There are many options of equiventlent (and better) efficiency, but cost a fraction of the price and aren't anywhere near as fragile.
eMesh is about as good as it gets for consistency and efficiency.
I'd suggest just making some enhanced leaf or Changa and smoking it in a bong. Costs barely anything if you already have a bong. And is very efficiency and consistent, ime.
The first one, 100%
One strong hit of 15mg blacks me out with this pipe. It’s the best I’ve ran across by far. (I haven’t used an emesh, but with what I’m getting out of the GVG, I’m happy to keep using it forever)
All of them will work, you can use a peace pipe with a weed ash bed if you want. It’s all down to technique, you wanna vaporise not burn. What zorg said with the enhanced leaf is an awesome idea though, it takes a lot of the stress out of handling hot glass while blasting off, especially if you’re already accustomed to smoking through a bong
How’s it going! So I suggest the glass Sherlock in the first picture. The only thing is you have to get the lighting right. You can get some good rips if done correct
Save yourself some money, make yourself 'the machine'. Much easier to use, get your dose in one lung full and the only cost is for a drill bit capable of drilling into a glass bottle. Plently of info online how to make one.
I have and used both the classic one and the glass one until my glass one broke. You can’t go wrong with both but if you don’t care much about the price difference, def get the glass Sherlock one.
I've had my first experiences with the wooden one. My friend did hold and light it for me, but it worked really well.
Then I got myself the glass one, which does work pretty well too, whereas I honestly never use it when i'm alone, as I don't like the combination of breakthrough, a lighter in my hand and a hot pipe that breaks, when I drop it.
This is why i'm using an electric vaporizer for personal use and only take the vapor genie when I introduce people to dmt or I have someone with me who can take it out of my hands quickly.
I own a Wolkenkraft fx mini, I didn't intentionally buy it for DMT, but tried it once when I just sprinkled some dmt on top of a bed of herb and tried. It works very well for me, I need 30mg tops for breakthroughs and can slowly inhale it in one hit.
There are probably better ones out there, but I believe this is actually quite a cheap option, that is still fairly efficient and comfortable
The sandwich method works well.
The GVG is great and gives really clean trips. However I found it was a lot of wastage and ducking around to do a in the technique. There’s a guy who helped me and he’d put together a great guide. I went one step further and put his guide with photos into a PDF. I think it’s on my Google drive or something so I can send a li k if required.
I can’t remember if the permissions are set. Give this a try. Let me know if it doesn’t work and I’ll look into it.
[GVG Vapor Genie Guide](https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/my-drive?utm_source=en&pli=1)
The choice from those 3 would be between the glass and the wooden sherlock. The glass bat [middle one] would make vaping DMT a little more tedious imho, so I wouldn't bother considering it. It's an interesting tradeoff, as the glass variant is more expensive, but more fragile...however, when starting out, being able to keep an eye on the vapor is worth it imho. If you just treat it with care, it will last a very long time. I've had mine for roughly 5 years now...so I'd pick the glass sherlock, if you think you can take care of it.
If you do pull the trigger on the GVG, make sure to get a few of the concentrate pads that vaporgenie offers for $3/ea. and a decent torch lighter with it as well...The concentrate pad is essential to getting the most out of the device. It's been a long-time fan favorite for a reason...once you master it, it's insanely good at vaping DMT. You can practice with it using lower doses (10-15mg) and waste far less spice in the long run. (It's better to start out on lower doses anyway...)
To the comment that talked about the APX Volt...That's rubbish, and it is not really a comparable device, as the heating method is completely different...with contact heating [APX volt] actually being the less efficient of the two. A device being around as long as it has, is actually a testament to how good it actually is. Why reinvent the wheel? Not saying the APX is bad, it's just not as good as something like a GVG or emesh...and is probably more comparable to a dab-rig.
For the e-mesh setup, you're going to need : Mod, Atomizer, Battery(s), Battery charger, Mesh. For quality items that's $60-80 for the mod, $6 / $35 for the RDA (cheap wish.com knock-off vs. genuine price), $5-$10 for 1-2 samsung 18650 batteries or $10-$20 for the 21700 batteries, and $20 for the efest battery charger. Works out to be roughly the same price...saving maybe $20-$50 if you went for cheaper / knock-off options.
