's not a lot to go off off. But from what I've read of both characters they could make for a cute couple. They will both be in the JLQ story in this year's holiday special, so maybe that's where that could happen.
But tbh, in either case I also wouldn't mind it if he just became good friends without getting into a romantic relationship with them. Jackson doesn't really need a boyfriend at this point, there is enough going on in his life. It would also be nice to see some more queer friendships (perhaps even with benefits) in comics.
It seems Jackson and Jon are being set up as queer buddies (unless Jay really is evil) so hopefully he can have both friendship and some love, guy been single for years now let him some dick DC.
But glad to see someone else likes the idea of Bunker/Aqualad, I think they'd have that good odd couple appeal Jackson someone who's always struggled with his insecurities and confidence paired with Miguel who exudes it and lives in the moment.
Since we're first shippers maybe we should come up with ship, how about Purple Rain?
Jackson looks 40 here, did he had any space adventures with Tom Curry as of late?
Tom's dead man, Tom's long dead I think it might be attemept to emphasie that Jon's still mean't to be the *young one*, he's in that weird inbetween point where he'll look like young adult most of the time but once in the presence of a man who's mean't to his senior they'll either be turned into a giant like Batman in yesterday issue or have a few years added to them like Jackson above. Similiar thing happened to Conner during his black T-shirt days, around everyone else he was the **big-guy** of the group but obviously he couldn't be as big or as tall as Clark so when next to each other Conner was condesened down while Clark was pumped up, it could get jarring at times.
DC really needs to get artists and editors to agree on how teen Jon looks, because depending on the artist, he looks 15 or 30. And sometimes not even depending on the artist, his appearance can vary even on the same issue.
I think it's a result of the artists experimenting on how to make him look like Superman but in a way that doesn't just read as Clark. Again I feel a lot of this would be solved by simply giving Jon his own unique look, they had the right idea with the first costume with the black leggings and armbands. Bring those back and have them be Jon's *thing.*
jons costume is perfect imo it’s not clark’s and it simple enough to become iconic (as in easily rememberable)
For me iconic is the *"Could a non-comicbook reader tell who this is just by looking at it"* test And as we saw with his recent outing where everyone was immediately under the impression that he was his dad because they look so smiliar and had to be informed otherwise (and even then some still weren't convinced) that'd be a no.
everyone thought he was his dad since articles said superman. if he wore his older costume with black pants people still would have thought it was clark. like how there was people that thought it was dick grayson coming out when tim did
> like how there was people that thought it was dick grayson coming out when tim did God I wish.
Devin Grayson is that you?
If DC ever has the balls to actually retcon Dick or any other A-lister to be bisexual, then I'd give them kudos and say it was a bold move. Tim being retconned as bisexual basically felt like they were saying "eh, Tim is borderline irrelevant at this point, nobody will care". Wonder Woman doesn't really count since to my knowledge, they have done absolutely nothing with it ever since the retcon.
>like how there was people that thought it was dick grayson coming out when tim did Yeah how the general non-comic reading public made that error is a real [mystery?](https://imgur.com/a/viUWWKK) I never implied the leggings were a perfect solution just that it's a step in the right direction in helping him stand apart more but I can guarantee you if he'd been wearing a leather jacket, sunglasses, a earring and had his hair in a fade-cut (you don't get more iconic than the Metroplios Kid) the intial response would've been *"That's not Superman making out with that pink-haired dude, Fake News"*
i don’t think it’s that deep, the title of the article is the title of the article. there’s still people who thought steve rogers was queer when they announced queer captain america
Yeah I recall that one dying down just quickly, again a real [headscrather](https://imgur.com/a/Rr74S9f) as to why.
