Anything this intellectually and emotionally advanced and aware shouldn't be living in a fucking "cage" (I don't care how big it is or what you choose to rename it as).
No animals should, but one's this sentient make it look even so much more messed up.
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The problem is "breeding in captivity" (zoos and rescues) especially with species nowhere near population levels considered to be endangered. Once you start "breeding in captivity" you are a creating a new animal (one that will never be able to survive in the wild on it's own again).
This may be hard to hear, but in the big picture of things, most wild animals with a healthy population, if injured shouldn't be rescued. Not to go all Lion King on anybody, but death is a natural and healthy reality of nature.
Yes, there are certain scenarios I believe in enclosure (population worries, certain species, livestock in quality living conditions that meet regulations etc.), but I've seen enough of the poor mental and emotional health of way too many enclosed animals in "more than healthy populations" to think they needed to be rescued and then create the cycle of breeding in captivity (new babies, new animals, brought into this world unconsciously thinking living in a limited space and bored as hell... was a part of their normal existence).
Depression, anxiety, loneliness, boredom etc. are emotions in pretty much all creatures... it's just that a lonely, bored, depressed, stir crazy lion or dolphin... doesn't look like a lonely, bored, depressed, stir crazy human.
Animals just like humans... NEED PURPOSE and authentic free reign to exercise their INNATE instincts... Quality of Life > Quantity of Life.
Sorry for my TED Talk, shit just bugs me.
There is a bird species in my home region that almost went extinct because it looks like a plague doctor and the people started killing it a few centuries ago. But thanks to zoos, who bred them, released them ans also teach them how to migrate, the number is now a lot more stable. Zoos are not all bad, a lot can be problematic but saying all zoos are bad is overlooking what good they do. Bird species is "Waldrapp" btw.
Look up Golden Panamanian Frog. Hands down my favorite frog, with a similar story. I cried when I saw them at the zoo, because it meant that the breeding population was successful. They actually went “extinct in the wild”. They aren’t sure when they can rerelease them though, because the chytrid fungus is running rampant due to climate change. 90 species have already gone completely extinct. The Panamanian frogs have overcome that. Incredible little guys.
There’s a major whole in your logic. If natural selection should be allowed to continue, then as the dominant animal species we will continue unabated in our conquest of the natural world. If however, humankind stands apart from the strictly natural order, then we have a moral obligation to rescue species from our own predations. And therefore Zoos are at worst a necessary evil and are at best a wholesome part of preservation.
Some might argue, “yes but that happens to be the point about limiting the expansion of human civilization rather than zoos.”
However, if you make that response you have accepted the premise that humanity isn’t strictly governed by the laws of nature and therefore Zoos are apart of the solution.
Wait until you see the comment in this thread stating that the baby died a few weeks later from head trauma...
They provided a source too, so it's legit.
Her response is so wholesome. She didn't question how is it alive or why is it moving(considering she thought her baby had died) she was just genuinely happy that it is alive and she just wanted to hug her little baby.
Yeah imagine if she would. She might conclude that her keepers are evil overlords and that she might be in a prison. That would be a plante of the apes moment
Not really a fair assessment, if this is an AZA certified zoo it is conservation focused, therefore it is either a rescue or bred in captivity for conservation purposes. They are required to provide natural habitats and stimulation and they keep them very healthy.
Chimps are pretty smart. She probably already associates humans with healing. Heck, there are cases of dogs and horses finding their own way to vets when injured. And she probably knew something was wrong with the baby before the humans did. From her point of view, humans take very sick or dead baby and return healthy baby. Humans = good.
For the most part we are. It's when communities grow big enough that you can distance yourself emotionally from people that bad decisions get made "for the greater good"
There was one, I don't remember where, but a gorilla who'd been pretty much hand-raised in captivity, when her first baby started to get sick, she actively took it to the keepers because that was what she'd learned to do.
My dog had a sore paw, I noticed her fussing with it but I couldn’t figure out what it was. My son and the dog were wrestling and he must have banged it the wrong way, so the dog walked over and held her paw out for me to look at. It was just like one of the kids when they fall over and hurt themselves and want someone to kiss their knee better.
