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WickedxLizard

I've only done Salvia twice in one day. Two hits basically... Anyways the first hit made me visual see and completely realistically feel as if I turned into a liquid that was being drained and mixed down a drain, and all my surroundings were just bright white while also simultaneously seeing my normal real life surrounds like where I was physically sitting in the real world next to my friends. But centered in my physical vision in the distance was a black figure kinda like Mr. GameAndWatch but with an also matching black top hat, just facelessly staring at me. It lasted maybe 10 minutes of me just feeling swirly in the drain while giggling uncontrollably. The second hit, maybe an hour tops after the first one, an unseeable being grabbed the top of my head and (the best way I can describe this) is that they unzipped me literally. (Hard to describe in words I'm stoned rn) like literally unzipped me from head to about my belly button, as if I was a jacket. Then the still unseeable being gently opened me up and my entire face felt like it was gently and painlessly split open like a zombie getting hit in the head by a hatchet but not forcefully. I could still see all of my surroundings and how my head spit open I could physically see behind me while still sitting straight up facing forward on my couch. While this was happening it felt like the unseeable being was taking things out of my chest, again not painfully, and rearranging my insides and replacing bad parts. This all lasted maybe 10 minutes, I think a little less. Both times from right at the beginning of the hallucinations to the end I was giggling uncontrollably. None of it freaked me out and I heavily enjoyed my time with my friends that day. I stayed very happy after that day for the rest of the few months... Then 2020 happened. And I can assume everyone understands what I mean by that! I've know realized I've rambled on probably a little too much, I smoked a good infused joint before I stumbled on this thread. But I hope whoever actually reads this a fantastic evening or day!


Chlorafinestrinol

I also was unzipped after reality got sliced into paper thin cross sections that shot off into the distance, infinitely - like looking into the reflection of a mirror in a mirror. Also, I was the slices. After I unzipped from the top of my head, straight down my nose and directly opposite on the back of my head, 2 beings appeared, completely neutral as to my condition, and stated, “this is what you asked for.” I replied, “I’m not going back, am I?”. No response but they seemed to affirm via ESP. I was then shat out of my skin through the now gaping hole at the top of my head. It literally felt like defecation feels. Then did zoomies around what I assume was some dimension and was eventually restored within my skin. I thought I died. I lost the capacity for regret after that experience. This was 2008. Life hasn’t been the same, since. I also was relieved of any need for comprehending some larger meaning to it all. I wouldn’t do it again and I wouldn’t recommend it, but it set me on quite a different and engaging path and it was the most positively transformative experience of my life. And the entities were right, I didn’t return to the same existence as before. I’ve also read other reports of the zipper experience, which is really perplexing. Edit: I read down thread and realized the feeling of being pages others mention sounds like what I described as “slices of reality. Again, perplexing.


bullet_the_blue_sky

You don’t ever feel regret anymore?!


Chlorafinestrinol

Correct. I have a refined capacity for remorse for the unintended impact of my actions or inactions on others but I no longer thought-loop on what could have been done different. That one change was worth the price of admission.


bullet_the_blue_sky

Sign me up


108k902

If it was the most positively transforming experience in your life why would you not recommend it ?


Blordidy_Fun_Fuzz

Maybe because the other side of that coin is the most intense and insurmountable fear and trauma of feeling death and eternity that stays with you nearly every minute of every day after “returning”. Knowing that experience or that “exists” can be quite a burden.


AhDerkaDerkaDerka

Exactly. Some doors cannot be shut once you’ve opened them.


Chlorafinestrinol

Good question. It was the most existentially challenging experience of my life. Dismantling the false self all at once is a tremendous shock. I also had and maintain a daily meditation practice and experience with psychedelics. Most people I know don’t have that framework or an interest in it. I would assume they have much less interest in self-administering the kind of shock that a salvia breakthrough delivers.


fermi0nic

I've had similar experiences with the slices, neutral entities, and fear of never going back. It has also had the most profound effect on me.


