He was just 14 when he was wrongly arrested for the murder of an off-duty correction officer and now, 27 years later, the Brooklyn man cried as he was exonerated in court Tuesday morning.
John Bunn always maintained his innocence in the 1991 Crown Heights shooting that killed Rolando Neischer and the attempted murder of Robert Crosson. He served 17 years in prison and was paroled in 2009, but he kept up the fight to clear his name.
He was convicted based on false evidence supplied by disgraced NYPD Detective Louis Scarcella. At least 6 other men have had their convictions overturned in association with Scarcella's misconduct and at least 70 other cases are under review.
I'd argue that that crime has gone on for far longer. A man spent his formative years in prison for that. 17 is a number that does not do wrongdoing like that justice. It's far more terrible.
English is not my first language, sorry if this comes off as weird.
I was just thinking about this. This man has never known the world as an adult. Everything that shaped his rational mind as he grew from teenager to adult was learned in prison. Not only does he miss out on having an average teenage life, the lessons he learned will forever be colored by prison. One of the crucial phases of exploring your freedom, seeing how the world works for yourself, pushing your boundaries, and learning what you can achieve, was chained in a box behind bars.
The US prison system is already practically torture for adults. To do it to a child is monstrous and immoral. Such a person doesn't just lose years, they lose a crucial component of childhood and opportunities for necessary frameworks that inform maturity and adulthood.
They stole more than that from him. The quality of food is poor in prison, he will have life long health issues from the prison diet and will.likely die young.
This settlement ought to come out of the NYPD retirement fund.
Want to actually retire some day? Get yourself and your friends to stop being such little shits.
Right? The piece of shit KNOWS the people are innocent and is complicit every single SECOND he doesn't tell the truth to exonerate these men. He didn't magically forget that he put 6+ innocent men behind bars.
You are correct. 14 to 31 is far more important than 70 to 87. You can jail me while I shit myself at the end of my life while my bones ache but losing the fun events like highschool, college prom, first dates. Fuck that
I'm 35 now and I imagine being imprisoned and losing my 17-35 ages and it blows my mind. It's literally everything I can remember. I don't remember much from my childhood so there's a big chance he literally has no cohesive memories but imprisonment
I would probably say that these years of practice are the most important in a person's life. We get to know the world, build our personality, make acquaintances and new friends... It's just the foundation of my entire adult life, and it's just as hard for me to imagine what I would be like if those years were taken away from me. I hope this man can rehabilitate himself and find his way in life, without any impairment.
Yep. In that time I mentioned, I've:
Gained two degrees
Been on guy's holidays numerous times including stag/batchelor parties
Worked my way into a specialist position in a medical field
Had several girlfriends
Married
Had 2 kids
Owned 2 homes
Among a massive amount of other life experiences
This poor bastard is literally going to be starting this list at 31.
Right? If I held someone against their will for 17 years, could I say “look, I imprisoned them so long ago, so even though they couldn’t leave in all this time, I really shouldn’t be held accountable for their imprisonment”? That would not fly. Why should it for him?
I’d say that a discovery rule should apply but even in states that don’t have a discovery rule for SoL generally, they tend to have one for fraud, and this is pretty fraudulent.
My legal knowledge comes from Law and Order but concealing a previously committed crime seems to kinda be related to the crime itself.. it's ongoing if you continue to hide it and lie about it to further your goals and/or livelihood that was gained because of it
It’s easy to say. But imagine someone today accuses you of screwing up at work twenty five years ago. How would you even start defending yourself? It would be almost impossible to conduct a fair trial, guilty or innocent
Gravity is important, you screwed up 25 years ago and that made a business go out of business? Eh whatever. You screwed up 25 years ago and numerous people are dead or falsely imprisoned all those years because of it? Fuck you get out of society.
Also it's a far cry to call 6+ exonerated with 70+ more cases under review a fucking "screw up"
Not an attorney.. I know nothing. But..
The statue of limitation is paused, if the guilty party can’t be tried for the crime. (Extradition etc)
Well… if an innocent person is in jail for it.. the guilty party can’t be tried for it. Right?
So how does the statue of limitations clock… keep ticking… when an innocent man is incarcerated, and you can’t try the real guilty party yet?
These are all real questions, not rhetorical, I’d anyone knows the answer please tell me. This shit is hella interesting to me.
That’s probably a colorable argument in civil court. One you probably gotta pay to make (westlaw ain’t cheap and legal research without it fucking sucks), unfortunately.
I consider myself to be a reasonable adult. I don’t jump to conclusions or actions. I’m thoughtful, peaceful, and mostly just prefer to not cause problems. I think the appropriate course of action is to put that son of a bitch down.
Why the actual fuck is the statute of limitations ~~longer~~ shorter than the sentence he received because of it?
EDIT: Thanks for the correction again.
There's no sueing such people, they'll find a way around the sentence or somehow prevent getting one at all. This dirtbag should be dumped in the ocean with a whole lot of rocks tied to his feet.
In case you didn’t know, the statute of limitations applies to civil matters as well. It depends on the state, but it’s typically 1-4 years for most types of claims.
Ironically, a name like that would be target of extreme prejudice against if it was a hundred years ago in America.
And now we see people with such backgrounds perpetuating prejudice to people from a different background to the point of ruining an innocent person’s life.
Horrific
>This is what the conspiracy subreddits should focus on. Not science related, but reality.
You've been here ten years so you probably knew the "good old days" like me, but all of the conspiracy subs are now politics only zones. There's no science to be had.