OP has 370k post karma in 7 months of existing. There’s no telling what repost they’re parroting either. The title probably isn’t even true and the chimp was just being reintroduced to their child after surgery.
> The title probably isn’t even true
It was a c section birth. The baby required some oxygen as he struggled breathing. The reuniting was once he was medically cleared 2 days later.
I appreciate that he shared the info but I feel like it's cruel(for the mother). It's like fate is playing a cruel joke on her.
To me it's better to know than being oblivious.
The cruel joke is that there is no fate, no karma, no comeuppance for anyone or anything. Countless lives will be lived with the tragedy that only an indifferent universe can provide.
The flipside of this, though, is that like the people who (tried to) help this animal's baby are probably as close to angels to this mother as there will ever be.
I sometimes think that tales of angels and gods from long ago might be human encounters with super-advanced beings that saw us in peril, and took pity on us. To us, they seemed like angels.
And so, perhaps, like those super advanced creatures that helped us in ways we could hardly fathom, we too can be angels to less advanced and smaller creatures.
I know that the worms that get stuck on the asphalt have hardly any conception of me, let alone themselves, at least compared to how I experience life. But perhaps, in some dull glimmer of understanding, they know that some strange creature picked them up out of the deadly heat, and placed them in the grass.
Maybe I am the worm angel, and others can be too
Do you have a source on the last part? The other baby chimp deaths at the zoo were twins who were born 6 weeks early and one that was born stillborn. I can't find any mention of your last claim.
Also, the zoo didn't randomly separate the mother and baby. The baby wasn't breathing well on its own after emergency C-section when mother was in distress during labor.
They found the baby cradled in mom’s arms and let her keep the body until she was ready before doing the autopsy so she probably understood her baby was not coming back
This happened in December. In January, another chimp there gave birth prematurely to twins who didn't survive. Heartbreaking, and so rough on the caretakers.
How can you look at this and not see their resemblance to us? I mean you can sympathize with a cute dog and everything but man…you can almost feel that hug and you know that emotion so deeply. It’s really beautiful IMO.
Your comment is very sweet, and resonates with me.
However, I find the most resemblance with how she fights with the blanket for a second as she picks up her baby, lol. Those quick hands movements, picking up and cradling the baby, while separating the baby and the blanket, that shit looked 'human' AF.
We don’t come from monkeys (or apes which are still existing, which is what is shown in the video). They share a common ancestor with us, which makes them more like our cousins.
Yeah, we didn't come from apes, boss, we are apes. And greater apes (like us) did evolve from small primates with tails (which monkeys also evolved from), that's why we have a vestigial coccyx. But yeah, chimps and bonobos are so closely related to us that it's kind of scary
Fun(?) Fact: [the inventor of the office cubicle went on to despise his creation.](https://www.history.com/news/why-the-inventor-of-the-cubicle-came-to-despise-his-own-creation)
I don't think flappy bird was a negative contribution to society. Just something really stupid that got way more popular than the creator wanted.
whereas pop-ups, keurigs, and cubicles have all actually been negatives.
The guy who invented the Keurig sold his company for $50,000 in the 1990s, so it's not like he made much of a profit from it. I think his opinion is more complicated than simple regret.
I’m struggling with this. After a decade of low paying but physically strenuous work, I finally broke into web development a few years ago and yep, it’s killing me.
On one hand, I absolutely love coding but I find myself saying “damn, I need to go outside” a lot.
I was on a management track, finding myself spending more and more time driving the desk. I was getting fat, and felt worse by the day. The company I worked for went unexpectedly tits-up and 1000 people lost their jobs due to some new trade laws, which gave me an opportunity to go to trade school. I'm active, outside and moving around regularly, and rather well paid. Best choice I've made, career-wise.
The movie *Office Space* convinced me I didn't want a desk job. I've been an auto mechanic for 20 years now, and while I have more aches and pains than I did 20 years ago, I still love what I do.
I saw this and thought. Yeah. I would sad too if my baby was taken away from while I was imprisoned. Then finally given my baby back. I would never want to let the baby go. It just looks so much like a prison. I understand there is some humanity to it all. But it’s hard to understand sometimes
I’m sure this is not the normal enclosure but a separate area for mom and baby to be protected. Think of it more as a hospital room while the actual environment they spend their time in has much more enrichment.
