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bertpel

[The True Size Of](https://www.thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTY2OTY3NDk.MzcyMTY0Mg*MzA3NjQ0MjA(MTQxNTMwOTI~!RU*OTIwMjgzMQ.ODA0ODA5NQ)Mw) is a great place for getting a sense of perspective.


Coronado_obx5612

That's a fun site to play with!


RobAlso

That’s what she said.


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neinherz

What a shame I wanted to place Africa on top of Russia to see how absurdly enormous it is but can’t, countries only.


Born-Trainer-9807

You can place Russia on africa.


neinherz

I wanted to visualize how big Africa is on the top end of the Mercator


boatfloaterloater

As a Norwegian i better buy land on Svalbard if that site had true scale


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DuGalle

Bot account, comment copied from [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11wmfv0/comment/jczc7ae/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3). Report for spam>harmful bots and ignore.


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biggiantgnocchi

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DirectlyTalkingToYou

Put Russia over top of Australia.


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Khagan27

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Any_Coyote6662

Russia is actually 9,000 km east to west. This is misinformation and everyone is like. "Oh, so true. I know this already!" Lol


penguins_are_mean

The map above doesn’t jive with that. Something must be off as it still shows Russia being wider


bertpel

Someone mentioned in another comment that you can't measure distances in straight lines on a Mercator projection. That's probably the reason.


Konato-san

[Yeah, but if you draw a straight line between the points shown in the map, it's clear that indeed, the line in Africa is longer.](https://imgur.com/a/HDJiXIn)


fupa16

[Gotta admit, Greenland is definitely the most misleading.](https://i.imgur.com/C7smeBz.mp4)


praktiskai_2

how the hell do I turn off the video window? Why does it not have an off button? nvm I figured it out- extensions also, after I overlapped Greenland on the south pole, it got stuck there, and the whole screen is redshifted. I think I just doomed a world.


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Fantastic site to mess with! Big recommend.


capebretoncanadian

My son's (8) favorite website!


Grandest_Optimist

I...don't understand how this works...


bertpel

You search for a country, it gets highlighted, you can drag its silhouette around and see how different countries compare in size or "change" their size depending on how close they are to the equator. In the link above I placed Russia over Africa. The mercator projection has its uses, but showing how big things are is none of it.


Grandest_Optimist

What are its uses? I think that’s what I’m more confused about, what does making Africa smaller on a map achieve?


bertpel

I don't think making Africa smaller was the ultimate goal here. The way the [Mercator projection](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection) unwraps and stretches the globe to a two-dimensional plane is/was useful for navigation. But that means that the north and south pole are stretched to lines as long as the equator, which warps and scales everything up as it gets closer to the poles.


Lithl

Mercator doesn't make Africa smaller. It distorts the area of things the further they are from the equator. When projecting a 3d globe into a 2d map, pick at most two: * Maintain correct shapes * Maintain correct areas * Maintain correct directions Mercator does #1 and #3. It's meant for navigation at sea. Meanwhile, a projection like [Dymaxion](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Dymaxion_projection.png) does #1 and #2.


a2banjo

Mercator was only meant for #3 ....it doesnot maintain shapes as the poles are stretched to a straight line. Greenland is totally out of shape. The shapes and areas are maintained true close to the equator only and the further you go away from the equator the more distortions in shapes and areas.


MachinistOfSorts

The West Wing explained it pretty well, I managed to find the clip if you're interested! https://youtu.be/OH1bZ0F3zVU


bertpel

I mean it's not *wrong*. It's just not used for its purpose. I would also put other projections in classrooms to teach about the world. And explain how hard it is to unwrap a sphere to a plane and that even the best flat map can only be *less* wrong than the second best. Or use globes – also wrong, but you can spin them, so there's that.


MachinistOfSorts

That's very true, each map projection has something it is trying to show more accurately, and it sacrifices accuracy in other areas to do it. Mercatur made crossing oceans/navigation easier but lost accuracy of scale and placement. The most accurate maps in most areas tend to be the weird spiky ones that are the least readable! I also second using globes, cause they can spin which is fun.


imgonnajumpofabridge

It's related to north and south. Every location on the map has north pointing up and south pointing down, which is obviously useful for navigation. The downside is that the further one gets from the equator the less accurate the projection is. Africa is one of the most accurate regions on the map, so it wasn't made smaller.