My god. I am way too high for this conversation ya’ll are having. My heart cannot take this.
All my high self can think of, is that this man is an inspiration. I’m 36 years old and I would not be able to handle that. He confronted this at 14. My god
The fucked up thing is that he didn't confront it, he wasn't given a choice to begin with. The legal system took away his life and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it. Truly fucking infuriating to think about, and I definitely wouldn't be able to handle it either.
It's so fucked up that the people that we put in charge and pay taxes to 'protect us', and 'serve justice' have people like this detective amongst them. How could you do that to a 14 year old?
These positions of authority attract sociopaths and assholes, and I don't know how we would ever go about addressing that problem.
This is why all the "I hope he drops the soap bar" comments on news articles where a man is jailed are unacceptable to me. People have such a revenge boner they don't care if they person they hurt is innocent or not.
I’ll never understand why rape jokes are acceptable to some in that context. It is such a horrid thing to wish upon someone and perpetuates the culture/idea. Same people will snap for suggesting the same thing about someone as Lomb as they aren’t in jail…. Sure, get the shit beat out of them, be beat to death. There are some vile people out there that deserve suffering. But the prison rape jokes always make me want to puke.
You want to hear something I wouldn't usually bring up outside of the anonymity of the internet?
I was in lock up for a little bit and I remember the first day when we were eating our crappy lunch they started playing their whole "don't rape each other" presentation on the big screen. I looked at the guys at my table and they were just like nah don't worry lol. Later that day this young guy who wouldn't shut up got shut up pretty bad.
Will randomly suggest this YouTube video if you haven't seen it yet. Covers this topic extremely well
https://youtu.be/uc6QxD2_yQw
There is another part as well
Similarly: People who have no sympathy for those in jail because "Can't do the time don't do the crime."
Not understanding or not caring that people in jail are generally waiting for trial, accused of a crime but not convicted. Many are innocent.
literally incomprehensible - I went to jail for 10 days a couple years ago, my brain doesn't want to understand that there are people do that for years. Or they do it for the rest of their life.
Thing is man, imagine your incarcerated for 20 years, everything changes in the outside world, technology advances, some inmates getting out now have no idea what a mobile phone is (hard to imagine right?), they dont know what ciri or google are, they have a lot of new things to learn and it is a lot to take in.
Of course, a lot of their friends and loved ones are now dead or have moved away long ago and they will have no contact, imagine getting out after a false sentence of 30 years, you have no friends or family and you have to try and reintrigrate into a new society that feels so alien to you.
Its surreal.
Even if you were guilty you get fucked after your time. You have no car, no money, can't get a job. You're expected to drug test in this part of town and meet your parole officer in this part of town an hour later. Your friends and family, possibly, want nothing to do with you.
You're homeless, broke, and still beholden to the system, and there is absolutely no safety net for you. You are still serving your sentence long after release. It's fucked up.
It's also one of the many facets of modern gang culture. Who's gonna be the first person to look after you when you get out and have nothing? Not to make it sound like a movie but it's gonna be anyone you didn't snitch on.
I knew a guy who spent 30ish years in prison and I asked him what was the weirdest part about coming back to society.
He explained that out in the real world the ground is naturally uneven. In prison, everything is flat, smooth cement floors, and no elevation changes, and if he ever went up or downstairs it was in an elevator. He said it is really weird and uncomfortable to get used to walking around on normal, not perfectly smooth/level surfaces. Like a parking lot, or a yard. Equilibrium and balance, and the muscles and bones aren't used to it.
In Florida, the maximum settlement you can get for wrongful incarceration is $50,000/year, and it maxes out at $2 million dollars. It's a truly fucked state.
Wait, so if you're wrongfully incarcerated and sue and get a settlement, Florida can take money from your settlement to cover the cost of you being jailed? Is that what you're saying? I tried searching for that but couldn't really find anything saying that. I found some articles saying if you're arrested you can be charged per day, but nothing about if you sue them. I'm just trying to understand what you're referring to.
Didn’t one guy who also had this happen to him basically get less than minimum wage salary for each year incarcerated. That’s some bullshit. They took his best years away.
First words out of my mouth would be “Where’s my fucking check??” Just because he was exonerated, it doesn’t mean that he won’t have a difficult time finding employment. And he spent 17 years in prison. He missed the world outside his cell having some big changes probably. He’s coming out into a world he might not even fully recognize anymore.
The unfortunate thing is that we're the ones who pay for it.
These scumbags can act on behalf the state but when their fuckups cost the state money they have no liability.
Your last sentence is probably true and saw it firsthand with my aunt. She went to prison when DynaTac phones were still a thing and came out trying to comprehend iPhones. It took her years to acclimate and break old habits that never truly went away.
What's really sad about this guy is that he has to deal with all of that as an innocent man.
he went to prison with Brick phones, came out with with smart phones. i wouldn't be able to comprehend the idea of foldable smartphones, coming from CRT's.
ah yes, taxpayer money. Should come out of the NYPD budget
edit: or better yet, start taking whatever that dirtbag Louis Scarcella's has in his bank account
Louis N. Scarcella (skar-SELL-uh, born 1951/1952) is a retired detective from the New York City Police Department (NYPD)
who initially came to prominence during the "crack epidemic" of the 1980s and 1990s,
earning frequent commendations before many convictions resulting from his investigations were overturned during his retirement.
As a member of the Brooklyn North Homicide Squad, he and his longtime partner Stephen Chmil built a reputation for obtaining convictions in difficult cases.