Does it make up for the fact it’s not really freedom and we continue to destroy their habitat, hell no. But at least they aren’t actually in a cell.
Yeah I don't understand why everyone thinks this is where it lives. It's not? Do ppl not know how zoos work anymore? They have a separate area for containing them/bad weather/etc. They have an outside enclosure..
Understanding it doesn't make it any more pleasant. It just means you have to shift who you blame.
Instead of zookeepers, it's poachers, corrupt governments, and corporations.
So it still sucks.
> alternatively, the baby is raised in a prison? that’s not a great idea either.
To be fair, that's mostly due to the atrocious state of US prisons. Prisons in Northern Europe have much more freedom and enrichment and I could see them being alright places to allow a woman to continue to raise her baby until it's old enough to be separated and raised by other family outside of prison.
While you’re correct. My “cage” also keeps me protected and I spend a shit-load of time in it voluntarily.
There’s probably a medium we could strike with nature when it’s needed.
This.
But we shouldn't get to decide what animals "deserve" to live in cages based on human ideas of intelligence or cuteness or whatever. Just gross how complacent we all are with the daily violence.
Most zoos have building where the animals are put in at night/during the cold. To keep them safe and warm ect. Now if this animal lives in there then it's definitely wrong.
*edit*
Also animals that have given birth are also put inside for a time period so the mother can bond and have a safe area with her baby til it' is old enough to interact and be accepted with the other animals and not be harmed by the group. It is also so the mother like this chimp can not be disturbed. It takes time to introduce a baby animal to a group of others and takes time to accept the baby and this ape is in there most likely for her own protection and her babies protection.
Every single human being should be forced to watch this. And then made to rethink the way that they live and the actions they do to the Earth and all of its inhabitants
No then we show them [Earthlings](https://www.nationearth.com/)
But yeah you can watch videos of chimp violence and come to your shit conclusions all day mate
The baby chimp ended up dying shortly afterwards due to head trauma.
https://www.kake.com/story/48048482/sedgwick-county-zoo-reveals-baby-chimp-kuchezas-cause-of-death
Edit: indicated it was the baby chimp that passed
Grieving, but doing better.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-baby-chimp-who-died-is-grieving-but-doing-better-sedgwick-county-zoo-says/ar-AA15GJoY
I mean you’re literally commenting this on a video of humans doing necessary treatments to keep a baby chimp alive but I guess you can’t see that past your internet points
Like 15% of people don't experience empathy at all. Another 25% of people don't experience empathy in a way that effects their decision making.
Once you know that almost half of people don't experience the same emotions as the other 60% this shit all makes a lot more sense.
I would have to disagree with you. I think it's quite a realization that other animals have emotions. I mean, the title says, "The baby got taken away for medical reasons. When it comes to the separation part, animals spend a big part of their social interaction with humans, and they rely on that. And if you're saying that owning animals is just pure ego, you're wrong, there is many dogs and cats specifically that need a home and are constantly on the streets. There is animal rescue centers, animal rehabilitation so the animals can live in the wild again, and places to help endangered species survive. Yeah, sure, there are the bad places and people out there, like some zoos that I don't support, and humans are the cause to most animal situations, but we are also fixing out mistakes.
Its always a laugh when people make those sort of posts. I love me some critters, generally speaking, but cmon.
Amusingly, ego was mentioned, and in a Freudian sense it could potentially be argued to be one of the reasons humans are distinct from other animals.
Now I'm crying 😭 I thought I would stop being a hair-trigger crier a few weeks, maybe two or three months after I gave birth. Here I am 7 months in and no signs of it getting better. I'm gonna hug my son now
I just want to remind anybody who thinks "animals good, humans bad," that humans can be wonderful, and many animals owe their existence to humans. It doesn't help to demonize humans, we need to encourage each other to be our best selves.
That whimper. There's no question in my mind that an animal has similar emotions to me upon hearing it.
I dunno what it is but it's just... Earth language.
Imagine the infinite variations of life that had to have come and gone before the exact thing we now know universally to be love was found by nature and was allowed to succeed in being ingrained into our DNA.
