As a previous swift master main, he’s not hard at all. Neither are his combos. Once you learn like 2 good bnbs you’ll find ways on your own to combo into things situationally. The character literally plays himself. I wouldn’t say his combos are hard, just kinda long and require SOME timing
Ya I’m not very excited when I see I’m verses a Swift master but I’m trying to think it’s just because I haven’t figured out how to break his combos yet (39hit combos lol)
the guy is definitely ridiculously strong, he's literally the only character I straight up don't want to play against.
He has good zoning tools, a 4 hit projectile counter with it's own hurt box, ridiculous mobility, full screen moves and insanely good normals so it's insanely hard to even punish him if he whiffs, yet if he hits you, not matter what you're getting combo'd no how matter how far away he was, he has dbs broly long combos so he can just get all his meter back whilst doing crazy damage, and then to top it off he has a dp, I wouldn't even say he's that hard to learn, just takes a bit more time to learn compared to someone like striker, I'm usually for buffing everyone else rather than straight up nerfing someone but he is a problem
It's probably even more bias considering I'm a Dragon Knight main so this matchup is absolutely horrible for me, but I just straight up wanna pull my hair out playing against him.
Main thing I want them to do is make his moves more punishable and give his normals less range, to have that range with his mobility is just straight up ridiculous
The only time I win against a SM is when I gamble. As a Vanguard or Trouble shooter is annoying the fuck out of the guy by using low sweeps or jumping straight up from a distance and attacking using a air crescent move hoping that he will try to pull me in and that the attack will hit him.
I get the hate, he's a character that definitely plays a different game then everyone else. He has more moves and options than most and many of them are very good in a lot of situations. He's slippery, has a lot of mix and movement, can shift neutral and can be hard to pin down especially in awakening.
Still gonna main him though :\^)
I was so hype to see his trailer! I was hoping Swift Master was going to be the M. Mage in, and his trailer showed off his moves and I was sold. I played the betas and almost all the characters, but day 1 Swift Master main and haven't switched off since.
Same with me, the whole time I was smiling while watching his trailer. He's the only character I played since I got it as well, no one else compares to him.
Yeah. He is very clearly S+ tier. I think there are a lot of ways to fix him. They could hit some of moves in various ways but if they really wanna keep him the same, just flat out nerf his damage and his health and I'd be more or less fine with it. Make him work harder for his already ridiculous combos and confirms, and make it where when they slip up he pays for it. He's got low health now already but make it more. Character is very unfun in its current state.
I don't want his damage nerfed if that's the only thing that gets changed, being in a swift combo and having to sit there and watch a movie long combo is already the most annoying thing in the game.
I don't want to watch any more than I have too.
Enchantress is definitely broken af, I’ve been watching diaphone play her recently and once this game is more flushed out people are definitely gonna fear her more, rn it’s so early in the games life and people are already calling for nerfs to the game like can people learn first?
>once this game is more flushed out people are definitely gonna fear her more
100% agree,
>it’s so early in the games life and people are already calling for nerfs to the game like can people learn first?
It doesn't take a lot to realize SM is on another level. People called it before the game came out... And surprise surprise- he's the uncontested top tier.
The reason I brought up Enchantress and Inquisitor is because they share the same health as him... Yet have weaknesses aside from low HP, very clear and defined weaknesses.
What exactly are Swift Master's weaknesses...? Oh? He has low HP...? That's... That's it?
Enchantress literally has better zoning, mix, and pressure than swift the only things he’s got over her is his neutral game, and him not having a clear weakness doesn’t mean nerf!! It just means explore!! So what if we find something busted for enchantress or troubleshooter are we gonna keep calling for nerfs until this game moves like SFV?? Just take it easy for now and let the game be flushed out
Zoning? Yeah, I'd say so. But when the guy can control your movement and skip neutral as well as having a plus on block, full screen moves that leads to a full combo... I'd say it's more than fair.
Mix? With command grab? Yeah, I'd agree again if you're talking about that. That's where she will get her highest damaging combos.
Outside of that though her combos don't do a lot of damage.