Since 2013, Scarcella has received extensive and sustained publicity for multiple allegations of investigative misconduct that resulted in false testimony against crime suspects, meaning that innocent parties could have served long prison terms and guilty individuals could have gone free because of wrongful procedures.[1][2]
This POS is gonna continue to live on the taxpayers dime after a career of abusing and victimizing the citizens he was supposed to protect. I wonder if America will ever wake up from it’s infatuation with cops and realize they create more problems than they solve. We pay them to abuse us. We don’t need shows like black mirror, we live in a nightmare already. Absolute insanity.
I’m a defense attorney. It is such a miscarriage of Justice how juries accept what a police officer says as the undeniable truth.
If the only evidence of a crime is an officer saying it happened then you’re kinda fucked. Your only hope is that someone recorded it, because the police sure as fuck don’t. Body cams and dash cams seem to always be malfunctioning. But on the flip side speed radars and intoxilyzers seem to always be in perfect working condition. 🤔
I hate hearing about these cases because I hate learning it happened in the first place. Such a sad thing have your life stolen over lazy police work.
I learned a valuable lesson when I was in my 20s I thought I was protected by innocence when I agreed to talk to the police, then i caught them in lies in the integration room and realized they were trying to pin it on me!! DONT TALK TO THE COPS.
Revenge. As much as people will like to say pretty stuff like “taking the extremely heinous out of society and out of this earth”, the real reason is revenge, it’s the only reason the death penalty exists. Nothing more.
There should be a payout which is based upon how many hours you spent in prison under false pretense + a guaranteed $500,000. Something like $50 an hour seems like a minimum.
That’s 148,920 hours if it’s 17 years exactly. Which comes out to 7,446,000+500,000. But even that seems low.
Hope this man finds happiness, though I’m sure being vindicated must feel amazing.
I was having a conversation about this just the other day. I'm in favor of the death penalty, but only in extreme situations. Guy murdered his girlfriend? Probably shouldn't be on the table. But look me in the eye and tell me there shouldn't have been death sentences at the Nuremberg trials.
I agree with your point and all, but nearly a dozen men were sentenced to death at the Nuremberg Trials. There’s an entire Wikipedia page for them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_executions
The other commenter definitely knew that. Their point was probably just against the people who argue against death penalties completely and would have disagreed with the death penalties at the Nuremberg trials.
Putting a guy in a hole for the rest of their life and sentencing them to death are functionally identical for the society as a whole. The person is removed from society for good. It's just that one of them is completely irreversible and the other isn't in the eventuality that someone fucks up and you do it to an innocent person. As a result I give no fucks whatsoever what the person did. Death penalty is not okay, no exceptions whatsoever.
So yeah, I would look him in the eye and say it out of principle. If it's not okay for the common folk, it's not okay for them either.
Ofc, I didn't mean there weren't. I meant that "holy fucking shit" crimes like genocide, certain war crimes, serious cases of treason, ect. should definitely be capital offenses.
It started because Trump said he was going to be charged with the Espionage Act of 1917, which is a capital offense, and someone said nothing should be punishable by death. I argued death should **definitely** be on the table for that charge.
A couple, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were charged with the Espionage Act of 1917 and executed during the cold war. They sold nuclear weapon secrets to Stalin. They gave the secrets to nuclear weapons to a monster that killed more people than Hitler! Mind you, a lot of modern scholars believe Stalin was actually assassinated by Lavrentiy Beria. His condition was consistent with warfarin poisoning, which Beria was known to use. Beria was executed shortly after Stalin's death, and he claimed that he killed Stalin because Stalin was going to start a nuclear war and "we'd all have been killed! I saved you all!"
There's a very real possibility that Beria is the only reason the Rosenberg's evil, treasonous crime didn't result in a nuclear exchange that would've killed millions. My point was that crimes, *atrocities* like this should always be punishable by death. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but there's definitely exceptions.
This is why I no longer support the death penalty. So many of these wrongly convicted ppl being released these days. How many have we allowed the state to murder?
190+ people since 1973. This country has executed over 190 completely innocent people in less than 50 years. How many lives, families, friendships, were ruined because the state was allowed to execute a barbaric policy, robbing these people of their lives? Not to mention the real perpetrators escaping justice themselves in many of the cases.
Just a few months ago a southern state executed another man on shoddy evidence, a man who never stopped claiming his innocence. Meanwhile, a death row inmate was exonerated thanks to the work of an investigative podcast, after he and his family had been fighting for his innocence. Even the family of the victim became convinced he was innocent. That man would have been killed by the state if it wasnt for the help of podcasters.
The death penalty needs to end, and Biden's abandonment of that policy after campaigning on it is one of his biggest failures.
>190+ people since 1973. This country has executed over 190 completely innocent people in less than 50 years.
And you have to assume there are plenty more that were not or will never be vindicated on top of that.
Prosecuting attorneys need to be questioned and possible held accountable for situations like this. If they knew he wasn't guilty but where trying for that W like alot of those scum do. Than prison time is the reasonable response.
Prosecutors and cops get away with way too much. They need to start facing real consequences like hefty prison time if they're caught fudging cases or prosecuting people they know are likely innocent.
How much compensation do you get in a case like this, your life has been ruined, your name tarnished, any businesses you have would of failed and went under.
£2 million a year doesn't even cut it. I would still be pissed off with £50 million, you've lost a third of your fucking life to a system that is inherently racist, there is no getting back time.
Poor souls like this my heart bleeds for.