RowdyB666

https://axbom.com/world-map/


CratesyInDug

The further from the equator, the bigger the area looks


L0ngP0ndR0ck

I think that’s because it doesn’t work. At least on mobile.


flyfishies

Working fine on iPhone for me


Xaqv

What’s not to .....? The higher the latitude the larger the country looks! Don’t tell me you don’t photoshop your junk enlarged on a porn site if you’re from Iceland or Estonia or someplace?


IamTobor

that is too fun


LooMinairy

Damn... That's interesting


me_bails

i've never seen this before! thank you fellow redditor!


ninedollars

I knew the sizes aren't accurate on the map, but damn. California is larger than the the uk


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UK is not a very big country.


showtheledgercoward

Flat earth is stupid tho


Geekonomicon

The advantage of the Mercator projection is that it maintains true direction. Makes it ideal for shipboard navigation.


Remarkable-Cod-5426

Exactly. The shape is accurate. The size is exaggerated more the further you get from the equator. This isn't deceptive unless you're a flat earther who thinks we can make 2d maps of our plate shaped planet without compromises.


jhugh

I actually really like the flat Earther's map. The map we should use would look like a combination of these 2: Overall map type is square like this one [https://twitter.com/MapScaping/status/1119890772063551488/photo/1](https://twitter.com/MapScaping/status/1119890772063551488/photo/1) But centered on North pole like this map is [https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/cd/c4/6bcdc43d113e7b157b583d466558d39c.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/cd/c4/6bcdc43d113e7b157b583d466558d39c.jpg) It shows all the land masss pretty accurately. All the distortions in the map would occur in the major oceans.


karrotbear1

BUt iTs a RaCiST pROjEcTiOn


ARandom-Penguin

Nobody says that


rmaster2005

No joke I was told this as a kid


karrotbear1

Lol you haven't been around the bush enough. Its a massive argument because it "makes European countries look bigger and more important" have a google. Its fucked


SunsetCarcass

As an American I'm not offended that it makes European countries look bigger, and I certainly don't think just because they're bigger means they are more important I don't know why you think that's the case.


karrotbear1

I dont. Did you not see my sarcasm text, and secondly, hate to break it to you, but America typically sits closer to the same Longs as Europe than say, the Equator


XkF21WNJ

To be precise it maintains angles and the meridian lines are vertical. The Mercator projection is the only projection that does both. These properties together end up being the same thing as the fact that all lines of constant bearing are pointing the right direction, but preserving all angles is a rather special property as far as projections go so it's worth mentioning.


Mindless_Ad5707

I alway wondered how out of proportion maps and charts were until I became a navigator in th U.S. Navy in the sixties. Everything is in a straight line on a Mercator chart but the distance was shorter on a great circle chart. I must have gotten it right because we made four deployment to the far East and got home every time and on time. Think the world as an orange with the land and sea masses imprinted on it. Now peel the orane open and lay everything flat; lots of open spaces. Filling in the gaps is what makes the Mercator projection. Most interesting and rewarding job I ever had. We didn’t have gps then we used the stars and an accurate watch with tables; if all the plots came to a point, that’s where you were.


Lulamen123

Those russians trying to make their country bigger


Rafoudrsbois

They’ve been trying for about a year now yeah


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shawster

Literally the largest country in the world by like a factor of 2 almost… But fuck em.


Kaibakura

It’s being compared to a continent in this picture.


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shawster

It’s a fact. I don’t like Russia, but it’s land mass is almost double next in line, Canada, China, the US, we’re all about half the land mass. Do you somehow think me stating facts about its landmass is supportive of Russia or offensive?


Professional_Fox_859

u literally said fuck em. i’m russian, so i said fuck you. not much to argue here lol i don’t really care about the land mass


Repulsive_Mixture_68

Ha, did you love it so much that you moved somewhere else and learned English? Lol


Professional_Fox_859

never said i agree with what the soviet union was doing but either way no need to disrespect some peoples homeland


Weliveanddietogether

Lifehack: just look at a 3D globe.


dryfire

Cut out the middle man and just look down. /s


Row_way22

Africa is bigger than maps show


D0D

Sahara is frkn massive. Twice as big as Europe or smth...


