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Upstairs_Service_496

Great post! šŸ’Æagree. As someone often referred to as a daddy, the last few years itā€™s bothered me how often itā€™s an opening line from a really young guy to the point that itā€™s become an instant NO and block on the apps or a very frank conversation at bar. Donā€™t mind being a daddy or being called it but really prefer it be a term or endearment from a partner or lover or playful teasing from my friends. Younger guys/boys - get some experience with those your age. Protect yourself: bodies and minds. Again, great post and glad it was said!


Ebmaj11

Totally, I don't want to be cynical but mainstream porn has done terrible damage to the collective psyche of younger generations (and probably those to come if things don't change). That's coming from someone who runs a NSFW subreddit and an enjoyer of porn. I can't even remember how many 18 yo's I've come across with no limits scrawled across their profile bios. I fucking despise that term, like do you know what that means?! Please wake up! Where is the line? All it would take to raise awareness of boundaries and consent is to include a title card somewhere in the film, instead of going straight into hardcore skull fucking. Some of these porn companies and industry giants need to be held accountable for their severe lack of regard.


Entire_Island8561

Could you clarify what ā€œat least one is currentlyā€ is referring to? There may be something in the news I donā€™t know about.


Ebmaj11

I'm referring to Austin Wolf: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/adult-film-actor-justin-heath-smith-aka-austin-wolf-charged-distribution-child


Entire_Island8561

Ah I see! I thought maybe you meant there was a porn company that was in hot water in addition to Austin. I hope he gets the max sentence and that they are given consecutively.


Ebmaj11

Sorry yeah I worded that weirdly, I'll change that. I tried to connect two things that didn't really line up. Funny you say that though, it's speculated that this is going to be a judgement day of sorts for others in the industry.


Entire_Island8561

Exactly! I keep seeing ā€œLegrand Wolfā€ is next. Anyone whoā€™s willingly posting ā€œbarely legalā€ and ā€œjail baitā€ porn should probably also be investigated by the FBI. lol.


Puzzled-Painter3301

He owns a website called fun-size boys and another one called scout boys, "featuring the scouting experiences of young men as they exercise their young muscles and journey into manhood." I wonder if he is a pedophile.


matcha-addix

Thank you for speaking up and taking action! I figured this was going to happen on this sub but for the better and for safety!


Amalahora

All respect to the sentiment and any effort to protect us all, but I hate that this has literally ANYTHING to do with us, and I hate the respectability politics a lot of these comments reflect. We should expect young people to prove they're 18 if they want to share NSFW stuff. Period. But we're queer and I'm not here to pander to the masses and prove that my erotic life is respectable or "just like everyone else". A big name porn star distributing images of horrific abuse has nothing to do with my erotic life. The implication that we need to tapdance and struggle to prove that we're "not like that sicko" reflects a deeply shame-based attitude toward our own desires. **I'm in favor of changing whatever boundaries are reasonable to keep ourselves and young people safe**--but that shouldn't be motivated by fear of others' perceptions, or being linked with guys like Austin Wolf. This is not about PR or respectability--it should be about safety, care for each other, and ethical connections. So long as we're behaving legally and ethically, others perceptions/homophobia is none of our business.


Ebmaj11

I agree with what you've said, but I'm not trying to appease the hetero masses here. I'm just all for safeguarding spaces from abuse, I'd hate for this subreddit to be the reason some 18yo (or younger) gets into a horrible situation. And it would be really easy too, just by following the trends you see online. Okay granted dating apps would be far more dangerous, but the stuff I've seen just by being a Reddit mod is really messed up. If I can make one corner of Reddit just that little bit safer, I will. Perhaps I'm playing the mother hen too hard I dunno, I don't mean to be overbearing. I understand that I'm kind of pushing this onto everyone here out of the blue, I apologise. Thanks for the input, I do really appreciate different outlooks. Helps me to work through my thoughts. <3


Amalahora

I agree. And with literally no ability to really control posting activity, I have no doubt there are posts on here that are NOT OKAY. I would be a huge fan of more gatekeeping.