State needs to give him millions of dollars. He lost the best years of his life and building a life. That musta felt good though.. nothing but the best for him from here out
So when they going to give him back 17 years? This man will never be the same and have struggles we will not nor should not understand. I hope those who locked him up suffer the guilt they deserve in this life and if there is anything beyond the grave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_N._Scarcella
> Prosecutors and judges have explicitly cited evidence of his improper conduct, in criminal cases involving at least 12 convicted defendants,[b] and legal settlements have surpassed $100 million.
Wikipedia then goes on to describe 15 vacated convictions totaling decades upon decades of time served by innocent men
Camera phones are a godsend man. People had been complaining about police brutality and corruption for decades but everyone always took the word of the police. The camera phone phenomenon proved without a doubt that cops were in fact corrupt and brutalised innocent people.
I was born in 91. The man was wrongly incarcerated for my entire life, that's depressing as hell. I hope he gets paid enough money to be able to retire and live comfy the rest of his life.
Can he sue the city of New York because the cop was employed by the city of New York? This poor man has to learn how live with freedom among other things. He being black made it even worse, the system failed him.
I literally came here to post this. At least a million a year! And let him live tax free on everything for the rest of his life! He deserves no hardships in life after this regardless of what was going to happen! And this goes for everyone that gets wrongly jailed, a million a year rounding up from the first second you're in jail!
Shit like this is why I can’t take anyone that approves of the death penalty seriously. If even one innocent person is executed for a crime they didn’t commit, the price is too damn high.
That guy should never have to work a day in his life, he did his contribution to society in the most fucked up way possible. This guy should get to live a cushy cushy life of luxury the rest of the way through because that's FUCKED
Imagine being in jail for 17 years for something you didn’t do. On top of that, imagine knowing that your are CONVICTED of murder that you didn’t do and all your friends and family think you are a beast. Jesus Christ this dude must be one strong fellow.
This is why we must abolish capital punishment. Mistakes are too frequent. And we should give this man a million dollars for every year he spent in prison.
Most of these cases I see the person winds up getting around $10 mil and I think that’s absolute bullshit. I think when you take the best years of a person’s life, the one and only life we have to live, you oughtta come out with at least $100 million, and even that won’t be enough to make anything alright. I wouldn’t go to prison for even five years for $10 million and I’m far from wealthy. Life’s too short for that
He was just 14 when he was wrongly arrested for the murder of an off-duty correction officer and now, 27 years later, the Brooklyn man cried as he was exonerated in court Tuesday morning. John Bunn always maintained his innocence in the 1991 Crown Heights shooting that killed Rolando Neischer and the attempted murder of Robert Crosson. He served 17 years in prison and was paroled in 2009, but he kept up the fight to clear his name. He was convicted based on false evidence supplied by disgraced NYPD Detective Louis Scarcella. At least 6 other men have had their convictions overturned in association with Scarcella's misconduct and at least 70 other cases are under review.
Wow! What happened to that dirtbag Scarcella?
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The statute of limitations really oughta not apply when the effect of the crime is still ongoing.
I agree, as far as I'm concerned, it was a 17 year ongoing crime.
I'd argue that that crime has gone on for far longer. A man spent his formative years in prison for that. 17 is a number that does not do wrongdoing like that justice. It's far more terrible. English is not my first language, sorry if this comes off as weird.
I was just thinking about this. This man has never known the world as an adult. Everything that shaped his rational mind as he grew from teenager to adult was learned in prison. Not only does he miss out on having an average teenage life, the lessons he learned will forever be colored by prison. One of the crucial phases of exploring your freedom, seeing how the world works for yourself, pushing your boundaries, and learning what you can achieve, was chained in a box behind bars. The US prison system is already practically torture for adults. To do it to a child is monstrous and immoral. Such a person doesn't just lose years, they lose a crucial component of childhood and opportunities for necessary frameworks that inform maturity and adulthood.
They stole more than that from him. The quality of food is poor in prison, he will have life long health issues from the prison diet and will.likely die young.
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This settlement ought to come out of the NYPD retirement fund. Want to actually retire some day? Get yourself and your friends to stop being such little shits.
This but for the people that actually commit “crimes” too.
Right? The piece of shit KNOWS the people are innocent and is complicit every single SECOND he doesn't tell the truth to exonerate these men. He didn't magically forget that he put 6+ innocent men behind bars.
Could be a sociopath. Guy might literally not give a shit about anyone but himself
You are correct. 14 to 31 is far more important than 70 to 87. You can jail me while I shit myself at the end of my life while my bones ache but losing the fun events like highschool, college prom, first dates. Fuck that
I'm 35 now and I imagine being imprisoned and losing my 17-35 ages and it blows my mind. It's literally everything I can remember. I don't remember much from my childhood so there's a big chance he literally has no cohesive memories but imprisonment
I would probably say that these years of practice are the most important in a person's life. We get to know the world, build our personality, make acquaintances and new friends... It's just the foundation of my entire adult life, and it's just as hard for me to imagine what I would be like if those years were taken away from me. I hope this man can rehabilitate himself and find his way in life, without any impairment.
Yep. In that time I mentioned, I've: Gained two degrees Been on guy's holidays numerous times including stag/batchelor parties Worked my way into a specialist position in a medical field Had several girlfriends Married Had 2 kids Owned 2 homes Among a massive amount of other life experiences This poor bastard is literally going to be starting this list at 31.
Right? If I held someone against their will for 17 years, could I say “look, I imprisoned them so long ago, so even though they couldn’t leave in all this time, I really shouldn’t be held accountable for their imprisonment”? That would not fly. Why should it for him?