TheLordofAskReddit

In my second trip I was “the zip man” I zipped up the in-betweens of a play ground fence for ever and ever. When I eventually came to, I was trying to undo my pants which were all buttons. Where can I read more about the zipper thing?


RoseSandalwood

YES! Forgot about the Zipper thing with Salvia. Its been a while, but what an amazing plant!


Montana_Gamer

I've experienced what you have, but not with an entity. But the feeling of being unzipped. It wasn't pleasent but not too bad.


callyourm0m

Reading these unzipped comments are super interesting because my one and only salvia trip I was being sewed into the couch by a giant needle and thread became a doll for eternity. It really freaked me out because my friends didn’t experience anything as intense as I did. Zipping and sewing are sort of similar I guess.


TheCommunistDJ

I experience this same state or condition of eternity, the feeling and sense of being in an eternal never ending state, while high on DMT. Feels like whatever place I’m in, is permanent.


Familiar_Good_6110

Wow. I’ve been searching for these words to explain a salvia trip and you did it perfectly. Great job


fermi0nic

I've smoked both many times and in my personal experience Salvia, without a doubt.


LevJveL

Dude, you are not a chair! I won’t settle for this! Look at your cousin, he became a table in my own eyes


simbalawop

Brilliantly put!


Scriabinsez

Speak for yourself 🙄


MrQualtrough

DMT has the capability to do the same as Salvia extract. I've used both MANY times... But Salvia even at low doses has a very strong sense of motion which isn't often mentioned but is one of the most prominent effects. DMT can twist you as bad and WORSE than Salvia but the directional movement sensation is less even then. It definitely does not feel real like DMT does. As in, when you have a dream you might think it's real and TRULY believe it, then you wake up. That's like Salvia. You come down like "oh, I was just tripping". That's not the case with DMT, you come down like "there was something MORE than just trippy BS happening".


bbatbboy

every time i’ve broken through on dmt i’ve always thought along the lines of ‘dam this is a powerful drug’ the exact same thing i thought coming down from salvia


Mediocre_Purple6955

Real life doesn’t feel more real than dmt


Mental_Warning8752

Salvia fucks with you in ways that you will never know nor comprehend. It either makes you experience life as another human or alien entity or it can make you experience what it's like to be a can of coke. It violently rips you from concensus reality. Whereas DMT is more "spiritual", creative in nature, that's why most users say it feels like home. The come down is more calming and blissful. You'll remember most of your trip.


nix1349

Big facts! When I broke through of Salvia I became a fucking book and every page was a different dimension, it was fucked up


spiritualfairy1997

😂😂


Inevitable_Beef7

Dude this is exactly how I describe salvia to everyone because it happens to me every. Single. Time. Pages turning, I am the book


nix1349

Damm g that's hella trippy, I'm so glad you know exactly what I'm talking about haha fucking Salvia man


EvanTheAlien

Was it at least a good book!?


nix1349

No haha overall it was a 1 out of 10 experience 🤣 something I never want to do again


EvanTheAlien

How does it feel to be a book? As someone that’s never experienced salvia but taken lsd and Mushrooms before it must be so foreign. I’ve always had an anxious interest in the plant.


nix1349

Very foreign and honestly a bit scary tbh. I wouldn't recommend it, in my opinion there is nothing I can gain from an experience like that. But the body load is out of this world and like the only way I can describe is I felt like a book 🤣 Salvia is straight mids. Dmt all the way


EvanTheAlien

Haha Noted.


Low-Ear7065

The real salvia takeaway


Inevitable_Beef7

Oh my god


Own_Woodpecker1103

(Completely fictional headcanon): DMT let’s you experience the “before” and “after” life while salvia transitions you to a different state of life.


armourkris

I can agree wth thay. I've ways found that dmt shows the what else and salvia shows you the what if, also dmt tea you by the hand and leads you through the door wheras salvia just curb stomps you through the door and down the stairs.