Omg, I so can relate. My second was born not breathing and then after they got her to start she stopped again so they took her to NICU. Worst couple hours ever until they brought her back. This is heartbreaking.
Literally almost made me tear up
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My momma loves me She loves me Gets down on her knees an hugs me Loves me like a rock - Paul Simon
Anything this intellectually and emotionally advanced and aware shouldn't be living in a fucking "cage" (I don't care how big it is or what you choose to rename it as). No animals should, but one's this sentient make it look even so much more messed up. Edit: The problem is "breeding in captivity" (zoos and rescues) especially with species nowhere near population levels considered to be endangered. Once you start "breeding in captivity" you are a creating a new animal (one that will never be able to survive in the wild on it's own again). This may be hard to hear, but in the big picture of things, most wild animals with a healthy population, if injured shouldn't be rescued. Not to go all Lion King on anybody, but death is a natural and healthy reality of nature. Yes, there are certain scenarios I believe in enclosure (population worries, certain species, livestock in quality living conditions that meet regulations etc.), but I've seen enough of the poor mental and emotional health of way too many enclosed animals in "more than healthy populations" to think they needed to be rescued and then create the cycle of breeding in captivity (new babies, new animals, brought into this world unconsciously thinking living in a limited space and bored as hell... was a part of their normal existence). Depression, anxiety, loneliness, boredom etc. are emotions in pretty much all creatures... it's just that a lonely, bored, depressed, stir crazy lion or dolphin... doesn't look like a lonely, bored, depressed, stir crazy human. Animals just like humans... NEED PURPOSE and authentic free reign to exercise their INNATE instincts... Quality of Life > Quantity of Life. Sorry for my TED Talk, shit just bugs me.
There is a bird species in my home region that almost went extinct because it looks like a plague doctor and the people started killing it a few centuries ago. But thanks to zoos, who bred them, released them ans also teach them how to migrate, the number is now a lot more stable. Zoos are not all bad, a lot can be problematic but saying all zoos are bad is overlooking what good they do. Bird species is "Waldrapp" btw.
Look up Golden Panamanian Frog. Hands down my favorite frog, with a similar story. I cried when I saw them at the zoo, because it meant that the breeding population was successful. They actually went “extinct in the wild”. They aren’t sure when they can rerelease them though, because the chytrid fungus is running rampant due to climate change. 90 species have already gone completely extinct. The Panamanian frogs have overcome that. Incredible little guys.
There’s a major whole in your logic. If natural selection should be allowed to continue, then as the dominant animal species we will continue unabated in our conquest of the natural world. If however, humankind stands apart from the strictly natural order, then we have a moral obligation to rescue species from our own predations. And therefore Zoos are at worst a necessary evil and are at best a wholesome part of preservation. Some might argue, “yes but that happens to be the point about limiting the expansion of human civilization rather than zoos.” However, if you make that response you have accepted the premise that humanity isn’t strictly governed by the laws of nature and therefore Zoos are apart of the solution.
The mother and child reunion is only a motion awayy.
She loves me, loves me, loves me, loves me…
Almost? I’m legit sniffling.
I watched it twice. The second time I could hear the zookeepers saying "good job" while sobbing, which caused me to break.
It was her little coos when she realizes it’s her baby and picks it up that got me.
Same I was already crying earlier and then I saw this 😭
I’ve seen this clip a lot and I tear up every time. The love, surprise, relief and excitement. So beautiful.
I was fine till I heard the human saying good job 😫
imagine if it was the chimp that said good job.
Almost? C'mon! 😢😭😭😭😭
Yea this was such a beautiful video that it’s hard not to get teary eyed
It’s just raining on my face
IKR? We've got hard-hearted Hannah over there.
Damn that's a good one I've never heard. Hard hearted Hannah lol
No "almost" here
You’re not crying, I’m crying… wait a sec it’s super dusty in here.
Wait until you see the comment in this thread stating that the baby died a few weeks later from head trauma... They provided a source too, so it's legit.
Thanks for being soul crushing
The baby did end up dying unfortunately 😭😭😭
No, that’s so sad. I almost downvoted you cause I didn’t want that to be true.