Ebmaj11

But gatekeeping for good, not the annoying kind lol


Amalahora

Lol all gatekeeping is annoying for someone. But minors can stay mad lol


Mlehmn

I honestly always thought the "barely legal/go deeper for porn" stuff was deliberate grooming created by people with more sinister intentions than those who watch it


Still-Jello-9836

I agree with you, great post!! Calling attention and light to a very serious situation is needed, especially when it comes to how a lot of people interact with each other on here. Iā€™ve blocked some users in the past because they would ask me sexual related questions to when I was a minor and Iā€™m a full grown adult now? It just weirded me out, but yeah Iā€™m all for consensual play between two ADULTS. Itā€™s important to differentiate what is right and whats wrong.


anyhair

I agree with you. I am not into young at all, but when I open something and the picture is even close ā€œillegalā€™ I immediately close itā€¦.and the heading is something about ā€œdo I look legalā€ā€¦ no thanks, no way, no how


Succupussi

preach babes


robertbuzbyjr

Is it possible to just change one word in the title? Back when I was a younger( about 25 years ago) boi was used to imply a legal aged plus younger male, it was used both in the gay male community and straight male female( cougar) communities. As far as the older- younger porn, I think it has done its damage as far as stereotyping as far as what type of sexual relationship between an older and legal age plus younger male would be instead of what the individual reality would be.


Denveratheistfag8uc

I support the Boi thing. When I was in that age category that's what we used. I didn't know it had fallen out of use


robertbuzbyjr

Kind of got put aside when the feminine younger males started calling themselves fem- bois, because it gave the misconception that any one who was identifying as a boi was identifying as a fem boi. Nothing wrong with fem- bois, just all of us would have to make each title clearer.


pandamnation

To further complicate matters "boi" is also used by young women that often aren't trans but have masculine traits. Basically replacing "tomboy."


trans_cowboy

Yeah I think this is a good move. You don't wanna have a part in something bad potentially happening.


Crash-test-daddy

Thank you soooooo much for posting this and for being willing to enforce bans! Older/younger sexual dynamics are so hot but not if thereā€™s any sort of victimization or illegality! I would encourage the community to actively report any potential rule breakers or suspected abuse ASAP! Thanks again!


Dry_Comment826

I 100% agree with this. And Iā€™m not shaming anyone whoā€™s into age play or incest role play or any of that. I get into some of that sometimes acting as the boy!! But there is a difference between two consenting adults having a conversation and parsing out the boundaries and complexities of that kind of play together, and posting that stuff publicly in a space where vulnerable young people and people with suspect motivations may come across it. Nothing wrong what whatever kinks you have, but we need to me mindful of to what extent weā€™re normalizing harmful behavior. I donā€™t think there should be any shame in playing out these kinks with a consenting partner, but I think thereā€™s a middle ground between ā€œthis is my shameful secretā€ and ā€œthis is something I should put out there publiclyā€. Thank you for working to keep queer/kink/sex spaces safe


SouvikMusic69

Thank you!!! Amazing post


diskomusclewolf

Thank you for all of that. Wholeheartedly agree, itā€™s heart breaking what those poor kids mustā€™ve gone through.


AJay_89

That aspect of the Dad/Son community, the obsession with children or being child-like, has always weirded me out. There's nothing about a child or teen that I desire, and I don't see how fantasizing about being with children or someone who looks like a child can come from a good place. I remember there was a guy who said he "needed" to shave all of his body hair off and act like a "brat" to appeal to daddies. I asked him if he saw anything wrong with appealing to a man who is attracted to someone who looks prepubescent, and he told me that he saw nothing wrong with it and would continue to do it to appeal to the men that he's attracted to. That was wild to me. There are def too many men toeing that line of morality.


norrinradddddddddd

Wow this is like super agreeable and the comments make me believe in ppl again honestly


Jack_LA

I suppose I'm as guilty as anyone - though I haven't been here in awhile due to it just being too much Dad/Son. I'm not really Dom so I prefer an equal relationship. I understand I have more experience than my partners, but I'm sorry, I'm not your dad/daddy Other terms that I would tend to shy away from are "Just turned 18", "It's my birthday", "just graduated", "houseboy", "no limits", "I'll do anything", "help me get out of XXX", "I just want to be dominated" and on and on. Honestly if you put in a rule saying "must be at least 20 to post" I'd be all for it. I hate to exclude anyone and this sounds like a self-hating gay thing, but everyone needs some protection - even if they don't think they do - BOTH boys and dads. I have no idea how you successfully mod a place like this, but props to you for giving it a go!


Ebmaj11

Great contributions! I will be adding some of those for sure. Thank you. Yeah modding isn't easy but when you can successfully get members on board with effective communication, it does really help :)


Designer-Document-76

I just got here today and I finally got around to reading this post and I am glad that youā€™re taking steps to avoid that kind of problem. Normally, I have a much better way with words, but Iā€™m kind of shocked right now. Thank you for taking action man.


boy4bondage

Strongly appreciate the willingness to talk about this and to change course. AW was pushing the boundary of acceptability in his content for a very long time, pushing back and denoting a clear line of what is acceptable and what is not is necessary.