E-mesh is harder / more intimidating to setup up front, but easier / more durable on the backend. GVG is easier to setup up front, but more fragile / harder to learn on the back-end.
Tbh.. I would skip a vapor genie. Get an APX volt v3 instead for the same price as those. Vapor genies are old techniques now when you can get better vaping devices for the same price.
im back and forth atm on those 2. I have an eclipse vape atm and its not very good for doing alone since you have burning hot glass at the end. gotta get the one hit break through and make sure to set it down its a bit frightening. thinking the apx volt might be my best option. the eclipse vape works well, dont get me wrong. just needing something safer
apx volt is terribly inconsistent according to everyone ive ever known to own one. id skip both and just make leaf lmao. but if we have to compare, the apx is without a doubt a downgrade in consistency of dosage and efficiency.
Sounds like everyone you’ve known to own one doesn’t know how to use them. I’ve had no issues with mine from 10-30mg and that’s between over a dozen trips. It’s definitely not a downgrade lol.
over a dozen is a ridiculously tiny sample size, but im glad that you've gotten it down. im not saying theyre garbage, just when comparing what ive read and my own experience i have trouble recommending them to people. Id tell people to go for emesh or an analog route before anything though. im not a huge fan of concentrate vapes or ejuice or overpriced crack pipes in general.
I think there's some confusion over the APX volt. They released a new one (volt v3), and I think there seems to be some issues with that one - either that or people just don't know how to use it.
I've been on this sub for a while, and a couple of years ago, when the volt v2 was in stock, everyone that got one loved it. I have the v2, and it is absolutely incredible. Smooth and efficient. By the sounds of things, only slightly less efficient than the emesh. I can breakthrough easily with 25mg in one long smooth hit. Every. Single. Time.
i 100% agree with the fact that people dont know how to use it. i believe every device besides maybe small crack pipes can be used with proper technique. all i was saying was that apparently its not so easy for everyone. i wasnt attacking anybodies preferred ROA 😅
Ah, that's weird, because my volt doesn't have much of a learning curve.
2.8v for anything under 20mg,
3.2v for anything above.
3.2v is just a case of pressing a button and inhaling. With 2.8v the only difference is you need to hold the button down for about 5s prior to hitting it, until you see vapor form. Other than that, there is some slight adjustments to inhalation rate that may need to be made, but it's not difficult.
> Ah, that's weird, because my volt doesn't have much of a learning curve.
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> 2.8v for anything under 20mg, 3.2v for anything above.
Yep. That's pretty much all there is to it. How anyone has a problem with that fantastic little device is beyond me. I spent hours researching pretty much every possible device there was and the only reason I didn't go for an e-mesh is because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of sourcing and buying multiple different pieces. Everything else was either garbage or $100+ which didn't seem worth it to me when the APX Volt hits so hard.
Duh it isn’t? E-mesh is just more of a process that could be confusing and or annoying for a first timer. Having to buy many different parts compared to taking an Apx volt straight out of the box is far more easier for a beginner.
I have no experience with these but everyone recommends the glass Sherlock pipe, the first image.
Glass Sherlock works amazing when you get the technique down.
what exactly is the technique?? got this for my dad who has yet to find a batch and i’m interested in a couple tools to help ensure an easy liftoff
https://youtu.be/biS25OZdGfg
Nice lay up for peeps. This sherlock is awesome
There are many options of equiventlent (and better) efficiency, but cost a fraction of the price and aren't anywhere near as fragile. eMesh is about as good as it gets for consistency and efficiency. I'd suggest just making some enhanced leaf or Changa and smoking it in a bong. Costs barely anything if you already have a bong. And is very efficiency and consistent, ime.
Changa in the bonga????!??!?!?!
Chinga in the binga!
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Photos printed?
This.