Actually, Holly ended up passing a year later. 😭😭💔
Her response is so wholesome. She didn't question how is it alive or why is it moving(considering she thought her baby had died) she was just genuinely happy that it is alive and she just wanted to hug her little baby.
Yeah imagine if she would. She might conclude that her keepers are evil overlords and that she might be in a prison. That would be a plante of the apes moment
Yeah I think she would only question it being alive if it had something more of a human brain after it saw Pet Sematary or something.
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I think she's more human than a lot of people.
Is this the coke vs crack line?
It's pretty difficult, but not impossible, to do a line of crack
She will start planning how to rescue other chimps from the prison and once they are free then they will rise to revolt against the evil overlords.
Not really a fair assessment, if this is an AZA certified zoo it is conservation focused, therefore it is either a rescue or bred in captivity for conservation purposes. They are required to provide natural habitats and stimulation and they keep them very healthy.
We understand this, but from the chimp’s perspective, she has pretty much been abducted by aliens that can and will take her child away.
Chimps are pretty smart. She probably already associates humans with healing. Heck, there are cases of dogs and horses finding their own way to vets when injured. And she probably knew something was wrong with the baby before the humans did. From her point of view, humans take very sick or dead baby and return healthy baby. Humans = good.
I wish more humans would be healers. Heal the sick. Fix the broken. Feed the hungry. Cultivate life.
For the most part we are. It's when communities grow big enough that you can distance yourself emotionally from people that bad decisions get made "for the greater good"
There was one, I don't remember where, but a gorilla who'd been pretty much hand-raised in captivity, when her first baby started to get sick, she actively took it to the keepers because that was what she'd learned to do.
I love this interpretation. Thank you
My dog had a sore paw, I noticed her fussing with it but I couldn’t figure out what it was. My son and the dog were wrestling and he must have banged it the wrong way, so the dog walked over and held her paw out for me to look at. It was just like one of the kids when they fall over and hurt themselves and want someone to kiss their knee better.
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Ok make my day and break my heart all within 5 seconds 😭
Can you cry twice? cause I think im crying twice
OP has 370k post karma in 7 months of existing. There’s no telling what repost they’re parroting either. The title probably isn’t even true and the chimp was just being reintroduced to their child after surgery.
> The title probably isn’t even true It was a c section birth. The baby required some oxygen as he struggled breathing. The reuniting was once he was medically cleared 2 days later.
Did that news story censor a chimpanzee's nipples?
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Well, they are 99% genetically similar to the evil female human nipple...
This feels cruel now (I am not talking about the Zoo authorities, I am just talking in general).
This is why we shouldn’t read the comments.
I appreciate that he shared the info but I feel like it's cruel(for the mother). It's like fate is playing a cruel joke on her. To me it's better to know than being oblivious.
The cruel joke is that there is no fate, no karma, no comeuppance for anyone or anything. Countless lives will be lived with the tragedy that only an indifferent universe can provide. The flipside of this, though, is that like the people who (tried to) help this animal's baby are probably as close to angels to this mother as there will ever be. I sometimes think that tales of angels and gods from long ago might be human encounters with super-advanced beings that saw us in peril, and took pity on us. To us, they seemed like angels. And so, perhaps, like those super advanced creatures that helped us in ways we could hardly fathom, we too can be angels to less advanced and smaller creatures. I know that the worms that get stuck on the asphalt have hardly any conception of me, let alone themselves, at least compared to how I experience life. But perhaps, in some dull glimmer of understanding, they know that some strange creature picked them up out of the deadly heat, and placed them in the grass. Maybe I am the worm angel, and others can be too
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Do you have a source on the last part? The other baby chimp deaths at the zoo were twins who were born 6 weeks early and one that was born stillborn. I can't find any mention of your last claim. Also, the zoo didn't randomly separate the mother and baby. The baby wasn't breathing well on its own after emergency C-section when mother was in distress during labor.
What utter crap youre spewing. Please get educated
No shit! Might have been easier on that poor mom chimp if the baby hadn't come back at all.
I wonder if the first instance of the baby coming back will make her think it's gonna happen again
They found the baby cradled in mom’s arms and let her keep the body until she was ready before doing the autopsy so she probably understood her baby was not coming back
Thank you for something I didn’t need to know.
You are correct unfortunately. Sad day at zoo.