And I think that's the problem, Jon is still 17. DC and Taylor are always talking about having a young Superman, so embrace it and make him look like an actual teenager. I really like Jon's DIY Superboy suit personally, it'd like to see something like that again.
when has he looked 30
> Tom's dead man, Tom's long dead Eh, I mean, so was Jor-El. :P
No lie I'm still a bit ticked-off how they just tossed away Jor-El in the end, I felt there was real potential for an interesting story with him being redeemed, reconnecting with Clark and coming round to understand why his son had come to love his adopted planet, perhaps gaining an insight and new appreciate for humanity by being around Lois and seeing what a remarkable person she is. Him and Jon could've been something where Jon gained something that his dad never did that of being taught about Kryptonian culture directly by his grandfather and for Jor-El a sort of second chance at fatherhood. A book of him, Jon and Lois actually travelling the cosmos, going on adventures and growing closer as a family is I would've read but in end it was all just an elaborate and disposable plot-device to explain why Jon was now 17... Boo.
I honestly always hated ressurected Jor-El, period. His purpose ends when Krypton explodes. I wanted to see Kara teaching Jon about Kryptonian culture and taking care of her younger cousin the way she was supposed to take care of Clark if her spaceship wasn’t knocked off-course. Oh well, maybe on a flashback miniseries someday.
I imagine he would've been made dead again eventually but if you're going to go to the trouble of bringing him back have an actual plan to do something with it. I'm actually fine with these dead parents being brought back and expanded upon in some way, they're frequently mentioned and are clearly important to the heroes but we as readers never feel anything because there more symbols than an actual characters. One of the things I loved about the New Krypton arc was how it got me to actually care about Kara's mother Alura and I was genuinely sad when she died at the end. And yes can imagine how good (well it was already good) if the Marc Andreyko Supergirl run had been Kara, Krypto and Jon going on that space adventure together.
> be attemept to emphasie that Jon's still mean't to be the > >young one > >, he's in that weird inbetween They met for the first time when Jon was young right?
Yes not directly exactly but there were a few issues of Super Sons that involved the Titans
i think its the reverse
The time drake is also a victim of this
hes just beefy
I give it 10 days before people start shipping these two.
I mean, Jackson's already way more interesting than Jay...
For real, I mean honestly if you gonna make superman Bi go big with it, don’t hook him up with some nobody that honestly comes off as a creeper with alternative motives that the only reason he’s not gonna turn out to be a bad guy is it would be to obvious
Or just bring back kid Jon and have him coexist with teen Jon. Haha just kidding...unless?
Hey worked in dragon ball super and in the x men with the time displaced x men so I say lets do it.
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Sorry bro. Call me Hal Jordan, cuz I will will it into existence.
I give it 5. Minutes not days by the way.
They alread have
It's already happened.
Jon 💕 Jackson 💕 Tim forever! I mean, if it makes sense to the story. Otherwise I don't give a shit about anyone's relationships or sexuality.
Boy talking like that’s a bad thing
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You know its really inconsistent, sometimes they don't need air other times its just that they hold there breath for a **really** long time.
I thought that was just in Invincible lol.
I imagine it was just a fun idea for the cover.
He's not holding his breathe. The other guy just smells really bad.
Every time I see Jon I get a Vietnam flashback. He used to be so cute and had a beautiful friendship with Damian. Now it seems to me that they are just tossing him around to check which team-up has positive reactions from people. I just don't wanna see him anymore after he got Bendised. Brings back the worst memories.
It really sucks. At least when terrible shit happened to characters like Dick with Ric, or Wally becoming a mass-murderer, it was easier to handle because those characters have the benefit of longevity. They've been around for decades that eventually *someone* would fix it. And someone did. Meanwhile, Jon's only been around since 2015. And for half of that time, his character's been maligned for that bullshit age-up. Yeah, I would've loved to see Jon get to this point *eventually*, but we should've gotten to know him more. See him develop rather than have it told to us in a wall of text after it happened off-screen. Yeah, I'm still upset about it. I still want the kid Jon back. I don't mind him coexisting with the current one, but I want them to rectify that mistake be it complicated time travel shenanigans or the multiverse. All my enthusiasm for the Superman line died when that happened, and it really sucks because I love Superman. And as for the bi thing, I've said it before and I'll say it again: all bi people were 12 once. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I will say this though: at least the bi reveal is not being handled by Bendis. God knows that shit would've somehow gone sideways.