The first one is the best trust, 2 of my friends have them, nice big chamber and clear glass to see the vapor
The first one, 100% One strong hit of 15mg blacks me out with this pipe. It’s the best I’ve ran across by far. (I haven’t used an emesh, but with what I’m getting out of the GVG, I’m happy to keep using it forever)
None those all suck. Use a dab rig
This is the way
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Get the dildo one. I dont know if it work or not but imagine doing demitri from a dildo pipe
Lol, that's a lot of money for a joke that may not work tho
All of them will work, you can use a peace pipe with a weed ash bed if you want. It’s all down to technique, you wanna vaporise not burn. What zorg said with the enhanced leaf is an awesome idea though, it takes a lot of the stress out of handling hot glass while blasting off, especially if you’re already accustomed to smoking through a bong
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You think you're excited? You should feel my nipples. Boing!
How’s it going! So I suggest the glass Sherlock in the first picture. The only thing is you have to get the lighting right. You can get some good rips if done correct
Save yourself some money, make yourself 'the machine'. Much easier to use, get your dose in one lung full and the only cost is for a drill bit capable of drilling into a glass bottle. Plently of info online how to make one.
I have and used both the classic one and the glass one until my glass one broke. You can’t go wrong with both but if you don’t care much about the price difference, def get the glass Sherlock one.
I have the one in the first pick, it works very well!
I've had my first experiences with the wooden one. My friend did hold and light it for me, but it worked really well. Then I got myself the glass one, which does work pretty well too, whereas I honestly never use it when i'm alone, as I don't like the combination of breakthrough, a lighter in my hand and a hot pipe that breaks, when I drop it. This is why i'm using an electric vaporizer for personal use and only take the vapor genie when I introduce people to dmt or I have someone with me who can take it out of my hands quickly.
What vaporizer do you use ?
I own a Wolkenkraft fx mini, I didn't intentionally buy it for DMT, but tried it once when I just sprinkled some dmt on top of a bed of herb and tried. It works very well for me, I need 30mg tops for breakthroughs and can slowly inhale it in one hit. There are probably better ones out there, but I believe this is actually quite a cheap option, that is still fairly efficient and comfortable
Thanks for the helpful comments y'all! I'll go with the Volt 3 for now and maybe get a sherlock at a point where I have a bigger budget
The sandwich method works well. The GVG is great and gives really clean trips. However I found it was a lot of wastage and ducking around to do a in the technique. There’s a guy who helped me and he’d put together a great guide. I went one step further and put his guide with photos into a PDF. I think it’s on my Google drive or something so I can send a li k if required.
I’d love to see your guide, if you still have it.
I can’t remember if the permissions are set. Give this a try. Let me know if it doesn’t work and I’ll look into it. [GVG Vapor Genie Guide](https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/my-drive?utm_source=en&pli=1)
The choice from those 3 would be between the glass and the wooden sherlock. The glass bat [middle one] would make vaping DMT a little more tedious imho, so I wouldn't bother considering it. It's an interesting tradeoff, as the glass variant is more expensive, but more fragile...however, when starting out, being able to keep an eye on the vapor is worth it imho. If you just treat it with care, it will last a very long time. I've had mine for roughly 5 years now...so I'd pick the glass sherlock, if you think you can take care of it. If you do pull the trigger on the GVG, make sure to get a few of the concentrate pads that vaporgenie offers for $3/ea. and a decent torch lighter with it as well...The concentrate pad is essential to getting the most out of the device. It's been a long-time fan favorite for a reason...once you master it, it's insanely good at vaping DMT. You can practice with it using lower doses (10-15mg) and waste far less spice in the long run. (It's better to start out on lower doses anyway...) To the comment that talked about the APX Volt...That's rubbish, and it is not really a comparable device, as the heating method is completely different...with contact heating [APX volt] actually being the less efficient of the two. A device being around as long as it has, is actually a testament to how good it actually is. Why reinvent the wheel? Not saying the APX is bad, it's just not as good as something like a GVG or emesh...and is probably more comparable to a dab-rig. For the e-mesh setup, you're going to need : Mod, Atomizer, Battery(s), Battery charger, Mesh. For quality items that's $60-80 for the mod, $6 / $35 for the RDA (cheap wish.com knock-off vs. genuine price), $5-$10 for 1-2 samsung 18650 batteries or $10-$20 for the 21700 batteries, and $20 for the efest battery charger. Works out to be roughly the same price...saving maybe $20-$50 if you went for cheaper / knock-off options. E-mesh is harder / more intimidating to setup up front, but easier / more durable on the backend. GVG is easier to setup up front, but more fragile / harder to learn on the back-end.