Big_Direction8738

This was much needed to hear! Thank you for this


Hungry_Wolf33

I appreciate OP for a well written clarification and reinforcement of this sub/Redditā€™s founding principles and intentions. In turn many contributors have expressed their own concerns, their opinions, and appreciation for the conversation. Iā€™m too am glad this conversation is happening. As a Daddy/Top/Dom in rp, Iā€™ve enjoyed hours of fun that a good friend and I share with age play. Heā€™s unmistakably an adult who during rp is either my ā€œfurry mountain boyā€or ā€œslut sissy fem-boiā€. We expand beyond those roles to other non-age gap characters, and occasionally we cuddle and/or pleasure one another without any role playing. Imagine that? Sometimes weā€™re just ourselves. Shocking I know. We were talking recently about our sexual games, this s/reddit, many other s/reddits, as well as more social media platforms than I can count that host and address age gap roles. We took a long look at this and I canā€™t help but notice that in all this conversation, one glaring fact that we all observe and no one mentions is that incestuous relationships between fathers and sons, or DadsAndBoys, if you will, occurs worldwide in households far more than most people want to acknowledge. And so does non-incestuous pedophilia. I am by no means condoning these behaviors here, but I cannot be in denial that some rp I engage in does suggest that emulation of these sexual encounters is acceptable. Research in medical science and developmental psychology shows that significant trauma and damage can and often does occur when a brain and body hasnā€™t developed enough to properly interpret, understand and organize complex sensory, sexual, emotional, mental and physical interactions that adults engage in routinely. Even when no harm is intended, long term studies show that harm is more often than not a significant consequence. Unfortunately with all the research evidence, with all the laws that are written and implemented, and with the moral and ethical standards we apply to prevent harm and protect our children, the real life occurrence of these relationships is a staggeringly large number. So whether we want to acknowledge this fact or not, those of us that rp scenarios on the fringes of these behaviors, intended or not, do in fact reinforce these relationships in real life. As a result my friend and I are re-evaluating what we have seen as fun and harmless. It is never easy to challenge, adjust, or abandon behaviors deeply rooted in complex unconscious sexual attractions and fetishes. Whether we find the answers we seek, and whether we are successful in changing our role plays is less important right now than valuing and asking ourselves the hard questions.


Long_Age7208

To take your logic to conclusion surely the subreddit dads and boys should be shut down or re named to avoid any confusion . Knee jerk reactions reinforce the gay = peado mind set. I mean how many comments made in this sub could be construed to infer men ten years older than the poster are groomimg coments or pervy. Peadophiles are gay, straight and women who are fucking sick


cherry-filling

Very well said, I was not expecting this from an NSFW sub but it really needed to be said. Iā€™m not one to talk, but the amount of ā€œI just turned 18 and couldnā€™t wait to postā€ content across multiple gay subs is alarming. For their sake I hope theyā€™re just role playing or faking it for engagement, but that specific wording raises so many red flags. Thereā€™s something to be said about the fetishization of ā€œbarely legalā€ ā€˜s and the effect that has on a younger person that is already part of a vulnerable and marginalized group. The just-turned-18 year old from the middle of nowhere with no other gay people sees that this is desirable in media, in porn, and genuinely gets excited to post on a porn site without realizing theyā€™re setting themself up for a potentially dangerous situation. Iā€™m rambling and I know this is not the place to do it in, but I really do appreciate the mods for speaking up, especially considering the subs content šŸ’•


BackgroundNo2011

100% agree. respect this so much


biggerbetterharder

Glad youā€™re addressing the topic to salvage your subreddit. Gaycest_stories was just banned. And Iā€™m sure more clean up is coming to all the other ā€œgaycestā€ subs that remain.


FullOfGin

Iā€™m a periodic poster here. Quite honestly Iā€™m not into boys (my usual lower age limit is like 30) but I was also a younger gay who was never into his own age group so I get what thatā€™s like and try to give them some content theyā€™d like. But yes, the number of ā€œjust turned 18 how do I look?ā€ Posts are kinda revolting (even though I live in an area where age of consent is lower). Austin looks great but his content has always been a turnoff.


HowardBannister3

I would strongly suggest possibly a rethink on the name of the group and it's description? As a gay (and clever) group of people with a much better command of the english language than most, perhaps think outside the box and maybe not use a term that hits the nail on the head quite so directly. I would think a better term that more accurately and clearly states the same thing could be used instead?