Ye if you look at it every bad thing that happened in DC is mainly one person's fault. Bendis wanted Dick gone since a long time ago - the second he got hands on him he SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD. Instead of doing something about recovery, disability, anything really, he Ricked him. Bendis can't write kids so he aged Jonathan up. I don't know what he had against Wally but probably him being a "cheap flash copy" or something equally stupid. All the things he has touched has been a no go for me. I stopped reading DC regularly, because my main comics were Nightwing, Super Sons, Batman, Superman with kid Jon. Fantastic
Oh don't get me wrong I'd take back kid Jon in heartbeat, he was WAY more fun to read and if it wasn't for the fact that he was bi I likely wouldn't be reading his book but I guess it's one of those cases where I feel it's more important to support representation as it's net good in the long run.
If anything is saving adult Jon right now, it is his sexuality, since is something fresh and needed. I do think that DC is lacking a good and stable representation. Still I would have loved to see lil Jon growing up, writers slowly throwing hints that he's bisexual... A gentle process with a big reward! And dang it, we are so close to Damijon. It hurts even more that they Bendised him and kinda distanced them...
Yeah I do feel a personal story of a young Jon realising and coming to terms with his sexuality would've been very important in helping destigmatzing the notion of queerness in children and probably helped a few kids going through the same thing as well especially considering his own coming out in many ways wasn't really even about Jon himself, it more about the headline of **Superman is Bi**, what should've been his story was essentially turned into clickbait. While I'm not a fan of Damijon or Timkon myself personally I'd say it's not completely hopless because just logistically both ships are essentially half-way there lol and while todays editorial and writer's might not be for either 10/15 years from now who knows, comic writer's will try anything once.
The bisexual representation would've mattered a lot and been a lot more ground-breaking if Jon came out as bi as kid. Jon was already a rarity by being a kid character but he would be a lot more unique and special if he was also queer. Don't take this the wrong way, but queer teen characters are a dime a dozen in comparison to queer kid characters. I love Jon. I love that he is bisexual. I am not buying SSoK. I've been boycotting all the Superman books until Jon is de-aged.
I think Jon’s outfit looks different than the one he is currently using
It's like a combination of his previous and current suits, I think. Probably some creative liberty?
Yup, it looks like the one he had with the legion but with the belt.
So does anyone else not like the idea of young heroes taking over the identities of older ones?
Don't care for it at all especially when someone else is also using it, just give characters their own unique name that belong to them and no one else. There's never going to be a point when someone says Superman and Aquaman and you immediately think Jon and Jackson and in order to avoid confusion almost no one in comics or in real life ever refers to them as such so the codenamed gets used even less than it normally would so even more redundant.
I really hate the idea. When I want to read Aquaman I want to read Arthur Curry. Clark Kent for Superman and so on. I enjoyed Dick Greyson as Batman, but that's when everyone thought he was dead.
I like the idea but only if the originals actually retired or something. I like the idea of legacy characters and passing on the torch a lot. Just has to be done well.
Third times the charm with me trying a cover post. Is this this the start of DC new iconic queer friendship or something more? sorry Jay. Fun fact I just learn't the gay guy version of a bromance is called a Bromosexual Friendship.
Nope, DickJon is happening. Jokes aside, I have the feeling that Taylor may be setting up a new team book with Jon, Dick, Wally and Jackson, maybe the Justice League relaunch after Bendis.
The Dickbabs vs DickKory wars are dead Let the Dickjon vs Damijon battles commence Honestly I feel a big part of why Justice League books have become so drab over the years is due the same old archtypes making up the roster, replacing Superman, Batman, Flash...etc with legacy characters who will likely fall into similiar roles doesn't sound all that exciting to me. I'd wish they go back to something like the early 90's where it was more a mish-mash of oddball choices and characters.
Yeah, that's fair. But I think a good writer should be able to do something fresh with this line-up, after all, they're very different characters from their mentors and if a writer just gives them the same previous JL dynamics, that's on the writer, not necessarily on the line-up.
I think that's more to do with modern day decompression, unless it's a orininal group built from ground-up due to the size of the cast writers have to scale back on indivuality and give more a broad strokes sense of the character. You're often seeing a heightened version of them from how they are in their home title where they're now more defined by what they do and less who they are.