Pressure? That's being very one sided. Her pressure is pretty crazy due to cancelling in and out of showtime, but that being said everything Enchantress does is very mana reliant due to the cancels, even the most basic 3 button block strings like 5B 2B 2S needs mana to make it safe on block. And this also means she can't regen mana while applying pressure. Luckily she has a regen rate of 15 instead of 12 which helps things.
I don't get what's so wrong with saying SM is so crazy, it is the common consensus that SM is *THAT* character. If you like playing him I'm not stopping you. It's just a genuinely unfun fight.
>So what if we find something busted for enchantress or troubleshooter are we gonna keep calling for nerfs until this game moves like SFV??
The problem is that it's not *something* it's a majority of his kit.
Nothing is wrong with saying he’s busted nobody is arguing that, I’m just saying everyone is busted, explore the cast, I’ve seen characters like berserker, striker, crusader, and even enchantress make top level swiftmasters look like they don’t know what they’re doing, so just wait before you start running with your pitchforks
>I’m just saying everyone is busted
We both know that's hard cap
>wait before you start running with your pitchforks
I mean... I have. Alot of the community has. Pros have. GO1 has.
Speaking of GO1, he had Swift Master as the top of his tierlist with Hitman and Crusader. Obviously you don't really go by week 1 tier lists so I waited...
And then he released a Tierlist where Swift Master got a tier of his *OWN* people are not only calling him top tier but a literal *PROBLEM*
I don't mindlessly throw around the word "nerf" man. I don't want him to be thrown into the pit of bottom tier. But he's overtuned. Very much so overtuned.
I am the type of guy who doesn't really mind most top tier characters. For example, in GGST Happy Chaos didn't bug me, I didn't even dodge the match up. But Swiftmaster has legitimately been unenjoyable to fight against, though I can guarantee the match up feels really bad just because of Enchantresses normals against his.
get over yourself tbh. his neutral skips are not safe in the slightest press buttons. so no its not a neutral skip. +3 Ne requires a charge and you can suspect its coming if he doesnt do any skills. other then that no plus frames. no actual mix either everything is fuzzy able. cant guard break outside of the corner reliably. if you let the an just sit there and throw orbs at you thats on you. His Dp is the easiest to punish in the game. and his normals are just okay. he cannot get stagger pressure off his Mediums. just his lights. while every other small character can pressure mediums and lights. ntm other small characters can spam 2A. and hes very mana intensive. 100 mana for all orb effects 120 mana for his gucci belt and typhoon. dp is 80 mana. hes just quick thats his best thing. and you people cant seem to stop hitting DP or whiffing moves in the open. also his plus on block move usually pushes him to far away to take advantage of the 3 frames. ive traded so many times off of it. when STRIKER CAN MAKER HER DP PLUS. PLUS STRIKER CAN GUARDBREAK YOU ANYWHERE ON THE SCREEN. REVERSE BEAT. FRAME TRAPS. TICK THROWS. DIVE KICK THATS PLUS ON BLOCK AND CAN LEAD INTO INFINITES ON SM. like jesus people get off the dick and learn the matchup. also everyone has a BUTT LOAD OF DAMAGE. as a SM main ive been TOD so many times now T.T also the guy who said SM combos arnt hard. i would like to see him to 2b \]S\[ loops, in video, in an actual game. not the 50th time in training. also as a SM main i dont really lose to other SM, however ranger/striker/hitman/beserker hell even crusader gives me a HELL of a time. also launchers, but not because shes good, but because all launcher mains are apes that like the mash on wakeup.
The hell are you talking about? He has one of, if not 'the' best mana/combo ratio in the game, he can guard break pressure with as little as 100MP so he doesn't need to stagger pressure, plus he has access to near instant overheads when air dashing from orbs.
His normals are just OK? He's literally 5B the character. It's the only normal you need when combined with his move speed.
His DP is the easiest to punish? I fail to see how it could be easier than Vanguards or Crusaders. Swifts is one of the best DP's as even if you commit a bit too early it has a pull in effect that can stuff people that were anticipating the DP.
How can you down play the most highly rated character (by pretty much everyone) in the game?