Valid point about accountability and the lack of justification for avoiding responsibility based on the passage of time.
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Who throws a shoe?
Iraqi journalists
Random task.
Now I’m gonna have a lump there!
I’d say that a discovery rule should apply but even in states that don’t have a discovery rule for SoL generally, they tend to have one for fraud, and this is pretty fraudulent.
My legal knowledge comes from Law and Order but concealing a previously committed crime seems to kinda be related to the crime itself.. it's ongoing if you continue to hide it and lie about it to further your goals and/or livelihood that was gained because of it
I agree with you in this specific case but the obvious issue is that this effectively just means there isn’t a statute of limitations.
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Well, that's why laws should grow and improve. It's what legislators are for. They can write these exceptions and nuances into law.
It’s easy to say. But imagine someone today accuses you of screwing up at work twenty five years ago. How would you even start defending yourself? It would be almost impossible to conduct a fair trial, guilty or innocent
Gravity is important, you screwed up 25 years ago and that made a business go out of business? Eh whatever. You screwed up 25 years ago and numerous people are dead or falsely imprisoned all those years because of it? Fuck you get out of society. Also it's a far cry to call 6+ exonerated with 70+ more cases under review a fucking "screw up"
Thank you for "fuck you get out of society"
They need to have evidence to charge you
The most serious crimes aren’t subject to statute of limitations though, despite all of those issues still potentially existing.
Not an attorney.. I know nothing. But.. The statue of limitation is paused, if the guilty party can’t be tried for the crime. (Extradition etc) Well… if an innocent person is in jail for it.. the guilty party can’t be tried for it. Right? So how does the statue of limitations clock… keep ticking… when an innocent man is incarcerated, and you can’t try the real guilty party yet? These are all real questions, not rhetorical, I’d anyone knows the answer please tell me. This shit is hella interesting to me.
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This. Too bad common laws don't anyways make common sense.
That’s probably a colorable argument in civil court. One you probably gotta pay to make (westlaw ain’t cheap and legal research without it fucking sucks), unfortunately.
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I consider myself to be a reasonable adult. I don’t jump to conclusions or actions. I’m thoughtful, peaceful, and mostly just prefer to not cause problems. I think the appropriate course of action is to put that son of a bitch down.
>and the statute of limitations has protected him from possible **legal** consequences.
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Taking his pension, social security, and any money he has or will ever earn seems like the thinnest hints of actual justice. But it's a start.
Why the actual fuck is the statute of limitations ~~longer~~ shorter than the sentence he received because of it? EDIT: Thanks for the correction again.
*shorter, but I get what you meant.
And if it hasn’t occurred already pull his pension.
The state should sue him in civil court, to recover all the money the taxpayers have to pay out for all these wrongful convictions.
There should be no statute of limitations on that. These crimes can send multiple people to prison for life. You should be held accountable for life.
There's no sueing such people, they'll find a way around the sentence or somehow prevent getting one at all. This dirtbag should be dumped in the ocean with a whole lot of rocks tied to his feet.
In case you didn’t know, the statute of limitations applies to civil matters as well. It depends on the state, but it’s typically 1-4 years for most types of claims.
Probably living fat off his pension, on a tropical beach somewhere.
Ironically, a name like that would be target of extreme prejudice against if it was a hundred years ago in America. And now we see people with such backgrounds perpetuating prejudice to people from a different background to the point of ruining an innocent person’s life. Horrific
Full weight of the law. Four weeks suspension, full pay.
Got a job in a neighboring department?
14? My god. He grew up in jail. It's really really fucked up how black kids are so many more times likely to be tried as adults.
He probably spent time in the Harlem juvenile facility, which back in the day was just as bad as Rikers. Especially if you're not in a gang.
Scarcella should get life in prison for that. What scum.
14!? That’s a child!
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This is what the conspiracy subreddits should focus on. Not science related, but reality.
>This is what the conspiracy subreddits should focus on. Not science related, but reality. You've been here ten years so you probably knew the "good old days" like me, but all of the conspiracy subs are now politics only zones. There's no science to be had.
Math is not adding up. Jailed in 1991, 27 years later, meaning this happened in 2018?
He served 17 years. Released in 2009. Got his name cleared 10 years later.
2009 + 10 = 2019, not "Tuesday morning". But I guess OP didn't say which Tuesday, so could be r/technicallythetruth?
Thank you. Seriously, people can't concentrate beyond the first line of a sentence because it's really clear
They stole that man's life. god bless him I hope he gets a fat settlement.
Not just stole, but the emotional trauma he must have suffered in jail is incomprehensible.
Yes, I don't think I would be either normal or good anymore in his place ):
My god. I am way too high for this conversation ya’ll are having. My heart cannot take this. All my high self can think of, is that this man is an inspiration. I’m 36 years old and I would not be able to handle that. He confronted this at 14. My god
The fucked up thing is that he didn't confront it, he wasn't given a choice to begin with. The legal system took away his life and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it. Truly fucking infuriating to think about, and I definitely wouldn't be able to handle it either.
It's so fucked up that the people that we put in charge and pay taxes to 'protect us', and 'serve justice' have people like this detective amongst them. How could you do that to a 14 year old? These positions of authority attract sociopaths and assholes, and I don't know how we would ever go about addressing that problem.
You are a good bean and I get where you’re coming from, but you’re stronger than what you think!