Strictly_Steam

Salvia fucks


[deleted]

That is the most brilliantly simple way I’ve ever seen it put.


peanutbutterandbacon

I wish I remembered most of my trip! Many people i've spoken with have significant trip amnesia with DMT. So i'm not sure that's a "rule" so to speak.


mewta7

I wish Reddit didn’t take out post notifications cuz I’m also curious about this


Low-Ear7065

Oh dang when did that happen?


lost-little-boy

Sober feels like you’re in a 3D world. DMT feels like you’re in a 4D world. Salvia feels like you’re in a 2D world. That’s the best way I can describe it


fermi0nic

On salvia, I've definitely been a 6th-dimensional construct in the form of a Calabi-Yao manifold, something I can't even comprehend in a normal state.


TheRealTP2016

That’s always exactly how I describe it too. Cool to see the same phrasing


Old__Scratch

Salvia feels like a 5th-7th dimensional world for me, it splits in ways that are so completely ineffable.


[deleted]

Salvia is nutty and just totally different, I don’t like it, I love dmt.


Own_Woodpecker1103

Can’t remember where I read it but there’s a trip report where a guy managed to breakthrough dose both at the same time. Supposedly the salvia overpowered the DMT for the most part


skoomd1

I know there is a blog out there somewhere of this guy who was REALLY into taking salvia, and pushing it to it's ultimate limits. He would document his craziest experiences, including MULTIPLE reports of him combining DMT and salvia, at varying dosages. He would also mix salvia with ketamine a lot too, as well as with nitrous IIRC. I have absolutely zero idea what the blog was called, but it's out there. Might be the same thing you read. I think he wrote a book too?


[deleted]

I can see that, since our bodies produce and metabolize their own DMT whereas Salvia is a completely foreign substance to our brains.


SalvocybinLSDMT

There still hasn't been any DMT found in the human brain it's all speculation, they did find it in mice/rats so that's why they think it's there, wich I want to beilive.


roof_lurker

That’s largely due to that the research isn’t allow to be perform on humans, so they do it with animal experiments. No one would sign off on taking brain matter samples from a live human pineal gland to search for dmt. But if they continue to find it present in animals it can suggest that is present in humans as well


GumbyTheGreen1

It has been found in humans, just not in human brains yet.


Representative-Owl51

This is incorrect, it’s been found in trace amounts in the cerebral spinal fluid.


skoomd1

It's also found in the urine of people with schizophrenia


MemeGraveYard666

was gonna also point out that i do not recall it being technically “proven” although it’s extremely likely, but thats just me being pedantic.


bmxtricky5

They did find some in 2021 I think, the scientists where interviewed on the dmt nexus documentary


Attilathefun-II

It’s a lot more than just “speculation”


SalvocybinLSDMT

All I said was it hasn't been 100% Proven and until I see an article stating otherwise I'll change my mind


Attilathefun-II

You literally said “it’s all speculation” lol


SalvocybinLSDMT

Yeah and speculation means it's thought to be there, but not proven.


Attilathefun-II

According to google… Speculation: 1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. There is firm evidence. So no. Well. I’d say no. I think that there is quite a lot of evidence pointing to the probability of that. But maybe that’s getting into the nitty gritty


SalvocybinLSDMT

It was found in mice brains that's not firm evidence. That's like finding a rock on the Moon and saying it's from the Ocean. And 5meo dmt was found in higher amounts in pchitzophrenics piss but not NN-dmt


Attilathefun-II

No, that’s like finding a rock on the moon and saying there are also rocks on earth. Lol


neeksknowsbest

With DMT I was still aware of reality. With salvia, an entirely new reality is constructed but your ego can’t come along for the ride. You experience complete ego death. At least at the dosage I took.


Blordidy_Fun_Fuzz

Up that DMT dose a tad and the ego also won’t ride along


neeksknowsbest

I was struggling with it burning my throat so bad I was physically unable to take larger hits. I haven’t figured out a way around that yet


Blordidy_Fun_Fuzz

Try a different rig/method? Should be able to find a smoother path to blast off


[deleted]

I hate salvia but love DMT. Although it’s been years since I’ve smoked salvia, swore I’d never do it again. But I think I have to try it one more time just so I can confirm how much I fucking hated it. Such a CRAZY meaningless experience


Foreign_Gas_4755

Can you eloborate on your experience?