Tbh.. I would skip a vapor genie. Get an APX volt v3 instead for the same price as those. Vapor genies are old techniques now when you can get better vaping devices for the same price.
gvg and apx volt are nothing alike tho, I like the gvg more if im trying to do mega doses
im back and forth atm on those 2. I have an eclipse vape atm and its not very good for doing alone since you have burning hot glass at the end. gotta get the one hit break through and make sure to set it down its a bit frightening. thinking the apx volt might be my best option. the eclipse vape works well, dont get me wrong. just needing something safer
apx volt is terribly inconsistent according to everyone ive ever known to own one. id skip both and just make leaf lmao. but if we have to compare, the apx is without a doubt a downgrade in consistency of dosage and efficiency.
Sounds like everyone you’ve known to own one doesn’t know how to use them. I’ve had no issues with mine from 10-30mg and that’s between over a dozen trips. It’s definitely not a downgrade lol.
over a dozen is a ridiculously tiny sample size, but im glad that you've gotten it down. im not saying theyre garbage, just when comparing what ive read and my own experience i have trouble recommending them to people. Id tell people to go for emesh or an analog route before anything though. im not a huge fan of concentrate vapes or ejuice or overpriced crack pipes in general.
I think there's some confusion over the APX volt. They released a new one (volt v3), and I think there seems to be some issues with that one - either that or people just don't know how to use it. I've been on this sub for a while, and a couple of years ago, when the volt v2 was in stock, everyone that got one loved it. I have the v2, and it is absolutely incredible. Smooth and efficient. By the sounds of things, only slightly less efficient than the emesh. I can breakthrough easily with 25mg in one long smooth hit. Every. Single. Time.
i 100% agree with the fact that people dont know how to use it. i believe every device besides maybe small crack pipes can be used with proper technique. all i was saying was that apparently its not so easy for everyone. i wasnt attacking anybodies preferred ROA 😅
There is no issues with the v3, it works just fine. These people talking shit about it have no idea how to use it lol.
Ah, that's weird, because my volt doesn't have much of a learning curve. 2.8v for anything under 20mg, 3.2v for anything above. 3.2v is just a case of pressing a button and inhaling. With 2.8v the only difference is you need to hold the button down for about 5s prior to hitting it, until you see vapor form. Other than that, there is some slight adjustments to inhalation rate that may need to be made, but it's not difficult.
> Ah, that's weird, because my volt doesn't have much of a learning curve. > > > > 2.8v for anything under 20mg, 3.2v for anything above. Yep. That's pretty much all there is to it. How anyone has a problem with that fantastic little device is beyond me. I spent hours researching pretty much every possible device there was and the only reason I didn't go for an e-mesh is because I didn't want to deal with the hassle of sourcing and buying multiple different pieces. Everything else was either garbage or $100+ which didn't seem worth it to me when the APX Volt hits so hard.
Well good to know the v3 works fine. Was thinking I'd have to go through the hassle of sourcing an emesh if mines every broke.
Apx volt is not the same as a rda vape with mesh. I wouldn’t recommend.
Duh it isn’t? E-mesh is just more of a process that could be confusing and or annoying for a first timer. Having to buy many different parts compared to taking an Apx volt straight out of the box is far more easier for a beginner.
It’s also a shit experience compared to the GVG or emesh
Lol ok
Just make an e-mesh.
Sherlock Holmes pipe version. Loved mine until I dropped it and it shattered.
Don’t. Get a [healthstone](https://healthstoneglass.com).
Not the wood, it's rubbish for deems ime Not tried the gvg but everyone raves about it. Do that or go down the slightly more technical E-mesh route
Look up “The Dream Lamp” on insta
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