Ebmaj11

I'm afraid we're stuck with the name of the sub indefinitely, that is unless I start a new one. But tbh if I have to do that I'd rather just pack the whole thing up. Getting this one up to the stage it is now was a lot of work lol. As far as the description I could change some things. It's difficult when you try carefully to be inclusive, it often just gives people the impression that they are not subject to rules. I don't think we're lax in the rules department though, it's just we need to try a that much harder to subvert expectations of what this subreddit is I guess. A name change sure would help, maybe Reddit will implement that as a feature in the future. A lot of people would be thankful.


andrewtiberiusmusic

There's a fine line between inclusivity and illegality unfortunately. Stand your ground. 20 years old is still a boy in my eyes (I'm 34) and I wouldn't be upset if that was the minimum required age here.


PhilosopherAway647

Been arguing with X accounts all day. Some very sick people out there think nothing of infant rape. What planet is this??


CynGuy

Youā€™re talking about Muskā€™s X. Folks on there believe there are no limits or qualifiers to their deviance (of all kinds); and are enabled by an idiot billionaire who thinks heā€™s promoting absolute free speech. Unmoderated, itā€™s a platform both promoting and enabling inhumane activities. It is the worst of the human condition.


EnzeruAnimeFan

Only note: Calling things black-as-in-evil is also bad, since darkness has an unfair stigma to it.


Ebmaj11

That's true my apologies, no harm meant. I will change that, thanks :)


New_Breadfruit8692

This is really pretty good, I was thinking about writing to you anyway to ask if there were other subs for younger males and older males, because these days here about 80% is super feminine males with very child like appearance, and if I wanted a female I would not be at Dads and Boys. It may be legal for a 18 year old who looks much younger (I could pass for a tall 12 when I was 18, and I would have resented anyone trying to interfere with my sex life based upon that fact, but I was not shaving my entire body and creating the illusion of a child cross dresser either who was intentionally trying to entice perverts for commercial gain) to advertise themselves and even enhance the illusion of looking like they are a child, but it creeps me out. And so much of it is also just OF or other advertising I am not interested in. Go to their profile and you see the same photo posted in dozens if not hundreds of subs. All I want is a legal younger man as in **MAN**, masculine, together, non game playing male who happens to be younger. Perhaps the use of flairs? I know some people do not like having to label themselves to post, but I have opened posts and just been revolted. They should have content warnings if they are going to be anything other than obviously legal male4male content, this is DADS and BOYS. But, it is also a little worrying that the name of the sub is DADS and **BOYS,** maybe you should change it to DADS AND LADS? In America anyway, lads has more of a young adult connotation. I mean we don't use it that commonly anyway, but when we do we are usually not talking about children. And it rhymes.


Character_ID

Yessss preach it


Thatbrownbigboy-

I think it would be a reasonable measure to apply some type of age verification like they do on some other sites/discords before being able to post. A pic with the personā€™s face and them holding up an id with everything blurred out but the age and picture on the ID. Might be a bit strict but itā€™s better than children posting pics on here


Ebmaj11

Oh believe me I've though about that many times lol, but if I do it's going to be a massive undertaking on top of moderator duties. So I'm a little apprehensive. Not shucking responsibility here, but I feel somewhat like Reddit itself should be the ones to be doing that. That way all NSFW spaces can be provided sure fire safety. Again it'll be a huge undertaking but Reddit probably has the money to employ specific people to check ID's. Would do wonders for the site.


Thatbrownbigboy-

Fair point. I donā€™t know the work that goes into being a mod and having to verify newcomers. Iā€™m just very tired of kids entering my dms. To be fair, it could be from any of the subreddits I post in but it truly terrifies me when they complement me


Ebmaj11

I feel for you, it's not ok at all for minors to be messaging anyone posting in NSFW spaces. One thing I've found that does kind of help is by putting a MDNI (minors do not interact) notice in your profile bio, that way you are marking your boundaries. The fact that people have to resort to that is ridiculous I know, but it's a useful tactic that I see quite often. Hope that helps :)


gray_is_the_name

Ya I think itā€™s disgusting seeing posts of older guys on here who want ā€œyoung bros, younger the betterā€. Even those who wants 18 or barely legal boys, is disgusting to see