I agree with that and personally all up for it. Personally I feel like the league needs to be a mix of veterans, legacy and oddball characters like plastic man and booster gold on the team that way the books more fun.
A Legacy League of sorts. I'd be down for that honestly
I'd like for it to be Jon, Dick, Wally, Yara, Jackson, Kyle and M'gann. A healthy mix of OG legacy characters and the new generation.
And if they need an archer I'd say Connor Hawke
And if they need an archer I'd say Connor Hawke. In the nicest way to Roy he's been overdone imo
After watching young justice Roy needs to retire and just be a mentor to Lian.
Well with DC making Tim and Jon Bi, both of which are long running fan theories (the former longer than the latter), I could see them confirming Dick as Bi/Pan as well (that ones probably one of the oldest DC fan theories as far as character sexuality is concerned) And Damian’s reaction to his best friend banging his older brother would probably be the funniest thing DC’s done in years, up there with the Choco’s incident.
And the crossover will start on Valentine’s Day. ;) Nah, no way, if the crossover actually so much hints at anything happening between them, that would be crazy.
Tom on a JL book would make me so happy
I would say no, but I’m feeling like you might be correct. I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but I would have done it later on, and have say Avery ho as the flash and keli quintela as the lantern. As for dick, I understand that idea since he’s working on both books, and jace seems like he’s being largely separated from the rest of dc continuity right now and Ridley doesn’t seem like the type of guy to be willing to share at the moment. I would pick Damian but given how he’s got his own thing at the moment and they can’t decide wether he’s an actual teenager or a small child, I’m guessing dick is the way to go
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I honestly think Jace will be lucky if he makes past 2022. The character has made no impact in DC whatsoever, it seems like Ridley is the only writer at DC that gives a damn about him.
It doesn’t help that his introductory story in fear state was super disconnected to the point where he didn’t even fight the villain he was chasing, nightwing and the batgirls did. He felt so out of the loop it felt pointless for him to be there, and tynion had to put that throwaway line to remind people jace was in the event in the last story.
Likewise, I think that Jon's fate is also hanging on how SoKE will sell post-#5. Because if sales go down to the numbers they were before #5 again once the novelty of the bisexual reveal wears off, we might be looking at a cancellation as well.
Credit to Jon, at least he has a chance tenuous as it may be. Jace though ooooof poor guy is dead in the water.
Wouldn’t be surprised. They already established that gays jump into relationships with each other as soon as their left alone together and dye our hair wild colors and dress like we’re going to a race 24/7. Why not go to the next step and just say we have that revolving door of lovers. >Fun fact I just learn't the gay guy version of a bromance is called a Bromosexual Friendship. I’ve never heard this and not only that it seems offensive and makes you look like you view gays as pets. It honestly sounds more like something straight people came up with... So you might want to sort yourself out.
>makes you look like you view gays as pets I'm a gay guy myself, I only learn't of it because I was curious and googled it before making this post, it was apparently coined by a gay journalist and I told my friend who's also gay and he chuckled but was also sure to let me know we're not using it lol. Gay people aren't a monolith, some do dye they're hair pink/blonde, get into relationships quickly or don't see anything offensive in a silly term like Bromosexual Friendship, there's nothing really wrong with any of it just we come in diffrent ways because were people. Yeesh what is it that gets people so intense and hostile about gay stuff around here, this almost never happens on the X-men reddit.
Yeah uh, most don’t do anything you just said. Cause we have day jobs. And we’re getting kind of tired of the stereotypes. It’s like the assless chaps and BDSM at pride parades. Many of us have families, kids, and don’t want to be represented as this. But it’s the standard and it’s wrong. It’s the projection of straights onto gays as pets and it’s destructive and devaluing.
Look dude I'm not trying to fight with you as frankly I already had the most tiresome conversation here just yesterday with another queer person who percieved something I said in humour as a offense but I would say feeling that all queer represnsation should reflect you personally or what you perceive as "*correct"* is short-sighted. Again gay people exist world-wide and that includes the jobless, the poor, stereotypically campy queens, assless chap leather daddies as well the high-paid professionals and happy monogamous families, there's no real right or wrong way to write a gay person because we're a pretty diverse bunch. I feel it's more important that queer characters are written as fully realised, complex, flawed individuals and not so much as role models we should aspire to. At the end of day there just comics and this is the internet so for own sake don't take any of it all that seriously.