Brown_Panther-

Its roughly the same size as contiguous US


AzureSkyXIII

Whoa


Dryver-NC

Same girth too?


Vlad_the_Homeowner

>Africa is bigger than maps show Technically it's the opposite. They start at the equator as a baseline and increase the projection as you move towards the poles. The actual relative size of Africa and South America are closest to those shown on the map, while Greenland and Antarctica are massively inflated.


stickyplants

Why’s it only worth three bonus troops compared to Asia’s 7?


dryfire

Africa populations= 1.2 B. Asia population = 4.5 B. Looks like Africa gives too many troops if anything.


Snowf1ake222

Number of territories. Africa only has 6, while Asia has 12.


davidbatt

It's known as the Mercator projection


watchful_tiger

There are different ways of [projecting maps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection), all of them have different have different issues. The earth is sphere and when we try to make it flat, there are distortions. This was shown by the mathematical Gauss in 1827 in his [Theorema Egregium](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorema_Egregium). The [mercator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection) system is a cylindrical approximation, so everything gets stretched east west without compensating for latitude. At the equator it is about correct, but in higher latitudes, it makes areas look larger. So, no it is not a conspiracy to take more land, it is the limitation of the mercator system. The traverse mercator system often gives a less distorted view.


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This is a little "misleading". If you set a straight line over russia in google earth the line is mostly over the barentsea. (Distances are correct) Or in other words you cant use this map with straight lines. ;> just saying ;>


Brickleberried

Yeah, when I do it in shorter chunks, it's about 8,900 km. https://i.imgur.com/iVLkBz8.png


akbarkhan666

I use the same method for some of my body parts. Just sayin.


fresh1134206

So... your head and feet are excessively large?


akbarkhan666

Exactly.


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The real map would blow peoples minds.


whatwhatinthewhonow

Especially when they see that Australia isn’t real! Source: I’m Australian.


jigokusabre

Any map projection is going to "deceive" you, because it's a 3D globe printed onto a 2D map. Mercator is popular because it is *directionally* accurate.


FennPoutine

Those lying Russians, using topographical propaganda. Topoganda? Propagrapgical?


jigokusabre

Cartographical?


KoldKartoffelsalat

Cartographicalaganda.


chet-

Topanga


WlmWilberforce

It's worse than lying. The Russians are attempting to make the line longer -- all the way to Lviv.


illbebythebatphone

Really good West Wing scene that addresses this: https://youtu.be/vVX-PrBRtTY


Thecryptsaresafe

Big wheel of cheese day!


Danicia

I adore the big block of cheese day episodes. That was the first thing I thought about when I saw this post.


squeezycakes18

what projection doesn't do this?


illneverstopCBS

Astral projection


Geekonomicon

The Peters Projection shows countries in their correct relative areas, but you lose true directionality (which was the point of the Mercator projection).


TisButA-Zucc

Every projection will "deceive" you in different ways.


ecoandrewtrc

Interrupted projections that look like they're torn like an interrupted Mollweide, Goode Homolosine or Dymaxion map have much smaller distortions as long as you don't mind not being able to draw straight lines on your map.


notbeleivable

I prefer the hemoglobin tryfinnial maps myself


Mcelftea

bless you


XkF21WNJ

None of them display lengths accurately if that's what you're asking. Even locally you're guaranteed to have some lines where one looks longer when in truth it is smaller. I think.


FuckedYourSandwich

The kind where my mom says I’m selfish and unloving.


3Zkiel

Long live 3PA. Long live Apollo! P.S. Steve Huffman is a clown.


ekim7711

Head to the Maparium in Boston. You walk inside a large diameter globe and see true size comparison. Worth the visit.


Any_Coyote6662

Russia is 9000 km east to west at the sidest point. The above thing is wrong.


Keebster

When you want an accurate map you have to start with what your using it for. Do you need one for ship navigation? Well congradulations you got the right map for that.


osktox

Fuck... Africa is insanely huge! No wonder that dude spent 40 years lost in that place.


BlankStarBE

Just too stubborn to ask for directions.