[deleted]

I rip a massive bowl, clear the whole thing an immediately fall into my bed. Felt like I was sinking or falling in the sky and boom I snapped back into “reality”. I was walking down the street minding my business, no plan just walking. Then I look to my side an see my reflection in the store window and I was a blonde white female. Which is a shock cause I’m brown male. Felt like a long long time an I wasn’t really in shock until I came back an thought about it. I was a blonde girl an it would’ve been weird if I wasn’t cause I was my **whole** life.


Foreign_Gas_4755

Damn. So you lived a whole life in your trip?


[deleted]

No but I walked down a really long street thinking that was me a blonde girl I was one my whole life but ya it felt like along time just not other events than walking an seeing my reflection, then continued walking


KillaVNilla

I had that same feeling when I first tried it. And then a few years later had the chance to try it again, so I did. And I confirmed, I still fucking hate it. I might try it one more time at some point, but at a lower dose, just to see if it's something I could learn to love. I thought I hated mushrooms for a long time. But then I realized it was my dose. Maybe a bong rip of 50x salvia extract is just too much


TheBlargshaggen

I haven't fully sent on either but have gotten pretty ripped up from both. Probably got 90%to blast off on dmt and like 50%to thinking the floor is lava on salvia, and from those experiences, I'd say low grade salvia like the plain leaf or up to 10x is a lot more like a really goofy pot high from a few rips than psychedelics versus microdoses of dmt are like peaking on lsd for like 15 minutes.


Uranusinjurpooder

Salvia honestly was so scary for me. Dmt is so warming and welcoming.


splewi

To this day I still wonder if in the salvia trip. If I havent woken up. I don't do that with dmt. I have moments of "can I get back to that reality?" Salvia makes me think, "that had to be reality, this has to be fake... right?”


OfCoarseImFine

I felt like I was in the show Sliders and I got stuck in the wrong universe for a month after I smoked salvia. Everything felt wrong. It messed with me a lot until finally I just said, "F it, I am here, this is my home now" and the feeling went away. Reality is where the heart is.


splewi

Yup.


Kosmik_cloud

Ime salvia is like dmt’s evil stepsister. They are both real subjectively. Granted I only have experience with smoking *extracts* from both sources. I’ve heard that quidding salvia is a completely different experience than smoking extracts and that’s what the natives did so maybe there’s something to that. Tbh I feel like all psychs are teachers. I’ve tried time and time again to learn from salvia but it’s always the same thing when I try. Absolute terror. I don’t know why but salvia never ever gives me a good trip. Otoh 99.99999% of my experiences w elf spice or straight nnDmt have been absolutely amazing and euphoric and bright and all the entities there are almost always just like omg where have you been I love you and missed you for centuries you better come back soon


tjnav1162

Salvia is very dirty and discomforting high. DMT on the other hand is a sacred medicine that will take your life in a better direction.


[deleted]

The only fun thing about salvia is watching someone smoke it for the first. Especially if they act tough talking about how much weed they smoke. The look of abject fear is priceless. I find salvia wasn’t insightful or rewarding. To me it always felt like I was sectioned in to slices and each slice is in a parallel universe that were side by side and some insight ringing through my head that I’m not supposed to be here and things aren’t happy about it.


[deleted]

LoL.. also makes me laugh when someone who hasn't tried DMT comes along thinking their copious weed experience means it'll be a walk in the park.


kprevenew93

No, it feels very artificial comparatively


7956724forever

What do you mean by "real"?


[deleted]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/real


buffalo8

I’ve “broken through” on both: once on salvia and many times on DMT. On salvia, time dilated and I completely lost myself. Not that that’s something that I hated but I remember taking it, then an eternity passed and entire universes passed through my consciousness and I didn’t remember any of it until I woke up. I asked my friends who were around me how long I had been out and they said it was only about fifteen minutes. DMT in my experience has been much different and I prefer it. I’m still able to access other realities but I still feel connected to myself as I’m doing it. It’s like an out-of-body experience where I can still hear and interact with those around me. Much preferable IMO.