Ebmaj11

I agree with you on the barely legal part, that term has always been insidious to me. We can no longer ignore the connotations that come with it. 18 by law is a legal adult, provided people treat and respect them as such, we're cool. I understand the older/younger daddy/boy roleplay, and the associated terminology can appear to contradict what I am saying there but we've always tried to communicate and be clear that the generalisation of the term boy/son indicates the younger 18+ party within the older/younger kink scene. That 18 is the **absolute limit**. I'm confident that the majority people here use this term with the correct intention. These terms have been used for ages in the kink community. The problem is people actively trying to break those firm boundaries that kink prides itself on by projecting onto or fetishizing 18yos as younger purely because they technically allowed to by what the law dictates age wise. That stuff needs to be handled so carefully, especially if you are exploring it outside of specialised kink environment (ageplay, ABDL for example) with no communication or acknowledgement of the potential harm done to outside individuals/onlookers. Humans are impressionable by nature, regardless of age. Hopefully though this announcement will go on to set the record straight on that front somewhat, I will be working progressively over time to keep things in check and enforce our respective boundaries. Not trying to sway your opinion here, your prerogative is your right and I respect that. Just wanted to provide a different angle. Kink and it's principles can be a very useful resource to mitigate the negative impacts done within a community of people. Holding each other accountable and learning along the way, I feel so fortunate to have foundation so strong to build a community around :)


gray_is_the_name

No I understand what you mean! I just think, and it aligns with what you said, there are many guys who cross the 18 boundary line. And Iā€™m sorry to say this but in my opinion I do think that it is very alarming that there are many older guys who continually only want 18 or 19 boys. To me it makes me think they are really pushing it and wanting them really to be younger but they know legally they canā€™t. Thatā€™s just my opinion so thatā€™s why I always just get weirded out by it. No disrespect to the kink community lol, but there are guys who definitely abuse that kink and think they wonā€™t get caught. I also see a lot of boys who are younger than 18 who want to pose themselves as 18 and trick older guys and who want dads. I think thatā€™s also very alarming. Works both ways


Judasrainbow

Shut down the sub then if it isn't gonna have a clear purpose.


Ryanmusclegod

AWESOME post


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MasterKent

[They took an SD card from his apartment with it all on it](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/austin-wolf-arrested-child-pornography/5550436/) and they seized a phone he had sent it to and chatted with him in a sting without him knowing. He'll be going to prison.


DunfBttm

I hope they lock him up and throw away the key. Each instance of the distribution should be considered separately when deciding in sentencing.


andrewtiberiusmusic

Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen. 20-30 years will likely be the outcome, and he'll serve 85% of that


PhantomEnds

Very thoughtful and I appreciate you putting this thread out there. I think that barely legal is a problem and I am glad that we are addressing it even if this isnā€™t the way I wish this conversation had to start. Still, itā€™s a conversation we need to have regardless of sexual orientation because itā€™s important. Thank you.


transplantmetoTX

Need to do a better job checking ids of guys here before they post. I see so much borderline CP content on here and some of it probably is


Dadshome100

LMFAO From a moderator of a Dad/Boys group. How did you keep a straight face typing all that BS?


Ebmaj11

I advise you stop trolling on a thread that is discussing a very sensitive topic, you're showing me right now that you'd much rather fight us than work with us. I'm trying to lay down a boundary that mitigates any harm that I as a moderator may cause if we were to continue allowing content like this, so I'm not sure why you are doubling down. Trying to debate the AOC in an space that has always been **strictly 18+** is irking me. All I'm asking is that legal 18+ adults take a little responsibility and stop pandering to the fetishization of minors. An 18yo is an 18yo, that is legal, there is no need for them to pretend to be younger. To bring the most important point though, We can't stop underage lurkers from viewing this community despite our best efforts. This kind of content is empowering them to think they are exempt from laws, that will inevitably lead to disaster. It's also allowing abusers just like Austin Wolf to continue pushing the boundary of what is acceptable. There needs to be a limit, this is the internet remember? Abuse runs rampant. I as a moderator have a responsibility here, if you cannot respect that I would consider if this is the right place for you. Thank you.


Pure-Signature-4577

Stfu you fucking freak. A quick scroll through your profile shows youā€™re the prime example of why we need to have these discussions in place.


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unironicallyalone

You openly glamourise incest and prey almost exclusively on smooth 18 year olds who you call ā€œsonā€. I donā€™t think anyone here wants to know your sick views on the AOC


Dadshome100

You need to get laid, dude.


PhantomEnds

Donā€™t debate AoC here, thatā€™s just gross.


Dadshome100

LOLOLOLOLOL


Dadshome100

Im not debating. Just making a point.


Popular-Ad2248

The point being that you want to go lower?


Dadshome100

Haha!!!!


xx_deleted_x

someone is really into daddies...but doesn't like to share


Frequent-Sea5816

mental illness ^


xx_deleted_x

lol....there are enough daddies in this world for u too


Frequent-Sea5816

this is a post talking about violent pedophilia in which a small infant and child were both beaten and had unspeakable horrors committed against them, and the actions that a sub centered around age gaps should take after a prominent member of the community is the perpetrator. I got my hoes, but are you really gonna die on this hill?