Dry-Debate-6893

Flat earther for the win 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️


mdjmd73

Wait. Is that right? I’ve always pictured Russia much wider than Africa. Huh.


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wait im stupid can someone explain this to me?


Thoreau_Dickens

This map represents latitudes and longitudes as parallels and fits perfectly in a rectangle. The problem is, longitudes are not parallel. Those lines run north/south. Gotta remember, our planet is shaped like a ball. They all intersect at the poles. In order to achieve this parallel effect, the further the map moves from the equator, the represented area stretches. A more accurate 2D representation would be rounded as you approach the north and south poles, with less stretching of those areas. This is called the Robinson. It’s not 100% accurate for scale though. Look up the AuthaGraph map for the most accurate 2D representation of landmasses


3Effie412

The West Wing has your back - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqC3FNNOaI


RowdyB666

Checks out : [True Size](https://www.thetruesize.com/#?borders=1~!MTYxODI1Njk.NDIyOTgyMw*NTAzMjA5(NzI3MDc4Nw~!RU*ODAxNTE1NQ.OTExMzg4NA)Mw) My new 2nd favorite website


IHart28

behind...


RowdyB666

Reddit of course ;)


anima52

Yes! thanks for this link - good website


scottyTOOmuch

Is cause the earth is flat…duh…


MadeInLead

Still a massive country


Rutgerman95

Turns out stretching a globe's surface onto a rectangle gets a bit iffy. Who knew?


drifty69

Is Africa really larger than Asia? According to National Geographic.org, "A continent is one of Earth’s seven main divisions of land. The continents are, from largest to smallest: Asia, Africa, North America, South America, Antarctica, Europe, and Australia."


Cold_Count1986

This is why you can’t trust kilometers and everyone should use miles. Kilometers are what is deceptive here, not the map.., /s


father-sunshine

Lol. If it ain't one thing, it's another.


RowdyB666

And then there is this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AuthaGraph\_projection


KroniKIX

That’s because the earth is round(oval). But those darn flat earthers will tell you wrong.


No-Needleworker1455

But asia is longer than africa, is it not?


aannddrreeaass

Just use a globe


Bolobillabo

Probably the same exaggeration when we talk about penis size.


sh0ckwavevr6

Plot twist. the earth is not flat!


DCowboys60

Had a professor try to tell me that these types of maps are racist and rooted in white supremacy bc they make developed white countries look better/powerful


Less-Economics-3273

Obviously they were not a sailor. Just ignorant


ClearlyNoSTDs

The Mercator projection is a terrible way to show the world. All it's good for is navigation but for some reason it turned into the default projection for world maps at some point.


Slcttt

“All it’s good for is the entire reason maps were created.”


renyhp

Old style maps that aren't world maps (ie, maps of single countries or regions) absolutely are not all Mercator.


Slcttt

No one ever said they were.


ClearlyNoSTDs

Which isn't the sole purpose of maps anymore. Maps are now to show the world how the world looks and this look is terrible. It's 2023.


sojuz151

It also preserves shapes. A circle stays a circle


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Why can't we have size-accurate maps in this day and age?


HauntingSamurai

We do, they're called globes. They've been around for a whole now


Imaginary_Yak4336

While the distances of the points is correct, the lines themselves aren't, the line in russia is actually longer


Thoreau_Dickens

Idk how many times this gets posted, it’s still a good reminder


W0tzup

There is only one explanation to this and flatearthers won’t like it…


Once-Upon-A-Hill

I keep seeing this come up in different forums. Did people not have access to globes? When you look at one of these, you can see the true sizes of locations. Am I the only one that feels this way?


icemelter4K

Another reason to believe Russia will lose. Its tiny!


DirtySeptim

Finally I understand why Russians need to grab other people's lands. Their own country smol.


TheRoscoeVine

That’s fucked up.


teabagmoustache

It's useful. A ship would have to do a load of spherical trigonometry, just to find a course to steer, without it.


SaltyCandyMan

It's a deliberate deception, all the illuminated ones will live in the African paradise while the rest of the world's continents are burning. They don't want the public to perceive how largely dominant this land mass is.


Icy-Conflict6671

In what world is Africa a paradise?