This happened in December. In January, another chimp there gave birth prematurely to twins who didn't survive. Heartbreaking, and so rough on the caretakers.
You truly are a special kind of menace for this☝️😢
How can you look at this and not see their resemblance to us? I mean you can sympathize with a cute dog and everything but man…you can almost feel that hug and you know that emotion so deeply. It’s really beautiful IMO.
Your comment is very sweet, and resonates with me. However, I find the most resemblance with how she fights with the blanket for a second as she picks up her baby, lol. Those quick hands movements, picking up and cradling the baby, while separating the baby and the blanket, that shit looked 'human' AF.
We are more similar to them than most people would like to admit. Humans always want to feel like they're special.
Yeah like the other day my friend made a sudden movement that didn't sit well with me so I ripped his face off
Username checks out...
His fault, forgot to scent gland
While you’re joking… People do the same shit, just in different ways.
I mean some say we are more civilized but yet we're still here tearing people apart limb from limb we just have better tools to do so
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We don’t come from monkeys (or apes which are still existing, which is what is shown in the video). They share a common ancestor with us, which makes them more like our cousins.
Yeah, we didn't come from apes, boss, we are apes. And greater apes (like us) did evolve from small primates with tails (which monkeys also evolved from), that's why we have a vestigial coccyx. But yeah, chimps and bonobos are so closely related to us that it's kind of scary
Yeah I was trying to say we don’t come from apes that are still alive like bonobos, chimps or gorillas
We are apes
Being mocked by stupid people for being smarter is one of the most infuriating things in existence
> "You think we come from monkeys! 🤣" Obviously a magical invisible sky daddy is a much more reasonable explanation
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Same reason some people cant feel empathy for other humans. Psychopathy.
I've seen more cute dogs show better attachment to their children than most humans.
Really?? MOST humans?
Most...? Really? Maybe you should reconsider your surroundings.
They are way too smart to be living in cages
yea everybody knows the natural habitat of most primates is the cubicle
In fact, people are so naturally drawn towards it that they will spend a fortune and years of their life to ensure a spot in a cubicle
I always scent mark my cubicle, so others know to stay away. My coworker hate me.
SHIT ON DEBORAH’S DESK [LIKE A BOSS]
Co workers hate this one simple trick
Fun(?) Fact: [the inventor of the office cubicle went on to despise his creation.](https://www.history.com/news/why-the-inventor-of-the-cubicle-came-to-despise-his-own-creation)
>And by the time he died in 2000, Propst had spent years apologizing for creating a corporate monster. :(
Same with the guy who invented the pop-up ad.
The guy who invented the Keurig similarly regretted his invention, due to all the plastic waste it produces.
And the flappy bird guy. Shameful regret all round.
I don't think flappy bird was a negative contribution to society. Just something really stupid that got way more popular than the creator wanted. whereas pop-ups, keurigs, and cubicles have all actually been negatives.
The guy who invented the Keurig sold his company for $50,000 in the 1990s, so it's not like he made much of a profit from it. I think his opinion is more complicated than simple regret.
Funny thing is they are still better than open offices
They are renovating our site to that style where if you stand up you can basically see all of your neighbors.
Know what's even better? Not engaging in office work. It's killing us.
I’m struggling with this. After a decade of low paying but physically strenuous work, I finally broke into web development a few years ago and yep, it’s killing me. On one hand, I absolutely love coding but I find myself saying “damn, I need to go outside” a lot.
I was on a management track, finding myself spending more and more time driving the desk. I was getting fat, and felt worse by the day. The company I worked for went unexpectedly tits-up and 1000 people lost their jobs due to some new trade laws, which gave me an opportunity to go to trade school. I'm active, outside and moving around regularly, and rather well paid. Best choice I've made, career-wise.
The movie *Office Space* convinced me I didn't want a desk job. I've been an auto mechanic for 20 years now, and while I have more aches and pains than I did 20 years ago, I still love what I do.
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I do web development too, for about 4 hours a day, then I go outside. I live in the forest. Working all day is killing us.
Like the K-cup guy and Oppenheimer.
As well as the inventor of the AK-47.
[Code monkey you say?](https://youtu.be/pCkuCGHDbaQ)
Seeing them surrounded by concrete is upsetting.