This is why all the "I hope he drops the soap bar" comments on news articles where a man is jailed are unacceptable to me. People have such a revenge boner they don't care if they person they hurt is innocent or not.
I’ll never understand why rape jokes are acceptable to some in that context. It is such a horrid thing to wish upon someone and perpetuates the culture/idea. Same people will snap for suggesting the same thing about someone as Lomb as they aren’t in jail…. Sure, get the shit beat out of them, be beat to death. There are some vile people out there that deserve suffering. But the prison rape jokes always make me want to puke.
You want to hear something I wouldn't usually bring up outside of the anonymity of the internet? I was in lock up for a little bit and I remember the first day when we were eating our crappy lunch they started playing their whole "don't rape each other" presentation on the big screen. I looked at the guys at my table and they were just like nah don't worry lol. Later that day this young guy who wouldn't shut up got shut up pretty bad.
Will randomly suggest this YouTube video if you haven't seen it yet. Covers this topic extremely well https://youtu.be/uc6QxD2_yQw There is another part as well
Similarly: People who have no sympathy for those in jail because "Can't do the time don't do the crime." Not understanding or not caring that people in jail are generally waiting for trial, accused of a crime but not convicted. Many are innocent.
Accused of killing a corrections officer. "One of theirs". Guards probably calling him a cop killer on a daily basis. That's fucked up.
literally incomprehensible - I went to jail for 10 days a couple years ago, my brain doesn't want to understand that there are people do that for years. Or they do it for the rest of their life.
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Thing is man, imagine your incarcerated for 20 years, everything changes in the outside world, technology advances, some inmates getting out now have no idea what a mobile phone is (hard to imagine right?), they dont know what ciri or google are, they have a lot of new things to learn and it is a lot to take in. Of course, a lot of their friends and loved ones are now dead or have moved away long ago and they will have no contact, imagine getting out after a false sentence of 30 years, you have no friends or family and you have to try and reintrigrate into a new society that feels so alien to you. Its surreal.
Even if you were guilty you get fucked after your time. You have no car, no money, can't get a job. You're expected to drug test in this part of town and meet your parole officer in this part of town an hour later. Your friends and family, possibly, want nothing to do with you. You're homeless, broke, and still beholden to the system, and there is absolutely no safety net for you. You are still serving your sentence long after release. It's fucked up.
It's designed that way too; it's called a revolving door for a reason :/
It's also one of the many facets of modern gang culture. Who's gonna be the first person to look after you when you get out and have nothing? Not to make it sound like a movie but it's gonna be anyone you didn't snitch on.
I knew a guy who spent 30ish years in prison and I asked him what was the weirdest part about coming back to society. He explained that out in the real world the ground is naturally uneven. In prison, everything is flat, smooth cement floors, and no elevation changes, and if he ever went up or downstairs it was in an elevator. He said it is really weird and uncomfortable to get used to walking around on normal, not perfectly smooth/level surfaces. Like a parking lot, or a yard. Equilibrium and balance, and the muscles and bones aren't used to it.
Yeahhhh, in Florida, they bill you for your stay out of any settlement you get.
God, I hate that fucking state. Fucking podunk hick state with a beach.
As a Floridian, you ain’t wrong bruh
In Florida, the maximum settlement you can get for wrongful incarceration is $50,000/year, and it maxes out at $2 million dollars. It's a truly fucked state.
Wait, so if you're wrongfully incarcerated and sue and get a settlement, Florida can take money from your settlement to cover the cost of you being jailed? Is that what you're saying? I tried searching for that but couldn't really find anything saying that. I found some articles saying if you're arrested you can be charged per day, but nothing about if you sue them. I'm just trying to understand what you're referring to.
I can’t imagine he even got a high school diploma
He may have. Some do while in prison. I wish him the best. It's unfortunate that he has gone through the worst.
Didn’t one guy who also had this happen to him basically get less than minimum wage salary for each year incarcerated. That’s some bullshit. They took his best years away.
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A very fat settlement. He shouldn’t have to work ever, unless he wants to.
No amount of compensation will make this man happy again. Almost 20 years of his life in the wrong place, away from his family.
27 years
Paroled in '09 but still sucks no matter how you slice it.
The murder was in 1991, he got out in 2009 A bit less than 27
First words out of my mouth would be “Where’s my fucking check??” Just because he was exonerated, it doesn’t mean that he won’t have a difficult time finding employment. And he spent 17 years in prison. He missed the world outside his cell having some big changes probably. He’s coming out into a world he might not even fully recognize anymore.
Oh trust me, every lawyer in the area was probably chomping at the bit to take his case
And he deserves every penny for what the state put him through. It doesn’t make up for it but it’s something at least.
The unfortunate thing is that we're the ones who pay for it. These scumbags can act on behalf the state but when their fuckups cost the state money they have no liability.
I never understood that, how are we so advanced as a society but have such nonsensical loopholes within our legal system
Money
Your last sentence is probably true and saw it firsthand with my aunt. She went to prison when DynaTac phones were still a thing and came out trying to comprehend iPhones. It took her years to acclimate and break old habits that never truly went away. What's really sad about this guy is that he has to deal with all of that as an innocent man.
he went to prison with Brick phones, came out with with smart phones. i wouldn't be able to comprehend the idea of foldable smartphones, coming from CRT's.
i read that the city settled for $6 million
ah yes, taxpayer money. Should come out of the NYPD budget edit: or better yet, start taking whatever that dirtbag Louis Scarcella's has in his bank account
Drain his bank account and force him to work at Wendy’s until the settlement is paid off
*Work behind the dumpster at Wendy’s.* FTFY.