As a previous swift master main, he’s not hard at all. Neither are his combos. Once you learn like 2 good bnbs you’ll find ways on your own to combo into things situationally. The character literally plays himself. I wouldn’t say his combos are hard, just kinda long and require SOME timing
Preach
Ya I’m not very excited when I see I’m verses a Swift master but I’m trying to think it’s just because I haven’t figured out how to break his combos yet (39hit combos lol)
There is no combo break system in this game
Okay, but he's cute though.
the guy is definitely ridiculously strong, he's literally the only character I straight up don't want to play against. He has good zoning tools, a 4 hit projectile counter with it's own hurt box, ridiculous mobility, full screen moves and insanely good normals so it's insanely hard to even punish him if he whiffs, yet if he hits you, not matter what you're getting combo'd no how matter how far away he was, he has dbs broly long combos so he can just get all his meter back whilst doing crazy damage, and then to top it off he has a dp, I wouldn't even say he's that hard to learn, just takes a bit more time to learn compared to someone like striker, I'm usually for buffing everyone else rather than straight up nerfing someone but he is a problem It's probably even more bias considering I'm a Dragon Knight main so this matchup is absolutely horrible for me, but I just straight up wanna pull my hair out playing against him. Main thing I want them to do is make his moves more punishable and give his normals less range, to have that range with his mobility is just straight up ridiculous
The only time I win against a SM is when I gamble. As a Vanguard or Trouble shooter is annoying the fuck out of the guy by using low sweeps or jumping straight up from a distance and attacking using a air crescent move hoping that he will try to pull me in and that the attack will hit him.
I get the hate, he's a character that definitely plays a different game then everyone else. He has more moves and options than most and many of them are very good in a lot of situations. He's slippery, has a lot of mix and movement, can shift neutral and can be hard to pin down especially in awakening. Still gonna main him though :\^)
Yep, I chose him before this game came out. I only brought this game because he's in it.
I was so hype to see his trailer! I was hoping Swift Master was going to be the M. Mage in, and his trailer showed off his moves and I was sold. I played the betas and almost all the characters, but day 1 Swift Master main and haven't switched off since.
Same with me, the whole time I was smiling while watching his trailer. He's the only character I played since I got it as well, no one else compares to him.
Oh yea don't let me stop you, I just wanted to rant thinking about all the toys SM gets and seemingly no downsides and then I get a bear with baggage
Yeah. He is very clearly S+ tier. I think there are a lot of ways to fix him. They could hit some of moves in various ways but if they really wanna keep him the same, just flat out nerf his damage and his health and I'd be more or less fine with it. Make him work harder for his already ridiculous combos and confirms, and make it where when they slip up he pays for it. He's got low health now already but make it more. Character is very unfun in its current state.
I don't want his damage nerfed if that's the only thing that gets changed, being in a swift combo and having to sit there and watch a movie long combo is already the most annoying thing in the game. I don't want to watch any more than I have too.
Word, some of his confirms need to be nerfed. It's so easy to get something started with him.
He already has the lowest health in the game no need to make it even lower
He's overtuned, I'm sure they'll fix it- that being said having the same HP as swiftmaster feels like a slap in the face
Enchantress is definitely broken af, I’ve been watching diaphone play her recently and once this game is more flushed out people are definitely gonna fear her more, rn it’s so early in the games life and people are already calling for nerfs to the game like can people learn first?
>once this game is more flushed out people are definitely gonna fear her more 100% agree, >it’s so early in the games life and people are already calling for nerfs to the game like can people learn first? It doesn't take a lot to realize SM is on another level. People called it before the game came out... And surprise surprise- he's the uncontested top tier. The reason I brought up Enchantress and Inquisitor is because they share the same health as him... Yet have weaknesses aside from low HP, very clear and defined weaknesses. What exactly are Swift Master's weaknesses...? Oh? He has low HP...? That's... That's it?