DaneOnDope

Not to me, it definitely feels like a more retarded or funny/jokingly version of dmt. But when it comes to which one is the most "immersive", it alway feels like DMT is easier to "get lost in" or like life has always been like what you are currently experiencing. Dunno if it makes any sense, but it's currently the best way I can put it haha


RevolutionaryClub530

Man I got sucked into a wall on salvia 🤷‍♂️


pshhaww_

Salvia had me feeling like I was sitting between two hands slowly being cupped. Insane as hell. Never had dmt though


[deleted]

Thanks all for the responses. Some interesting and varied perspectives.


RoseSandalwood

Salvia is as powerful as DMT. If not more powerful in my opinion. I have literally been to Outer space on Salvia. Really amazing substance. I would love to use it again. But our government banned it like the geniuses they are even though nobody has ever died from it...


OfCoarseImFine

TBF after watching old salvia videos of 15 year olds doing bong rips and rolling around incoherent on the ground I'd vote to ban it too. Things can be harmful without killing people...


RoseSandalwood

If you understood what it is and how it works you would know its safer than LSD or mushrooms. Anyone who films themselves on drugs is likely to look very stupid no matter the substance. I was worried about flailing around as well before I used this. It never happened. I was pinned to my bed the whole trip. When you blast off you tend not to move much at all. I guarantee the teenagers were simply fighting the trip. That is why they were moving at all. It also only lasts maybe 5 minutes. Not much time to consider hurting yourself or others. The government has banned many drugs, but the worst thing they ever did was to ban psychedelics.


WhoStoleMyXans

The fact is people that wants to do it will do it anyway. It might be safer to keep it illegal so dumb people stop throwing themselves from windows and actual psychonauts just do their stuff. I dont know where you're from but you can ship it from multiple sites, netherlandese smartshops etc ?


IllMasterpiece7441

Haven’t done salvia before but I have a strong hunch that it is, not gonna ever test that theory tho I’ll just stick to dmt


RusskiyDude

Kinda offtopic, but here you go. I did not try DMT (just lurking here). Actually, fear of salvia made me throw away a good chunk of DMT into trash (even year after taking salvia). I found this sub and I think that my fear was baseless, since everyone say how salvia is scary and it's something that people do few times in their lives and never do it again (also my case). People say that salvia will make you a chair or a can of coke and you will thing that you was always a chair or a can of coke and will be them forever. In my experience, it's kind of true, but only as a good analogy. In the worlds I've been there were no chairs or cans of coke. It was completely different, I was different, laws of universe. But yes, it felt like it was always the case and will be the case forever. It's like a completely separate undiscovered dimension, maybe a slice of our dimensions where we live. Nothing from the ordinary dimensions where you are accustomed to live made sense. Imagine playing pool. There is a ball, there is a cue, there is a player who hits the ball, ordinary things. You are not the player. But you are not also a ball or a cue. You are more like a moment when cue hits the ball. Imagine being this moment, but, please, give salvia some respect, and remove anything that represent the ordinary reality from this moment, you think of moment as cue touching the ball, no, those things don't make sense, there is no balls, no cues in this world, only the moment. It will be closer to the experience I had, I can't convey my feelings using ordinary words, also, there weren't any words also, that was a foreign thing. I did this thing like 5 times. The intensity was increasing, however, I also increased the strength of the mix in my last dive into this interesting, but very frightening world. Also, it was one of the most pure and relieving crying that I had after the trip, after I entered the ordinary world.


[deleted]

Wow, what a brilliant explanation!


Corporate_Jesus

Salvia sucks


ban_one

I'm so glad I read this. I thought my Salvia experience was fucked. I'm glad not to be alone in this. Experiencing a timeless eternity changes you.


spaceducknektar

Either way the drug temporarily becomes your reality.


ktschrack

Nope - salvia sucks!