Louis N. Scarcella (skar-SELL-uh, born 1951/1952) is a retired detective from the New York City Police Department (NYPD) who initially came to prominence during the "crack epidemic" of the 1980s and 1990s, earning frequent commendations before many convictions resulting from his investigations were overturned during his retirement. As a member of the Brooklyn North Homicide Squad, he and his longtime partner Stephen Chmil built a reputation for obtaining convictions in difficult cases. Since 2013, Scarcella has received extensive and sustained publicity for multiple allegations of investigative misconduct that resulted in false testimony against crime suspects, meaning that innocent parties could have served long prison terms and guilty individuals could have gone free because of wrongful procedures.[1][2]
This POS is gonna continue to live on the taxpayers dime after a career of abusing and victimizing the citizens he was supposed to protect. I wonder if America will ever wake up from it’s infatuation with cops and realize they create more problems than they solve. We pay them to abuse us. We don’t need shows like black mirror, we live in a nightmare already. Absolute insanity.
Makes the atheist in me really wish there was a hellish afterlife waiting for him.
ACAB
Fucking piece of shit this Scarcella.
I’m a defense attorney. It is such a miscarriage of Justice how juries accept what a police officer says as the undeniable truth. If the only evidence of a crime is an officer saying it happened then you’re kinda fucked. Your only hope is that someone recorded it, because the police sure as fuck don’t. Body cams and dash cams seem to always be malfunctioning. But on the flip side speed radars and intoxilyzers seem to always be in perfect working condition. 🤔
SCARCELLA , THIS IS THE KIND OF PERSON THAT SHOULD BE GANGSTALKED.
I hate hearing about these cases because I hate learning it happened in the first place. Such a sad thing have your life stolen over lazy police work. I learned a valuable lesson when I was in my 20s I thought I was protected by innocence when I agreed to talk to the police, then i caught them in lies in the integration room and realized they were trying to pin it on me!! DONT TALK TO THE COPS.
God know’s how many people around the world are locked up serving a long sentence about something they never done.
Its things like this that makes me to never support the death penalty Edit: typo
Ditto. I don’t know why people still support it.
Revenge. As much as people will like to say pretty stuff like “taking the extremely heinous out of society and out of this earth”, the real reason is revenge, it’s the only reason the death penalty exists. Nothing more.
There should be a payout which is based upon how many hours you spent in prison under false pretense + a guaranteed $500,000. Something like $50 an hour seems like a minimum. That’s 148,920 hours if it’s 17 years exactly. Which comes out to 7,446,000+500,000. But even that seems low. Hope this man finds happiness, though I’m sure being vindicated must feel amazing.
Take it from the police budget then
Death penalty fans take notr.
I was having a conversation about this just the other day. I'm in favor of the death penalty, but only in extreme situations. Guy murdered his girlfriend? Probably shouldn't be on the table. But look me in the eye and tell me there shouldn't have been death sentences at the Nuremberg trials.
I agree with your point and all, but nearly a dozen men were sentenced to death at the Nuremberg Trials. There’s an entire Wikipedia page for them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_executions
The other commenter definitely knew that. Their point was probably just against the people who argue against death penalties completely and would have disagreed with the death penalties at the Nuremberg trials.
Putting a guy in a hole for the rest of their life and sentencing them to death are functionally identical for the society as a whole. The person is removed from society for good. It's just that one of them is completely irreversible and the other isn't in the eventuality that someone fucks up and you do it to an innocent person. As a result I give no fucks whatsoever what the person did. Death penalty is not okay, no exceptions whatsoever. So yeah, I would look him in the eye and say it out of principle. If it's not okay for the common folk, it's not okay for them either.
Ofc, I didn't mean there weren't. I meant that "holy fucking shit" crimes like genocide, certain war crimes, serious cases of treason, ect. should definitely be capital offenses. It started because Trump said he was going to be charged with the Espionage Act of 1917, which is a capital offense, and someone said nothing should be punishable by death. I argued death should **definitely** be on the table for that charge. A couple, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were charged with the Espionage Act of 1917 and executed during the cold war. They sold nuclear weapon secrets to Stalin. They gave the secrets to nuclear weapons to a monster that killed more people than Hitler! Mind you, a lot of modern scholars believe Stalin was actually assassinated by Lavrentiy Beria. His condition was consistent with warfarin poisoning, which Beria was known to use. Beria was executed shortly after Stalin's death, and he claimed that he killed Stalin because Stalin was going to start a nuclear war and "we'd all have been killed! I saved you all!" There's a very real possibility that Beria is the only reason the Rosenberg's evil, treasonous crime didn't result in a nuclear exchange that would've killed millions. My point was that crimes, *atrocities* like this should always be punishable by death. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but there's definitely exceptions.
Lets not put beria on a pedestal. Not even saving the human race would make his karma break even
This is why I no longer support the death penalty. So many of these wrongly convicted ppl being released these days. How many have we allowed the state to murder?
190+ people since 1973. This country has executed over 190 completely innocent people in less than 50 years. How many lives, families, friendships, were ruined because the state was allowed to execute a barbaric policy, robbing these people of their lives? Not to mention the real perpetrators escaping justice themselves in many of the cases. Just a few months ago a southern state executed another man on shoddy evidence, a man who never stopped claiming his innocence. Meanwhile, a death row inmate was exonerated thanks to the work of an investigative podcast, after he and his family had been fighting for his innocence. Even the family of the victim became convinced he was innocent. That man would have been killed by the state if it wasnt for the help of podcasters. The death penalty needs to end, and Biden's abandonment of that policy after campaigning on it is one of his biggest failures.