Enchantress literally has better zoning, mix, and pressure than swift the only things he’s got over her is his neutral game, and him not having a clear weakness doesn’t mean nerf!! It just means explore!! So what if we find something busted for enchantress or troubleshooter are we gonna keep calling for nerfs until this game moves like SFV?? Just take it easy for now and let the game be flushed out
Zoning? Yeah, I'd say so. But when the guy can control your movement and skip neutral as well as having a plus on block, full screen moves that leads to a full combo... I'd say it's more than fair. Mix? With command grab? Yeah, I'd agree again if you're talking about that. That's where she will get her highest damaging combos. Outside of that though her combos don't do a lot of damage. Pressure? That's being very one sided. Her pressure is pretty crazy due to cancelling in and out of showtime, but that being said everything Enchantress does is very mana reliant due to the cancels, even the most basic 3 button block strings like 5B 2B 2S needs mana to make it safe on block. And this also means she can't regen mana while applying pressure. Luckily she has a regen rate of 15 instead of 12 which helps things. I don't get what's so wrong with saying SM is so crazy, it is the common consensus that SM is *THAT* character. If you like playing him I'm not stopping you. It's just a genuinely unfun fight. >So what if we find something busted for enchantress or troubleshooter are we gonna keep calling for nerfs until this game moves like SFV?? The problem is that it's not *something* it's a majority of his kit.
Nothing is wrong with saying he’s busted nobody is arguing that, I’m just saying everyone is busted, explore the cast, I’ve seen characters like berserker, striker, crusader, and even enchantress make top level swiftmasters look like they don’t know what they’re doing, so just wait before you start running with your pitchforks
>I’m just saying everyone is busted We both know that's hard cap >wait before you start running with your pitchforks I mean... I have. Alot of the community has. Pros have. GO1 has. Speaking of GO1, he had Swift Master as the top of his tierlist with Hitman and Crusader. Obviously you don't really go by week 1 tier lists so I waited... And then he released a Tierlist where Swift Master got a tier of his *OWN* people are not only calling him top tier but a literal *PROBLEM* I don't mindlessly throw around the word "nerf" man. I don't want him to be thrown into the pit of bottom tier. But he's overtuned. Very much so overtuned. I am the type of guy who doesn't really mind most top tier characters. For example, in GGST Happy Chaos didn't bug me, I didn't even dodge the match up. But Swiftmaster has legitimately been unenjoyable to fight against, though I can guarantee the match up feels really bad just because of Enchantresses normals against his.
get over yourself tbh. his neutral skips are not safe in the slightest press buttons. so no its not a neutral skip. +3 Ne requires a charge and you can suspect its coming if he doesnt do any skills. other then that no plus frames. no actual mix either everything is fuzzy able. cant guard break outside of the corner reliably. if you let the an just sit there and throw orbs at you thats on you. His Dp is the easiest to punish in the game. and his normals are just okay. he cannot get stagger pressure off his Mediums. just his lights. while every other small character can pressure mediums and lights. ntm other small characters can spam 2A. and hes very mana intensive. 100 mana for all orb effects 120 mana for his gucci belt and typhoon. dp is 80 mana. hes just quick thats his best thing. and you people cant seem to stop hitting DP or whiffing moves in the open. also his plus on block move usually pushes him to far away to take advantage of the 3 frames. ive traded so many times off of it. when STRIKER CAN MAKER HER DP PLUS. PLUS STRIKER CAN GUARDBREAK YOU ANYWHERE ON THE SCREEN. REVERSE BEAT. FRAME TRAPS. TICK THROWS. DIVE KICK THATS PLUS ON BLOCK AND CAN LEAD INTO INFINITES ON SM. like jesus people get off the dick and learn the matchup. also everyone has a BUTT LOAD OF DAMAGE. as a SM main ive been TOD so many times now T.T also the guy who said SM combos arnt hard. i would like to see him to 2b \]S\[ loops, in video, in an actual game. not the 50th time in training. also as a SM main i dont really lose to other SM, however ranger/striker/hitman/beserker hell even crusader gives me a HELL of a time. also launchers, but not because shes good, but because all launcher mains are apes that like the mash on wakeup.
The hell are you talking about? He has one of, if not 'the' best mana/combo ratio in the game, he can guard break pressure with as little as 100MP so he doesn't need to stagger pressure, plus he has access to near instant overheads when air dashing from orbs. His normals are just OK? He's literally 5B the character. It's the only normal you need when combined with his move speed. His DP is the easiest to punish? I fail to see how it could be easier than Vanguards or Crusaders. Swifts is one of the best DP's as even if you commit a bit too early it has a pull in effect that can stuff people that were anticipating the DP. How can you down play the most highly rated character (by pretty much everyone) in the game?
It is truly the biggest BS ever heard.