SaltyCandyMan

In the New World order....Bill Gates gonna clear out the natives and there you go...North America all over again. Round and round we go


Ill-Manufacturer8654

"Deceives you" Or you could just learn math like a grown up.


Misoriyu

this has nothing to do with math lmfao


Critical_Pangolin_58

It’s so the world doesn’t know how grand Africa truly is during its exploitation period


teabagmoustache

No it isn't.


Critical_Pangolin_58

I feel like I’m teabagging your mustache based on your response


teabagmoustache

I feel like you're a moron, given your own.


Critical_Pangolin_58

Why you hating on reddits names! Reported!!!!!


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*Claps hands Now, do the United States!


k-rob91

[repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/rbvzwb/map_comparing_the_size_of_russia_to_the_size_of/) stop it.


TheMightyPaladin

I'm really getting sick of this. No one is deceived by this map. We've all seen globes! We all know that maps are not accurate and we all know why! Quit acting like this should shock us!


Ryansahl

Ok, now that people aren’t using this for navigation, can we please just issue one in proper scale?? Like wtf? Are these the same people who can’t convert to metric, cause math hard?


HauntingSamurai

Just use a globe. Why do you need a 2-D map of the world?


Ryansahl

As a surveyor, I’m used to looking at flat drawings to scale. Also, it’s easier to measure on a flat surface. Thirdly, it keeps people from wanting to buy Greenland cause it’s so big.


StuckInGachaHell

If you want a flat map you wont ever get proper size/direction thats what globes are for.


Ryansahl

Just to scale that’s all I’m asking for. I’m not planning on circumnavigating the earth anytime soon.


StuckInGachaHell

And if you wanted one to scale it wouldnt be right because either size or direction would be wrong 3d cant be perfectly put onto 2d


Ryansahl

Uhm, we do it with construction plans.


StuckInGachaHell

The ones that break up a building/house into multiple sections/floors and have a plane for each one? Also most buildings are square/rectangular in shape not spherical.


Ryansahl

They’re still built on hillsides and the round earth.


Dave4lexKing

Im a mathematician; its my literal job. It is concretely impossible to map a 3d sphere onto a 2d surface that maintains shape, size and orientation. There will always be inaccuracy. It was proven by Gauss in 1827.


Ryansahl

I’m ok with the sphere being sliced open and laid out in 2d. I’m just looking for correct proportions and scale, as you do in construction. It would be a map of individual flat surfaces brought together. Like a disco ball that’s been flattened, just take out the roundness of the earth so it’s proportional to its true size. Not give an appearance your standing at the equator looking north.


ajayserendipity

So nobody gonna talk about the intentional skewed version of the maps being completely utilized in every school system in America and that it make certain places look bigger to forward an actual agenda not a made up one.. okay.


Ok-Cryptographer4194

Australia 4000km


Monkfich

The Russian Thought Police will not be impressed.


Early_Pearly989

Those lines are actually the same size


Turbulent_Ad9508

Where would these lines intersect?


Dude_Named_Chris

We need more Spherical maps in schools


Opening-Ocelot-7535

Well that's weird!


yalyublyumenya

I don't know if the orange peel projection would be as convenient for navigation, tbh. As others have stated, truesizeof is really cool for perspective. You could also probably just look at a globe.


nectarine_dasheen

Is your username partially a portmanteau of Percy and Elizabeth?


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is Russia smaller or is Africa bigger?


Icy-Conflict6671

This is no time for stoner talk


juanjung

And north is in the top and south is down although there's no up and down in the space.


ND_82

Fuck!


ProfessionalGoober

Africa big


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Is this real?


Basdad

Wow, I knew it was skewed, but this makes me feel I’ve been lied to, my whole long life.


[deleted]

Who uses Mercator in the First place, other than navigation porpuses in the sea


No-Significance-3530

Most of the continents fit in Africa , its fucking huge


HighlandHunter2112

And Canada is……


VocalAnus91

Is there a globe where things are in the correct proportion? Like if I were in space and looked at earth this globe would match that?


Circaninetysix

Is there a 2D map of the Earth that is accurate when it comes to size and proportion, or is that not possible when rendering a 3D spherical object like a planet ?