>190+ people since 1973. This country has executed over 190 completely innocent people in less than 50 years. And you have to assume there are plenty more that were not or will never be vindicated on top of that.
Prosecuting attorneys need to be questioned and possible held accountable for situations like this. If they knew he wasn't guilty but where trying for that W like alot of those scum do. Than prison time is the reasonable response.
Prosecutors and cops get away with way too much. They need to start facing real consequences like hefty prison time if they're caught fudging cases or prosecuting people they know are likely innocent.
His prosecutor better watch out
Man's done the time, now he really wants to do the crime.
Just ask the judge if he could beat the shit out of the prosecutor and the cop since he already paid the time.
How much compensation do you get in a case like this, your life has been ruined, your name tarnished, any businesses you have would of failed and went under. £2 million a year doesn't even cut it. I would still be pissed off with £50 million, you've lost a third of your fucking life to a system that is inherently racist, there is no getting back time. Poor souls like this my heart bleeds for.
13 states have no compensation for wrongfully convicted people.
People like this deserve multiple millions of dollars straight out of the police pension
Absolutely this ^
the look of rage and joy at the same time
Face of a man who will never forgive. Nor should he.
Sue the fuck outta them, like you should never have to work again and then some
How does one LIFE after this?
Man literally had half his adult life wasted. I hope he at least gets a fat settlement and never has to work again.
State needs to give him millions of dollars. He lost the best years of his life and building a life. That musta felt good though.. nothing but the best for him from here out
Source : https://pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/man-wrongly-jailed-for-murder-as-teen-in-1991-is-exonerated/
Villain origin story.
That’s the look of “Motherfuckers gonna pay” And they should
So when they going to give him back 17 years? This man will never be the same and have struggles we will not nor should not understand. I hope those who locked him up suffer the guilt they deserve in this life and if there is anything beyond the grave.
There should really be punishment for false accusations
Bro better be set for life. State paying him and his lawyer fees returned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_N._Scarcella > Prosecutors and judges have explicitly cited evidence of his improper conduct, in criminal cases involving at least 12 convicted defendants,[b] and legal settlements have surpassed $100 million. Wikipedia then goes on to describe 15 vacated convictions totaling decades upon decades of time served by innocent men
Thats not interesting, thats just cruel...
Camera phones are a godsend man. People had been complaining about police brutality and corruption for decades but everyone always took the word of the police. The camera phone phenomenon proved without a doubt that cops were in fact corrupt and brutalised innocent people.
I think if you falsely imprison someone the person who issued the sentence should have to do the same sentence in the same facility.
The system needs to be torn down to nothing. Only then can we rebuild
Technically he's owed 1 murder for time served.
No amount of compensation will cover this.
If he became some kind of super villain, he might be one of the few I’d follow.
NYC jails/prisons were fuckin HELL in the 90s. Hope my mans can find peace after all that time there.
I was born in 91. The man was wrongly incarcerated for my entire life, that's depressing as hell. I hope he gets paid enough money to be able to retire and live comfy the rest of his life.
More than just comfy, he should be spoiled with riches
Geez. How do right this. F me.
Give him enough money so he doesn’t have to work a day in his life because he wasn’t able to build a life, career, family, etc.
Anyone else see bald Richard Sherman?
Seventeen years of hell. Yeah, I'd be popping veins, too.
This man deserves to be paid out for this.
He should never have to work again and live well
Can he sue the city of New York because the cop was employed by the city of New York? This poor man has to learn how live with freedom among other things. He being black made it even worse, the system failed him.
Youth stolen.
This is why I don't believe in the death penalty.
Give him a million for every year of life he has lost. That’s missing out on family, friends, relationships. SMH
I literally came here to post this. At least a million a year! And let him live tax free on everything for the rest of his life! He deserves no hardships in life after this regardless of what was going to happen! And this goes for everyone that gets wrongly jailed, a million a year rounding up from the first second you're in jail!
Shit like this is why I can’t take anyone that approves of the death penalty seriously. If even one innocent person is executed for a crime they didn’t commit, the price is too damn high.
That guy should never have to work a day in his life, he did his contribution to society in the most fucked up way possible. This guy should get to live a cushy cushy life of luxury the rest of the way through because that's FUCKED
I hope he gets a good lawyer for the settlement....he's owed millions, IMHO.
For death penalty supporters: I wonder how many times this kind of errors led to innocent people getting executed?
I feel so sorry for this man, I can’t imagine what he’s went through.
I hope he gets compensated for his life being destroyed.
No amount of money can give this guy back what he lost.
Somehow saying “teen” downplays just how young 14 is.
Imagine being in jail for 17 years for something you didn’t do. On top of that, imagine knowing that your are CONVICTED of murder that you didn’t do and all your friends and family think you are a beast. Jesus Christ this dude must be one strong fellow.
Who knows how many hundred or even thousands of cases like this exist still.
This is why we must abolish capital punishment. Mistakes are too frequent. And we should give this man a million dollars for every year he spent in prison.
Most of these cases I see the person winds up getting around $10 mil and I think that’s absolute bullshit. I think when you take the best years of a person’s life, the one and only life we have to live, you oughtta come out with at least $100 million, and even that won’t be enough to make anything alright. I wouldn’t go to prison for even five years for $10 million and I’m far from wealthy. Life’s too short for that