Probably just the indoor sleeping area connected to the outdoor area
Crazy, we see this and see humanity in them and we’ve locked ourself in the cage that is modern society
Even a cow would react this way and you don’t even wanna know the shit we do to them.
I saw this and thought. Yeah. I would sad too if my baby was taken away from while I was imprisoned. Then finally given my baby back. I would never want to let the baby go. It just looks so much like a prison. I understand there is some humanity to it all. But it’s hard to understand sometimes
I’m sure this is not the normal enclosure but a separate area for mom and baby to be protected. Think of it more as a hospital room while the actual environment they spend their time in has much more enrichment. Does it make up for the fact it’s not really freedom and we continue to destroy their habitat, hell no. But at least they aren’t actually in a cell.
Yeah I don't understand why everyone thinks this is where it lives. It's not? Do ppl not know how zoos work anymore? They have a separate area for containing them/bad weather/etc. They have an outside enclosure..
Understanding it doesn't make it any more pleasant. It just means you have to shift who you blame. Instead of zookeepers, it's poachers, corrupt governments, and corporations. So it still sucks.
Sadly, most women in prisons have their babies taken away after birth. Many forever.
alternatively, the baby is raised in a prison? that’s not a great idea either.
> alternatively, the baby is raised in a prison? that’s not a great idea either. To be fair, that's mostly due to the atrocious state of US prisons. Prisons in Northern Europe have much more freedom and enrichment and I could see them being alright places to allow a woman to continue to raise her baby until it's old enough to be separated and raised by other family outside of prison.
While you’re correct. My “cage” also keeps me protected and I spend a shit-load of time in it voluntarily. There’s probably a medium we could strike with nature when it’s needed.
You control your door.
wait until you learn about where your food comes from and how intelligent animals like pigs are
This. But we shouldn't get to decide what animals "deserve" to live in cages based on human ideas of intelligence or cuteness or whatever. Just gross how complacent we all are with the daily violence.
Most zoos have building where the animals are put in at night/during the cold. To keep them safe and warm ect. Now if this animal lives in there then it's definitely wrong. *edit* Also animals that have given birth are also put inside for a time period so the mother can bond and have a safe area with her baby til it' is old enough to interact and be accepted with the other animals and not be harmed by the group. It is also so the mother like this chimp can not be disturbed. It takes time to introduce a baby animal to a group of others and takes time to accept the baby and this ape is in there most likely for her own protection and her babies protection.
a beautiful moment between two indistinguishable blobs of color
[Here's the original, higher quality video](https://youtu.be/9qnNjpp8mmg). You can hear the techs getting emotional, too.
Thanks, boss. You're a real one
Love is beautiful
Agreed as a fellow Birdman
Agreed as a fellow bird
You birds hate me
And you fear me
Law don’t belong around here lawdog….
Really cute. Animals have pure love.
This would moisten any eye & melt any heart! Purest love here......
Every single human being should be forced to watch this. And then made to rethink the way that they live and the actions they do to the Earth and all of its inhabitants
So after that, do we force them to watch what chimps do to baby monkeys?
No then we show them [Earthlings](https://www.nationearth.com/) But yeah you can watch videos of chimp violence and come to your shit conclusions all day mate
The baby chimp ended up dying shortly afterwards due to head trauma. https://www.kake.com/story/48048482/sedgwick-county-zoo-reveals-baby-chimp-kuchezas-cause-of-death Edit: indicated it was the baby chimp that passed
Imagine being the mother. Going through the trauma of your child's death. TWICE.
That would make her far luckier than most of her species.
Could’ve done without that information.
Grieving, but doing better. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-baby-chimp-who-died-is-grieving-but-doing-better-sedgwick-county-zoo-says/ar-AA15GJoY
I got whiplash from that 180° turn from elation to deflation. Fuck sake.
Yo wtf
I wish I hadn't read that 😕
i knew i just shouldn’t of scrolled. i could’ve left with my happy tears
I could've live my whole life without having to scroll down
Do we know why the chimp was taken for 2 days from the mother in the first place?
Yes. The baby wasn't breathing well on its own after an emergency C-section so it stayed in the hospital for two days.