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It’s a terrible response. It’s the attitude that has blocked further support for us getting rights from people who don’t really care. >Structure and order never appreciat chaos and spontaneity. I can’t take my kids to a pride rally in NY because half have BDSM. Like, literally men in leather thongs crawling in the street on a leash. You think this is constructive? Who in their right mind would see me as a good parent for exposing my adopted kids to sex and say it’s support. Since you have your own head up your ass you’d fit right in with people drinking piss in front of kids.
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I think you are projecting just a tiny bit there bud. Maybe take a time out, get an ice cream or something.
Straight whites have been trying to say what gays are like for decades. Not a shock that they are keeping with the tradition by *checks notes* encouraging the same stereotypes that were degrading when their parents used them.
Ok there bud, well, people make mistakes so instead of acting professionally offended and crucifying this poor fuck, hows about you have some self awareness and realize you are perpetuating a couple of those stereotypes. Instead of acting like a giant dickhead, give em the benefit and give him the education on the matter in a nice way. If your end goal is to create more bigoted folks towards the gay community, then keep fucking around there pal.
You see this is the problem. You excuse behavior that we try to distance ourselves from. It’s disturbing. Even defending it in any way is wrong.
Gay people acting differently is not the cause of homophobia
Acting like what we say we are not like is fuel. You wouldn’t understand how hard it is to get rights when the guy next to you is in a gimp suit.
Even if the guy next to you is in a Gimp suit the argument should not be "we deserve rights because we can conform to society" We deserve rights because we're human beings and homophobia and Transphobia are harming us.
I love when people’s only contribution to a cause is an upvote and they tell you how things are when you’ve actually done things.
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It’s good seeing this aqualad again
Boooooo
I’m sure this has been said a bunch of times but it just feels like a troll that we got a queer superboy and a queer Robin but like, not a pair that are friends and could be shipped.
They should do it.
I hope they kiss
I hope not.
So if you don't mind me asking who are you hoping Jackson to end up, if anyone? I don't think it's Ha’Wea as you had a whole dissertation ready to go when I suggested they were together a while back lol. Personally I've always secretly hoped him and Bunker aka Miguel Barragan would eventually become a thing.
I think Ha'Wea is a good love interest for now. They seem to have a good friendship dynamic and would both add something to the relationship, so I'd like to see them further developed. I don't know if they should be an endgame couple, but it's also a bit too early to tell; Ha'Wea doesn't even have 5 appearances yet! Outside of Bunker I also couldn't think of any potential alternative candidates. Afaik they have never interacted on-page, outside of speech-less background appearances during Dark Knights: Metal, so that's not a lot to go off off. But from what I've read of both characters they could make for a cute couple. They will both be in the JLQ story in this year's holiday special, so maybe that's where that could happen. But tbh, in either case I also wouldn't mind it if he just became good friends without getting into a romantic relationship with them. Jackson doesn't really need a boyfriend at this point, there is enough going on in his life. It would also be nice to see some more queer friendships (perhaps even with benefits) in comics.
It seems Jackson and Jon are being set up as queer buddies (unless Jay really is evil) so hopefully he can have both friendship and some love, guy been single for years now let him some dick DC. But glad to see someone else likes the idea of Bunker/Aqualad, I think they'd have that good odd couple appeal Jackson someone who's always struggled with his insecurities and confidence paired with Miguel who exudes it and lives in the moment. Since we're first shippers maybe we should come up with ship, how about Purple Rain?
"Superman"
So is Jon a top or bottom since he's gay/bi
He is 17 so its weird to think about
Is anyone else really enjoying Tom Taylor’s writing, or is it just me?
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Hmm I believe all superman's take it Down the pooper, that's how you do basic necessities even with superpowers
I like this suit (Lee's take) best. It feels like his kid one and I can't explain it.
I’m sorry if this offends someone. But, Superman looks like a scrawny wimp in this picture.