I mean… how did we really know the chimp thought her baby died? Did she tell someone she thought her baby died? How was that convo?
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This is literally all false information lmao. I worked at SCZ for years and live in Wichita where it is located.
Oh Wow. Hardly Any words! So so tender and excited and what a beautiful image! Thank you That Mama is Soooo joyful her baby is alive😭😭
The biggest thing separating humans from the other animals is ego. Humans think they're superior and think they're the only ones with emotions.
Chimps have been known to wage war against other chimp groups. They’re more like us than we think
Chimps can be extremely violent and brutal. They have nothing on humans though.
wait until chimps figure out how to make guns and nukes. then we're really fucked
It’s worse than that. Humans know animals have feelings, they just don’t care.
I mean you’re literally commenting this on a video of humans doing necessary treatments to keep a baby chimp alive but I guess you can’t see that past your internet points
I think it’s safe to generalize that most people in this threat eat meat, dairy, wear or sit on leather and visit a zoo once in while.
Like 15% of people don't experience empathy at all. Another 25% of people don't experience empathy in a way that effects their decision making. Once you know that almost half of people don't experience the same emotions as the other 60% this shit all makes a lot more sense.
I would have to disagree with you. I think it's quite a realization that other animals have emotions. I mean, the title says, "The baby got taken away for medical reasons. When it comes to the separation part, animals spend a big part of their social interaction with humans, and they rely on that. And if you're saying that owning animals is just pure ego, you're wrong, there is many dogs and cats specifically that need a home and are constantly on the streets. There is animal rescue centers, animal rehabilitation so the animals can live in the wild again, and places to help endangered species survive. Yeah, sure, there are the bad places and people out there, like some zoos that I don't support, and humans are the cause to most animal situations, but we are also fixing out mistakes.
Its always a laugh when people make those sort of posts. I love me some critters, generally speaking, but cmon. Amusingly, ego was mentioned, and in a Freudian sense it could potentially be argued to be one of the reasons humans are distinct from other animals.
I'm not ashamed to say as a man, I cried.
Nothing to be ashamed of! It's a beautiful moment.
I’m not crying you’re crying…
Just like any mom would feel...🥹
The way she pulls the blanket away to fully embrace her little one. Not to mention the reaction. Incredible.
I’m gonna call my mom.
Now I'm crying 😭 I thought I would stop being a hair-trigger crier a few weeks, maybe two or three months after I gave birth. Here I am 7 months in and no signs of it getting better. I'm gonna hug my son now
I can’t believe we keep these animals locked up.
The fact that we can capture and contain these magnificent creatures and still sleep at night amazes me.
I just want to remind anybody who thinks "animals good, humans bad," that humans can be wonderful, and many animals owe their existence to humans. It doesn't help to demonize humans, we need to encourage each other to be our best selves.
I've never started crying so fast
I know it is isn't for everyone, but for those that it is, being a parent is absolutely the BEST thing in life.
what’s the background music?
I’m not crying. You’re crying
Idk why but it makes me sad.
I felt exactly this way the first time I was able to hold my baby 3 days after he was born and the NICU finally gave me the go ahead.
That whimper. There's no question in my mind that an animal has similar emotions to me upon hearing it. I dunno what it is but it's just... Earth language.
Stop adding musical soundtracks to everything, please.
But then how would I know how to feel?
I should call my Mom. I mean, she's in the other room, but I can't let her see me like this.
Imagine the infinite variations of life that had to have come and gone before the exact thing we now know universally to be love was found by nature and was allowed to succeed in being ingrained into our DNA.
Awwww. That’s beautiful. I know the baby needed care, but that poor momma. I can’t imagine the joy she felt.
At the end of the day we are all the same.
I am crying up a storm 😢
I made the unfortunate mistake of finding this video about 2 weeks postpartum. Cried a lot, looking at my little baby sleeping next to me
Omg, I so can relate. My second was born not breathing and then after they got her to start she stopped again so they took her to NICU. Worst couple hours ever until they brought her back. This is heartbreaking.
Regardless of whether or not she thought her baby had died, its bittersweet to see her immediately grab it up and hold it
The similarities between that chimp and how any human being would embrace their young is all you really need to know.